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 forumfishie
Joined: 9/17/2009
Msg: 9
Ines Sainz -- Offended Female ReporterPage 2 of 2    (1, 2)
If my job was to go into the men's locker room to interview
a bunch of half naked, steroid using, high testosterone men
My outfit would be a tarp, only my head would be exposed
and maybe my shoes

What is that they say about the weather?
There is no such a thing as bad weather, only bad choosen outfits

Same here
 Montreal_Guy
Joined: 3/8/2004
Msg: 10
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Ines Sainz -- Offended Female Reporter
Posted: 9/15/2010 9:37:41 PM

Not sure what she was wearing at the time, but she isn't dressed appropriately (for interviewing) in most of the other pics in your links.


No matter how she was dressed, she deserves to be treated professionally, by professionals that are getting paid a lot of money to play a game, in the same society that pays it's teachers a fraction of what they get over a lifetime of teaching our children.

Those players represent their city, their team, and the entire group of professional atheletes as a group.

Even if she dressed that way and ACTED unprofessionaly, then someone should get management to escort her out immediately.


Even so, she doesn't deserve harassment for that "oversight."


It's called being a professional, period. You act like one, because you are being paid to - and held to a higher standard because of that job and profession.


The players should be professional, even though they are subjected to locker-room interviews (an archiac practice).


I believe locker rooms should be off limits to everyone not connected with the team directly.
 Montreal_Guy
Joined: 3/8/2004
Msg: 11
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Ines Sainz -- Offended Female Reporter
Posted: 9/15/2010 10:49:02 PM
So these very well paid grown adult males are at the complete mercy of their private parts and all that testostrone whenever a woman "drives" them to lose their ability to control themselves and act like the professionals they are paid to be ?

Sorry, even as the quite proud owner as one of those "private parts" myself, I respectfully disagree.

I might perhaps step up to defend a man who's been stranded on a desert island with only a volleyball named Wilson for a decade, but these guys "catch more fish" (if you know what I mean, nudge nudge/wink wink) than an illegal fishing trawler the size of an aircraft carrier.
 Montreal_Guy
Joined: 3/8/2004
Msg: 12
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Ines Sainz -- Offended Female Reporter
Posted: 9/15/2010 11:19:23 PM

Both parties, by their actions "conspired" to exacerbate the situation.


My contention is that they had no excuse to act that way, because of their responsibility to act as the professionals they certainly are paid well to be.

To use your example, with hypothetically showing up for work improperly dressed, that would not give your male co-workers the right to treat you in any way disrespectfully in the workplace - even before you were sent home (an act I'd agree with, if dressed that way in an extreme manner, btw).

I agree they should be disciplined, totally.

If I was their boss I'd call them into my office one by one, and have a talk with them. I'd remind them that they are public figures, extremely well paid by this company, grown adult males, and in fact the only thing larger than their penis is their weekly paycheck.

If they intended to keep the former,then they'd better keep the latter under some more control than they were currently able to do and to not let that head do any more thinking for them on company time and property while on the clock.

After they punch out, mazel tov !

I'd also suggest the next time this type of situation presents itself, that they advise management and the person in question would be quickly escorted out of the room.





 Super Ryan
Joined: 9/15/2007
Msg: 13
Ines Sainz -- Offended Female Reporter
Posted: 9/15/2010 11:28:16 PM
Everyone seems to be attacking this woman based on rumours of what she was wearing.
Well apparently she was wearing blue jeans and a white blouse. Not exactly over the top. I would say it is even classier then what several of the women in the stands of a game wear.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/12/ines-sainz-azteca-jets_n_713843.html

As for women in the locker rooms.
The way how it works, is that the press is allowed in the locker rooms during certain hours, and not allowed during other times. The players are well aware what these times are.
And not only will they allow female reporters in, they also allow television cameras.

The Jets acted like little boys who just discovered their weewees, and there is no excuse for their behaviour.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 18
Ines Sainz -- Offended Female Reporter
Posted: 9/16/2010 11:53:14 AM
Hey, lets have some perspective here:

Ines Sainz didn't file a complaint - someone who watched the behaviour in disbelief did.

She's a reporter for a Mexican channel that hired her, at least partly, because she is a former Miss Universe contestant. If she's going to be on camera, she has to look sexy. She wasn't there doing background work - she was there to film pieces to be aired.

Stop beating up on the poor woman. She dressed provocatively because she works on TV; she didn't whine or complain about it, but the Jets were ridiculous enough that they offended others; when asked about it she answered honestly.
 nipoleon
Joined: 12/27/2005
Msg: 19
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Ines Sainz -- Offended Female Reporter
Posted: 9/16/2010 8:14:46 PM
If what Ines Sainz does is Sports Journalism.
Then, the Miss USA contest is an IQ test.

When Ines shows up for something, she's not there to do legitimate journalism. She's there to bring attention to herself and publicity for her employer, Mexico's TV Azteca.
She once " covered " a Super Bowl, not by asking meaningful questions, but by posing for the cameras and measuring the players biceps.
She's not there to cover a story, she's there to distract attention away from the story.

