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 GolfCoast
Joined: 3/17/2008
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That is a great video. What a clueless bonehead. Man wouldn't you love to sit on a board explaining everything to that guy? It would take as long to teach that guy the facts of life as it does to get Obama, Pelosi and Reid to understand the economy killing truth of their policies.
 fzrhusker
Joined: 10/8/2005
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Posted: 10/4/2010 9:36:42 AM
HEADLINES FROM THE YEAR: 2029



Exploding hydrogen powered cars now killing millions in the seventh largest country in the world, Mexifornia, formerly known as California.

White minorities still trying to have English recognized as Mexifornia's third language.

Spotted Owl plague threatens northwestern United States crops and livestock.

Baby conceived naturally! Scientists stumped.

Couple petitions court to reinstate heterosexual marriage.

Iran still closed off; physicists estimate it will take at least 10 more years before radioactivity decreases to safe levels.

France pleads for global help after being taken over by Jamaica .. No other country comes forward to help the beleaguered nation!

Castro finally dies at age 112; Cuban cigars can now be imported legally, but President Chelsea Clinton has banned all smoking.




George Z. Bush says he will run for President in 2036.


Postal Service raises price of first class stamp to $17.89 and reduces mail delivery to Wednesdays only.



85-year $75.8 billion study: Diet and exercise is the key to weight loss.



Average weight of Americans drops to 250 lbs.


Climate change blamed for citrus crop failure for third consecutive year in Mexifornia and Floruba.



Japanese scientists have created a camera with such a fast shutter speed they now can photograph Nancy Pelosi with her mouth shut.



Abortion clinics now available in every
High School in United States, but Hispanics still have 4.3 children per mother.


Last remaining two parent family interviewed on Larry King show.

Massachusetts executes last remaining conservative.

Supreme Court rules punishment of criminals violates their civil rights.


Average height of NBA players is now nine feet seven inches with only 3 illegitimate children.

New federal law requires that all nail clippers, screwdrivers, fly swatters and rolled-up newspapers must be registered by January 2030..



IRS sets lowest tax rate at 75 percent..



Floruba voters still having trouble with voting machines.
 fzrhusker
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Posted: 10/6/2010 8:57:18 AM
Interesting speech from David Icke, check out the first video "The Sane Insanity" and where he talks about the banks, kind of makes you wonder?

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines
 GolfCoast
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Posted: 10/7/2010 8:47:48 AM
I discovered Claire Berlinski this morning and although my infatuation is complete I feel compelled to share her. She's got to be a thinking man's sexiest woman. One could have their respect for Margaret Thatcher raised to a pantheon of giants and that's always a good feeling. If you don't have the entire 39 minutes this vid takes, watch 12:00 to 14:00 as she describes the underlying defense of the individual as the sole moral purpose of government. Or you can watch her arms and legs for 39 minutes lol.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/10/027387.php
 fzrhusker
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Posted: 10/7/2010 8:56:03 AM
The Fabian Society began in England in 1887 by a very small group of elitist socialist that sought to reform society gradually into one of socialism instead of through violent revolution. At first their purpose was to be an alternative in Britain for the more dominate Marxist Social-Democratic Federation, but their true goal was to accomplish socialism through a very gradual process using the voting booth and representative democracy as their instrument of change. In fact, one of their symbols is a Turtle with the motto: "When I Strike, I Strike Hard". Another symbol is the Wolf in Sheep's Clothing and the Globe on an Anvil being hammered into the Fabian model.
The greatest bulwark against tyranny in America has always been the system of private ownership and free enterprise, it is the cornerstone of our system of government and without it our freedoms and liberty are in jeopardy. Central economic planning is, in a very basic sense, the keystone to Fabian Socialism, for in order for it to succeed, central State planning and control must replace the system of free enterprise. While it was not necessary for the State to actually own or directly control all the elements in the economy it is enough for the State to have the right to assert itself in any area that it deems necessary. The Fabians called it "the democratization of economic power", in other words socialized and centralized control over economic direction within the country.

