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 BLUEMISS
Joined: 7/15/2007
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There was just an article in the Globe and Mail, stating that women make better grades in school, but get paid lower wages, for doing the same work men do. So why should the men not be made to pay higher child support, if they are able?Life is clearly NOT fair!
You don't want your woman to walk off with your wealth...marry money...simple!
And keep your****in your pants!
 CoolBreezez
Joined: 8/20/2006
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Posted: 9/10/2010 10:45:46 AM
Honestly no matter what you say I do care about allot of men who have been screwed and the women who were screwed too ... I have meet allot of both and it has gone both ways lots of times.


Oh Savona - if other get to rant why can't I?


It's just so easy to pull out that broad brush and paint every person or situation as the same. It also seems to get the most response here too.

Back on topic- I think everyone here is trying and struggling with the concept of "fair".
Really there are many different kinds of issues of fairness and justice in a case like this and most others.

1. Tiger was bad and should be punished- same as average Joe/Jane. However to do this you would have to take an astronomical amount of money from him. Does he deserve this for doing something not really illegal but still hurtful? Just how hurt is she? Most here agree that he screwed up, needs to make amends and get stung for bad behavior.

2. Elin should be rewarded or compensated. So in a divorce case the idea would to give that money to Elin. But really- does she "need" or "deserve" this much? I would say no.
But his punishment is her reward. Again unbalanced incomes make this hard.

3. Should the courts try to decide what is fair based on facts, accusations and hurts? That's an extremely hard job ,very time consuming, expensive and open to opinion. Much of it would be on the taxpayers dime too. I would say this type of case can only be afforded by the wealthy and the cost should be borne by the parties involved. But this smacks of two tier justice then doesn't it?

3. For the public, at this time men still generally make more than women, despite education. Should this be factored into divorce? I would say it should be done on a case by case basis.

4. Should there be one set of rules for all regarding the split? I think thats being attempted now but its still messy.

5. Should children get compensated from the non custodial parent to meet basic needs or put them into a life style similar to the better off spouse? Does this need to be decreed by law or just agreed upon?

6. Does a spouse who does not work, stays home to care for the kids and household deserve more money from the supporting spouse in the event of a breakup? I would say yes at least for a few years to get on their feet.
But as the case of Evil here, what if stay at home thing was only suppose to be until the kids went to school, then back into the work force? Does the working spouse have legal grounds for compensation if the partner reneges on the deal? Is divorce with a even split fair in this situation? Again hard- messy situation. You would need to have written intent to prove it in court. Getting someone to sign it during a marriage would kind of be awkward wouldn't it?

Divorce is a messy situation, best avoided but this just isn't possible with fallible humans involved. What I think is required is a low cost and quick way to finish it, with some balance of fairness but not necessarily perfect, which doesn't really exist. This could be supplemented by exit therapy so people could learn to move on with their lives.
I'll offer up my guy threapy plan for the men. For the ladies you'll have to come up with something. lol- could be a booming business.
 Delete_Me_Please
Joined: 11/10/2009
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Posted: 9/10/2010 2:49:49 PM

According to the definition they had already agreed who got what if they divorced.......she stayed after she asked for more........then she left.......gold digger.

Nobody knows for sure if the final settlement was more than the original prenup and, if it was, nobody knows if she asked for more or if he volunteered more.
 Lint Spotter
Joined: 8/27/2009
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Posted: 9/11/2010 12:27:35 PM
I do believe you are being deliberately thick


Nope just having fun.
It's difficult if not downright impossible to have a decent debate with someone that states they are misinterpreting others for their own amusement...

Or in another, though less notable instance from another poster, issuing ad hominem insults as part of their debate tactics.

