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 SteelCity1981
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Irregulator Ah yes the ol pluggin your ears syndrome again. Yep none of those places are left wing or heavily left wing. Riiight.. I mean it's not that hard to do a little bit of google searching to find out about these places themselves, but then again if it's not left its not right huh. lol

 DJoseph54
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Posted: 12/19/2011 9:46:31 AM

lying:

These aren't 'left wing blogs'.


Hint: Anything that has "University" is almost always left wing here and especially Stanford. As far as Forbes, it was a link to to liberal New Jersey university, that was itself misinformed about it's main question concerning Egypt.... Mubarak was not overthrown by "just" Egyptians and in fact, did not stand a remote chance of success without NATO, AFRICOM, and the initial push by same.

As far as the .pdf from kff.org, there is absolutely no mention of Fox.



 lyingcheat
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Posted: 12/19/2011 10:17:57 AM

As for forbs it was actually reporting the invalidness of these polls.

No it wasn't.
The clue is in the fact that they don't discuss the 'polls' at all other than referring to the fact, necessarily since their story is based on it, that Farleigh Dickinson University in New Jersey conducted a 'poll'.

These are the opening and closing sentences of the piece -

A poll by Farleigh Dickinson University in New Jersey showed that of all the news channels out there, Fox News viewers are the least informed.
/snip/
On international news, Fox viewers were by far the least likely to know that the Egyptian protests led to the resignation of Hosni Mubarek, followed by MSNBC in a distant second for least informed.


Here is the link to the actual results.
http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/knowless/


Soruce funding is the very reason behind the attack on fox news to begin with because they are right wing and all these funds are coming from gee lets see left wing org.
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Ah yes the ol pluggin your ears syndrome again. Yep none of those places are left wing or heavily left wing. Riiight. Of course keep defending your left wing side i don't expect anything diff.

One of the many details you overlook is that these surveys aren't opinion pieces, and they aren't authored by someone with an agenda. The results spring from the answers given by the respondents - who come from a variety of backgrounds, of various ages, split between the genders, and of differing political persuasion.

Which is presumably why you avoid mentioning the results of the various surveys referred to in this thread, but rather put all your energy into pretending, completely ludicrously, that Stanford University, the Kaiser Family Foundation, Ohio State University, Forbes, Fairleigh Dickinson University, NBC News, the Wall Street Journal, and the University of Maryland are all really fronts for George Soros.

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As far as the .pdf from kff.org, there is absolutely no mention of Fox.

Fail.
About halfway through the document, in the section titled 'High Scorers'. Note the chart, particularly the section labeled - 'Source Of Information'.
http://www.kff.org/healthreform/upload/8148.pdf
 DJoseph54
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Posted: 12/19/2011 10:24:02 AM
Match:
I think you overstate it, but not by much. "Liberal" is an ironic description.


Absolutely! .... but changing same for the self coined anointment by members of the middle to far left Democrat party appears to be a daunting task.

It is simply a well known fact by the informed, that all Socialists, Communists, Marxists (even the Green party) infiltrated the Democrat party as the path of least resistance and now vote Democrat.

Thus, has evolved an increasing number of swing voters that today, decide most national elections.

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Big:
Where oh where is that commie in the closet.

Interestingly enough, I've only read ALL 23 pages of this thread and never once read anyone state that FOX should be shuttered or muffled...the only thing I've read is that the mis-statements, un-truths, outright lies that FOX portrays as real, informative, and balanced news be exposed for what it really is...entertainment and not real news.


May I suggest that you read it all again... two or three more times.

Or, you could take your own poll just in these forums and how many would you conclude would vote to have Fox removed from existence? And how many of those yes votes would you conclude are on the left?

Note: Canada already censors Fox by disallowing public broadcast, while their 3rd largest cable network to the masses refuses to carry Fox.


But, like the commie in the closet, the paraniod right-nut-wingers wishes to portray anyone who doesn't think FOX is a "real" news station...one that follows true journalistic ethics...is trying to shut the dayum thing down....these people are happy to be part of the mis-informed masses...fortunately, here in America, one has the right to be lied to, mis-represented, and decieved....all in the name of "balanced" "news"


"Commie in the closet" is absolute BS, as they are absolutely "out and about" as the voice in the far left of the Democrat party. The working man, which founded the strength of the Democrat party in the early 1900's and for the next 70 years or so, is now forced to be a swing voter for the lesser of two evils and now, can be found quite often participating with the Tea Party as an alternative to the two party lock.

