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 moraima
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People like to make life so complicated which is their choice. Real vegetarains are usually reasonable human beings. I don't think for a min. the OP is being resonable about what she expects of an s/o.
 Zikoris
Joined: 9/16/2009
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Posted: 9/9/2010 11:13:17 PM

A vegetarian friend ... was quite happy to eat the meat gifted to us.


A vegetarian who eats meat - you realize the problem there, right?
 HoosierInMo
Joined: 6/20/2010
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Posted: 9/9/2010 11:32:53 PM
I probably came in late on this thread, but I'll put my 2 cents in.

I don't mind dating a vegan. But a SO who demanded that meat not be cooked in their home would be incompatible as any dating relationship I would be in would be with the prospect that eventually her home would be my home. And I would never allow myself to be told what foods I can or cannot eat or cook in my home. But then again I also grew up in a family where the men did most of the cooking, so the argument that a guy is happy to be well fed and not have to cook doesn't apply well to me.
 Helen0426
Joined: 6/2/2009
Msg: 79
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Posted: 9/10/2010 12:58:32 AM

"I see anything with blood or skin raw and it un nerves me.."
Vegetarians better not be surgeons/surgical staff.

Hee. Well, certainly, anyone who feels that way shouldn't go into the field! For me, a vegetarian, this kinda thing doesn't bother me at all, in fact I find it fascinating to watch surgery. I'm even interested by autopsies. Might seem a bit ghoulish, I suppose, but I just find it amazing how the human body is put together, and how beautiful it really is inside - also how readily even an untrained eye can see when something is really markedly wrong. Yeah, I'm a Discovery Channel addict... have been lucky enough to have viewed some things in person as well. And I loved the Body Worlds exhibits.

I don't have the manual dexterity or the general on-the-spot alertness required for medical work, so it's kind of moot for me, but I don't think vegetarianism is likely to be related in and of itself to one's relative squeamishness about human bodies. Now, cannibalism, that could be a problem!

A vegetarian who eats meat is more than likely a "flexitarian."

Ah. Thank you. I had forgotten that word! Right you are.

I also agree that no one should try to impose vegetarianism on pets whose natural diet is primarily carnivorous. And, good point about it being generally 4-D, anyway, cheshirecatalyst. I haven't thought about this in a long time... I just go with what the vet recommends for my kitty! But, you're right, this is true.

To go back to the original question, for any who haven't read all (there is rather a lot at this point), I'm fine with others cooking meat, within limits having to do with lingering odors and/or not cleaning up. I can always absent myself for a few hours if I find something really unbearable, but it's rare that that's necessary. And, if living together, I do like to buy one cast-iron pan for my use only.
 *Just Jim*
Joined: 7/6/2007
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Posted: 9/10/2010 5:14:42 AM

I say live and let live unless a loved one is harming themselves.


Yes, I caught my son running into a 7/11 getting one of those "Big Gulps" for breakfast!
Now that's harm! lol just kidding..........

I'm a gardener so when I cook it's second nature in good fresh,organic food.

And imo, the veggie label, of years ago is now a passing thing. I eat meat but it is usually the smallest portion of the meal if at all.

Now the folks who only eat raw,well that's another story....unless you like to be on the crapper all day! lol
 PrinceCharmingsCousin
Joined: 9/1/2009
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Posted: 9/10/2010 7:29:06 AM
1. I pity your boyfriend for all your silly restrictions.
2. I also pity him for not being able to eat whatever he pleases because of your over the top "delicateness"
3. You say if the guy hated veggies and couldn't stand the smell of them, but could still prepare a vegetarian meal you'd be okay with that...wtf...what's he going to prepare...and do you prepare meat-eater approved meals for your bf? NO, because you don't like meat.
4. Does your boyfriend go without food the whole time he's at your house, just bread and water like a prisoner? A meal is not a meal for the majority of people in the world unless there's meat included...and forcing YOUR eating habits on him when he comes over is OFFENSIVE, and CONTROLLING.
 ForumOyster
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Posted: 9/10/2010 1:09:58 PM

A meal is not a meal for the majority of people in the world unless there's meat included...


