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 SpecificTruths
Joined: 9/19/2009
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Addicts chose drugs vs. sobriety, not drugs vs. "you."
 Truthisee
Joined: 5/2/2010
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Can a true drug addict learn to choose you over drugs?
Posted: 9/29/2010 2:37:46 PM

A "true drug addict" has already found the love of his/her life - and it's not you.


bullshit.

A true addict has found a way to cope with whatever pain/loss they have experienced in their life using whatever drug, but I can sure as shit assure you there is no love involved.

Either within or without.

To answer the OP's question, no, an addict cannot chose you over their drug of choice, as they must first choose themselves, only after they choose themselves and continue for a prolonged period of time can they ever offer love to a relationship.

If you ever hear something like, "I want to be with you, and for your love I will walk away from being an addict", you are going to become a victim, there are no exceptions.

At this point in my life I have no time for it.

period.
 packagedealx3
Joined: 2/4/2006
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Posted: 9/29/2010 9:47:29 PM
They have to decide to save themselves and the only thing you are doing when you keep helping the person is make it take longer for them to bottom out and help themselves.
 Truthisee
Joined: 5/2/2010
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Posted: 10/1/2010 8:55:49 AM

The addict has to chose a higher power beyond themselves to survive and cure themselves of self-focused destruction.


*rolls eyes.

Your 12 step philosophy has been found lacking and therefor taken out behind the shed and shot.

Fvck the higher power crap, it doesn't work for everyone, simple as that.

Within yourself is the true higher power, focusing on the root cause for your particular addition, be it alcohol or drugs, is the key for successful transition. To simply say let go and grasp a power greater than yourself, is in my opinion, ridiculous. God doesn't exist, but you do, and therefor "letting go", is not "letting go" of self in realization of a program that essentially panders false ideals to the weak and stupid, sure it has worked for millions, but it has also not worked for millions more.


Drug and alcohol addictions are not chemical, they are spiritual.


Totally wrong, and spoken like a true outsider.

I will say however that a lack of spiritual awareness, or the suffering of a spirit, can often lead down the path of chemical dependency, but to say after a prolonged time said dependency does not enter into the realm of chemical is absurd.

When I said they must first choose themselves, I meant they must first choose to heal themselves, it starts with self realization, understanding the impact we are having not only on ourselves, but those around us. I never gave myself to a higher power when I quite drinking, I came to see there is something worth believing in, and that something was me.

step away from the candles, flowers and hippie love shit, and realize what may work for you, may not work for everyone, and as I said before, the addict must choose themselves, only once they learn to love what they see in the mirror, can they ever offer any kind of stable relationship.



 Discerning Virtuosa
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Posted: 10/1/2010 11:11:30 AM
I would definitely choose a good man over Haagen Daaz, but he would have to be more available than Ben & Jerry.
 stone-1
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Posted: 10/2/2010 6:22:38 AM

The addict has to chose a higher power beyond themselves


*rolls eyes.
Your 12 step philosophy has been found lacking and therefor taken out behind the shed and shot.


There are many paths.
This is freely admitted in the 12 step philosophy.

If someone has more that 5 years sober, they have a very good chance of remaining clean, they are likely to be making better choices in life than they were making while dependent on drugs & booze.

If you are seeing an active drunk or dope fiend, do not expect anything to change... ever.
 desires path
Joined: 1/22/2010
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Posted: 3/19/2011 10:19:56 PM
A true drug addict has already made thier choice and it is not you. Any thoughts that you may wish for it to be different are wasted. Incredibley harsh my statement and not intented to be so, merely stark in stating the reality of what you open yourself up to if you choose to believe otherwise. Forever is a long time. It is what we all (well most anyway) seek from our partner, it is what an addict faces in thier struggle to decide; you or the drugs. I was appauled to learn of the very slim percentage that actually overcome thier addiction. I know first hand what it is to grow sick with want for them to overcome thier desire. I know first hand what it is to forgive and forget once 2 years had passed and no sign of use was prevalent. I know first hand what it is to learn after 12 years that in the end a true drug addict will always choose thier drug, over you, over children, over family and over anything they once held dear in life. I wish you every strength in your journey and hope that what ever your struggle you will recall that it is thier decision, not yours, your task is to continue on, live laugh and learn. Very best to you.
 karma1160
Joined: 6/10/2008
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Can a true drug addict learn to choose you over drugs?
Posted: 3/19/2011 10:32:12 PM
This is not about you and it is not personal.
This is about the person who is addicted, only they can change .
They will only do it when they are fed up.
 KiwiBassist
Joined: 5/24/2010
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Posted: 3/20/2011 9:24:01 AM
No not really. I had an ex l ike that, they chose the drug addicted lifestyle over their children, and their family. The excuse was they had a hard life, and had been doing it since they were 15 yrs old, so that just kept enabling them. They need to clear their lives of the past including all friends still stuck in that lifestyle. Many won't, as it requires a lot of work and effort on their part to stay clean.

