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 Earthpuppy
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Unsupported claims such as "they ARE despicable, ingenuous, manipulative, and that they blame their own bad behavior on others" are extremely poor, forum etiquette. Think essay content. Where's the "why" (are they blah, blah, blah), the evidence?

I didn't check other posts, but an evidence-free claim can be at best ONLY a paraphrase or literal restatement of a SUPPORTED claim from a previous post. Repetition of that like makes for both tiresome and boorish reading.


Fox Noise's evil and stupidity has been well documented and explained in detail and by example throughout 10 pages of this thread and by Media Matters, News Hounds, FAIR, and a host of other sources that capture the essence of the propaganda machinery of Murdoch and the Teapublican Party.

Your admission that you are too lazy to check the other posts, underscores what the Fox Noise people count on. You need only listen to them for THE truth. Anything else or source to the contrary is not worth looking into. Context means nothing to true believers of Fox Nation. If you are going to criticize a singular poster on a singular post, it would behoove you to at least do the courtesy of doing so in context.

For the rest of us... Fox's Sammon admits to on-air lies. "At that time, I have to admit, that I went on TV on Fox News and publicly engaged in what I guess was some rather mischievous speculation about whether Barack Obama really advocated socialism, a premise that privately I found rather far-fetched." The socialism thread by Fox ran at least 35 times in the runup to the election.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201103290006
 NotGorshkovAgain
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Posted: 4/3/2011 11:26:43 AM
Unfortunately, earthpuppy, you're just as guilty of propagandizing as the evil, neocon conservatives you're so fond of railing against.

To wit:


<div class="quote">Fox Noise's evil and stupidity
Characterization, which has no place in "documenting" or "explaining" anything. It's a tool for propagandists.

<div class="quote">has been well documented and explained in detail and by example throughout 10 pages of this thread and by Media Matters, News Hounds, FAIR, and a host of other sources
All of which are just as slanted, just as biased, and just as - yes, I dare say it - OUT TO LUNCH - as what Fox news is.

<div class="quote">that capture the essence of the propaganda machinery of Murdoch and the Teapublican Party.
Please, earthpuppy, explain to me how somebody could possibly read a sentence like that, and NOT come to the conclusion that you're just as biased as the "teapublicans" you think are so evil?

<div class="quote">Your admission that you are too lazy to check the other posts, underscores what the Fox Noise people count on.
Not at all. it's called "considering the source". Reading what you write, how you write it, and how you slant it is gives more than enough information to tell just how unbiased YOU are - and therefore, whether or not anything you say can be taken seriously. It's called bias and propagandizing - the exact same things you are railing about.

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You need only listen to them for THE truth. Anything else or source to the contrary is not worth looking into. Context means nothing to true believers of Fox Nation. If you are going to criticize a singular poster on a singular post, it would behoove you to at least do the courtesy of doing so in context.
Even though I'm not the one you were addressing, and I've done my best to stay OUT of all the puerile, immature name-calling and mud-slinging in this thread - from ALL sides - I had to say something when I read this missive of yours. SO now, I critique in context.

Earthpuppy - disagreeing with you does NOT automatically make somebody stupid, lazy, brainwashed, neocon, or a tool of the military-industrial complex. It just means they disagree with you. Insulting others, using pejoritive characterisations to describe absolutly everything that doesn't happen to agree with your worldview, and demonising absolutly everybody and everything to the right of your particular position is NOT going to win converts. It is NOT going to make people rethink their positions. It's going to make them dismiss you as a zealot, and therefore dismiss any "evidence" you may proffer without any investigation at all. THAT is why the poster you are addressing isn't going to bother. It's not because he's lazy - it's because he's come to the conclusion (probably rightly so) that the only thing he'll get by looking at your sources, is the same out-to-lunch, strident, over-the-top hyperbole that you've giving him here. (And y es, before you ask, I've come to the same conclusion).

I've looked at media matters before. And Newhounds, and FAIR, and probably a lot more places and sites than you have. And if you think they are any more balanced, accurate, or unbiased than FOX ........ then you are very, very seriously deluding yourself.


