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 Ideoform
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"Militant vegans has that emaciated look. There were two on the forums here who were "bible thumping" their beliefs and they both look like pushovers we beat up in junior high school."


WHO you lookin at? Anyway, is this a threat???
 Padawan61
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Posted: 9/10/2010 11:20:40 PM
Militant vegans has that emaciated look. There were two on the forums here who were "bible thumping" their beliefs and they both look like pushovers we beat up in junior high school


WHO you lookin at? Anyway, is this a threat???

Consider it how you would. The OP in the following thread was one ... VVVVVVV

http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts13838748.aspx

There was another ... but he may have split.

^^Oh good grief, he could not beat anybody up.........or down

I suppose not when you're a "few extra pounds".

I suppose not when you're a "few extra pounds"


I'm also a few extra inches too!

No sure how to interpret that. But if it is what I think it is ... *shudder*!! VVVVVVV
 moraima
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Posted: 9/11/2010 11:02:18 AM
"A vegetarian who eats meat is more than likely a "flexitarian." Most true vegetarians don't turn their vegetarianism "on" and "off" when it's convenient. "

So a person like my friend who has been a vegetarian for 16 years, "gets" that in a third world country vegetarian meals are not readily available, and has the nerve to eat gift meat dishes looses her stats with certain vegetarians. Just like the s/o that must comply with people like the OP. Interesting.


Basic canned dog/cat food and kibble uses dead animals. Ask the farmers who haul dead animals to the end of their lane to be picked up days later by the standard dog companies.

"Zoonotic infections from eating undercooked or raw animal flesh are public health issues. Furthermore, slaughterhouses sometimes have problems with Shigella or Listeria after processing slaughtered animals."

Of course, it can be an issue due to poor hygiene in any mass production meat or vegetable processing facility. Same goes for poor hygiene in kitchen preparation.

Anyone interested in the reality of safely feeding raw meat and bones to their animals, please check out Dr.Ian Billinghurst.

If pet owners know how to buy safe frozen raw meat and bones to pets, they pick up human grade meat and bones for trusted suppliers of human grade meat. The secret is to know your supplies, make sure that all meat is flash frozen, and serve it to pets only when it is immediately defrosted. I find it harder to get organic vegetables to add to their diet (20%) in the winter, than to get a safe raw meat supply.

Certainly that can be disease in either vegetables or meat purchased, shown by the constant news reports of recalls of products. No eating meat is no protection from tainted food.

Bottom line of this thread is that some people demand an s/0 comply with their livestyle while others live their lives comfortable accepting the lifestyle of their s/0.

Interesting that OP at 23 has had no problem with s/o complying with her diet requirements. Should be interesting to see how much of an issue it is after decades of s/0's.

ps. What do you feed kitty? How do you deal with kitty's diet requirements?
 Padawan61
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Posted: 9/11/2010 12:02:53 PM
And lastly, whilst simultaneously trying to convince us that vegetarians are all getting a beat down in junior high, it’s probably not a good idea to use graphics of teeny tiny peni$e$ to try and make your point – or any other point in fact. That image ain't gonna invoke any kinda peni$ envy........

Just sayin’

Wonder how "all" got into the discussion?? Must be that protein deficiency in a veggie brain. Perhaps a certain vegan was beaten up in junior high and is now hypersensitive about the ordeal to mention her few extra inches. Tiny wienie image was to emphasize female chest thumping about those extra inches. It wasn't envy of any sort or to invoke envy ... but rather a shudder of revulsion at "what lies beneath" ... if you know what I mean.

Just sayin'

I submit that the article is slanted and false data. Any male who fllows that philisophical diet will pay dearly in near instant drops in GH and testosterone

I interpret that as the aforementioned emaciated look of some vegan males. My god ... they're becoming anorexic women!!
 moraima
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Posted: 9/11/2010 12:28:29 PM
"Anyone interested in the reality of feeding raw meat and bones should review the policy statement by the Canadian Veterinary Association. "

As many of my close friends are traditional vets or researcher, I am well aware that the Veterinary Association is behind the times, but starting to chase up.

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Animal Health and Food Laboratories at the University of Guelph regularly conducts baseline studies on the pathogens found in carcasses at slaughter (in Ontario). This is why veterinarians and microbiologists are employed at abbatoirs to perform post-mortems. "

If the system is working so well, why are there still problems in this area? Why the recalls of meat products.