Actually, for a lot of people in the world, edible food is barely an option, not to mention meat. Just sayin'.
 Zikoris
Joined: 9/16/2009
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Posted: 9/10/2010 5:26:31 PM

4. Does your boyfriend go without food the whole time he's at your house, just bread and water like a prisoner?


We live together, so there's no "when he's at your house". Since you asked, I tend to make a lot of curries, stews, stir-frys, chili, Indian and Asian-style dishes(which are originally vegan anyways), and tons of baking(pie, chocolate chip banana bread, cookies, and fruit crisp are common - anything really though). I usually keep a good amount of homemade guacamole, hummus, stuff like that around to make quick snacks or sandwiches. We make a lot of fruit smoothies and juice as well. So yeah, not quite prison-like. He doesn't seem to find it offensive - actually, none of my boyfriends so far have. Or family members who visit Vancouver and stay with me. Or anyone else who's stayed with me ever, for any reason...
 PrinceCharmingsCousin
Joined: 9/1/2009
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Posted: 9/10/2010 8:25:57 PM
How is it NOT offensive...you're saying hey come on over...but you're not allowed to enjoy foods that you like.

Yes you make all kinds of things, but seriously if you gave me a plate of just rice and beans or veggies or just guacamole and chips....i'd be GONE, no offense to your boyfriend but he must have low self esteem to put up with all this nonsense. You're basically taking away his rights and freedom, good job.

1. My mother doesn't even tell me what to it, and she put me in this world...you think YOU would tell me? (or should tell anyone else other then YOUR own kids)
2. Your scenario is ridiculous, you say because you make him all kinds of stuff you like and approve of, its ok...well flip that...say he made you all kinds of thoughtful snacks and meals but they ALL had meat, or NO veggies or something you're allergic to...see where i'm going with this....YOU are FORCING him.

I honestly recommend you let this man go be happy with someone who will want him the way he is, and not try to force anything on him like you are. You're best bet would be to get with someone who's like you.
 durandal26
Joined: 3/16/2008
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Posted: 9/10/2010 10:00:20 PM

Yes you make all kinds of things, but seriously if you gave me a plate of just rice and beans or veggies or just guacamole and chips....i'd be GONE, no offense to your boyfriend but he must have low self esteem to put up with all this nonsense. You're basically taking away his rights and freedom, good job.


As I said already, there's a few things you're not taking into account. The first is that I am incapable of cooking anything worth eating, so my freedom to do so is not being limited.

Second, she definitely does have the right to cook and serve me what she wants to cook. Luckily it just so happens that almost all of what she cooks, I greatly enjoy.

In living with Zikoris, I have become 80-90% vegan (80-90% of my meals are vegan) and I am perfectly happy with that.
 valenciacityx
Joined: 3/10/2009
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Posted: 9/10/2010 10:00:36 PM
Bacon.... the candy bar of meat
 Ideoform
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Posted: 9/10/2010 10:01:48 PM
"So if all you vegans and vegetarians don't like the taste of meat or the thought of meat, why do you want all your tofu, tempeh and other meat-substitutes to look and taste like the real stuff?!"


For the other people they might be cooking for.
Often this is fair compromise to the meat eaters.
It is way easier for a meat eater to cook for a vegetarian than the other way around. Most meat eaters eat lots of vegetables, and so, by just not mixing the meat portion of meals into vegetable side-dishes they can usually have some food available for vegetarians to eat without compromising their values or tastes.
But a vegetarian might have trouble as mentioned above, with handling meat and cooking meat, because of its appearance or odor. And they might not know how to prepare meat very well, and so this takes more of an effort for a vegetarian who is hosting meat eaters.

For these reasons, its easier for a vegetarian to prepare food that imitates meat, than for a meat eater to prepare food that imitates vegetables, (because you don't have to imitate.) However, if the issue is the "main dish" or protein part of the meal, this can be tricky for meat eaters, because usually there are more details to serving a balanced meal with a savory, filling main dish for a vegetarian.

There are lots of prepared meat imitations on the market. I remember a lot of them appearing around the time that Dr. Ornish published his study about treating heart disease with diet, and he recommended a very low fat, low salt, almost vegetarian diet to reverse heart disease. And so I pictured a lot of worried middle-aged women guiltily cooking up meat substitutes for their heart-diseased husbands. After all, how did he get heart disease? Probably from the meals they shared, and usually she cooked them.