Its nothing more than should be expected on these forums though. Topic be damned... let's have a little fun here...
 Lint Spotter
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Posted: 9/12/2010 5:43:25 PM

Not to worry, I'll be leaving POF shortly for good, then the ladies can have a "ding dong the warlocks dead" moment of kumbya!
You give yourself too much credit... there might be a couple of snickers and a passing shrug from some women on here, but for the most part you'll just fade away like the rest of the misogynists that have passed through...
 Lint Spotter
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Posted: 9/13/2010 11:40:57 AM

Interesting how the term mysogeny and mysogenist are often bandied about IRL and on the forums but misandry and misandric are terms not often referred to - could it be that women are more vocal about their labels and name calling than men... I am sure there are a sufficent number of man haters out there to be counted.
You're absolutely correct... I'm sure that there are a number of misandrics on here. Though I disagree with your speculation as to why we see the term misosgynist more often... and it's reason is somewhat displayed by the word Misandry being capitalized... he copied and pasted it from some other place on the internet after looking it up... otherwise it wouldn't be capitalized.
 Lint Spotter
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Posted: 9/13/2010 1:14:33 PM

Now you see Ray of, what I meant by "one poster", she attributes alot to my statements and accuses ME of personal attacks, but it's OK for her.

After all she is a woman, incapable of wrong! Hahahahaha!!

Like I said earlier hypocrisy.
I disagree with this being a display of hypocrisy. His diction and verbiage use are not indicative of him using such words in normal conversation. Furthermore, at no point in this or any other thread have I accused someone of being an animal of any sort whereas you have.

Hypocrisy… I think not. Simply stating the obvious.

As for being wrong... when I am, I'll admit it...
 Pingshooter
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Posted: 9/13/2010 3:52:40 PM


Not to worry, I'll be leaving POF shortly for good, then the ladies can have a "ding dong the warlocks dead" moment of kumbya!

You give yourself too much credit... there might be a couple of snickers and a passing shrug from some women on here, but for the most part you'll just fade away like the rest of the misogynists that have passed through...


________ just pawn in game of life."
 BLUEMISS
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Posted: 9/14/2010 6:30:29 AM
The big head did make the decision.He just let the little head carry it out...or ...
 Lint Spotter
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Posted: 9/14/2010 7:19:06 AM

That's 100% of the issue being discussed. IF you make a contract, you should live by the terms. Now it's common knowledge there was a prenup.
You're forgetting the marriage contract that he broke prior to her breaking the prenuptual agreement. Technically, he was in breach of contract first...
 ItsMargo
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Posted: 9/14/2010 10:19:02 AM

If the 2 parties agreed to 20 milion, why is SHE changing the terms unilaterally?

I've been watching this thread but haven't posted because in general I agree with Evil's line of thinking: If you made a contract (prenup) I feel you ought to stick to it. But people are blending the circumstances of the renegotiation. It was renegotiated at the time of them attempting to reconcile and save their marriage. Tiger's transgressions were well known at this time and - at least in the media - this renegotiation was to "continue the marriage" not to "end it".

When I heard she was reopening it to "stay together", the cynic in me thought "yeah, likely to stay together until the ink on the new contract is dry". And that's the rub for me and I doubt we have any way of discovering "the truth". The bottom line for is is this: WAS it renegotiated in good faith?

Did she say, "OK, we're going at this again and trying to work it out, but now - given all of this cheating - the circumstances of our relationship have changed, so we need a new deal?"

That's fair stance, you know. It IS fair to renegotiate a marriage contract (prenupt). Especially when circumstances change. If the other party doesn't agree, you suck it up and continue along OR end the marriage under the terms of the existing agreement. Tiger did agree to the new agreement. Did he agree, hoping they would be able to work it out, did he agree knowing it was a lost cause? He certainly had very little negotiating room and accepting the changes was the only way to try to work things out. Was Elin playing fair at this point? Don't know.

But they did renegotiate, they did agree to the new terms. The issue of whether Elin is a golddigger or seeking revenge - for me - comes down to did she renegotiate "in good faith" intending to continue and repair the relationship or was it a money grab? Could be either way.
 ItsMargo
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Posted: 9/15/2010 5:15:24 AM
^^ Because Tiger AGREED to open it up and renegotiate the prenup in order to have Elin stay and attempt to work out their issues. When they (or Elin) decided they couldn't resolve things, the new prenup was triggered. It seems to me the prenup worked just fine in this divorce.
 ohwhynot46
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Posted: 9/21/2010 6:45:28 PM
So many factors affect the "divorce rate" that the only logical conclusion I can come to is who cares?!! Statistics are fairly meaningless, distribution only somewhat less so.

