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The reason conservatives tend to regard factual reporting as liberal is because the natural result of increased knowledge is a progressive view. News is about what is happening that is new. Facts are information verified objectively. As new facts come along ignorant beliefs get displaced. Having ignorant beliefs get displaced feels like liberals are controlling the news. Progress is what is being reported, and conservatives resist progress on principle; they conserve what already is in place. News has a progressive bias when new things happen. Liberals favor progress as attainment and remedy. Conservatives seek to safeguard an established set of rules from being changed. To face truth as it is revealed through science is for a conservative a case of running into a liberal bias.

In the argument over which side is right, which view is best, either side is the same. In a discussion of what is true and what is happening, taking sides is categorically ignorant, counterproductive and unnecessary. Fox News does not report news as such, it invents propaganda. When any other program is the same, then you have equivalent examples of propaganda being broadcast.

Some things are well worth conserving, while in other areas progress ought to be made. News is about what is actually happening so that people can decide what to do about it. Propaganda is the packaging of ideology into lies, and when people enjoy hearing the lies it is because that experience provides a remedy for the emotional dismay those people would feel when presented with factual news.

Some news sources are real. The reporting is sincere. Facts are checked. Truth is valued. Others are not. It's for you to seek truth if it matters to you. What you will get just turning on a TV set or surfing the web is a mix to sort through according to your preference. For the truth to be reported and understood requires having someone on the receiving end of the report who is capable of understanding. All you need on the receiving end of propaganda is an idiot whose attention span can last long enough between commercials without changing the channel.
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Msg: 52
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Posted: 9/6/2010 3:01:53 AM
I saw the Jon Stewart show you are talking about and also thought "this would make a good Pof topic"! But was just too lazy or too busy to do it. Hmmm...stupid or evil.....lazy or busy.......

ps nonetheless some good info. yes, life has become an "illusion"!
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Msg: 53
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Posted: 9/6/2010 9:29:08 AM

I've been hearing about "saving the earth from the evil humans" since Godzilla movies from 1963.

Ever open your eyes, and see how much of the planet's habitats have been destroyed in the intervening years since you walked out of that movie house ?

Ever wonder why those people driving the astroturf movement are heads of corporations that not infrequently wind up getting fined by those same "useless regulations" ?

Useless regulations like " serving coffee too hot", so that they get sued ?

Oh, by the way, here's someone to think about....

And now we get to the heart of the matter -- the thing most people aren't aware of.  

The McDonald's coffee wasn't merely "hot"; it was scalding.

McDonalds (at that time) served its coffee 50-60 degrees hotter than that of normal coffee served in your house or breakroom.  Its temperatures ranged as high as 190 degrees.  

Now, the thing about liquids is, if you lower the temperature, the effect of burns reduces exponentially.  In other words, liquids at 180 degrees would give full thickness burns to human skin in two to seven seconds.  But liquids at 155 degrees? Not nearly as bad.

In other words, if Mrs. Liebeck's coffee was 155 degrees -- still much hotter than home or office coffee (and about the temperature that other fast food places serve coffee) -- and she had spilled it?  Yeah, it would have hurt.  Anything over 140 degrees is a burn hazard.  But it wouldn't have gone through her sweatpants and burned off her hoo-ha.

Another important point: this wasn't a one-time event.  This wasn't a McDonald's worker who strayed from McDonald's coffee prep techniques.  No.  McDonald's coffee was served at 180-190 degrees as a matter of policy.  

So, while reasonable people would expect hot coffee (and McD's, at that time, did have a "hot" warning on the coffee cups), they certainly weren't expecting coffee that hot.  And, reasonably, McDonalds owed a duty to its patrons to warn them -- not of the obvious ("the coffee will be hot") -- but of the not-obvious ("no, we mean much much hotter than you would think, people").

McDonald's food quality people testified that they knew the coffee was being served at scalding temperatures.  They knew that it was being served at temperatures higher than other fast food places and coffee shops.  It was a planned, discussed, and implemented executive decision to do that.