I remember trying vegetarian bacon, vegetarian burgers, and vegetarian chicken. There is a vegetarian pate that tastes like liver pate. They were ok if you were trying to transition someone who is reluctant to change, into a more vegetable-based diet, but really these substitutes usually were like junk food...not that great for nutritional value, just a lot of flavored carbs with food coloring added, and shaped to look like portions of meat dishes. They were highly processed, and good for a pinch, but not for a long term solution.

Most vegetarian dishes that were designed to be vegetarian from the start taste better and are more satisfying than the meat substitutes. And having a few really good recipes is nice for making things to bring to family gatherings, holiday parties and barbeques.

The idea of a main dish is to have all of your protein in one concentrated dish, and everything else is a "side dish." You don't have to do that in vegetarian cooking. You can make several dishes that have some protein in them, and a few that don't, and serve them together. All the dishes have relatively equal focus. This is a different mind-set, and so a lot of meat eaters will go to a Hindu restaurant and look for the main dish, and think there is nothing to eat.

Sometimes it is simply the "logistics" of the eating event that dictate the dilemma. If it is a grill-out, and you have to bring your own "meat" it is so easy to just bring a bunch of frozen veggie burgers along to put on the grill. But you can also marinate large Portabella mushrooms in a zip-loc bag, and put those on the grill. You can find them the same size as an average hamburger bun, and they are the perfect shape for grilling after you cut off the stem. They don't fall apart as easily as the veggie burgers do.

In general, I have found that there are a few things that make for a more concentrated, protein style vegetarian main dish.

You add nuts with a rich strong flavour, like walnuts,
you add sauteed, grilled, or roasted mushrooms,
you add savory vegetables like small amounts of cabbage,
you can puree steamed or roasted very dark green vegetable like broccoli or spinach, and blend some of it into a dish to give it more depth.
You can use re-fried black Adzuki beans, or other black beans for beef-like appearance, and use chickpeas for a chicken-like appearance. Butter beans blended with oil make a nice cheese-like sauce.
Roasted eggplant has a savory flavour that works well.
Roasting any vegetable before adding it helps make it more savory.
You can use walnut oil, flax oil or some other really good quality oil to give it richness, blended with a bit of ghee/butter if allowed.
Use small amounts of fermented products like miso (fermented soy) and tempeh for a richer flavour.
Adding some seeds like chopped up pumpkin seeds, sunflower seeds, sesame seeds or paste adds protein and more weightiness. Mix in some sauteed garlic, shallots, cracked pepper and sea salt and you can make almost anything seem as if it has meat in it.
Serve it with horseradish or some other kind of spicy chutney or relish to give it a kick for more interest.

These are vegan ingredients.
If you can use them, adding eggs or cheese can make almost any dish taste decadent, and be very filling and rich.

Another tip for serving picky meat-eaters is to be careful what you call the dish.
When I bring bean dip with corn chips to a party, I sprinkle it with paprika and it looks great and everybody loves it. But 20 years ago I learned not to ever call it "Hummus." It just sounds horrible, and no one would try it.

I brought this great eggplant dip with pita bread another time, and everyone liked it. I didn't tell them it was Baba Ganoush.

Sesame paste is a great ingredient that you can make this really cool salad dressing with. I just don't call it Tahini.

And last, I don't call anything made with soybeans soy beans. I just call them beans. Its not necessary to indicate that they are SOY beans unless someone has an allergy to soy.
Most meat eaters have a certain prejudice against tofu. It is the quintessential "veggie" food.
So if I am using sour cream made from tofu, I just call it sour cream, period. There is also a cream cheese made with tofu, and pudding made with tofu, ect. I just call them cream cheese, pudding, ect. If my recipe happens to taste slightly different, then that is because it is my recipe....
 Zikoris
Joined: 9/16/2009
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Posted: 9/10/2010 10:15:08 PM
PrinceCharmingsCousin,

Try to take into account that Vancouver is overall a pretty health-conscious city with a high vegetarian population(I think we're still the slimmest city in the country as well - wonder why that might be?), and really hardcore meat eaters are pretty rare here. Most people I know who eat meat don't eat it every day(more like 3 or 4 times a week), so to go from eating meat 3 times a week to eating meat once or twice a week in a restaurant really doesn't bother people. The men don't seem to tie their masculinity in with their ability to eat raw meat like in some places - one thing I love about the city :)

Want to know something else strange? It's common enough here for vegetarians and vegans to want a "clean" living environment that people assume I won't want meat around my place long before I ever have to tell them. And they don't care, because they practically don't eat meat to begin with. Works out well.
 Zikoris
Joined: 9/16/2009
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Posted: 9/10/2010 10:29:54 PM

Since the OP and her live-in seem to be satisfied with thier qrrqngement..