As far as the misinformed, those that are uneducated consumers of perpetual Welfare all vote Democrat. Hell, do you think 97% of the black vote for Obama were all politically informed? Or, we don't have to look any further than yourself.... after all, you did read both of Obama's books before voting for him?

That was a rhetorical question.

Hint: They all lie to an extent, but lying by omission has to be the most difficult to discern without an awareness of the world. Those that participate with a closed, biased mind are actually prejudiced by ignorance and largely comprise the "misinformed".



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 SteelCity1981
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Posted: 12/19/2011 10:25:33 AM
Irregulator, "SourceWatch (formerly Disinfopedia) is an internet wiki site that is a collaborative project of the liberal Center for Media and Democracy"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SourceWatch

And a swing and a miss.

So that's a no then on both the 2nd and 3rd and 4th quote. Thanks..

Nope no cherry picking here i'm just responding to the links so far that has been displayedin which are geared at left wing places or left wing org that are big players in this fund that conducted this poll.

So it's improper an argument that shows the buig time players conducting this poll that funded it were left wing? Yeah ok. That is a legit argument based on not only the history of these org but by the left wing people like soros that funds projects like these.



lyingcheat, you're right my mistake on the forbs link.
 DJoseph54
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Posted: 12/19/2011 10:36:20 AM
Irregular:

How is this a critique of methodology, thus the validity of the poll?


Guessing you missed "statistics and analysis" with your Wiki education.

PS: Maybe try some Metamucil for that "irregularity".


"Liberal" …"left wing"?

How? And, by what definition, by whose definition?


That we can agree on, as the only thing liberal about the self coined Liberals is being liberal with and from the productive to their pockets.

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 lyingcheat
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Posted: 12/19/2011 10:39:57 AM

As far as the .pdf from kff.org, there is absolutely no mention of Fox.

Fail.
About halfway through the document, in the section titled 'High Scorers'. Note the chart, particularly the section labeled - 'Source Of Information'.
http://www.kff.org/healthreform/upload/8148.pdf

As far as Forbes, it was a link to to liberal New Jersey university, that was itself misinformed about it's main question concerning Egypt.... Mubarak was not overthrown by "just" Egyptians and in fact, did not stand a remote chance of success without NATO, AFRICOM, and the initial push by same.

What role in the Egyptian uprising did NATO and AFRICOM play?


Those that participate with a closed, biased mind are actually prejudiced by ignorance and largely comprise the "misinformed".

Yes, that becomes clearer and more obvious with every post they make.
 SteelCity1981
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Posted: 12/19/2011 10:42:11 AM
Yea apprently you missed the response where i stated i made a mistake to lyincheat on that.

flaw in methodology? To what the fact that this poll has been funded projects by the left with billionair guys like Soros giving money to conduct these survay's?

Ok i revisted that post and that sounds like nothing more then pure biased dislike towards the right. Thanks for point that out.

If it's not left it's not right.....
 SteelCity1981
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Posted: 12/19/2011 10:49:15 AM
Yeah and that methodology of i already showed you the org and the people that funded it that backed this poll, but you keep on with your left wing bias ways. lol

Cherry picking fail what the fact that all you do is continue to display your vast bias towards the left? I mean it's painfully clear that the statement was geared towards the great disklike you have for the right.

Nope just displaying who you are bud.
 DJoseph54
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Posted: 12/19/2011 10:52:22 AM

Irregular:
The "3rd largest cable network" is actually the cable TV provider Vidéotron, which has it's audience base in the province of Quebec, …where the predominant language is not English.

More red herrings…


The only "red herring" is your perception of knowledge.

Hint: A Wiki education is not remotely considered a formal education.

Nevertheless, if you had read all of your link that I provided earlier for the Wiki sheep, you would realize Fox news is in France, speaking French.... as well as many other countries in their "predominant" native language.