In his Presidential acceptance speech in 1932, Roosevelt promised "a new deal for the American people." The term was taken from a 1932 book by the same name, "A New Deal," written by Stuart Chase. That book rapidly disappeared from the shelves after Roosevelt's election. Its contents were the currency of White House economic policy discussion by Tugwell and other central planners around the new President.
Chase, along with Tugwell and Robert Williams Dunn, had jointly written a report, "Soviet Russia in the Second Decade," following their 1927 travel to Stalin's Russia.
In his 1932 book, "A New Deal," Chase argued that the earlier transition out of feudalism into what he called laissez-faire capitalism, was essentially over. The era of Trusts, monopolies, capital concentration by large banks, must now give way to central or collective planning. Chase wrote, "modern industrialism, because of its delicate specialization and interdependence, increasingly demands the collectivism of social control to keep its several parts from jamming. We find a government meeting that demand by continually widening the collective sector through direct ownership, operation and regulation of economic functions." He adds, "Competition is perhaps a good thing—in its proper place. Where is its proper place? Collectivism is beyond peradventure on the march."
Much of Chase's book was filled with fulsome praise for Stalin’s Russian model of central planning and its achievements, reflecting the fascination of numerous younger American intellectuals in the early 1930's.
In his "A New Deal," intended as a kind of blueprint for the Roosevelt campaign, Chase advocated what he called, "The Third Road, a road which runs neither to red dictatorship nor to black (business)." Chase proclaimed that under the Third Road, "private profit will not furnish the happy hunting ground it used to. State trusts, investment control, the curbing of speculation, will choke the muzzle of the more devastating forms." He also proposed drastic economic controls, an eerie harbinger of what would come to pass under the Federal Reserve of Alan Greenspan: "The Federal Reserve will take over the control of currency, the stock exchanges, banks and domestic investment... A new Foreign Trade Corporation will supervise exports, imports and foreign loans. Public works will undoubtedly be centralized in one department..."
Leaving no doubt that his sentiments were not market-oriented in any way, Chase concluded his tract by stating, "We can go on, however...without violent revolution...if we are willing to halt expansion, and organize industry on the basis of using to the full the equipment we now possess. This is the program of the third road. It is not an attempt to bolster up capitalism, it is frankly aimed at the destruction of capitalism, specifically in its most evil sense of ruthless expansion. The redistribution of national income, the sequestration of excess profits, and the control of new investment are all designed to that end." Little wonder that Chase was given a very discreet background policy role in FDR's inner circle. This was explosive stuff for the American public, even in an economic depression.
It is all accomplished with the utmost respectability of course, they would not dream of such an imposition without popular support and they will make sure that they have popular support.
In 1933, they proposed that private enterprise had failed leaving the jobless to starve, hope to fade and that the State must step in to save the country and protect the people from the dangers associated with the inherent problems of free enterprise. Today, the call is very similar, the State must step in to protect the people. The Corporate State is, in the minds of Fabians, the ultimate protector of the common man, the provider of security on all fronts, but it requires our complete compliance and the relinquishment of our liberty in exchange. The State is to ultimately be the only one allowed wealth, the problem is that wealth is the people's wealth confiscated in exchange for their hard labor. It is, in essence, a plan for a modern feudal society of peonage and the people are the peons.

