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 DJoseph54
Joined: 11/16/2011
Msg: 531
Is Fox News Evil or Stupid?Page 26 of 26    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26)
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Fail.
About halfway through the document, in the section titled 'High Scorers'. Note the chart, particularly the section labeled - 'Source Of Information'.
http://www.kff.org/healthreform/upload/8148.pdf


.... that is as absurd as your posting a link to this thread that has a link to kff.org. But, thanks for pointing it out.

Think about this... the majority of Congress voted on the Health Law without having read it.

Further, the kff.org are idiots, including the opening comment:


And 45 percent believe that the law cuts some benefits previously available to all Medicare recipients. It does not.


....whereas the law specifically drains Medicare surplus ($500 Billion this year), as has been done with some $43 Trillion in prior Social Security surplus, where Congress will be crying that Medicare is broke.... which it will be, including the millions on perpetual Welfare Medicaid that are now coming on board for the productive paid by payroll deduction that funds Medicare.

Note: Having read the Health Bill, Fox is a hell of a lot more accurate than CNN, or MSNBC cable (there is a difference between MSNBC and MSNBC cable).

....The list of misinformed BS goes on for kff.org, but I don't have the time, nor the desire to waste life away by discrediting the nonsense presented in just these threads.


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 SteelCity1981
Joined: 8/16/2005
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Posted: 12/19/2011 11:17:15 AM
speaking of comprehending....

"Funding is not part of methodology"

The poll funding, in which the "method" (series of steps taken) that showed the org and people behind it.
 lyingcheat
Joined: 9/13/2009
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Posted: 12/19/2011 11:36:01 AM

Fail.
About halfway through the document, in the section titled 'High Scorers'. Note the chart, particularly the section labeled - 'Source Of Information'.
http://www.kff.org/healthreform/upload/8148.pdf

.... that is as absurd as your posting a link to this thread that has a link to kff.org.
Think about this... the majority of Congress voted on the Health Law without having read it.
Further, the kff.org are idiots, including the opening comment:

You are misrepresenting what my comment was in response to with an irrelevant and nonsensical reply.

The comment of mine you quoted was in response to this statement of yours.
As far as the .pdf from kff.org, there is absolutely no mention of Fox.

Which is wrong. Hence why I said - "Fail.
About halfway through the document, in the section titled 'High Scorers'. Note the chart, particularly the section labeled - 'Source Of Information'.
http://www.kff.org/healthreform/upload/8148.pdf"

Yet no admission that you were wrong. Just some private musings about Congress and accusations that... kkf.org are idiots! R i g h t... kkf.org are idiots.

This is another statement of yours I'm curious about. I already asked you once, but you must have overlooked it. It was about your allegation that a certain "New Jersey university" was "misinformed" about the Egyptian uprising.

As far as Forbes, it was a link to to liberal New Jersey university, that was itself misinformed about it's main question concerning Egypt.... Mubarak was not overthrown by "just" Egyptians and in fact, did not stand a remote chance of success without NATO, AFRICOM, and the initial push by same.

What role in the Egyptian uprising did NATO and AFRICOM play?
 Bladesmith81801
Joined: 10/30/2010
Msg: 534
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Posted: 12/19/2011 12:07:19 PM
Irregulator, I find it interesting the complete dismissal of ANY institute of higher education i.e. colleges, are automatically disqualified by Steel (And others) as bastions of left wing politics.

In short what they're saying is that people with higher education are leftists, are they not?

What sort of regimes historically demonize the educated?
 SteelCity1981
Joined: 8/16/2005
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Posted: 12/19/2011 12:22:21 PM
In short what they're saying is that people with higher education are leftists, are they not?


That's absurd. There are high school drop outs that are leftist, my friend is a prime example of that. So the level of education means nothing in regards to how a person perceives things in which they base their own personal beliefs around.


"Funding" is not "Methodology


guess you missed that part in which i replied to in that manner.

 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
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Posted: 12/19/2011 1:31:11 PM
^^^^^OK. I give in. All those surveys are right, and Fox News is every bit the sewer of vicious lies its detractors here have claimed. What do you propose to do about it?