And they knew that many of their customers probably didn't realize that their coffee was going to be that much hotter.  But they didn't give thought to repercussions.

Even when people started complaining that the coffee was burning their mouths, they didn't do anything.

Now how are people expected to prevent injury from a product that (when they prepare it at home, or other businesses prepare it) normally isn't anywhere that dangerous ?

I've been hearing "I am woman , hear me roar , circa 1973.

Many more women are getting better treatment, and more money, than they were then. Still a ways to go , though, but anyone around in 1973 (like you or I) can tell you it's a far better time now for women.

You can get access to birth control, and also not have to go to a butcher in a back alleyway, if you need an abortion.

I've heard "Give peace a chance" (presumably before julian's "My peace-nik dad beat me until i'm deaf" , book was released)

You've also see things like the Iraq war, and many others, that might make you want to cue it up for another listen.

Just exactly what "Progress" are you referring to ?

The same progreess Al Franken's speech to the ACS outlined :

One of the great mysteries of modern politics today is how the state of Minnesota could have produced both Rep. Michele Bachmann (R) and Democrat Sen. Al Franken. While Bachmann this week was accusing the Obama administration of "fleecing" BP, urging its execs not to be "chumps," and suggesting that a $20 billion escrow fund for oil spill victims was a form of "wealth redistribution," Franken Thursday night was wowing an audience of lawyers with a remarkably pointed critique of the Roberts court and its efforts to enhance the power of already powerful corporations. The contrast couldn't be more different.

Speaking at the American Constitution Society's annual convention in DC, Franken offered up his unique blend of political criticism and comic delivery in a speech that sounded an awful lot like a rallying cry for Congress to push back against the Supreme Court's pro-business decisionmaking. He honed in on the conservative Federalist Society and bashed the Roberts court for its overreach in cases like Citizens United, where the court answered questions it wasn't even asked. "I mean, I don't speak Latin. But unless stare decisis means 'overturn stuff,' then maybe it's time for conservatives to stop calling other people 'dangerous radicals,'" he said.

Conservatives, Franken said, have "distorted our constitutional discourse to make it sound like the Court's rulings don't matter to ordinary people, but only to the undeserving riff-raff at the margins of society. So unless you want to get a late-term abortion, burn a flag in the town square, or get federal funding for your pornographic artwork, you really don't need to worry about what the Supreme Court is up to." Much of Franken's speech concerned the real people whose lives are indeed affected by the court's decisions, including Jaime Leigh Jones, the KBR employee who was allegedly gang-raped by her co-workers in Iraq and whose case Franken has championed.

One of the themes of Franken's speech was the way conservative legal activists have changed the way they talk about the law to disguise what their real agenda is. "Do they want to undercut abortion and immigration and Miranda rights? Sure. But those are just cherries on the sundae. What conservative legal activists are really interested in is this question: What individual rights are so basic and so important that they should be protected above a corporation's right to profit? And their preferred answer is: None of them. Zero."[i/]

Thank's to that progress, people are less likely to wind up in hospital because they spilled a coffee.

They are far less likely to die in a car accident in a car with seat belts, or air bags.

People, especially young children, are less likely to be poisened by lead in paint, or asbestos in insulation.

African-Americans no longer ride at the back of the bus.

Gay Americans are slowly getting the rights they, like any other citizen, are promised.

And that list goes on and on, and the only people that seem to have a problem with this are older white males and corporations, aka " the Fox den crowd", it's supporters and audience.
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Msg: 54
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Posted: 9/7/2010 2:47:20 AM
"Venus kitty...I do believe you may be reffering to my brother.
But we both know, directly addressing another poster is againct POF rules.
Please don't force me into a mod version of the "Fairness doctrine"
Carry on !.. "