You will notice, that none of the other female reporters in the locker room that day complained about any harassment directed towards themselves. It was actually another woman reporter who complained about the behavior being directed towards Ines. Ines didn't make any formal complaint, she knew what her real job was and she was doing that.
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 20
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Ines Sainz -- Offended Female Reporter
Posted: 9/17/2010 9:57:40 AM
I think that this issue clearly demonstrates the need to take the interview process out of the locker room altogether. Yes, Cheshire, it is an archaic practice and one that I've simply never seen a supportive reason for doing so-


No doubt it was originally intended to let all the "armchair quarterbacks" get closer to the players and let them be part of the team by being in the locker room with their favorite players and experience that aspect of the game.

I dont think that this woman was dressed provocatively, it was a white long sleeved blouse and pair of faded jeans. Her blouse wasnt open to her navel, showing her breasts, and the jeans were a pretty standard fit for most women who still have the figure to wear jeans.

So having said that, am I to assume that the chearleaders for that team should also be subjected to this type of behavior from the players as well? They wear significantly more revealing clothing to do their job. What level of disrespect should they automatically be subjected to based on their dress? Because there is very little difference in what this reporter was doing and what the team plays the cheerleaders to do. Provide eye candy to men. Perhaps a little ass slapping, groping or derogatory name calling at them is appropriate in their case, because after all we know that men cannot function like intelligent human beings when a reasonably attractive woman is around, and we certainly should not expect that level of intelligence from them due to the fact that apparently testosterone inhibits rational and reasonable though processes...Whoda thunk it??

What seems to be missed here is that obviously these players feel that they dont have to give common courtesy to another human being.
 sexyisback!
Joined: 9/14/2010
Msg: 22
Ines Sainz -- Offended Female Reporter
Posted: 9/18/2010 12:06:48 PM

Is she right ?? Was she "harassed"?

Thoughts?

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/09/12/nfl-new-york-jets-investigating-alleged-harassment-of-reporter/

The NFL is looking into whether New York Jets players harassed Ines Sainz, a female reporter from a Mexican television network, during a practice on Saturday.


who cares? she's (fairly, 'rather') "hot", so she can get away with anything she wants, though maybe not QUITE as hot as she apparently THINKS she is?
 lateā„¢
Joined: 2/1/2010
Msg: 24
Ines Sainz -- Offended Female Reporter
Posted: 9/19/2010 1:19:08 AM


who cares? she's (fairly, 'rather') "hot", so she can get away with anything she wants, though maybe not QUITE as hot as she apparently THINKS she is?


Ignorance, ....always says more about its source than what it weakly attempts to prove.

Thank you, ...sincerely.

...for confirming this.

 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 25
Ines Sainz -- Offended Female Reporter
Posted: 9/19/2010 9:26:14 AM

If anything useful comes of it , it could be the discussion which it seems to have sparked (or re-sparked?) about women reporters , hot or not, in the guys' locker rooms while they are still washing up, etc.


I'm old, so I remember that this practice is the result of a court ruling - they can't keep women out of locker rooms if they let male reporters in. In women's tennis, for example, they keep out all reporters because they are governed by the same ruling.
 LinuxD
Joined: 12/6/2008
Msg: 26
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Ines Sainz -- Offended Female Reporter
Posted: 9/20/2010 2:49:39 AM
Ahh yes.. poor thing. She wears skin tight jeans and low cut blouses and expects a bunch of testosterone laden,hyped up neanderthals to keep mum while they are in their skivvies.
Makes sense to me.

Sure she can wear whatever she wishes,but should be prepared for the possible reactions in different situations. Isn't dressing in skin tight jeans and revealing tops supposed to be "sexy" as in being as close to naked as you can without actually being naked, in order to draw attention to yourself? I find that people tha have no skills,often fall back on looks or supposed sexiness to get thru life.. Jessica Simpson is an example. As Marilyn Monroe was. Neither of them have or had a brain cell other than what it takes to maintain body temp yet they were nice to look at.

While the players should have definatley kept their mouths shut,the bimbo could have used better sense. But as is all too often the case neither was done.

My Grandmother was never one to mince words and often chided my sisters for their dress with the words "If you want to be treated like a hooker,dress like a hooker,if you want to be treated like a lady,dress as one" Now my sisters are repeating the same thing to their daughters as my mother did to them and their daughters also.

I've a feeling this wa nothing more than an effort by her to draw even MORE attention to herself. She gets my vote for attention whore.
 Delete_Me_Please
Joined: 11/10/2009
Msg: 27
Ines Sainz -- Offended Female Reporter
Posted: 9/20/2010 3:26:57 AM
To begin, I don't know what sort of "professionalism" should be expected of her or the players in a locker room. She should be able to dress however she and her network see fit and the players should be able to respond however they see fit.

As for harassment, I don't think catcalls necessarily constitute harassment. Now, if she responded to such catcalls by asking them not to refer to her in such a manner and they continued to do so, THAT would be harassment.

Unfortunately, this sort of brouhaha (whether flamed by her or someone else) only sets women back. These incidents are the reason why men decide it's easier to not deal with women. Idiots like Gloria Allred think the whole world needs to cater to women but I think there are many situations (such as this one) where women need to learn how to hang with the men.
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