<div class="quote">For the rest of us... Fox's Sammon admits to on-air lies. "At that time, I have to admit, that I went on TV on Fox News and publicly engaged in what I guess was some rather mischievous speculation about whether Barack Obama really advocated socialism, a premise that privately I found rather far-fetched." The socialism thread by Fox ran at least 35 times in the runup to the election.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201103290006
Contrast that to Dan Rather's incendiary evidence of George the Younger's being MIA based on a memo/letter purportedly written by his former Commanding Officer, printed on a laser printer, using an Airal typeface, neither of which had even been invented when it was supposedly written - and wouldn't be for another few decades. Something that anybody even *remotely* familiar with computers or printers would have been able to spot - never mind the entire staff and management at a major news organization.

Propaganda comes from all sides. Zealots - regardless of their side of the issue - do nothing but distort, obfuscate, and confuse things.

You want to convince people? You want to have people examine your evidence, and just maybe change their opinions?

Then dial it down a few notches, and stop sounding like you've just recently graduated with an honours degree in Propaganda 101 yourself.


General point to EVERYBODY in this forum: Come on, folks - how about a little less invective, and a little more thought? From BOTH sides?
Oh, one last point. How is taking what Media Matters as gospel or at face value any better or different than taking what is on FOX as gospel? How are you any different than ... *gasp* ...... THEM?
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 4/3/2011 4:19:49 PM
I never pretend to be unbiased and am not a "trusted news source" or "fair and balanced" as Fix News claims to be. I was raised by people that valued truth above all else. I am also as disgusted with the left for pandering to the far right as I am with the far right for being such fascists.

The documented lies of Fix News are well documented by their own footage. Merely because lefterly leaning sites point them out, does not mean that the lies are any less honest or will go away. I have as much disdain for the left liars as the right liars, but the far right, via their propaganda channel, remains the premiere truthiness source for that small, but vocal and insane 2 or 3 million swallowers who try to drive the discourse and divisivness in this country. There is nothing on the lefterly side that approaches the chutzpah and prolific nature of Focks News lies.

BTW...G. W. Bush was AWOL, relied on family connections to avoid Vietnam, and avoided active duty via and prosecution via those same family connections. Rather's only sin was falling for a faux document planted to discredit him. The truth remains that lil Bush WAS a chickenhawk, a drunken cokehead, and let some poor farm kid take his place in the Vietnam debacle.
 NotGorshkovAgain
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Posted: 4/3/2011 7:32:54 PM

I never pretend to be unbiased and am not a "trusted news source" or "fair and balanced" as Fix News claims to be.

So you admit a bias - not that it's not painfully obvious to everybody.

I was raised by people that valued truth above all else. I am also as disgusted with the left for pandering to the far right as I am with the far right for being such fascists.

"the left for pandering to the far right"? "the far right for being such fascists"?
Yeah - there's truth for you. Pure cold, hard fact. No opinion or bias at all.

The documented lies of Fix News are well documented by their own footage.

An assertion, and a claim - but no proof. If you've got proof, present it - but hand-wavy claims do nothing to prove or convince, and only cause people's eyes to glaze over and skip to the next topic. You only hurt your own credibility

Merely because lefterly leaning sites point them out, does not mean that the lies are any less honest or will go away.

And if I start quoting Gaddhafi's government bureaucracy when talking about Libyan GDP during a discussion of economics, are you going to accept the figures at face value? They're just facts, yanno, inspite of their origin.

(Hint: you shouldn't, and I sure as hell wouldn't myself. The figures MAY, in fact, be accurate. But the source is so disreputable, so full of crap and propoganda, that nobody sane would want to rely on them. You really do have to consider the source).


I have as much disdain for the left liars as the right liars, but the far right, via their propaganda channel, remains the premiere truthiness source for that small, but vocal and insane 2 or 3 million swallowers who try to drive the discourse and divisivness in this country.

I'm not sure if I should congratulate you or not - this is the closest I have ever seen you come to admit that not everybody who votes republican isn't a retarded step-child who was dropped on their head too often.

There is nothing on the lefterly side that approaches the chutzpah and prolific nature of Focks News lies.

I just took at look at just this page of the discussion. It starts with me making comments on an OPINION piece by Kennedy about how the other side of the american fence (Canada) has such greener grass, and where every statement is full of crap and show absolute ignorance of Canada and the Canadian political scene. But it's given as evidence.