It is sometimes easier for them to continue going down hill, and most don't even really care about themselves, because if they did, they would ensure they would stop. Sometimes even hitting rock bottom for them doesn't wake them up as long as they have all their addicted friends they hang out with still around.
 verygreeneyez
Joined: 3/15/2006
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Posted: 3/20/2011 11:02:34 AM
~OT~ Even if one chooses to get "clean" the after-math is miserable. Dry drunks, dry highs, generally picking a new addiction to feed the personality. If they don't choose sex, alcohol, it's likely be AA/NA meetings and the people there who will become their new addiction. If not? It'll be food or religion or something else. I was with a "recovering" addict, there was nothing worse than watching someone sober, yet Jonesing non-stop for something to feed the addictive personality. When that addiction became me, for lack of anything else to be addicted to, I had to opt out. I'm sure there are stories out there of those who are successful in recovery in all aspects, but I personally don't know that side of this topic. JMO
 majyk1
Joined: 4/26/2009
Msg: 86
Can a true drug addict learn to choose you over drugs?
Posted: 3/20/2011 12:15:41 PM
Op, this part of your post is what caught my attention:
"I'm not sure if I should have kept trying to change them."

YOU can not change any one.....ever!! The only person you have control over, is YOU.
If you want to be a friend and give support, more power to you!!
An addict of any kind will only change when THEY are ready!
 curlygrl
Joined: 11/8/2006
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Posted: 3/20/2011 2:12:17 PM
From personal experience- no.

He is now dead. One year. Drugs were his
girlfriend, wife, lover, friend.

No. No no no.

Believe me- I tried. No.

Take care of yourself.

I hope you never face what I had too and he
seeks some help. Mine was in rehab over 13 times
including all kinds of treatments from basic to
experimental.
Save yourself. You can't save him. You will die
trying. It is futile.

I waited six pages because I just could not post
here. My stomach hurts just telling you this.


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 IgorFrankensteen
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Posted: 3/20/2011 3:35:36 PM
Condolences to those left behind.
I've always heard that the DEFINITION of addiction, IS that the person addicted CAN'T "choose" not to be. They are as transfixed by the addiction as they are to being what ever sex they are, what ever SPECIES they are for goodness sakes. Addicts can seek to escape , and heal from their addiction, and can, once they are TRULY free from it, make a number of choices to make sure they don't go any where near it again, but by definition (again), they will ALWAYS be physically addicted, or at least susceptible to being addicted instantly again, to what ever held them in thrall.
Thus, to my thinking, no one who has tried to help an addict, or loved an addict, should EVER feel any blame or guilt that they failed to be tough enough, or supportive enough, or loving enough, or worst of all WORTHY OF TURNING TO INSTEAD OF THE ADDICTION. It's another romanticized fiction that sounds wonderful and touching, but is actually dreadfully and dangerously poisoning to the soul to believe.
 valenciacityx
Joined: 3/10/2009
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Posted: 3/20/2011 6:09:44 PM
well somebody is dating Sheen.

maybe if you just "LOVE' them enough, they will see the light.
 newyorksassygirl
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Posted: 3/21/2011 9:57:22 AM
although theres always a chance of rehab and then recovery, an addict will always be an addict and unfortunely there are behaviors and qualities that will always keep you guessing. Most addicts i know once clean often trade in one addictive over another whether it be of a sexual nature or even addicted to soda. Its just a hard situation no matter which way you turn, love is a choice but not when your family. Attending your own 12 step meeting is a good ideal- good luck and keep your chin up.
 CharminC
Joined: 2/19/2011
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Posted: 3/21/2011 11:08:01 AM
Can a true drug addict learn to choose you over drugs?