Since you read U of G studies, did you read the studies done on anbiotics now present in grains and vegetable. I erased it from my computer, did will ask the person from U of G who sent it to me, if she still has a copy on her computer.

I have to question how vegetarians feel their diet is so healthy when veggies now contain antibotics and grow hormones from fertilization of the plants.

Guess OP doesn't want to address how she may learn further as she ages when future s/o's who are compliant to her diet are harder and harder to find, and what kitty's diet is.
 moraima
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Posted: 9/11/2010 1:05:32 PM
"Stating that the CVA is "behind the times" is not a refutation of facts behind their policy statement. Now that's just a cop-out........"

Oh please. If you know anything about CVA or OVC you would know that it takes years to change policies and educational material. A political organization who watches it's funding like any big business.

Tell that to the vet's that work iwth CVA/OVC and watch them smile or get a disgusted look on their faces.

"Did you know that an animal cannot grow healthy tissue or rear it's young without growth hormones? "

Only reason for growth hormones is to product more food faster, same as fertilizer in veggies.

ps Are you saying that antibiotic and varies diseases are not found in veggies.?
 Ideoform
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Posted: 9/11/2010 1:28:59 PM

Ideoform: "For the other people they might be cooking for.
Often this is fair compromise to the meat eaters."


Zebra Circle: With all due respect, I don't buy that. There is a strictly vegetarian/vegan restaurant here in town where the bulk of the customers are strictly vegetarian/vegans. On the menu is a reuban sandwich, a Philly cheese "steak," a McDonald's "chicken" McNugget sandwich, and other fare -- all designed to taste like the real thing.
If your clientele are mainly vegetarian/vegans, why offer meatless items that look and taste like meat?
For a vegetarian, I can see that it offers them something to help soothe their yearning for those days when they used to enjoy meat. But for a vegan who is disgusted by meat and the sight of meat, I don't get it."


A lot of vegetarians date people who are not vegetarians, have children and family that are not vegetarians, and many of us don't want to seem so "different." Successful restaurants offer a place for people who have different diets, and who share ties and love and community, to also share food.
Food is such an important issue in our lives that appearing to eat meat in a mainly meat-eating culture is something some people desire and are willing to pay for. Vegetarians are not all alike, and apply different standards and ideas relating to the food they eat. The Label of Vegetarian doesn't really tell you all that much, except as a starting point for conversation or getting to know them.

I'm not convinced that you are really wanting to "get it" whatever "it" is.

You are making the assumption that vegetarians who have sensory issues with the appearance, taste, texture, or smell of raw meat have had the same problem with cooked meat prepared in the ways the vegetarian restaurant does (when or if they did eat meat before.)

Raw meat looks just like how any living body, including ours, might look after being butchered. Some people have pretty graphic imaginations, and with this image in the mind, it might be difficult for them to have an appetite for it. Apparently, from what I can tell, men seem to have a built-in protection from this problem, since successful men in the past have had to hunt, kill and prepare animals for food in order to survive. So fewer men seem to have this reason for eating less meat. Women required empathy to raise children, which requires sympathy and a good imagination for how other living things different from one's self (like a tiny child is different from adults.)

For people who have good imaginations, a lot of empathic feelings, the ideas of vegetarianism can be very compelling once they hear them. So even if they like meat sandwiches, they might still prefer the imitation version to the real thing.

Our current culture has made it possible for us to be very separated from our food production. This helped us to industrialize, develop cities, art and cultural activities. Years ago, almost 90% of Americans were farmers. So people were able to become desensitized to the process of slaughter for food as children by observing how animals were slaughtered. Today, for most of us, a package of hot dogs is the same as a package of carrots, is the same as a package of Twinkies to our children.

A child raised on a farm might be able to see the full process of how food comes to be food, and learn to be ok with that, because they know how the food was raised. However, we don't know where our food comes from anymore, and sometimes it is even considered unusual to even think much about where food comes from besides the activity of purchasing the end product in packages in the store.

For me, Vegetarianism is a step in a process of learning about where our food comes from and what that means.