Knowing how deeply concerned for our country you and the other solons here are, I'm sure you're not about to let the extremist haters at Fox News ruin America by continuing to brainwash us gullible yahoos. So I can't imagine you haven't thought very carefully about how to deal with this intolerable social menace.
 Bladesmith81801
Joined: 10/30/2010
Msg: 537
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Posted: 12/19/2011 3:02:19 PM
Simple answer to your ridiculous hyperbole, Match?

At the very least, force Murdoch to rebrand his crap as what it is, propaganda, no, not "Entertainment", because thats not what it is, unless you're entertained by lies. Anyone who rises to their level gets the same.

Also at the very least, we demand that anyone who wants to declare themselves as "News", actually adhere to journalistic standards. Oh horror!'

What would be wrong with a national requirement for honesty, with hefty fines for lying your ass off? Or better yet, being yanked off the air? Is telling the truth THAT damned hard?
 Bladesmith81801
Joined: 10/30/2010
Msg: 538
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Posted: 12/19/2011 3:03:33 PM
Skooch, one needs look no further than Foxs own internal memos where they TELL their people what propaganda to push that day.
 DJoseph54
Joined: 11/16/2011
Msg: 539
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Posted: 12/19/2011 5:06:21 PM

skoochie
We know they're adding their spin to make it funny.


Except I don't find their spin to be humorous, nor do I search for comedy when wanting to know the actual news.

As an example, how are the attacks on Fox by the Daily Show any news for those searching for actual news?

But thank you, as at least we know the complainers of Fox, or at least some of the complainers are in search of entertainment and not viable news to be discerned.

Note: I don't really watch much of Fox either. :) ...If I want world news, I typically read various other resources that are mostly absent of political nonsense.... at least our two party BS.

Here are some examples of what I read when I have time:

http://www.onlinenewspapers.com/ -World's Newspapers

http://www.prnewswire.com/
http://www.newsmeat.com/
http://www.newsunfiltered.com/
http://www.reportersuncensored.com/index.php
http://www.presstv.ir/
http://www.truthdig.com/
http://www.mediaite.com/
http://www.drudgereport.com/
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/
http://www.wnd.com/
http://online.wsj.com/home-page


http://www.newsflashr.com -News and Topic Search
http://wn.com/ -World News
http://www.allvoices.com/ -World News
http://www.redherring.com/ -Technology
http://betanews.com/ -Technology
http://www.economist.com/ -Economy and Financial

http://www.atimes.com/ -Asia
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ushome/index.html -UK
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/ -UK
http://www.theobserver.ca/ -Canada
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/ -China
http://www.thelocal.de/ -Germany
http://www.expressindia.com/ -India
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ -India
http://www.kcna.co.jp/index-e.htm -Korea
http://www.ahmedquraishi.com/ -Pakistan
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/ -Pakistan
http://www.thelocal.se/ -Pakistan
http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/ -Bahrain
http://www.narconews.com/ -South America

Etc...
 hoopsnhikes
Joined: 4/16/2010
Msg: 540
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Posted: 12/19/2011 5:22:57 PM

I think it's funny when the right puts down The Daily Show or Colbert. At least we know they aren't seriously trying to lie. We know they're adding their spin to make it funny.


So the Daily Show and Colbert aren't seriously trying to lie, but rather just adding their spin to things...


Faux is fake news too, but they actually believe the propaganda they peddle.


And they are also fake news like Fox....the difference apparently being, they don't actually believe the propaganda they peddle...


If you really want proof of the nonsense Faux sells, watch The Daily Show put together their montages of Faux contradicting itself, fearmongering and misleading their viewers.


Yet despite being a spinning propaganda fake news show, they're still the place to turn to if you really want "proof" of someone else's nonsense.

There's nothing I can really add to this.
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
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Posted: 12/19/2011 5:37:47 PM
@skoochie:
They have every right to broadcast to the people who are foolish enough to believe their nonsense.


Thank you.

@bladesmith:
At the very least, force Murdoch to rebrand his crap as what it is, propaganda


When you say "force," you are talking about making that law. And just how would that federal law read, I wonder? What would it do--maybe create some national censorship board to act like a jury and decide if each broadcast is factual? Good luck writing a law that does that without violating the First Amendment.