The only reason for her to have started this thread was:

TROLLING


If you read my original posting, you'll see I was wondering about other opinions on the topic of cooking meat in the shared home, both from vegetarians and non-vegetarians who have been involved with them - I definitely specified I wasn't looking for advice on my own situation, we're quite happy as is.
 Padawan61
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Posted: 9/10/2010 10:33:48 PM
Militant vegans has that emaciated look. There were two on the forums here who were "bible thumping" their beliefs and they both look like pushovers we beat up in junior high school.
 forumfishie
Joined: 9/17/2009
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Posted: 9/10/2010 10:53:20 PM
"My views are - I have no issues with partners eating meat in restaurants or social situations, but I like my home to be meat-free"

"Your home" is also his home, unless he is living there rent free
The fact that you think your way is better than his, would have me packing my bags, (if I was a guy)

"So yeah, not quite prison-like. He doesn't seem to find it offensive - actually, none of my boyfriends so far have."

"He doesn't SEEM to find it offensive"
"none of my boyfriends so far have."

Since it's your way or the highway
None of them have stayed too long either, have they?

Throw this one a "bone" with meat around it, once in a while
before he gets so hungry eating your delicious meatless curries
he has to pack his bags and decides to live next to a Mac Donalds
 Ideoform
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Posted: 9/10/2010 11:07:49 PM

"Militant vegans has that emaciated look. There were two on the forums here who were "bible thumping" their beliefs and they both look like pushovers we beat up in junior high school."


WHO you lookin at? Anyway, is this a threat???
 Padawan61
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Posted: 9/10/2010 11:20:40 PM
Militant vegans has that emaciated look. There were two on the forums here who were "bible thumping" their beliefs and they both look like pushovers we beat up in junior high school


WHO you lookin at? Anyway, is this a threat???

Consider it how you would. The OP in the following thread was one ... VVVVVVV

http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts13838748.aspx

There was another ... but he may have split.

^^Oh good grief, he could not beat anybody up.........or down

I suppose not when you're a "few extra pounds".

I suppose not when you're a "few extra pounds"


I'm also a few extra inches too!

No sure how to interpret that. But if it is what I think it is ... *shudder*!! VVVVVVV
 PrinceCharmingsCousin
Joined: 9/1/2009
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Posted: 9/11/2010 7:40:27 AM
Zikoris: love your transition from what do i feed my bf...to meat eaters tie there masculinity to how much meat they eat lol.

1. Its silly and absurd. 2. its not at all descriptive of me, but nice try with the jab at me, you want to know why I eat meat...because:
A) I GENUINELY love the taste, nothing better then a big juicy steak on the BBQ with some spices and sauce.
B) I find it far more filling then any other food, therefore I don't have to eat again 10mins later.
C) i'm an athlete, and building muscle takes lots protein.
D) oh and ya...i LOVE MEAT, it tastes yummy
 pandusvenator
Joined: 11/17/2009
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Posted: 9/11/2010 8:05:15 AM
Try to take into account that Vancouver is overall a pretty health-conscious city with a high vegetarian population


Wow Zikris. Since when is vegetarianism a healthy diet? Where did this false data come from? Are you sure it's not the over the top "never kill animal" types? Since when are sugar burners (vegetarians) more healthy? I have looked at the blood profiles. This still amazes me.
If someone has a moral code the compels them to not eat meat I completely understand. Now that makes sense. But to inject false and misleading nutritional information is destructive.
 Zikoris
Joined: 9/16/2009
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Posted: 9/11/2010 9:29:10 AM

Wow Zikris. Since when is vegetarianism a healthy diet? Where did this false data come from? Are you sure it's not the over the top "never kill animal" types? Since when are sugar burners (vegetarians) more healthy? I have looked at the blood profiles. This still amazes me.
If someone has a moral code the compels them to not eat meat I completely understand. Now that makes sense. But to inject false and misleading nutritional information is destructive.