I think it is imporant to think about because we are what we eat, and we cannot ignore how things that are essential to our survival are made and brought to us for purchase.
 moraima
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Posted: 9/11/2010 2:34:32 PM
"both of those articles are referring to raw bones, not cooked bones.
They describe chokings that occurred with raw bones. Here is a quote from the Science-Based Medicine article I included in the previous post. "

The quotes from Science-Base Medicine article on animals who have impacted bowel with kibble are available for you to look at.

"they are all "hormones." My point being - you cannot eat animal flesh without consuming the hormones that are in the animal - naturally - they are produced, for the most part, in the pituitary gland of the animal."

Have you ever seen the ever popular chickens produced for fasts food chains that are stuffed full of growth hormones to the point that their breasts are so large that their legs can't support the weight of their breast and are malformed to the point they can't walk? Natural you say?

Natural that all this garbage gets into veggies. Sadly it is part of some people diet and they don't want to hear about issue their diet has.

As OP is only interested in pushing her comply agenda, and isn't answering questions about issue raised by other posts I have to assume she is indeed only interested part of the vegetarian issue.

I can and you can post research that will disagree with each other points.

I still see you are dodging the issue of antibotics etc. which end up in veggies. Enjoy the dodging.

A balanced look at the OP (what it is actually about), and a balance look at life works for me.
 moraima
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Posted: 9/11/2010 4:39:43 PM
"Please feel free to quote those statements in the article back to me. I did not see any mention of that in the article whatsoever. "

What not ever once research the other side of the coin? I am surprised.


Do your own research if you dare to look at research whichs pokes holes in what you are saying. My guess is you would dismiss anything that doesn't agree with your point.

"Your example of KFC broilers is actually an excellent motivation to become vegetarian."

Still won't anwer about the antibiotic gets into veggies I see. Smoke and mirrors to fool?.............themselves?


Never met a vet who hasn't dealt with animals with kibble impacted issues. Try asking them.

This post is about vegetarians cooking meat for their s/o. I have meet and been friends with many vegetarians. Most are easy going people, who don't want to change the world. People who have travelled to other cultures and know how to handle living in the real world.

Not hard to see who can only tolerate only one way of thinking. Must be a lot of hard work convincing themselves that theirs is the only logic. Lonely at the top. Talk about conflict of interst if they ever question themselves or actually accept any view that doesn't match theirs. Research is out of the question, just as OP hasn't listened to one vegetarian who doesn't make s/0 comply.

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Posted: 9/12/2010 6:02:24 AM
a friend of mine used to visit for a weekend. he knew i wouldn't cook any meat for him, but he loved bacon. so i told him he could go ahead and cook his bacon, provided he made enough to share with the cats.

well, after a few visits, the cats made the association. it got to the point where they would attach their noses to him from the minute he walked in the door. they would follow him from room to room until, finally, he would cook the bacon. it made everyone quite happy
 DoubleParked
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Posted: 9/12/2010 10:56:45 AM
Just a comment on choosing to eat vegetarian. My sister gave me this insight: her daughter is a vegetarian and it occurred to her one day that it wasn't so much that meat was revolting to her or any of that, but that she didn't know how to cook! (She's in her early 30s) The 'Raw Food Movement' comes to mind. Need I say more?
 Ideoform
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Posted: 9/12/2010 3:34:37 PM
Zebra: "And if we're going to make theories about why we do things due to some archaic behaviors from our cavemen days that supposedly carry over to today, then denying meat is against our biological urges. We're meat eaters, darn it! We have the teeth to prove it. So put that in your anthropological basket and stuff it, baby!"


Hmmm, (rummaging around in my anthropological basket) It's in here somewhere.

Gotta go soon so this will be short.

I'm sorry to make conjectures about cavemen. They didn't write much, so I don't know much about them.

I don't have an agenda either way. I was vegetarian for many years, and so I feel I can say something on the subject. As for vegetarians being in denial and really secretly wanting meat, I remember that after my body adjusted to not eating meat, I really didn't have any cravings for it. If I wasn't so idealistic and rigid back then, I might have eaten meat about once a week or so and felt fine. But less than that and it takes your body some time to reproduce the enzymes needed to digest meat in sufficient quantities to prevent indigestion.

Vegetarianism wasn't the best diet for me. I currently follow a diet designed to fit people with my blood type. I think it is way healthier for me than vegetarianism was, but you can do this with also eating very little meat, and so I do for ethical reasons, not for health reasons. I choose to eat the smallest amount of meat that makes me feel comfortable and satisifed and healthy. Most people eat way too much meat, and that is just as bad as eating all vegetables and not watching your protein intake and vitamin B12, and iron levels.

