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 Ready4SomethingFun
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I think you guys misunderstand my point. I find nothing offensive at all with what Stewart said. I just noticed in the article in the WAPO that MG quoted they left some of it out
I actually gained respect for him by the comment.


I read it as him stating that Teapartiers are not really racist and Williams and Sanchez are not bigots. Who could be offended by that?


No one should be. But I'm saying some people that have been running around calling tea partiers racists will be offended by it. People around this forum have been saying the tea party is racist since it began. Are you guys saying now that Stewart proclaims it not to be, that leftist opinion will be changed overnight?
If that is the case, then Stewart is beyond a pundit and some kind of magician and should seek public office immediately.
 MrLove45
Joined: 1/31/2010
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Posted: 11/1/2010 4:42:36 PM
look : where was the tea party back when bush and the republicans were spending like a drunken salior with an extended liberty pass or expanding the government...heck their spending was so irresponsible that they didn't add the cost of the war to the books...it wasn't til the next fella came along that we found that out and it was put on the books (transparency, hell yea)....but those people were pretty quiet and though everything was running pretty smooth until CHANGE took over...and CHANGE didn't look like them and with the help of fox news and the other unamericans on right wing/ fake christian radio tapped into their biggest fears : people that don't look like them the tea baggers have all of a sudden got top billing by the meda ...and we all know that the tea party and the republicans are the same people...
well it don't really matter anymore ...Mr Stewart made some excellent points...regardless of who wins life will go on, either our president will have a majority, split or both houses against him ...in the event if the repugnicans win and based on not presenting any alternative, workable solutions to any of the economic problems...I have got to see this..I'm going to bet early like I'm expecting santa claus to bring me a present..surely american isn't stupid enough to vote the same people who created the mess back into power ? surely?
 Ready4SomethingFun
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Posted: 11/1/2010 10:50:01 PM

surely american isn't stupid enough to vote the same people who created the mess back into power ?


Hopefully not. I hope all the dems AND republicans that caused this mess up for re-election get trounced.




And yes, I do realise Jon Stewart is a comedian. But if you want to try to argue that he doesn't interject some semblance of real personal political opinion that goes beyond laugh getters into his "schtick" myself and a ton of others are going to say you are wrong. There are plenty of political oriented comedians out there, some arguably funnier than Stewart, but then, they aren't holding rallies in D.C. on a date with no significance (but by coincidence two days before a major election) trying to "restore sanity" to a nation.

And if you think about it, would a sitting President with an election in less than a week that could be as shattering to his agenda as this one could really go hang out with some comedian just doing his shtick? I kinda doubt it. You have to admit there is some influence with Stewart beyond schtick, or Keith Olbermann (who I often think is more hilarious than Stewart, but for different reasons) wouldn't have his undies in a bunch over some of Stewarts remarks Sunday, nor would half the "real political pundits" be weighing in so much about it, nor would we be discussing Jon in a thread that has three pages of responses, nor would a ton of people say he is the most trustworthy newsman in America in a recent Time magazine poll. You may opine it's all just schtick, but a lot of people out there take the guy seriously, so therefore it goes beyond schtick.
 .dej
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Posted: 11/1/2010 11:04:03 PM

surely american isn't stupid enough to vote the same people who created the mess back into power ? surely?

Nobody else is running.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 43
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Posted: 11/2/2010 8:13:32 AM
It's a shame we have such a short memory. Early in the 20th century, the most widely admired man in the US was Will Rogers - a political satirist. Johnny Carson delivered the only criticisms of Reagan that most Americans got hear. Political comedy has always been around and popular; it's just that because it is topical it's forgotten more easily than the politicians (and I'll bet nobody here could name 10 politicians that Will Rogers or Johnny Carson made fun of).

The noise surrounding politics though has become more important than the politics itself. Louder does not mean smarter - this rally was both a rallying cry for rational discussion and a self parody. The fact that a couple of guys from Comedy Central outdrew the widely touted Tea Party and Glenn Beck 3 to 1 means that the vast majority isn't represented by far right loons, and wants to have polite discourse about public policy.

Finally, the Tea Party isn't racist, but there are a lot of racists in it. Saw this today, for example:

In Texas, for example, on the first day of early voting, there were reports of poll watchers, some suspected with ties to a tea party group called “True the Vote,” appearing at minority polling sites in Houston. They reportedly interfered with voters — allegedly watching them vote, following them and engaging in confrontational conversations.

Under Texas law, poll watchers are not allowed to even speak to a voter.

In Minnesota, the tea party-backed “Election Integrity Watch” is offering a $500 bounty to anyone who provides tips about fraud — perhaps encouraging already zealous activists to become over-zealous at the polls.

The organization is urging its volunteers to take pictures and videotape voters at the polls — classic voter intimidation. They advise volunteers to watch for buses at the polling place, then follow and videotape them.

It has also advised volunteers to look for non-citizen voters. It is unclear, however, how a poll watcher would know a voter’s citizenship status — other than by judging appearance or questioning them. This is considered an act of impermissible intimidation.