I find this question unfair to addicts, whomever they may be and whatever their addiction is.
Asking them to "learn" to choose a person over a drug is like asking to walk a tightrope while juggling china plates.
I've once mistakenly thought it would be so simple. "We're (or they're) family!! Duhhh... of course you should chose us(them)!"
But, nope... time and time again, drugs crept in and took over.
Why? Because addicts are human. Addicts can't click a switch like a robot and turn of all urges to abuse drugs. I understand this now and so should anyone on the outside of the life of an addict.
I've just recently confessed to an addict (who is trying to recover) that although I am not close, per say, I still feel affected. I am on the outside looking in feeling all the pain and anguish and it alters my day to day being. Alters my ability with stress. Like a stone in a pond creating ripples. *sigh
It's been years now and I've seen and felt enough to understand I can't be too angry nor can I pity too much. I also can't help. The onus of their addiction is on them. I can only wish them well. Therefore, the question is unfair.
 Secondhand_Lion
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Posted: 3/25/2011 2:00:21 AM
Only if you are a dealer.
 xlr8ingmargo
Joined: 1/4/2011
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Posted: 3/25/2011 2:35:26 AM
It is a very unfair question because its like you (OP) are asking an addict of anykind to turn you into the addiction istead which is just as unhealthy.

I am an alcoholic. I have faced my demons (I had been sober for six years till the death of my late fiance) and even the two drinks I have when I fall off the wagon (not often) affects my family. My youngest daughter for one wants to put duct tape over my mouth. Cant say I blame her; I already speak my mind. I get mean and nasty with a buzz. We all make choices for a better life. Trading one addiction for another isnt one of them.
 Casper66
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Posted: 3/25/2011 3:35:35 AM
Lost my best friend to drug addiction, there was nothing I could do or his family to stop him, he lied, cheated and stole to fund his habit, it was devastating to watch and be helpless to help or stop him. Would never get involved with an addict again, found out the hard way there is no changing them.
 IHateBarstars
Joined: 11/6/2010
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Posted: 3/25/2011 12:10:57 PM
Haha, and giraffes fly.

In short, no.

However, in some cases, it can be an incentive. I dated a guy last year and he had some issues and he quit everything when we got together. Then, I moved away for 6 months, went home to visit and he was back to using again, and then quit again when I came home for christmas when I got mad and helped 'em detox over Christmas. We still keep in contact/friends and he isn't using anything now still.

However, I've also befriended a few drug addicts and they've stolen money from me and in 99% of cases, they don't care about you regardless of how many times they say they do. Addicts are attracted to "helpers" because for the most part they provide unconditional companionship and other addicts because they have the same habits.
 pirateheaven
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Posted: 3/25/2011 12:13:26 PM
NO, NO and NO. Fahgetabowit
 platypus_man
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Posted: 3/31/2011 12:23:55 AM
Not everyone is successful at beating an addiction the first time around. My dad tried to stop drinking many times, before, at age 36, he finally did it, and stayed 'dry' for the next 35 years until his death (as far as we know). It sometimes really depends on why they drink; if you can remove the cause that makes them want to escape reality, then it's easier to give up the intoxicant. Of course the reverse is true also; people who are prone to addiction to intoxicating substances can be drawn into it when enough stressors alter their life, and they are unable to deal with them successfully.
 Out_of_the_Ash
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Posted: 3/31/2011 3:17:41 AM
Personally, I wouldn't waste my time. I steer clear of alcoholics and druggies as partners, although I am 420 friendly so long as it doesn't interfere with their life.

That is one bull you just can't take by the horns. Even if they are so lost they want you to help them. Run. Run away and save yourself the trouble.
 Impune
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Posted: 3/31/2011 7:51:21 AM

Can a true drug addict learn to choose you over drugs?


A true drug addict will rob you blind, they'll choose the drugs first over you no matter what you do.
 forumermaid
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Posted: 3/31/2011 8:07:30 AM
In a way... they can choose to change because they value you and they want to keep you in their life. At least that can be part of their rationale for getting help. Really, though, they have to want to change for themselves. Sometimes they do get off the drugs, but they will always be one step away from falling back into it. I know someone who once was an alcoholic and he then became addicted to AA. I feel compassion for them, I really do, but I don't want it in my life.
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