There are also rules about using multiple identities here, flame baiting and trolling.
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Msg: 55
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Posted: 9/7/2010 4:40:25 PM
I keep losing track, is it the left or the right, that tries to censor anything that disagrees with them and instead of defending attacks against their own philosophies, simply counterattacks the other side?
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Msg: 56
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Posted: 9/7/2010 5:51:24 PM
Studying history thus far.. the left has been wimpy and reluctant to fall down to the level of the far Reich. The far right has been moving the bar farther and farther to the right expecting centrists and moderates to bend over backwards to keep up to the shift. The middle, becoming wage slaves, tending to the kiddos, and not having time to keep up to all this have been manipulated by the far right to vote against their self interests because homosexuals might cause their man to tap toes in Minnesota, or gays might steal away the sanctitiy of marriage, cheating and divorce, things preserved for the chosen people. The party of truthiness, rails against the 10% chance that there is a liberal hypocrite as funny as the self serving, and more vocal hypocrite of the extreme right.

It's not censorship to demand a modicum of consistency when the self-righteous, judgemental, Taliban wing of the far right are shown to be what they are, should stfu till they get their own st, and hone up to having boners like every other pagan and fundie on the planet.

The big difference remains...far right fundies of any faith are killing people with their idiocy. Free speech ends when one incites violence whether through maliciousness or ignorance. Big difference between debate, and vitriolic rhetoric.
Joined: 3/28/2009
Msg: 57
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Posted: 9/7/2010 7:13:59 PM
Fox news is such an embarrassment. For many years I thought of myself as a conservative, though not 100%. But Fox news is so horrible that I am truly embarrassed to call myself a conservative anymore, because I do not believe in what they do, nor do I believe in the manner in which they do it. It's just awful.

I went to an NRA womens gun clinic a few months ago, and a complete stranger walked up to me. She started talking about Glen Beck and asked me if I watched him. I must have looked like a dear in headlights and I really wanted to get away from her fast. I felt like it was some sort of weird initiation or a test... "You gotta watch Glen Beck to believe in the 2nd amendment!" I just shook my head and mumbled, "No...." She was polite about it, but man it was really weird. She wandered off to find somebody else to talk to and I breathed a sigh of relief!

Not long before that my mom wanted to go to a Sean Hannity book signing. I felt really bad to tell her no, that I cannot stand him. I have no respect for him at all. My poor mom..... all this time she probably thought I was a good little Foxaholic. Foxaholic... haha I just made a new word! You saw it here first!
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Msg: 58
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Posted: 9/7/2010 11:17:36 PM
the natural result of increased knowledge is a progressive view.

Do tell! As someone who seems to favor the "truth as it is revealed through science," it's a little surprising you don't cite any empirical evidence for your claim. Or--knowledgeable as you surely are--could it be that you consider *yourself* the evidence for it?

To face truth as it is revealed through science is for a conservative a case of running into a liberal bias.

Aha! *Now* I know why, when I was reading about quantum physics the other evening, I had the vague feeling the author was a leftist.

All you need on the receiving end of propaganda is an idiot whose attention span can last long enough between commercials without changing the channel.

I don't think I've ever heard a more concise and accurate explanation of MSNBC's appeal.
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Msg: 59
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Posted: 9/8/2010 12:46:10 AM
Ha! said "empirical"!

The needle on the irony-o-meter just went sub-orbital.


Still a corporate-biased-source.

Man! really don't get the paradigm shift from "past the end of your nose" you?
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Msg: 60
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Posted: 9/9/2010 1:02:22 PM
You are just learning now that the people in power are just using the people who are not in power? Interesting.

A news company is a product; this one caters to the conservative right, you have a choice not to buy the product. People have been doing this for centuries. It's not new. Use the money you get from the product to put yourself in power, happens all the time.
 peppermint petunias
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Msg: 61
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Posted: 9/9/2010 1:05:58 PM
It's always about MONEY....^^^^^^^^^^

Not very complicated.