I eat meat now, about once or twice a week. Its no big deal. I like teasing meat eaters, though. That must be a deep psychological issue left over from my vegetarian days.
 Ideoform
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Posted: 9/12/2010 6:10:42 PM
Here is a link:

"Vegetarian Myths"
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2000/04/02/vegetarian-myths.aspx

by Stephen Byrnes, ND, PhD, RNCP

I don't know who Mr. Byrnes is, but I respect Dr. Mercola's articles, since he does a lot of researching about various types of diets and lifestyles. I take everything with a grain of salt now, because traditional western Medicine hasn't focused on diet, and lifestyle very much until quite recently, and so the information changes a lot as new research is done, that replaces old notions and ideas.

The last paragraph, about the blood type diets, I know Dr. Mercola actually disagrees with, since his current recommended diet includes fine-tuning your diet based on individual differences like blood type. And my own personal experience has been that the diet recommended for my blood type works better for me than any other kind of eating style I have tried to do in the past.

Having had three disabled children, I have to be concerned that my being a vegetarian prior to my pregnancies (not during, though, I ate meat during my pregnancies) led to certain deficiencies that I was not aware of at the time, and was not corrected enough by adding meat just prior to the pregnancies.

I caution anyone who is pregnant or considering becoming pregnant, to carefully review their diet with a reputable nutritionist familiar with vegetarianism and consider supplementation with Folic acid, Vitamin B12, Vitamin D3, Vitamin A, and Iron, if necessary. It really helps to know how to cook, to cook from scratch, and know what is in your food. Don't expect restaurant foods to be balanced, restaurants sell the kinds of foods people enjoy when they eat out and socialize, it isn't always what you can live on long-term.

I also think that it is just as important to try to eliminate pesticide exposure in your diet, along with chemicals such as artificial, man-made flavorings, food colorings and sweeteners. And avoid the use of strong cleaning chemicals in your home, and in the the products you use in your home, such as paint, treated carpeting and vinyl flooring.

Pesticides and the formaldehydes in carpeting and laminates, can cause cancer. Low levels of the nutrient Folic acid can lead to a birth defect called Spina Bifida.

Exposure to lead dust, mercury, cyanide (a paint preservative) and arsenic (a wood preservative) can lead to Autism.
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Posted: 9/12/2010 8:26:48 PM
Vegetarianism is neither the end all and be all of diets nor a bad choice.

Ideoforms post , message 112, is very sound advice. You have to be sure your vegetarian diet is well rounded enough and during pregancy and childhood some meat is advised for iron protein and B12.


Sitting bull was a hunting plains indian and lived, not uncommonly, to over a hundred before being assisinated.

Sitting Bull died at age 59.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitting_Bull

Saying otherwise is bull s_itting.
 Secondhand_Lion
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Posted: 9/12/2010 8:59:55 PM
Who could kill a poor helpless plant that can't even run or hide. Poor defenseless thing just stands there while you chop it's life away and boil it alive. It's a living thing...right? Just because it's green means it doesn't have any rights to live? they convert your carbon monoxide to oxygen so you can live.....and what thanks do they get?.....they get killed and eaten by cruel vegetarians. I'm the first to start a movement for the rights of plants and demand that humans show them the same respect given to creatures. There is plenty of tasty rocks and dirt to be eaten, so respect all living things and eat that instead.
 Ideoform
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Posted: 9/12/2010 9:59:17 PM

"Who could kill a poor helpless plant that can't even run or hide. Poor defenseless thing just stands there while you chop it's life away and boil it alive. It's a living thing...right? Just because it's green means it doesn't have any rights to live? they convert your carbon monoxide to oxygen so you can live.....and what thanks do they get?.....they get killed and eaten by cruel vegetarians. I'm the first to start a movement for the rights of plants and demand that humans show them the same respect given to creatures. There is plenty of tasty rocks and dirt to be eaten, so respect all living things and eat that instead."


We do eat rocks and dirt. The plants convert the earth to living, breathing things that we can eat.

We are in a symbiotic relationship with plants we eat.

We eat them and they use our bodies to transport their seed around for them. We help them reproduce. They don't have moving parts, (legs) and we don't have the natural ability to make energy from the sun, water, and dirt. Without us, they can only move as far as the wind blows. They do have birds and migrating animals who do much the same thing, however.