Another piece by a former executive of the New York Times, also an OPINION piece, also given as evidence, that is so full of bile, characterizations, contempt, and strident propaganda that it looks like it could have been written by your writers.

Rather's only sin was falling for a faux document planted to discredit him.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. Any evidence you provide in irrefutable proof of evil. Any evidence anybody else presents not only isn't proof, but proof of how the evil ones are even able to trick the pure of heart because they're just too evil and good at it for anybody to be able to see it coming. Because let's face it, there's no way nobody who's spent the last 50 years sitting in front of a typewriter, or a computer - who reads printed matter all day long - could *possibly* be expected to figure out that laser printers didn't exist back then. Apparently, none of his staff - with the exact same type of experience - could be expected to, either. All just well-meaning, good-heated silly people who got sucked in by the bad guys on the right. Uh-huh.

Look. I spent the cold war in intelligence, intercepting, reading, and analyzing Soviet and Eastern Block communications - military, civil, and political. I have yet to see anybody in these forums - and I mean ANYBODY - who is anywhere even close to being as familiar with the tools and techniques of propaganda than I am. Period. Full Stop.

Please forgive the broken Russian, but I haven't really used mine in about 25 years. But there used to be a saying in Soviet Russia: (my paraphrase) "na pravdi, bez izvestii - v'isvestii, ne pravdi". "In Pravda, there is no news - In News, there is no truth.
(Pravda, the Russian news organization, means "Truth". Izvestia, the Russian news bureau, means "News". )

When I listen to FOX, my eyes glaze over. It's like deja vu but in english this time. It's over the top, in your face, and so internally inconsistant that there is no way that it's worth the effort to try to extract anything factual from it.

But here's the kicker, earthpuppy - I have the EXACT SAME REACTION when I read one of your posts. If anything, even more so. Believe it or not, FOX is more subtle than you are. Maybe it's because you come from the left - I don't know, and I don't have the mental energy to waste putting into trying to figure it out. But your writings are so laden with buzzwords, and is so blatantly and overtly propogandistic, that it really *does* seem like an english pravda clone.

You don't do yourself, or your side of the argument, any service, when you spend your time trying to beat those that disagree with you into submission, instead of just presenting what is a pretty simple case to show how out to lunch FOX is.

In summary: Spend less time trying to out-FOX FOX, and spend more time actually arguing your case on it's merits. You'll get a lot farther that way.
 HalftimeDad
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Posted: 4/3/2011 8:29:49 PM
In fairness, all Media Matters does is present what Fox and others have said - they have the footage. Okay, I'm pretty sure that's what they do since I've never actually gone to the site. Sure Media Matters has a bias, but they don't actually purport to do anything except expose wild statements in the media.

There is a pretty profound difference between telling a lie, and exposing the lie.
 NotGorshkovAgain
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Posted: 4/4/2011 4:36:17 AM
In fairness, all Media Matters does is present what Fox and others have said - they have the footage. Okay, I'm pretty sure that's what they do since I've never actually gone to the site. Sure Media Matters has a bias, but they don't actually purport to do anything except expose wild statements in the media.

What you've said is accurate, but still not quite the whole story. The "about us" section on MediaMatters.org (full and unedited, so there's no loss of context):

Media Matters for America is a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media.

Launched in May 2004, Media Matters for America put in place, for the first time, the means to systematically monitor a cross section of print, broadcast, cable, radio, and Internet media outlets for conservative misinformation — news or commentary that is not accurate, reliable, or credible and that forwards the conservative agenda — every day, in real time.

Using the website mediamatters.org as the principal vehicle for disseminating research and information, Media Matters posts rapid-response items as well as longer research and analytic reports documenting conservative misinformation throughout the media. Additionally, Media Matters works daily to notify activists, journalists, pundits, and the general public about instances of misinformation, providing them with the resources to rebut false claims and to take direct action against offending media institutions.


Now let's go through it, and I'll point out why I don't consider them to be a reputable source (YMMV)

Media Matters for America is a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media.