Jon Stewart for president!!!
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Posted: 9/13/2010 11:29:23 AM
Colbert and Stewart live in the 21st Century. Fox and friends and fiends wish for a return to the 19th. Colbert and Stewart are part of the reality based community...Fox is Fox.
Fox calls for repeal of the 20th century
September 07, 2010 2:43 pm ET — 136 Comments
Since President Obama's election, Fox personalities have expressed opposition to or called for the repeal of virtually every progressive achievement of the 20th century, including Social Security, Medicare, the Americans with Disabilities Act, portions of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and the 16th and 17th Amendments to the Constitution.
Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid

17th Amendment

16th Amendment

Americans with Disabilities Act

Civil Rights Act of 1964

Voting Rights Act of 1965

Nuclear arms control

Abortion rights

Labor unions

Department of Education

Unemployment insurance

Environmental Protection Agency

Progressive taxation
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Posted: 9/14/2010 1:26:11 PM
that you would get any 'news' from the idiot box at all is laughable.
all of them are 'entertainment'
I put the Daily show on par with Cnn AC 360, GMA, NBc nightly news and Fox. Its all ad driven entertainment with a bias; if you cant see the info from the bias, then you are due to be led by your nose, in either direction.

My news source ? BBC Radio, NY Times, WSJ, CSpan, and the actual source texts for all cr@p that they want to banter about.

Its been six months, have you read the HealthCare bill ? All 2600 pages of it, and the 1800 pages of ammendments?.... I have. And because your legislator that signed it , didnt, I am making a nice niche in consulting on the content.

N.E.W.S. was originally supposed to be the dispatches from the four points of the compass North East West South.
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Msg: 64
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Posted: 9/14/2010 6:09:32 PM

Fox News are not Evil, nor Stupid. They are BIASED.

If someone was just bias they would not make stuff up.

Like what Hannity did the other day and is what many of them do.

That is not bias, that is blatant deception.

Fox is nothing more than a propaganda machine and what scares me is many are too stupid to see that, and as luck would have it, Canada is about to get its own version.
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Msg: 65
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Posted: 9/14/2010 8:28:57 PM
A better question would be are they stupid becuase they're evil or evil because they're stupid??
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Posted: 9/15/2010 6:59:45 PM

...blatant deception.

That's the evil part (cause), ...the stupid part is the effect of confirmation bias, the really scary part of this though, is... Orwellian.

It's scary because it works.

“A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes”
Samuel Langhorne Clements

"...In a sample of a highly educated and informed subjects—Slate readers—half came to remember bogus political stories as true. Even when they were told that one of the four incidents they had seen was fake, and even when that incident was a complete fabrication, half of this deceived group—and 37 percent of the overall sample—couldn't guess which one. A modern-day Ministry of Truth could alter memories on a mass scale.
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Posted: 9/18/2010 10:38:44 AM
10 seconds of Hannity and I'm ready to throw something through my TV screen. However, it's obvious that Fox is geared toward serving the Right and MSNBC is geared toward serving the Left. CNN have decided to stake out the middle, no man's land. I have no problem with that. What does bother me is how Fox continues to sell themselves as "Fair & Balanced" when it's obvious to any reasonably intelligent person they are neither. It's fine to be biased. Just come out and admit it for chrissakes.
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Posted: 9/18/2010 1:01:26 PM

any reasonably intelligent person

Not their target demographic.

As for bias, may be a short and convenient word but considering the myriad an many examples of disinformation propagated by this network, falls short.
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Posted: 9/18/2010 6:08:05 PM
Monica obsessed chickenhawk man of at least 5 different aliases in the last year...Please provide some comparable lying from the non-far-right media to back up your claim that there is something comparable to Fox in the real world. Please provide links young chickenhawk. Kingdomcrown is speaking in the same language he has in his various infestations where his profile has been obliterated more than a few times.Are not there rules to control trolls?
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Posted: 9/18/2010 9:09:42 PM
There are a ton of Americans whom fox news appeals to. They're niche appears evil/stupid but their content is what their target audience wants. It's really their target audience that is evil/stupid.
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Posted: 9/19/2010 12:28:22 AM
It's really their target audience that is evil/stupid.