I think we could call it "plant husbandry."

Its the circle of life;
dirt + water + sun = plant + water = herbivores + plants + water = omnivore = Humans > human waste > dirt.

If someone only eats fruit, nuts, beans and seeds = Fruitarian. These people don't eat anything that would kill the plant to eat. They only eat the reproductive (read non-essential) parts, or parts the plants drop to the ground. That's why most plants have more than one set of reproductive parts.

"Dust to dust..." should really be; "Dust to plant to animal to dust."

Surrender to the circle or die.

Plant energy runs our human batteries, runs through our veins and the veins of the animals we eat. How do we know this isn't plant heaven? A second life as a "higher life form?"

Plants breathe out what we breathe in, plants die so we can live, we are part of them and they are part of us. Their roots recycle the waste, and the atoms that once were Gazelles, and Geese and Geezers might be in your salad.
 Secondhand_Lion
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Posted: 9/12/2010 10:22:26 PM
^^^^^OMG!....somebody took me serious. However, I don't do much seed spreading, as I have a toilet connected to a sewer system that takes any seeds I might pass or spread on a wild ride that doesn't make it to a garden.

P.S...and please, don't get me started....you know what a troll I am
 CoolBreezez
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Posted: 9/13/2010 8:57:36 AM
For those who are interested, here's a nice report with a bit of balance on the pros and cons of vegetarian diets.

http://www.vanderbilt.edu/ans/psychology/health_psychology/vegpage.html

The thing I find interesting is that women are so much more predisposed to vegetarianism. From one survey I read, it was something like 68% of people calling themselves vegetarian in America are women. Maybe men are more naturally carnivorous- who knows....

I don't think small bits of meat, greasy or smells will kill hardly anyone. But there is an association with it that makes some nauseous. A fair number of people faint at the sight of blood so its perfectly understandable from that view.

It sounds like the OP and her SO have a good thing. For the rest of us, I would just preach a little tolerance for other's stances on the subject. Really- it's ain't worth fightin' about. IMO
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Posted: 9/13/2010 11:42:02 AM
As one who thinks the whole world has lost it's mind, I suggest that you get off your lard azz and do something besides watching diet infomercials on TV and reading about it for hours. After sitting on your butts for hours on end, stressing over which of the 3000 conflicting diets and exercize machines you should consider.....the stress and inactivity are killing you. I wonder how many vegetarians there were fifty years ago? I also wonder where and how Eskimos tend their vegetable gardens. I also wonder why nature gave us canines. I also wonder why common sense pisses everybody off.

P.S. When we get all that sorted out, can someone tell me why most PETA heads prefer leather interior in their vehicles, yet throw blood on people that wear a fur coat.
 woobytoodsday
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Posted: 9/13/2010 11:48:19 AM
I'm pretty much of a ovo-lacto carnivore, and leaning more and more that direction as I age. Simple: the fewer carbs I eat, the healthier I am (doctor documented). I've also noticed two things: vegans tend to be the least interesting people I meet, as a group; and also the least healthy. For all the claims they make of feeling *good* because of their diet, in fact, they seem to have endless bouts with head colds, chest colds, flu, sinus stuff, aches and pains, low energy, under the weather. . . . This is true of ov0-lacto vegetarians, too.

My sense? Any diet that can kill you without supplements (vitamin B12) is prolly not what creator intended you to eat. Evolutionarily, carnivores (predators) have their eyes placed side by side in their heads, facing forward; herbivores (prey) have their eyes placed on either side of their heads, looking sideways so they can keep an eye out for predators. . . .

In my view, there's a certain arrogance in expecting someone with different views than your own to hold to your belief system, even if it's "only" where he/she lives. I honestly don't believe we were created to be the boss of others. Any others. And especially not Significant Others. . . .

 woobytoodsday
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Posted: 9/13/2010 12:17:31 PM

* Blood group O is believed by D'Adamo to be the hunter, the earliest human blood group. The diet recommends that this blood group eat a higher protein diet. D'Adamo bases this on the belief that O blood type was the first blood type, originating 30,000 years ago.
* Blood group A is called the cultivator by D'Adamo, who believes it to be a more recently evolved blood type, dating back from the dawn of agriculture, 20,000 years ago. The diet recommends that individuals of blood group A eat a diet emphasizing vegetables and free of red meat, a more vegetarian food intake.
* Blood group B is, according to D'Adamo, the nomad, associated with a strong immune system and a flexible digestive system. The blood type diet claims that people of blood type B are the only ones who can thrive on dairy products and estimates blood type B arrived 10,000 years ago.
* Blood group AB, according to D'Adamo, the enigma, the most recently evolved type, arriving less than 1,000 years ago. In terms of dietary needs, his blood type diet treats this group as an intermediate between blood types A and B.