If you could comprehend without prejudice, you would also realize Fox Canada was not allowed and thus, to even be included in Canada's cable network, Fox backed off and subsequently is not publicly broadcasted across open airwaves from within the borders of Canada.

If only....

 SteelCity1981
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Posted: 12/19/2011 10:58:40 AM
ok so the people that funded this has no ties to the left and this isn't a method to display that the people invovled were far left wing people? lol.

it's funny you say that yet you go and look at all my history by looking up all my post. lol that's just fing looney right there.
 DJoseph54
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Posted: 12/19/2011 11:07:39 AM
lying:

Fail.
About halfway through the document, in the section titled 'High Scorers'. Note the chart, particularly the section labeled - 'Source Of Information'.
http://www.kff.org/healthreform/upload/8148.pdf


.... that is as absurd as your posting a link to this thread that has a link to kff.org. But, thanks for pointing it out.

Think about this... the majority of Congress voted on the Health Law without having read it.

Further, the kff.org are idiots, including the opening comment:


And 45 percent believe that the law cuts some benefits previously available to all Medicare recipients. It does not.


....whereas the law specifically drains Medicare surplus ($500 Billion this year), as has been done with some $43 Trillion in prior Social Security surplus, where Congress will be crying that Medicare is broke.... which it will be, including the millions on perpetual Welfare Medicaid that are now coming on board for the productive paid by payroll deduction that funds Medicare.

Note: Having read the Health Bill, Fox is a hell of a lot more accurate than CNN, or MSNBC cable (there is a difference between MSNBC and MSNBC cable).

....The list of misinformed BS goes on for kff.org, but I don't have the time, nor the desire to waste life away by discrediting the nonsense presented in just these threads.


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 SteelCity1981
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Posted: 12/19/2011 11:17:15 AM
speaking of comprehending....

"Funding is not part of methodology"

The poll funding, in which the "method" (series of steps taken) that showed the org and people behind it.
 lyingcheat
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Posted: 12/19/2011 11:36:01 AM

Fail.
About halfway through the document, in the section titled 'High Scorers'. Note the chart, particularly the section labeled - 'Source Of Information'.
http://www.kff.org/healthreform/upload/8148.pdf

.... that is as absurd as your posting a link to this thread that has a link to kff.org.
Think about this... the majority of Congress voted on the Health Law without having read it.
Further, the kff.org are idiots, including the opening comment:

You are misrepresenting what my comment was in response to with an irrelevant and nonsensical reply.

The comment of mine you quoted was in response to this statement of yours.
As far as the .pdf from kff.org, there is absolutely no mention of Fox.

Which is wrong. Hence why I said - "Fail.
About halfway through the document, in the section titled 'High Scorers'. Note the chart, particularly the section labeled - 'Source Of Information'.
http://www.kff.org/healthreform/upload/8148.pdf"

Yet no admission that you were wrong. Just some private musings about Congress and accusations that... kkf.org are idiots! R i g h t... kkf.org are idiots.

This is another statement of yours I'm curious about. I already asked you once, but you must have overlooked it. It was about your allegation that a certain "New Jersey university" was "misinformed" about the Egyptian uprising.

As far as Forbes, it was a link to to liberal New Jersey university, that was itself misinformed about it's main question concerning Egypt.... Mubarak was not overthrown by "just" Egyptians and in fact, did not stand a remote chance of success without NATO, AFRICOM, and the initial push by same.

What role in the Egyptian uprising did NATO and AFRICOM play?
 Bladesmith81801
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Posted: 12/19/2011 12:07:19 PM
Irregulator, I find it interesting the complete dismissal of ANY institute of higher education i.e. colleges, are automatically disqualified by Steel (And others) as bastions of left wing politics.

In short what they're saying is that people with higher education are leftists, are they not?

What sort of regimes historically demonize the educated?
 SteelCity1981
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Posted: 12/19/2011 12:22:21 PM
In short what they're saying is that people with higher education are leftists, are they not?


That's absurd. There are high school drop outs that are leftist, my friend is a prime example of that. So the level of education means nothing in regards to how a person perceives things in which they base their own personal beliefs around.