As far as the original question, well, even that, a "Big settlement" for whom? Who cares? I didn't get a "settlement" at all, not one penny exchanged hands (unless of course, you include the monies he withdrew from our joint account) and neither did anyone I know who has gotten divorced, not one single person. What is your point, op?
 brunediddy
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Posted: 9/22/2010 8:08:28 AM
Bottom line...is a 100 million enough for her to survive on?

What about 20 million? What about 5 million? What would you do if you "only" got an extra ONE million dollars tomorrow?

I know people who were involved in serious motor vehicle accidents, lost loved ones due to negligence, including my own sister who was permanently paralyzed with a brain injury. What about people injured in the armed forces, coming home to nothing after losing a leg in some hell hole for us all just so we can sit around and get fat arguing about tiger screwing around with****ail wairesses and pornstars??

Many people recieve only a fraction of a hundred million dollars...or even nothing at all for far greater "injuries" than infidelity.

AGAIN is 100 million dollars enough for her to survive on?

End of discussion.
 CoolBreezez
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Posted: 9/22/2010 5:41:14 PM
In my books if the punishment will not significantly affect the persons lifestyle then it is not much of a deterrant or punishment and can be viewed as a slap on the wrist.


See this in interesting- viewing Tigers indiscretions as a "crime" and a need for "punishment". If this were truly a crime in the legal sense, it is viewed as a wrong doing against the state, society and law. In some jurisdictions it is against the law, but not really enforced, and others it is not illegal. This is more of civil action, as in a wrong done against another person, in this case his wife.

So how much money does Tiger have to give Elin to make it "right"? How much should Tiger "suffer"? Those are highly theoretical questions. On such a enormous scale, it is very hard to decide.

Contrast this against OJ for instance. He could not be found guilt of murder because the burden of proof was too high for criminal justice to be conclusive on a conviction. But in civil court there was enough proof of wrongdoing and so the settlement to his ex's parents was enough to completely bankrupt him. That cost him about 30 million. Was justice serviced in this case? Did he hurt enough? I would say no. Did her parents deserve it ? Maybe but they'll never get her back.

In many instances of life, things are not fair nor can they ever be made to be fair, especially depending on each persons point of view. All we can do is try to make things as even as possible and move on. Tiger and Elin settled their dispute rather quickly so I would say neither went away too happy or too unhappy. Looking at it from an overall view, the whole issue is about as fair as it could possibly be.
 AlbertaBeef
Joined: 9/13/2010
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Posted: 9/22/2010 8:13:02 PM
That chick just married him to get the $$$. She knew he'd cheat, so she figured hey, what's a few years of giving him sex? It's a legal form of prostitution. Besides, why should she get anything? He made all the money, she just wrote a check to the Nanny.
 ItsMargo
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Posted: 9/23/2010 8:38:53 AM
The reason I say this is the same average Joe could be a straight arrow and still loose 50% in a divorce.
Matter of fact with the current laws she could not work at all cheat and still walk away with half. Where is the Justice in that?

Every system has flaws and that's the big one with no-fault divorce. You get an easier and less costly divorce as things aren't tied up in court for so long but the downside is punishment is no longer a factor.

Edit to add: Silly evil, divorce is never about 'justice'.
 ItsMargo
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Posted: 9/26/2010 6:48:06 AM

A friend is taking a course to continue her counseling license. They gave statistics that show that after divorce, on average ( AVERAGE to you women who insist that you are superwomen and above all of this) on average, following divorce, women are 70% poorer and men are 45% richer.

That study was flawed, a problem in its tabulation methodology that skewed the results - huge controversy. I'm shocked is is still being used in courses. The study was by Weitzman (published in 80's on data from the 70's) and had a much bigger gap than any other study has ever produced. The error was corrected, work redone and the results were much closer together: 27% decline for women and 10% decline for men on average. Note that both genders declined. High income earning women did not experience as high of a decline and lower income women had a higher than average decline. Women were still poorer than men after divorce (suspect they were also, on average, poorer before marriage too) so your point is valid. My personal bug-a-boo about this one is the original study was used to determine child support rates in Ontario, but the rates weren't revisited when the flaw in the data was proven and results retabulated.
 CoolBreezez
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Posted: 9/26/2010 6:24:18 PM
Nice Point Margo^^^

I read up on the new findings- seems like the numbers were backwards and should have been the women made 70% of their previous income, not lost 70%. I could see where men in the 80's and 90's say they got hosed for support although many accepted it as fair. Maybe someday this could be remedied but I don't think its fair that anybody get bankrupted in a divorce. I could also see this as a tricky thing to figure out how "wealthy" someone is before and after divorce.