This is actually pretty funny, in a scientific sense. Since Blood Type AB is the consequence of an A parent and a B parent, but A's evolved 20,000 years ago, and B's evolved 10,000 years ago, but the two of em waited 9,000 years to start having babies. . . . .

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Posted: 9/13/2010 2:04:51 PM
^^^^If you wait long enough....some common sense could show up. I believe it did About all I read on these forums is something according to so and so. It seems people can't think for themselves anymore. There is alway some government grant sucking B.S. artist filling their heads with a thousand conflicting theories on a regular basis....and they buy it! Logic tells me that if you open your mouth and look in the mirror and see canines.....mother nature pretty much planned your proper diet.....and without the help of Dr. So and So.
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Posted: 9/13/2010 7:54:30 PM
"Lots more articles about what's in the meat your eating "

I keeping asking what is in the vegetables you are eating, but no one wants to answer that question.

Again, I say that for every study posted, it can be counter posted with a study that proves the opposite.

The medical associations etc. brings out data about every 5 years that contradicts what they said 5 years prior. Most often the new report is filled with info that holistic medicine has been reporting all along.

As long as every body is comfortable with what they are eating, I see no problem. When an s/0 tries to many someone comply and changing their diet drastically............the drama starts.
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Posted: 9/13/2010 9:05:56 PM
"Moraima, the manure composting process normally produces high enough temperatures to break down antibiotics before it even comes into contact with the soil. Antibiotics aren't super thermally stable."

If you are sure of your facts, you better contact the University of Guelph, and tell them that their studies about antibotics and pesticides found in all parts of vegetables are incorrrect. I am sure they would be glad to see you add your proof.

"And the medical associations have been recommending people increase their fruit and vegetable consumption and reduce meat for a lot longer than 5 years :)"

Twisting my words to fit your comply rules again I see.

"People should have to figure things out for themselves."

I complete agee. Hopefully they have the tools to do so, including an open mind.

"Who do you buy your seed from?"

I am fortunate enough to have enough Native doctor friends would have converted their farms into growing fields of natural native plants that grown natural seed producting plants that are being preserved for future generations. I am truly blessed.

However, I eat an almost carb free diet, simply because carbs make my body feel awful and sluggish. Fortunately for me, I don't like breeds, pasta etc. Maybe I don't like it because my body doesn't like it, and maybe I just like like that type of thing in my mouth. Now if my dear friend eat it and enjoy it, I am happy for them.

I eat very little fruit in Canada (raspberry off my property yum) except when in the tropics (go regularly) where I stuff myself on pineapple etc. picked a few hours before I eat it. I come back to North America and try to eat the stale tropical fruit that has taken weeks to get here............ew. Canned fruit taste like aluminum.

Now for me there is nothing better than meat and tons of veggies. More fowl in the summer month, more beef in the winter.

The taste of meat in the tropics killed same day, free range, no antibotics, only favoured with garlic...................sweetest meat to my mouth.

I grow my own herbs...................love Rosemary with meat and veggies.

Each to our own.
 moraima
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Vegetarians - how do you feel about your SO cooking meat?
Posted: 9/13/2010 10:26:09 PM
5% eatten on a daily basis....................ew!

Pesticides/antibotics are in our water, our air contains huge amount. You just can't get away from it in North America.

Where do you think all the compost collected in recycling goes.................I don't want to think what is in that.

" it's pretty standard practice for organic farmers(which is what I eat"

Have you checked out organic regulations, and how effective they are? Do you personal know your sources?

"- looking forward to growing my own in the gardens at my new place though!)."

Then at least you have some control. However air and water supply is an issue.

Let's face it, we can live hundreds of miles from civilization, but water supplies and winds bring polution.

Livestock and industrial polution is something we can't get away from no matter where we live in NA.
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