The Illinois GOP Senate candidate Mark Kirk was caught on a recording talking about a massive poll watcher operation in minority communities. In Massachusetts, tea partiers are also mobilizing. The president of the Greater Boston Tea Party said she was concerned about “Asian-American voters using utility bills to prove their addresses.”
 wisguyingb
Joined: 1/5/2008
Msg: 44
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Posted: 11/2/2010 8:50:10 AM
^^It sure must suck to only be a Spectator. My voice was heard today. Plus I was able to get 7 of my friends (that do not normally vote) out to the polls today. It was not easy, but a few weeks of bugging them did the trick. 7 is not much, but they just cancelled out 7 votes from the other side.
 wisguyingb
Joined: 1/5/2008
Msg: 45
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Posted: 11/2/2010 10:40:52 AM
LOL, Yeah ok. A bunch of NRA, X military, hunters and fisherman who talk about how much they want to be able to have the right to be able to have a Carry Concealed permit here in Wisconsin. And how much they can't stand Doyle and lefties in general. Carry Concealed will come to us when Walker is elected. And this was the motivation that got them out to the polls.
 wisguyingb
Joined: 1/5/2008
Msg: 46
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Posted: 11/2/2010 12:36:38 PM
^^I pushed the right to carry issue on them and got them thinking. And I just got back from taking my sister to the polls to vote for the 1st time since 2000. 7 is now 8!
 Hawaiianluau
Joined: 11/13/2008
Msg: 47
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Posted: 11/2/2010 12:43:07 PM

surely american isn't stupid enough to vote the same people who created the mess back into power ? surely?

Nobody else is running.

One of the biggest false premises of all time.
Propaganda at it's finest. Congratulations on your continued perpetuity.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 48
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Posted: 11/2/2010 6:47:26 PM


The Illinois GOP Senate candidate Mark Kirk was caught on a recording talking about a massive poll watcher operation in minority communities. In Massachusetts, tea partiers are also mobilizing. The president of the Greater Boston Tea Party said she was concerned about “Asian-American voters using utility bills to prove their addresses.”


Most ineffective intimidation campaign in the history of intimidation. Democrats are winning handily everywhere in Massachusetts.



surely american isn't stupid enough to vote the same people who created the mess back into power ? surely?


Wait, when did Ben Bernanke and Barney Frank lose power?
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 49
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Posted: 11/2/2010 10:52:07 PM

sure must suck to only be a Spectator.


Actually, the only vote I was really concerned about was the California pot initiative. Thank goodness that failed.

If it had passed, prices would have fallen and BC's biggest cash crop would have been in far less demand. A lot of people and whole communities in the interior would have been devastated.

And with a whole lot more Republicans, I'm hoping the "War on Drugs" gets a new impetus. I'm not in the trade myself, but it injects a lot of money into the economy here.
 Hawaiianluau
Joined: 11/13/2008
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Posted: 11/3/2010 12:53:51 AM

A lot of people and whole communities in the interior would have been devastated.

So would cartels and border gangs. More power to illegal activities.
 .dej
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Posted: 11/3/2010 1:38:05 AM
One of the biggest false premises of all time.
Propaganda at it's finest. Congratulations on your continued perpetuity.

derrrr... what?

Edit: Oh nevermind. You're one of those that thinks it was only the people you didn't like that created a problem. My bad. Carry on.
 Hawaiianluau
Joined: 11/13/2008
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Posted: 11/3/2010 1:32:02 PM
^^^

surely american isn't stupid enough to vote the same people who created the mess back into power ? surely?

In my state they elected the Democrat for governor who's been in the senate for 46 years so in my case we do have the person in power who helped create the mess.
I was referring to the winners yesterday who have never been to the national level yet and were not there to be blamed and yes total false premise.
Nevermind then.
 .dej
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Posted: 11/3/2010 2:07:23 PM
My bad. I was just being glib in my first post, referring generally to the collective of Republicans and Democrats, not specifically any particular one.

I'll admit my comment was not a productive one.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 56
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Posted: 11/3/2010 10:25:56 PM


Nothing serious about this rally other than the faces on the police around Washington D.C. Those guys at the White House are especially prone to frowns.


I think the rally was serious business for the Progressives. If people went to the polls angry they'd vote out the Democrats and vote in the Tea Party. If Stewart/Colbert could get them to calm down the people's short term memories would kick in and they'd vote back in the people who screwed the system up in the first place (well, maybe not the first place because those criminals have been dead for decades).
 Ed Bear
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Posted: 11/6/2010 10:44:01 AM
This is really the first time since new US border restrictions demanding a remotely-readable passport or driver's license that I regretted my stubbornness in refusing to get one. Frankly, I wondered if there was any point to such a rally - and I still do - but it must have been a heck of a good time! Haven't been to DC since late seventies, not long after Reagan had to be told that he'd been shot. (Only related event I can recall - not trying to make any point there...)