Fine as far as it goes, and on it's face. But what about LIBERAL misinformation? Does it not exist, or does it just not matter? Sorry, folks. If your going to have the arrogance to call yourself something like "Media Matters", then MAKE THE MEDIA MATTER. It shouldn't make a difference WHICH side of the political divide the propoganda comes from, should it? Not only do they make exactly zero effort to hide their bias, they think it's a good thing.


Launched in May 2004, Media Matters for America put in place, for the first time, the means to systematically monitor a cross section of print, broadcast, cable, radio, and Internet media outlets for conservative misinformation — news or commentary that is not accurate, reliable, or credible and that forwards the conservative agenda — every day, in real time.

So there is their mission - to fight the "conservative agenda", whatever the hell that is. Like anybody to the right of centre is some sort of monolithic block.

Using the website mediamatters.org as the principal vehicle for disseminating research and information, Media Matters posts rapid-response items as well as longer research and analytic reports documenting conservative misinformation throughout the media.

Think about high-school math for a minute, folks. 10 - 3 is the same as 10 + -3. It doesn't matter if they are "fighting the good fight" and exposing right-wing propoganda. The reality is, that by exposing only one side of the coin, and ignoring the misstatements, lies, and distortions of the left, they are still doing essentially the same thing ...... advancing thier own cause with little regard to the truth.

Additionally, Media Matters works daily to notify activists, journalists, pundits, and the general public about instances of misinformation, providing them with the resources to rebut false claims and to take direct action against offending media institutions.

See above.

Look - I don't have a problem with anybody pointing out the bullshit one side heaps on the other, or correcting distortions, half-truths, or even outright lies. It's a good thing.

But when they are so selective in *which* distortions, half-truths, or lies they point out, they loose all credibility.
 FrankNStein902
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Posted: 4/4/2011 5:59:07 AM

An assertion, and a claim - but no proof. If you've got proof, present it - but hand-wavy claims do nothing to prove or convince, and only cause people's eyes to glaze over and skip to the next topic. You only hurt your own credibility

The proof has been presented in this thread and you are free to challenge any of those claims but to come in here and say that thee is no proof of them being disingenuous is in itself being disingenuous.
 HalftimeDad
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Posted: 4/4/2011 7:55:56 AM

Think about high-school math for a minute, folks. 10 - 3 is the same as 10 + -3. It doesn't matter if they are "fighting the good fight" and exposing right-wing propoganda. The reality is, that by exposing only one side of the coin, and ignoring the misstatements, lies, and distortions of the left, they are still doing essentially the same thing ...... advancing thier own cause with little regard to the truth.

Huh?

How on earth is exposing lies to be equated with "advancing thier (sic) own cause with little regard to the truth"?

I'm starting to suspect a troll here. You claim to have spent a career in counter intelligence, yet don't know how to spell "propaganda." That's not something you're likely to get wrong if you actually have the background you claim.
 NotGorshkovAgain
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Posted: 4/4/2011 10:15:32 AM
How on earth is exposing lies to be equated with "advancing thier (sic) own cause with little regard to the truth"?

Because they are selective about which lies they expose - which implies, to somebody who is sourcing them (unless they're very, very careful), that there are no lies on the other side.

RightWing: The Sky is Red!
LeftWing: The Sky is Green!
Media Matters: We've done a study, looked at the research, and discovered that the consensus amongst Sky Scientist that the Sky is NOT, in fact, red. The RightWing lied!

Now - doesn't that imply that what the left wing said was correct? And believe me - anybody stupid enough to take what FOX says as unvarnished truth, *is* going to fall for that implication.

I stand by my claim. That's how they're advancing their own cause, without regard to the truth.


I'm starting to suspect a troll here. You claim to have spent a career in counter intelligence, yet don't know how to spell "propaganda."

First - intelligence, not counter intelligence.
Second - 8 years, not a full career.
Third - missing something in a spell check means I'm a troll?

That's not something you're likely to get wrong if you actually have the background you claim.

It is if I can't spell worth a crap.
 BigBadNIrish
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Posted: 4/4/2011 10:18:35 AM

Because they are selective about which lies they expose - which implies, to somebody who is sourcing them (unless they're very, very careful), that there are no lies on the other side.