"Funding" is not "Methodology


guess you missed that part in which i replied to in that manner.

 matchlight
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Posted: 12/19/2011 1:31:11 PM
^^^^^OK. I give in. All those surveys are right, and Fox News is every bit the sewer of vicious lies its detractors here have claimed. What do you propose to do about it?

Knowing how deeply concerned for our country you and the other solons here are, I'm sure you're not about to let the extremist haters at Fox News ruin America by continuing to brainwash us gullible yahoos. So I can't imagine you haven't thought very carefully about how to deal with this intolerable social menace.
 Bladesmith81801
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Posted: 12/19/2011 3:02:19 PM
Simple answer to your ridiculous hyperbole, Match?

At the very least, force Murdoch to rebrand his crap as what it is, propaganda, no, not "Entertainment", because thats not what it is, unless you're entertained by lies. Anyone who rises to their level gets the same.

Also at the very least, we demand that anyone who wants to declare themselves as "News", actually adhere to journalistic standards. Oh horror!'

What would be wrong with a national requirement for honesty, with hefty fines for lying your ass off? Or better yet, being yanked off the air? Is telling the truth THAT damned hard?
 Bladesmith81801
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Posted: 12/19/2011 3:03:33 PM
Skooch, one needs look no further than Foxs own internal memos where they TELL their people what propaganda to push that day.
 DJoseph54
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Posted: 12/19/2011 5:06:21 PM

skoochie
We know they're adding their spin to make it funny.


Except I don't find their spin to be humorous, nor do I search for comedy when wanting to know the actual news.

As an example, how are the attacks on Fox by the Daily Show any news for those searching for actual news?

But thank you, as at least we know the complainers of Fox, or at least some of the complainers are in search of entertainment and not viable news to be discerned.

Note: I don't really watch much of Fox either. :) ...If I want world news, I typically read various other resources that are mostly absent of political nonsense.... at least our two party BS.

Here are some examples of what I read when I have time:

http://www.onlinenewspapers.com/ -World's Newspapers

http://www.prnewswire.com/
http://www.newsmeat.com/
http://www.newsunfiltered.com/
http://www.reportersuncensored.com/index.php
http://www.presstv.ir/
http://www.truthdig.com/
http://www.mediaite.com/
http://www.drudgereport.com/
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/
http://www.wnd.com/
http://online.wsj.com/home-page


http://www.newsflashr.com -News and Topic Search
http://wn.com/ -World News
http://www.allvoices.com/ -World News
http://www.redherring.com/ -Technology
http://betanews.com/ -Technology
http://www.economist.com/ -Economy and Financial

http://www.atimes.com/ -Asia
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ushome/index.html -UK
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/ -UK
http://www.theobserver.ca/ -Canada
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/ -China
http://www.thelocal.de/ -Germany
http://www.expressindia.com/ -India
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ -India
http://www.kcna.co.jp/index-e.htm -Korea
http://www.ahmedquraishi.com/ -Pakistan
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/ -Pakistan
http://www.thelocal.se/ -Pakistan
http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/ -Bahrain
http://www.narconews.com/ -South America

Etc...
 hoopsnhikes
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Posted: 12/19/2011 5:22:57 PM

I think it's funny when the right puts down The Daily Show or Colbert. At least we know they aren't seriously trying to lie. We know they're adding their spin to make it funny.


So the Daily Show and Colbert aren't seriously trying to lie, but rather just adding their spin to things...


Faux is fake news too, but they actually believe the propaganda they peddle.


And they are also fake news like Fox....the difference apparently being, they don't actually believe the propaganda they peddle...


If you really want proof of the nonsense Faux sells, watch The Daily Show put together their montages of Faux contradicting itself, fearmongering and misleading their viewers.


Yet despite being a spinning propaganda fake news show, they're still the place to turn to if you really want "proof" of someone else's nonsense.

There's nothing I can really add to this.
 matchlight
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Posted: 12/19/2011 5:37:47 PM
@skoochie:
They have every right to broadcast to the people who are foolish enough to believe their nonsense.


Thank you.