In 1942, Stuart Chase, in his book "The Road We Are Traveling" spelled out the system of planning the Fabians had in mind; the interesting thing is to look at that plan in comparison to 2008 America.
1. Strong, centralized government.
2. Powerful Executive at the expense of Congress and the Judicial.
3. Government controlled banking, credit and securities exchange.
4. Government control over employment.
5. Unemployment insurance, old age pensions.
6. Universal medical care, food and housing programs.
7. Access to unlimited government borrowing.
8. A managed monetary system.
9. Government control over foreign trade.
10. Government control over natural energy sources, transportation and agricultural production.
11. Government regulation of labor.
12. Youth camps devoted to health discipline, community service and ideological teaching consistent with those of the authorities.
13. Heavy progressive taxation.
 matchlight
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Posted: 10/7/2010 9:22:02 AM
^^^^^^Very interesting comparison--most of FDR's advisers were excited about how they did things in the Soviet Union. One thing that discredits this stuff right away, in my mind, is the fact that in a free country, you have to sneak it into place. The bright boys proposing it know most people would reject it, unless they deceived them. That's not as easy to do as they may think. This president's a slick, shameless liar, but even so, a lot of people have come to see what he's really up to.
 fzrhusker
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Posted: 10/7/2010 11:49:29 AM
Match i hope you are right but so many of the masses have been indoctrinated to think this kind of stuff is good.

GC that woman is Brilliant, loved the video sent it to all my friends and enemies.
 GolfCoast
Joined: 3/17/2008
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Posted: 10/7/2010 12:09:31 PM
Claire is a peach. Got that conservative female, big-brain thing going on. Fact-based, clear, no muddy, unicorn loving, talking point, addled-brained lib gibberish stuff with her. The cat thing is problematic but she's fun to watch.

I think the Obama love affair is over, not unlike the Carter phenomena that was cringe worthy to libs even 20 years later. Most Americans are getting it, unless of course they belong to public service unions in which case they owe their survival to a fed bailout in next 18 months. We're seeing the well-deserved financial death of state governments. let's hope they default in a way that will force renegotiating their entire cost structure.
 fzrhusker
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Posted: 10/11/2010 9:51:48 AM
just thought this comparison kind of says it all about everything from the President to the media etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=3JDT5vBQQr8&vq=medium
 fzrhusker
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Posted: 10/12/2010 8:02:34 AM
Here is an answer to your question it is a way to manipulate the money. Just look at the Wiemar Republic. All of the above posts are interrelated to the manipulation of money.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJEbFI03BNA
 fzrhusker
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Posted: 10/12/2010 3:47:45 PM
A free market economy is self correcting unless you bail out the losers and and let the government try to fix it with bad policy and an ever collapsing manufacturing base.

Here is a great explanation from some one that has been on the front lines.

If you don't take the time to watch it then you really don't want the answer. If you want socialist life style then move to Greece, oh wait they are broke.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJEbFI03BNA

Oh and as for your earlier question many of these threads cover different things and spin off from the original post because there are more than a few simple answer to the original question.

Oh and if you knew a little history you would know that we have been subsidizing many of those countries for years after WWII. Why do you think Germany panicked when we started pulling out our troops and told them to come up with their own Army and pay for it.

Explain to me why we still give 2 billion a year to China when we are in debt to them. Borrow 2 Billion from China so we can give it back to them, just asinine.
 fzrhusker
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Posted: 10/13/2010 9:09:22 AM
If your read the original post and put 2 and 2 together this video will make sense. It is a propaganda game. The change in money is just a step.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7vPiA3HyWQ



The liberty movement supports the restoration of the Constitution which clearly states that the coinage of money shall be in gold and that only the elected Congress is authorized to issue and control it.


First, we must be aware that the Federal Reserve, along with other foreign private central banks and the IMF, have long had plans for a global currency. This is not conspiracy theory mumbo-jumbo anymore, but rather cold hard fact. Lew Rockwell wrote an excellent article summarizing the IMF’s push for a global currency — the Bancor. The recent international currency war may be the beginning of creating a false demand for something more stable for international trade. As all major currencies race to the bottom, the private banking cartel will surely offer their global solution. We know what their solution will be — continued debt slavery with more centralized control — but what will the people’s solution be?