You cannot be sugesting that conservatives are so inept as to think that their side is the only side of liars...or perhaps you are.
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 4/4/2011 4:50:50 PM
The shear volume of Fox Noise Lies is such, that it requires several full time staffers on several websites. It's a daily and hourly task to keep up, thus the lack of time to document the lefterly lies. Politifact does some of that on their Truthometering. Surely the extreme right, with their vast resources of corporate wealth, can come close to the tit for tat lie tally that Media Matters, Newshounds, and others do in the lefterly direction. What I see most often from the far reich, is pundits like Coultergeist and Malkin, attempting to do left lies patrol, but doing epic fails in presenting another level of lies. I would be open to viewing such sites from the far reich that actually address truth.
 rpl55
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Posted: 4/4/2011 5:51:33 PM
earthpuppy,

Here, from a progressive site, is an honest look at how Rachel Maddow does her daily political hack work. You will see how she lies by commission, by omission, by insinuation, and by pandering.

I've been wanting to point out how dishonest MSNBC is for some time, but without an official website to back me up (and a progressive site, at that), you would most likely have just started name-calling again.

All corporate news, especially MSNBC news and Fox news, is bullshit for true believers. The only difference I see between the two is that MSNBC viewers are generally better schooled (notice I didn't say better educated), so the lies have to be just a little more subtle.

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh040411.shtml#permalink

Enjoy.

RPL
 nipoleon
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Posted: 4/4/2011 7:26:23 PM
It isn't so much that FOX is a hack news organization.
The moneyed, power elite of every society throughout history have sought to manipulate it's public through propaganda as news.
But, FOX has succeeded in becoming so popular. Every time I find a TV in a public place, a hotel lobby, a bar, a waiting room, or someplace people congregate, if ESPN isn't on some body's stinking up the place with FOX.
FOX has managed to make itself the default news channel. Which doesn't give me much hope for the intelligence of the common American.
 rpl55
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Posted: 4/7/2011 12:18:08 PM
Okay, let's try this again.

FrankNStein902 said:


So then prove it.

Lets see your examples of the bias in the other networks.


themadfiddler said:


I would dearly love to see some examples of deliberate attempts to distort that are not clearly humour or characterizations of someone's behaviour.


latetm said:


This is a false dichotomy, when you can find an example to contrast/compare with the seemingly endless litany of substantiated disinformation (with no retractions), journalistic fraud (with no retractions) and baseless appeals to confirmation bias that constitute a pattern, please do bring it to the table.


earthpuppy said:


I would be open to viewing such sites from the far reich that actually address truth.


Really? FrankNStein902, themadfiddler, latetm, and earthpuppy? You would really be willing to look at some example of left-wing media dishonesty? Well, I just posted some.

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh040411.shtml#permalink

Are you actually willing to look, or are you just pretending?

Here is another example of MSNBC (Rachel Maddow) for you, from the same PROGRESSIVE site.

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh040611.shtml

Any comments?

Is it safe to say that those who put down others for "confirmation bias" are equally guilty of same? The answer is yes, isn't it? Or, did you already know (being free of bias and all) that MSNBC is also very dishonest? If you are free of bias, you of course noticed that about MSNBC - so why pretend that YOUR media heroes are any different? Kind of dishonest of you, don't you think?

Actually, my guess is that you aren't being dishonest - you are just incapable of seeing truth, and it is because of your own "confirmation bias," - you know, that tragic fault you seem to think only applies to conservatives. Kind of hypocritical of you, don't you think?

"False dichotomy," huh? How about a true dichotomy then. Those who constantly mention "confirmation bias" while defending the left-wing (or right-wing) media are either incapable of seeing the bias themselves (hypocrites) or, having seen the bias, deliberately ignore it (liars).

Small wonder there have been no comments addressing my previous post. All true believers are hypocrites and liars - it can be no other way. Truth is, after all, the enemy of true believers - it has always been, and always will be.

So - anybody going to grow a pair and address the Daily Howler articles? You guys said: "Lets see your examples;" "I would dearly love to see;" "please do bring it to the table," and; "I would be open to viewing such sites."

Were you guys just bluffing? Looks like like somebody called your bluff. So, are you going to be adults, and show your cards - or are you just going to storm away from the table like spoiled children?

I eagerly await your response(s).

Enjoy

RPL
 HalftimeDad
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Posted: 4/7/2011 1:18:59 PM
I followed one of the links you've posted. First, I have absolutely no idea why you think it's a "progressive" site. All they did was dump on Rachel Maddow.