From the wildly radical never-kill-animal group, the American Dietetic Association of course! The false data has been common knowledge for many many years now, so I'm surprised you aren't familiar with it. Here's what they have to say

"It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets , including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases."

They go on to describe how vegetarians have lower risk of heart disease, certain cancers, diabetes, hypertension, and lower body mass index and cholesterol. You can read it yourself, http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/2009_ADA_position_paper.pdf
 pandusvenator
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Posted: 9/11/2010 10:17:25 AM

"It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets , including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases."


Actually i have read it. The difference between fat burners and sugar burners is quite significant.
When i tried it for a period of one year I had my blood tests done bi weekly. I had a rodeo injury that would not heal. Funny how when I dropped to no grains or sugars I healed in less than 3 weeks. My blood profile within a year was indicative of a 25 year old based on my GH and testosterone levels. My lymphatic system recovered and have zero chance of diabetes. I rode rodeos part time until 48 and stopped because I got bored and wanted other pursuits.

I submit that the article is slanted and false data. Any male who fllows that philisophical diet will pay dearly in near instant drops in GH and testosterone. Eventual diabetes is not far behind. If your diet suits you then do it but the false data is unreal.
 pandusvenator
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Posted: 9/11/2010 10:27:52 AM

This should never be confused with interpreting a standard biochemical blood profile. Usually doctors do this because they’re trained in recognizing things such as carbohydrate/insulin sensitivity, or a basic hormonal panel. Everybody else? Not so much……..


Oh for crying out loud. This is not rocket science. It's actually a one semester class unless you are a specialist. lol This is not esoteric science. I think that anyone who thinks that trash vegitable protien has the protien profile of meat is kidding thier self. As much as 40% of your diet has to be fat just to have a properly running endocrine system too prevent disease. This is real science not special interest backed social engineering.
 moraima
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Posted: 9/11/2010 11:02:18 AM
"A vegetarian who eats meat is more than likely a "flexitarian." Most true vegetarians don't turn their vegetarianism "on" and "off" when it's convenient. "

So a person like my friend who has been a vegetarian for 16 years, "gets" that in a third world country vegetarian meals are not readily available, and has the nerve to eat gift meat dishes looses her stats with certain vegetarians. Just like the s/o that must comply with people like the OP. Interesting.


Basic canned dog/cat food and kibble uses dead animals. Ask the farmers who haul dead animals to the end of their lane to be picked up days later by the standard dog companies.

"Zoonotic infections from eating undercooked or raw animal flesh are public health issues. Furthermore, slaughterhouses sometimes have problems with Shigella or Listeria after processing slaughtered animals."

Of course, it can be an issue due to poor hygiene in any mass production meat or vegetable processing facility. Same goes for poor hygiene in kitchen preparation.

Anyone interested in the reality of safely feeding raw meat and bones to their animals, please check out Dr.Ian Billinghurst.

If pet owners know how to buy safe frozen raw meat and bones to pets, they pick up human grade meat and bones for trusted suppliers of human grade meat. The secret is to know your supplies, make sure that all meat is flash frozen, and serve it to pets only when it is immediately defrosted. I find it harder to get organic vegetables to add to their diet (20%) in the winter, than to get a safe raw meat supply.

Certainly that can be disease in either vegetables or meat purchased, shown by the constant news reports of recalls of products. No eating meat is no protection from tainted food.

Bottom line of this thread is that some people demand an s/0 comply with their livestyle while others live their lives comfortable accepting the lifestyle of their s/0.

Interesting that OP at 23 has had no problem with s/o complying with her diet requirements. Should be interesting to see how much of an issue it is after decades of s/0's.

ps. What do you feed kitty? How do you deal with kitty's diet requirements?
 pandusvenator
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Posted: 9/11/2010 11:32:59 AM

How do you deal with kitty's diet requirements?


lol My mouser leaves me presents. Birds, ground squirrels etc. She only eats about half. It seems that it's like the female cat that hunts and returns enough for me. I guess she is being appriciative of taking care of her. A vegitarian cat would be useless where I live. Too many field mice.
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