There seems to be another currency war brewing right here in America. The debate between the two most popular proposed solutions of adopting the Greenback or the Gold Standard has just officially begun. Last week, Gary North, a Goldbug and author of Honest Money, wrote a scathing attack of Web of Debt author Ellen Brown, a Greenbacker. He took select samples from her book in an attempt to tie her public bank solution to Hitler, but failed to address the “interest-free” philosophy of her policy. Despite that, he does manage to frame the Goldbug’s argument against the Greenback, or public banking, as inferior:
 matchlight
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Posted: 10/13/2010 12:03:46 PM
The fact that our 'dollar' had higher value then doesn't mean that our government devalued it over time.


It can't mean anything else. All the things you mentioned are irrelevant to inflation. The continuing inflation we've seen for decades is only caused by one thing: an increase in the supply of money. And in this country, the Federal Reserve has complete control over that supply. When it grows faster than the supply of goods and services it's chasing, you get inflation.

There was very little inflation in the U.S. for a big part of our history. What's happened is that the demand for government services--which are nothing but overhead-- has increased faster than productivity. As a nation, we want more than we're willing to pay for with taxes. That creates debt, but you can always kick the can down the road.

One handy way to do that is to wipe out the debt by paying it off in the future in cheap money--dollars that aren't worth as much as they were when the debt was created. It's like borrowing $100 from someone, and then changing the rules of the agreement to say $50 now counts as $100. Problem solved, right?

*Your* problem, maybe--but not your creditor's. He can only buy half as much with the $50 you repaid him, as he could have bought if he'd just kept the $100 he loaned you. So why would he loan it to you in the first place?

No one would--if they had any say in it. But the way the game's played, the people who have to repay our debts aren't voting now (or even born yet)--and we are. It's a way to get what we want from government now, and make future generations foot the bill.
 GolfCoast
Joined: 3/17/2008
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Posted: 10/13/2010 12:14:31 PM
We could have much more productive discussions if we did not have to teach basic economics to liberals. Liberals you must learn! Stop confusing issues, parsing words, blaming others and get some education. There may be arguments that need considering but they don't include obfuscating.

It's like slow motion Gloria Allred, day after day.
 matchlight
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Posted: 10/13/2010 1:25:13 PM
Paul, you're exactly right. Some other example might have been better. I was trying to make things simple by leaving out interest and assuming that if the lender wouldn't have suffered from inflation if he'd kept his money.

In long-term debt like mortgages, as you know, a little increase in the interest rate makes a huge difference in the total amount you end up paying back. But if lenders didn't have to take inflation into account, they'd charge much lower interest rates. I don't feel bad about lenders, but they have to compete with each other. What they charge depends mainly on what they have to pay for the money--which depends on what the Fed does.
 matchlight
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Posted: 10/13/2010 1:44:43 PM

if we did not have to teach basic economics to liberals. Liberals you must learn!


GC, I'm not so sure we can assume they *want* to. Most of the ones I've ever run across (which is plenty) really don't care if someone else has to pay for their dopey government schemes. I doubt most of them even care if they ruin this country--after all, as the oppressors of the world, don't we deserve to be set down hard?

If they're bright enough to understand the damage they're doing, and care about it at all, they justify it with half-baked notions about helping the have-nots. Of course they only end up hurting these very people, along with everyone else, but they get to feel so noble while they're doing it!
 GolfCoast
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Posted: 10/14/2010 7:45:22 AM
Err, Thinking, Franlin agrees with us. His first point, 'subsidization is inconsistent with a free, capitalistic economy" is on point. None of us free market types believes in government involvement whether for GM, solar panels, farmers, or insurance companies. It's the left that argues the government should be involved in picking winners and prices and then when it fails decries the failure as capitalism. That's assumptive with the definition.

You must learn and you could do worse than Franklin.
 fzrhusker
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Posted: 10/15/2010 9:11:48 AM
As our founding father's ideas are timeless where liberty is concerned, this speech applies today as much as it did then.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXBswFfh6AY&feature=related
 matchlight
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Posted: 10/15/2010 12:24:09 PM

What is it with you guys, that you can't discuss anything without being accusing somene else of ridiculous motives . . . I don't always disagree with everything you say, just the reason why you're saying it.