Anyway, apparently she said that the press was reporting that both sides wanted to avert a government shut down. I look at American news sites, and that seems to be what is being reported. Obviously she thinks the reporting is inaccurate, as the Republican lawmakers keep playing brinksmanship. If this is the best you've got, then it's an epic fail.

A strong case can be made that the GOP is upping the ante every time the Democrats make concessions. And that, in an effort to appear even handed, the press reporting is avoiding a fair reporting of the events.

Maybe you should tell Bill O'Rielly how tides work, rather than trying to equate MSNBC and Fox.
 rpl55
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Posted: 4/7/2011 1:48:45 PM
halftimedad:

The Daily Howler is a well known and widely respected Progressive site. It is one of Glenn Greenwald's favorite sites. If you had actually read the article, rather than just following the link, you would have seen that the Howler is complaining that "our side" (the progressive side) doesn't need a Hannity, hence the reference to "Hannityization."

The article then lists Maddow's lies, and explains why they are lies, in words an eighth-grader could understand. And you say you read the article? Did you really? Is your reading comprehension that poor?

As to your childish assumption that I am a republican, as evidenced by your show "Bill O'Rielly how tides work" comment, you are mistaken. I have always been a progressive, and always will be. I see that your judgment of character is about at the same level as your reading comprehension.

Maybe you should go and actually read the article, like a grown up would, and then make a comment. That way you won't look so foolish.

RPL
 FrankNStein902
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Posted: 4/7/2011 2:43:27 PM
Really? FrankNStein902, themadfiddler, latetm, and earthpuppy? You would really be willing to look at some example of left-wing media dishonesty? Well, I just posted some.

I would no deny that there are people on both sides that display dishonesty but they are still not even comparable to Fox.

The difference being is that Racheal Madow albeit at time dishonest, is not following a company directive and repeating talking points that are also reflected on all the other shows that day.


If you want to compare show how MSNBC as a network or any other news outlet operates with the same disregard for the truth as Fox does, not just one commentator.


Show us where they edit peoples photos to make them look worse.

Show us where they changes peoples party affiliations when they have done something bad.

Show us where they flat out deny any wrong doing when called on it as a company.

Show us where they went to court over firing a couple of their staff member's because they had instructed them to only run a story that did not make Monsanto look bad and leave out truths while using the defense that they are not obligated to tell the truth.

You will find examples of Fox doing this in this thread.


I will agree that for the most part all news is BS and especially cable news but Fox takes that BS and a agenda to a whole new level.
 HalftimeDad
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Posted: 4/7/2011 2:49:09 PM
I read the article. I gave a precis of the article.

Rachel Maddow thinks that the press isn't reporting what the Republicans are doing to scuttle any budget deal. You have to get into the minutiae of her mentioning an article and not saying that it was written a month earlier to even get close to saying she was "lying". It's largely irrelevant to the actual thrust of her editorial comment.