Very good point.

One of the things I've noticed in almost 50 years of watching people on this planet is; whether the cause is the stupidity borne of ignorance or the ignorance borne of malice: The consequences are the same.

The consequences ultimately define a "wrong", ...the means are often immaterial, the ends are self evident.
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Msg: 72
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Posted: 9/20/2010 7:03:55 AM
If you can have NBC, why can't you have Fox?

This is a false dichotomy, when you can find an example to contrast/compare with the seemingly endless litany of substantiated disinformation (with no retractions), journalistic fraud (with no retractions) and baseless appeals to confirmation bias that constitute a pattern, please do bring it to the table.

Interesting though that, no actual arguments "for" have been tabled, nothing but the same fallacious BS that FOX News pundits are known for. Very illustrative of the OP's premise.

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Msg: 73
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Posted: 9/20/2010 7:22:28 PM

If you can have NBC, why can't you have Fox?

I think you're missing the point Late. NBC has a decided right wing bias - Fox is just further right.

Admittedly, NBC doesn't actually make stuff up. Nor do they provide a salary and platform for candidates in waiting, but if you look at what they consider newsworthy they clearly have a very right wing bent.
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Posted: 9/20/2010 8:16:46 PM
There is also no other network that concentrates on pushing people to violence and divisiveness using manufactured falsehoods. Fox is shameless in their propaganda for profit. It's not Fox that people fear, but the fruits and nutcases of that propaganda, hate, and division. The Knoxville UU murderer was a Fox affecionado, pushed over the edge by O'Reilly and the propaganda machine. No telling what the final death toll will be from such irresponsible hate for profit. There's " a whole lotta ugly comin' at you from a never-ending parade of stupid".
"A Whole Lotta Ugly" in Church Shooting
The pastor of the now too-well-known Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church occasionally wrote columns for the local newspaper, the Knoxville News-Sentinel. Last March, he wrote one entitled "Tolerance," in which he compared past intolerance of interracial couples to today's intolerance of gay couples.
"In the movie 'Hairspray,'" Rev. Chris Buice wrote, "the character Mabelle warns a newly formed interracial couple, 'You two better brace yourselves for a whole lotta ugly comin' at you from a never-ending parade of stupid.' We forget that it was not that long ago that the law forbade such relationships, even while some prominent segregationist politicians engaged in them. Today, a gay couple might encounter harassment and derision for simply holding hands in a public park."
Sunday morning, a whole lotta ugly entered the church's sanctuary in the form of a man who was angry about "the liberal movement" and its tolerance for gay couples, among other things. The man started firing a shotgun he bought from a pawnshop. He killed two people and injured seven others before he was wrestled to the floor and later arrested and charged with first-degree murder.
So now we can add liberals to the list of enemy combatants in America's culture war.
According to the News-Sentinel, Knoxville police department investigator Steve Still wrote in the search warrant that Jim David Adkisson, the man who was arrested in the rampage, went to the church "because of its liberal teachings and his belief that all liberals should be killed because they were ruining the country, and that he felt that the Democrats had tied his country's hands in the war on terror and they had ruined every institution in America with the aid of major media outlets."
Adkisson, who had served in the military, said "that because he could not get to the leaders of the liberal movement he would then target those that had voted them in office," the search warrant states. Among the items seized from Adkisson's house were three books: "The O'Reilly Factor," by television commentator Bill O'Reilly; "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder," by radio personality Michael Savage; and "Let Freedom Ring," by political pundit Sean Hannity.
The Unitarian Universalist Association might be the most liberal denomination in the country. Most members consider themselves part of a post-Christian religion that draws wisdom from all religions and philosophies. There is no central creed, but the denomination promotes a set of principles that includes a belief in "the inherent worth and dignity of every person."
David Gushee and Rachel Laser used a similar phrase earlier this month when they called on Barack Obama and John McCain "to bring a just end" to the culture wars.
"Gay and lesbian issues, like abortion, have also been tearing the nation apart," Gushee, an evangelical and professor at Mercer University, and Laser, a program director for the progressive think tank called Third Way, wrote in a guest column for On Faith.
"But on these issues too we can find a shared common value and shared path forward. That shared value is human dignity. We can all agree that all human beings are created in God's image and have and deserve an innate human dignity - even those with whom one differs or disagrees. We can all agree that honoring this human dignity is a high moral and religious calling."
"Senators McCain and Obama," they concluded, "each of you has great potential to model a new type of leadership. Each of you has the power to heal the country and carve a new path forward through our shared common values. We humbly submit our joint prayer that you, Senators McCain and Obama, help bring a just end to the culture wars."
That would help, but it's not their job to end the culture war. We all started it. We're all responsible for what we say, write and do that increases hostility towards liberals or conservatives or any group of people whose beliefs differ from ours.
Obviously, there was a lot more going on inside the Knoxville shooter's head, heart and soul than hatred of liberals. Police said his ex-wife once was a member of that church, that he was having trouble finding a job, and that his food stamps had been cut.
Angry, hateful and deranged people kill Amish school girls and Virginia college students and shoppers at a Nebraska mall. They kill Christians, Jews and Muslims, atheists and humanists, conservative and liberals, Republicans and Democrats, unitarians and trinitarians.
But there's a whole lotta ugly out there, coming at us from a never-ending parade of stupid. It doesn't need any encouragement.
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Msg: 75
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Posted: 9/20/2010 9:50:23 PM
I think you're missing the point Late. NBC has a decided right wing bias - Fox is just further right.

