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 ItsMargo
Joined: 4/24/2007
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A friend is taking a course to continue her counseling license. They gave statistics that show that after divorce, on average ( AVERAGE to you women who insist that you are superwomen and above all of this) on average, following divorce, women are 70% poorer and men are 45% richer.

That study was flawed, a problem in its tabulation methodology that skewed the results - huge controversy. I'm shocked is is still being used in courses. The study was by Weitzman (published in 80's on data from the 70's) and had a much bigger gap than any other study has ever produced. The error was corrected, work redone and the results were much closer together: 27% decline for women and 10% decline for men on average. Note that both genders declined. High income earning women did not experience as high of a decline and lower income women had a higher than average decline. Women were still poorer than men after divorce (suspect they were also, on average, poorer before marriage too) so your point is valid. My personal bug-a-boo about this one is the original study was used to determine child support rates in Ontario, but the rates weren't revisited when the flaw in the data was proven and results retabulated.
 CoolBreezez
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Posted: 9/26/2010 6:24:18 PM
Nice Point Margo^^^

I read up on the new findings- seems like the numbers were backwards and should have been the women made 70% of their previous income, not lost 70%. I could see where men in the 80's and 90's say they got hosed for support although many accepted it as fair. Maybe someday this could be remedied but I don't think its fair that anybody get bankrupted in a divorce. I could also see this as a tricky thing to figure out how "wealthy" someone is before and after divorce.

Margo's figures make more sense due to the fact of maintaining two households is more expensive than one. The3y also speak to the fact that women generally make less than men so the loss of wealth even if equal in amount is proportionally higher for the women.

In Tiger's case, he is now out about 10% of his total wealth. In Elins case, it depends on how you look at it. She lost quite a bit if you assumed she was half of Tigers worth while married. If you look at it from what she had before they got married then her life has been vastly enriched. Neither situation is really reflective of her before and after state and Tigers enormous wealthy makes it hard to gauge.

But really- neither are poor or living on the streets and have enough money to pass on fortunes to future generations of relatives. Both have been exceptionally lucky- after all there are only like a thousand known billionaires on this entire planet of near 7 billion people.
Their experiences share few commonalities with the average person. We can draw little if any lessons from their experiences.
 ItsMargo
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Posted: 9/27/2010 6:15:05 PM

Different study.

What study? Seriously, I haven't seen another study that had results like that and if one exists, I'd love to take a look at it. Which is why I immediately assumed it was Weitzman's study resurfacing, as it does on a fairly regular basis.

http://antimisandry.com/why-were-here/feminist-sociologist-academic-named-lenore-weitzman-created-myth-13692.html

http://www.acbr.com/biglie.htm


"What does she have to prove?" I can't say. You may have nothing.

Suffice to say research is a fairly big part of my job, so methodology isn't mumbo jumbo. Have nothing to prove and no vested interest. The 70% rate is incorrect and I respect research enough not to want bad studies floated around. There's more than enough room to be critical of the system without using bad numbers to make a point.
 CoolBreezez
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Posted: 9/27/2010 6:16:10 PM

First it shows if you have enough money you can get out of marriage without giving up 50%.


True enough- but then again there's that rich thing jumpin' out there- suppose its no marriage or standard prenups for us poor folk. Life's not fair I tell ya!


... provide some links to these studies so that everyone else can read them for themselves? After all, if she's a serious student, one would think that wouldn't be difficult, right?


Or you could do a few searches like I did.........Google is your friend...... took about 5-10 minutes. It's actually faster than arguing sometimes, especially on an Internet forum...but hey ....where's the fun in that?
 CoolBreezez
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Posted: 9/28/2010 3:32:05 AM

Me and my ex did up ours for less than $2000.oo it was a small price to pay for peace of mind for both of us.


It's a good way to go especially for couples bringing a fair amount of stuff they accumulated prior to getting hooked up. Anything to limit those billable hours from lawyers.


Colour me lazy. If someone wants to spout off about "research" and "theories" and blah-blah "my psychologist friend says" crapola to evidently back up the opinions they themselves are espousing....

...I kind of expect them to do the legwork for me, to give credence to said crapola to explain themselves.


Yep thats the way it should happen. My advise was for the previous poster with the psychologist friend. I do lots of researching for my job too so its my usual method to try to get to the truth in a issue. Beats "my friend told me".

Guess we all use the methods we're familar with in an arguement/discussion- some argue, some research and some psychoanalyse. Always makes it interesting and pretty lively to boot.
 ItsMargo
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Posted: 9/28/2010 5:56:35 AM

If she is saying that it is a different study, how does that threaten the study that you have referenced? Hmmmm.

No threat at all, I am curious. I don't believe I have questioned your motives and even said the point was valid, even where I disagreed with the numbers used.
 ItsMargo
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Posted: 9/28/2010 7:36:15 PM
I don't know how long it is for cohabitation in BC now; when I lived there it was one year. Plus BC is whack compared with other provinces when it comes to property division for co-habitation as they do include property.
 mrcs84
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Posted: 9/29/2010 9:25:17 AM

Zekestone just so you don't go around thinking wikipedia is always the gospel truth here is their own disclaimer I copied from their site


You obviously ignored when Zekestone said this:


Wikipedia is getting their info from the BC Family Relations Act which defines a "Spouse" as:
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