What amazing sanctimony. How dare any mere conservative presume to question the motives of his moral superiors--those who have the social conscience he lacks! Only these self-proclaimed paragons have the right to assume, as they usually do, that whoever disagrees with them is not just wrong, but bad.
 fzrhusker
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Posted: 10/21/2010 7:26:50 AM
This is indeed a very exciting program, and I'll explain it by
using a Q & A format:

Q. What is an 'Economic Stimulus' payment ?
A. It is money that the federal government will send to taxpayers.

Q.. Where will the government get this money ?
A. From taxpayers.

Q. So the government is giving me back my own money ?
A. Only a smidgen of it.

Q. What is the purpose of this payment ?
A. The plan is for you to use the money to purchase a
high-definition TV set, thus stimulating the economy.

Q. But isn't that stimulating the economy of China ?
A. Shut up.

Below is some helpful advice on how to best help the U.S. economy by
spending your stimulus check wisely:

* If you spend the stimulus money at Wal-Mart, the money will
go to China or Sri Lanka ...

* If you spend it on gasoline, your money will go to the
Arabs.

* If you purchase a computer, it will go to India , Taiwan or
China ...

* If you purchase fruit and vegetables, it will go to Mexico ,
Honduras and Guatemala ....

* If you buy an efficient car, it will go to Japan or Korea ...

* If you purchase useless stuff, it will go to Taiwan ...

* If you pay your credit cards off, or buy stock, it will go
to management bonuses and they will hide it offshore.

Instead, keep the money in America by:

1) Spending it at yard sales, or

2) Going to ball games, or

3) Spending it on hookers, or

4) Beer or

5) Tattoos.

(These are the only American businesses still operating in the U.S. )

Conclusion:
Go to a ball game with a tattooed hooker that you met at a yard
sale and drink beer all day !
 fzrhusker
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Posted: 10/21/2010 7:50:31 PM
For me it applies to any assmunch politician that gives away yours and my money and ships jobs oversees in the name of free trade. I want fair trade and for them to keep their hand out of my wallet.

Buy American and I go out of my way to do it.
 GolfCoast
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Posted: 10/22/2010 7:30:04 AM
FZR I buy anything but union. I go out of my way to avoid anything that benefits a labor union. They have recently clearly chosen the communist way, see the October 2 meeting in DC. That was a clear throw-down to anyone who loves the America we know and love..

Money that ends up in labor's hands buys the forces of evil in this country. I'd happily give money to Chinese workers before anyone in American labor, business or government.
 matchlight
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Posted: 10/22/2010 9:44:01 AM
JD, I used to have a 1200 cc Yamaha Venture, and I liked it a lot. I don't see how you can bring yourself to do without all that 1940's Harley technology. I was talking to an LAPD motorcycle instructor recently as he was washing his brand-new BMW twin. He was talking about various safety features on it he liked, and he didn't have much good to say about Harleys for police work.
 fzrhusker
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Posted: 10/22/2010 3:23:29 PM
Says it all

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4Dkq8Nc9oc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUcRQtV65Fo&feature=related
 GolfCoast
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Posted: 10/22/2010 6:02:48 PM
I loved my Harley (recently sold). Well I loved it until I began to understand American labor, which my 1950's and 60's mindset assumed was pro-American and extremely anti-communist, was completely wrong.

Nothing like the torque-y agriculture power of two cyclinders getting breathless at 3,000 RPM. But I liked it. Poking along low and slow on blue highways. One could easily be transported to the 1950's, even 40's. No fear a computer chip was going to inexplicably fail in nameless places in the remote mountains of Montana. Sure you had to re-tighten all kinds of bolts daily and apologize for oil puddles at every stop. In exchange you got into conversations with old timers telling about epic cycle rides chock full of breakdowns, new friends in out of the way places, and how they got that big scar on their knee. Your daughters got to tell their new boyfriends "dad rides a harley" and see them look the nearest exit.

Tell me your YamakawaHonSuz can do that.
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