@bladesmith:
At the very least, force Murdoch to rebrand his crap as what it is, propaganda


When you say "force," you are talking about making that law. And just how would that federal law read, I wonder? What would it do--maybe create some national censorship board to act like a jury and decide if each broadcast is factual? Good luck writing a law that does that without violating the First Amendment.

What would be wrong with a national requirement for honesty, with hefty fines for lying your ass off? Or better yet, being yanked off the air?

Plenty. It would take a federal law to yank any broadcast off the air. Who would that law authorize to decide what's "honest," and what deserves to be yanked? You and people you agree with?

Suppose my friends and I think *liberal* broadcasters are habitual liars, and that *their* programs should be yanked. If we have the votes next time, should we be able to return the favor, and shut them up instead?

Courts disfavor laws which discriminate against political speech on the basis of its content--to put it mildly. There is some room for laws that regulate TV and radio broadcasts, but not nearly enough to allow the kind of thing you're suggesting. The First Amendment makes political opinions MUCH harder to outlaw than, say, false commercial advertising.


"News" and opinion, aren't unbiased as long as editorial "final say" is dictated by the ownership, as opposed to an adhered to "stylebook" of reportage that is transparent, neutral and fact based. This is Journalism 101.


Your opinion of what journalistic standards require--or that of a consensus of leftist professors at Columbia Journalism School--doesn't determine the boundaries of First Amendment freedoms. The Supreme Court does that, for the most part, and it's not concerned with what journalists may think is the fact about this or that political question.

From the moment this president appeared on the national scene, many of these journalists have repeatedly misled and lied, mostly by omission, to cover his own habitual lies and his associations with a number of extreme radicals who resent or even despise the country whose interests he allegedly represents. Whether they have covered his rear in hopes of currying favor, or because they don't much like this country either, they have nothing to be proud of.

Considering that a number of these journalists--so they called themselves--were caught openly conspiring on a website to cook up lies to smear this administration's opponents; that Mr. Rather knowingly distorted Mr. Bush's military service; that the New York Times has been caught red-handed in more than one lie; et cetera ad nauseam, it's revealing that anyone would dare hold up some noble standard of transparent, neutral, fact-based journalistic reporting and accuse Fox News--and only them--of failing to live up to it.
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Posted: 12/19/2011 5:59:06 PM
Rather and everyone else was right about the Chickenhawk status of lil Bush back in the day that me and many thousands of other unfortunate sons had to go when lil Bushsh*t got to party hardy and play the class card.

Dan Rather was set up with faux documentation as a distraction from the very real AWOL status that lil Bush enjoyed. It was a brilliant, effective and dishonest strategy that did work, is still emulated and practiced by the Chickenhawks, and has become the standard by which truthiness judges the relative left and gives the far Reich a free ride.
 swingarm1966
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Posted: 12/19/2011 6:13:45 PM

Dan Rather was set up with faux documentation as a distraction from the very real AWOL status that lil Bush enjoyed.

I doubt Dan Rather was set up.He and other CFR propagandists such as Barbara Walters, Tom Brokaw, Jim Lehrer, Lesley Stahl, Katie Couric, Tony Snow, Morton Kondracke, Daniel Pipes, and Charles Krauthammer, know the drill well. Or does "set up" have a different meaning than my interpretation?
 DJoseph54
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Posted: 12/19/2011 6:17:06 PM
Earth
Rather and everyone else was right about the Chickenhawk status of lil Bush back in the day that me and many thousands of other unfortunate sons had to go when lil Bushsh*t got to party hardy and play the class card.


Bush is not president, but rather the person that convinced too many on the left that he could change the direction of this country has miserably failed at a huge financial expense as never seen prior, is.

As far as Bush failing to serve in Vietnam, where was Clinton (he was in Russia), where was Obama in the Gulf War (he was studying Marxism), etc.? At least Bush served in the Guard and although he may have had preferential treatment, anyone in college was also deferred and anyone that ran to Canada was given a mass amnesty by Clinton.

Was it a class war? Of course.

Personally, I believe that anyone running for the presidency and thus, Commander in Chief, should have had to serve his/her country in an active duty military capacity.

Nevertheless, while the recent presidents of left comprise far more cowards, Bush is not the topic.

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