I suppose you're right, it all depends on where the median is, the oft pushed myth of "liberal media" as far as corporate media is concerned is easily dispelled with a glance. Further, from a global perspective the median for moderate in the US is easily placed to the right, both in corporate media and both default mainstream parties.

Consider, "torture":

The current debate over waterboarding has spawned hundreds of newspaper articles in the last two years alone. However, waterboarding has been the subject of press attention for over a century. Examining the four newspapers with the highest daily circulation in the country, we found a significant and sudden shift in how newspapers characterized waterboarding. From the early 1930s until the modern story broke in 2004, the newspapers that covered waterboarding almost uniformly called the practice torture or implied it was torture: The New York Times characterized it thus in 81.5% (44 of 54) of articles on the subject and The Los Angeles Times did so in 96.3% of articles (26 of 27). By contrast, from 2002-2008, the studied newspapers almost never referred to waterboarding as torture. The New York Times called waterboarding torture or implied it was torture in just 2 of 143 articles (1.4%). The Los Angeles Times did so in 4.8% of articles (3 of 63). The Wall Street Journal characterized the practice as torture in just 1 of 63 articles (1.6%). USA Today never called waterboarding torture or implied it was torture. In addition, the newspapers are much more likely to call waterboarding torture if a country other than the United States is the perpetrator.
~ Joan Shorenstein Center on the Press, Politics and Public Policy; Harvard University

Admittedly, NBC doesn't actually make stuff up.

They (as do almost all non-Fox sources) also promptly issue retractions and corrections. Fox deflects or ignores factual errors and blatant misrepresentations (their M.O. really). When viewed through the prism of propaganda, ...calling Fox News journalism is a malapropism.

It's also interesting to note that the word "journalism" is often marginalized by the right as being "politically correct".

In the light of global (OECD countries) norms, the actual journalism practiced by NPR (in the 7 months I've had access to two local stations in North Carolina) is more unbiased and neutral than any non-US news service I've experienced (Canada and UK especially), unfortunately, the "just the facts" approach of NPR for many, is seen as "left-leaning", ...but it can also be shown that reality itself can be labeled in the same terms.

As for Stewart and Colbert, ...they are modern Mark Twains, they aren't journalists, they are purveyors of aphorisms. In retrospect, how many popular commentators from Samuel Clemons time are as revered and quoted? And remember, by today's standards he was a lefty, ...and an atheist.

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