I saw buried in a story I was reading today that the Republicans had changed their demands from 33 billion in cuts to 40 billion in cuts once they got the 33 billion. That's what Maddow was complaining about in the coverage.
 4rumninja
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Posted: 4/8/2011 5:09:18 AM
Why is it that the narrative about the budget has boiled down to cuts ..when the Democrats had control of both Houses and the Presidency and failed to pass a Budget?
 IgorFrankensteen
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Posted: 4/8/2011 5:41:39 AM
Because the budget they are fussing about now, is the one for the year AFTER the Republicans gained control of the House. The Republicans have different ideas about the money, and so they are the ones holding the budget up now. When the Dems had the same sort of partial power in the past, then THEY held the budget hostage to politics. It's all part of the dumber side of how we run our government.
 IgorFrankensteen
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Posted: 4/8/2011 6:01:10 AM
There are tons of posts here from people who appear to think that if they can point to any one (or even more) inaccuracies in a given "news" source, or in a given poster's writing, that they have therefore proved that EVERYTHING from that source is false. Others believe that if someone in a news organization also VOTES, that their voting behaviors prove that they are biased, and therefore not to be trusted by the other side.
I come from a background of studying history, where we learn a number of things that these folks are obviously not aware of, or have not properly integrated into what they are trying to accomplish with their arguments. When doing a legitimate study of history (including the history happening right now), the historian has to keep in mind that ALL sources have biases, whether intentional or not. Getting caught up in being outraged that one or more of your sources has "feet of clay," wont allow you to complete your investigation, and will not actually help you in any way, to get to the true core of things.
I still contend that Fox is all about profits, and in that sense are no different from MSNBC, or any of the rest of the major "news" businesses. It has been my observation that Fox is much more blatant about their prejudices, and much sloppier about letting their people push slanted agendas (mislabeling videos and political affiliations of wrong-doers) than the other news businesses are.
The recent jettisoning of Beck looks like a good case in point: Fox isn't getting rid of him because he'e been so irresponsible, or inaccurate, or insane. They are getting rid of him because his ratings have fallen off.
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Posted: 4/9/2011 2:17:24 AM
I don't care *how* far left or right you are - you have *got* to watch The Daily Report with John Stewart for 4/7 for an absolutely hilarious parody of Beck's show.
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Posted: 4/9/2011 3:30:59 AM
I must agree with notgoshokovagain.. THAT was a classic Stewart piece. He is going to miss the Beckerneck.
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Posted: 4/10/2011 11:26:15 AM
FrankNStein902 said:


I will agree that for the most part all news is BS and especially cable news but Fox takes that BS and a agenda to a whole new level.


I agree completely - Fox is the standard bearer for blatant dishonesty in broadcasting. But remember, Fox only has to be as clever as their viewership - the lies that are obvious to you and I often pass unnoticed by Fox viewers. Progressive liars use a little more subtlety than that.

HalftimeDad said:


I read the article. I gave a precis of the article.


You read the second, follow-up article, and missed the point entirely.

IgorFrankensteen said:


There are tons of posts here from people who appear to think that if they can point to any one (or even more) inaccuracies in a given "news" source, or in a given poster's writing, that they have therefore proved that EVERYTHING from that source is false.


I call bullshit. I have not seen that at all, except from a couple of Fox bashers. I think you assume too much. Not everyone is like you.

By the way, the articles I linked to in a prior post indicate a pattern of deliberate lying, not "inaccuracies."

IgorFrankensteen said:


It has been my observation that Fox is much more blatant about their prejudices, and much sloppier about letting their people push slanted agendas (mislabeling videos and political affiliations of wrong-doers) than the other news businesses are.


Absolutely true. Fox is definitely the worst. See my response to Frank above. I cannot defend Fox - they are indefensible, in my opinion.

My point (apart from providing examples, as some of you requested), is that "for the most part all news is BS," as Frank said. That applies to MSNBC, CNN, CBS, ABC, and NBC, as well as to Fox.

FrankNStein902 said:


Show us where they went to court over firing a couple of their staff member's because they had instructed them to only run a story that did not make Monsanto look bad and leave out truths while using the defense that they are not obligated to tell the truth.


Can't do that. But I can show you where and how "they" (MSNBC, CNN, and NBC) instructed their staff to not run stories critical of the Bush regime during the run-up to the Iraq war, and how "they" block information not in their corporate interest, and otherwise control the news that we see, and don't see, from "their" corporate offices.

And I can show you how "they" (MSNBC) canceled "their" number one rated show (Donohue) and fired it's host for telling the truth about Bush and his neocon stooges - because it might harm their corporate image. Other reporters were also fired for telling the truth.

Here's the headline:

"CNN/MSNBC reporter: Corporate executives forced pro-Bush, pro-war narrative"

Here's the story, from 2008:

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2008/05/29/yellin/print.html

Not as blatantly in-your-face as Fox, of course - it doesn't need to be. But the overall picture given by all the MSM is just as heavily distorted - the intellectual level of the lies isn't really relevant, in my opinion. All it shows is that corporate marketers know their audience.

Enjoy

RPL
 IgorFrankensteen
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Posted: 4/10/2011 4:44:49 PM
Well done RPL!

The only "excuse" I have for my apparent misstatement you pointed out, is that when I said "here," I was including the entire forums, but didn't specify that. I also did not mean to say that EVERY ONE does it, but it is a popular (false) act of pseudo-reasoning.
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