Margo's figures make more sense due to the fact of maintaining two households is more expensive than one. The3y also speak to the fact that women generally make less than men so the loss of wealth even if equal in amount is proportionally higher for the women.

In Tiger's case, he is now out about 10% of his total wealth. In Elins case, it depends on how you look at it. She lost quite a bit if you assumed she was half of Tigers worth while married. If you look at it from what she had before they got married then her life has been vastly enriched. Neither situation is really reflective of her before and after state and Tigers enormous wealthy makes it hard to gauge.

But really- neither are poor or living on the streets and have enough money to pass on fortunes to future generations of relatives. Both have been exceptionally lucky- after all there are only like a thousand known billionaires on this entire planet of near 7 billion people.
Their experiences share few commonalities with the average person. We can draw little if any lessons from their experiences.
 ItsMargo
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Posted: 9/27/2010 6:15:05 PM

Different study.

What study? Seriously, I haven't seen another study that had results like that and if one exists, I'd love to take a look at it. Which is why I immediately assumed it was Weitzman's study resurfacing, as it does on a fairly regular basis.

http://antimisandry.com/why-were-here/feminist-sociologist-academic-named-lenore-weitzman-created-myth-13692.html

http://www.acbr.com/biglie.htm


"What does she have to prove?" I can't say. You may have nothing.

Suffice to say research is a fairly big part of my job, so methodology isn't mumbo jumbo. Have nothing to prove and no vested interest. The 70% rate is incorrect and I respect research enough not to want bad studies floated around. There's more than enough room to be critical of the system without using bad numbers to make a point.
 CoolBreezez
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Posted: 9/27/2010 6:16:10 PM

First it shows if you have enough money you can get out of marriage without giving up 50%.


True enough- but then again there's that rich thing jumpin' out there- suppose its no marriage or standard prenups for us poor folk. Life's not fair I tell ya!


... provide some links to these studies so that everyone else can read them for themselves? After all, if she's a serious student, one would think that wouldn't be difficult, right?


Or you could do a few searches like I did.........Google is your friend...... took about 5-10 minutes. It's actually faster than arguing sometimes, especially on an Internet forum...but hey ....where's the fun in that?
 CoolBreezez
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Posted: 9/28/2010 3:32:05 AM

Me and my ex did up ours for less than $2000.oo it was a small price to pay for peace of mind for both of us.


It's a good way to go especially for couples bringing a fair amount of stuff they accumulated prior to getting hooked up. Anything to limit those billable hours from lawyers.


Colour me lazy. If someone wants to spout off about "research" and "theories" and blah-blah "my psychologist friend says" crapola to evidently back up the opinions they themselves are espousing....

...I kind of expect them to do the legwork for me, to give credence to said crapola to explain themselves.


Yep thats the way it should happen. My advise was for the previous poster with the psychologist friend. I do lots of researching for my job too so its my usual method to try to get to the truth in a issue. Beats "my friend told me".

Guess we all use the methods we're familar with in an arguement/discussion- some argue, some research and some psychoanalyse. Always makes it interesting and pretty lively to boot.
 ItsMargo
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Posted: 9/28/2010 5:56:35 AM

If she is saying that it is a different study, how does that threaten the study that you have referenced? Hmmmm.

No threat at all, I am curious. I don't believe I have questioned your motives and even said the point was valid, even where I disagreed with the numbers used.
 ItsMargo
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Posted: 9/28/2010 7:36:15 PM
I don't know how long it is for cohabitation in BC now; when I lived there it was one year. Plus BC is whack compared with other provinces when it comes to property division for co-habitation as they do include property.
 mrcs84
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Posted: 9/29/2010 9:25:17 AM

Zekestone just so you don't go around thinking wikipedia is always the gospel truth here is their own disclaimer I copied from their site


You obviously ignored when Zekestone said this:


Wikipedia is getting their info from the BC Family Relations Act which defines a "Spouse" as:
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