What would be wrong with a national requirement for honesty, with hefty fines for lying your ass off? Or better yet, being yanked off the air?

Plenty. It would take a federal law to yank any broadcast off the air. Who would that law authorize to decide what's "honest," and what deserves to be yanked? You and people you agree with?

Suppose my friends and I think *liberal* broadcasters are habitual liars, and that *their* programs should be yanked. If we have the votes next time, should we be able to return the favor, and shut them up instead?

Courts disfavor laws which discriminate against political speech on the basis of its content--to put it mildly. There is some room for laws that regulate TV and radio broadcasts, but not nearly enough to allow the kind of thing you're suggesting. The First Amendment makes political opinions MUCH harder to outlaw than, say, false commercial advertising.


"News" and opinion, aren't unbiased as long as editorial "final say" is dictated by the ownership, as opposed to an adhered to "stylebook" of reportage that is transparent, neutral and fact based. This is Journalism 101.


Your opinion of what journalistic standards require--or that of a consensus of leftist professors at Columbia Journalism School--doesn't determine the boundaries of First Amendment freedoms. The Supreme Court does that, for the most part, and it's not concerned with what journalists may think is the fact about this or that political question.

From the moment this president appeared on the national scene, many of these journalists have repeatedly misled and lied, mostly by omission, to cover his own habitual lies and his associations with a number of extreme radicals who resent or even despise the country whose interests he allegedly represents. Whether they have covered his rear in hopes of currying favor, or because they don't much like this country either, they have nothing to be proud of.

Considering that a number of these journalists--so they called themselves--were caught openly conspiring on a website to cook up lies to smear this administration's opponents; that Mr. Rather knowingly distorted Mr. Bush's military service; that the New York Times has been caught red-handed in more than one lie; et cetera ad nauseam, it's revealing that anyone would dare hold up some noble standard of transparent, neutral, fact-based journalistic reporting and accuse Fox News--and only them--of failing to live up to it.
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 12/19/2011 5:59:06 PM
Rather and everyone else was right about the Chickenhawk status of lil Bush back in the day that me and many thousands of other unfortunate sons had to go when lil Bushsh*t got to party hardy and play the class card.

Dan Rather was set up with faux documentation as a distraction from the very real AWOL status that lil Bush enjoyed. It was a brilliant, effective and dishonest strategy that did work, is still emulated and practiced by the Chickenhawks, and has become the standard by which truthiness judges the relative left and gives the far Reich a free ride.
 swingarm1966
Joined: 3/27/2011
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Posted: 12/19/2011 6:13:45 PM

Dan Rather was set up with faux documentation as a distraction from the very real AWOL status that lil Bush enjoyed.

I doubt Dan Rather was set up.He and other CFR propagandists such as Barbara Walters, Tom Brokaw, Jim Lehrer, Lesley Stahl, Katie Couric, Tony Snow, Morton Kondracke, Daniel Pipes, and Charles Krauthammer, know the drill well. Or does "set up" have a different meaning than my interpretation?
 DJoseph54
Joined: 11/16/2011
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Posted: 12/19/2011 6:17:06 PM
Earth
Rather and everyone else was right about the Chickenhawk status of lil Bush back in the day that me and many thousands of other unfortunate sons had to go when lil Bushsh*t got to party hardy and play the class card.


Bush is not president, but rather the person that convinced too many on the left that he could change the direction of this country has miserably failed at a huge financial expense as never seen prior, is.

As far as Bush failing to serve in Vietnam, where was Clinton (he was in Russia), where was Obama in the Gulf War (he was studying Marxism), etc.? At least Bush served in the Guard and although he may have had preferential treatment, anyone in college was also deferred and anyone that ran to Canada was given a mass amnesty by Clinton.

Was it a class war? Of course.

Personally, I believe that anyone running for the presidency and thus, Commander in Chief, should have had to serve his/her country in an active duty military capacity.

Nevertheless, while the recent presidents of left comprise far more cowards, Bush is not the topic.

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