Is Stewart a pundit? Yes, if a comic one. Is Colbert edgier? Yes. But what Jon Stewart has that almost nobody else has is (as This West-Coast-formerly-east-coast-Canadian sees it) is an unfailing and consistent commitment to decency.

Even on his first show after Sanchez' firing, he defended the man as not a racist - even if his remarks made him unemployable, the totality of his words over many years made it clear he wasn't a racist.

The shrinking middle class in America has changed things - the middle ground is no longer the big plum that wins elections; extremism and polarization are boosted as a result. The elimination (by Reagan, wasn't it?) of the Fairness Doctrine hasn't helped; MSNBC and FOX news watchers will never hear any challenge to their world views. Note that Jon Stewart criticized MSNBC for choosing partisanship over determined reason, and chalked it up to the media's addiction to controversy to boost revenue. I'd add that pay-tv and cable have destroyed TV as a democratizing, uniting medium all the while they were degrading its quality.

It's ironic that up here in Canada, Stewart and Colbert are available on free broadcast TV (I'm talking rabbit ears) but their webcasts are blocked by licensing restrictions I don't understand. Not only that, another network bought the shows just to rerun them on the weekend!

Alas, we didn't get the Rally to Restore Fear/Sanity here at all. Or, if we did, it was at the last minute without warning, like some of their election specials.

In Canada, The Daily Show is flat out the best source of US news coverage we have (not counting the US channels themselves, and BBC, which isn't all that great and isn't free).

We love you, America. Glad to hear unemployment keeps dropping, Obama or no.
ED BEAR

(Canada and British Columbia are both under the heel of Texas-loving conservatives - nowhere near as whacko as tea-baggers - because we have too many centre-left parties splitting the vote!)
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 58
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Posted: 11/6/2010 2:52:12 PM


In Canada, The Daily Show is flat out the best source of US news coverage we have (not counting the US channels themselves, and BBC, which isn't all that great and isn't free).


This is actually pretty sad. The Daily Show and Colbert show just enough of the news to set up their next joke. We really don't get the whole story (or most of it) since it's not the show's purpose to act as a news agency.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 60
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Posted: 11/6/2010 9:35:03 PM


It would be sad if it had been identified as "flat out the best source of US news coverage we have."

But it wasn't.

It was identified as the best "not counting the US channels themselves, and BBC."

How is that sad?


Because it's not a source for news. It's a source for humor.
 Ed Bear
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Posted: 11/7/2010 2:19:12 AM
Seriously, Canadian news does cover the basics of US foreign policy and their elections, but never digs out the kind of local stories and stories about US opinion-makers that The Daily Show does. After all, it's a foreign country, and people who want serious news and can afford cable will watch the US channels.

But reflect again on how decent and gracious Jon Stewart is, even when he's getting people on Fox fired by visiting their shows.
ED BEAR
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 11/7/2010 5:28:55 AM

Because it's not a source for news. It's a source for humor.


Stewart and Colbert are sources for both the humor and truth of what passes for news during this sad state of US media. There are orders of magnitude more truth to be found on these "comedy" shows than one can find in any given half hour on Fox. The liars on Fox would be quite humorous themselves were they not doing so much damage to it's viewership and by extension the US and the world.
 itechman63
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Posted: 11/8/2010 1:10:21 PM

This is actually pretty sad. The Daily Show and Colbert show just enough of the news to set up their next joke. We really don't get the whole story (or most of it) since it's not the show's purpose to act as a news agency.


It really is sad when the televised news agencies that like to consider themselves to be serious journalistic outlets have become a bigger joke than actual jokes and when news parody actually does provide at least as much if not more fact.
 flyguy51
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Posted: 11/9/2010 12:13:58 PM
A lot of it is just the inherent lameness and mind-numbingness of the 24 hour news format. If the comedy channel had to satirize the news for 24 hours a day, it would be a dismal failure. There is plenty of comic fodder in the 24 hour news cycle to satirize in half an hour's time.

Quality over quantity is the key.
 Outdoor2
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Posted: 11/13/2010 6:17:18 PM
In Canada, you can watch Stewart and Colbert online at thecomedynetwork.ca

You can also watch extended interviews with many guests....much of it never made it to air.
 Ed Bear
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Posted: 11/14/2010 11:12:54 AM
Outdoor2: Believe me, I've tried - I don't know if thecomedynetwork.cs wants a subscription or demands that we download a dedicated player (the site keeps mentioning The Comedy Network Video Player, whatever that is), but it just sits there for a half-hour or so and then reports an error whenever I tried it - and I just did again. I suspect they're trying to do something to my computer, and it's secure Linux and won't co-operate.

Beyond that, I do understand that The Daily Show wants to honestly show full interviews without possibly misleading editing, but why not run them over two days? It really bothers me when a TV show or magazine gets me started on a story and then tries to send me to their website for the full story. Even Scientific American is starting to do this, and they cost me a fortune!

Alas, as a dial-up user, I can't stream video anyway, but thecomedynetwork.ca won't work at the library or my friends' places, either.
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