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 nipoleon
Joined: 12/27/2005
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Keep your government hands off my food stamps !

It's always amazing what people think they got a right to .
 NappyKAT
Joined: 7/2/2008
Msg: 27
Should New York Ban Using Food Stamps To Buy Sugary Drinks?
Posted: 10/14/2010 2:08:13 PM
Again I agree with Piratehaven.

The poor are always used as a scapegoat for cutbacks and trying to set things right, but that's only because they are an easy target. It's like being a mouse and taking all his crumbs away (for whatever reason) when it's the lion who has more control over what you do and how you do it. But you can't get at the lion or do anything to the lion because he's huge and aggressive and you're scared of him. But that little mouse - you just run all over them and do whatever you want. The lion even engages in it 'get that little mouse! He's sucking you try and taking all your food!' while the fatcat lion sits on millions of $$ and eats whole pies, cakes, cookies and all that he takes from you and the mouse together.

So these conversations on the poor are always the same and very predictable. Funny how non-Americans seem to understand that and foreign countries like Europe, Canada, and Australia have superior social programs than what we have here in America, but American is always ****in and complainin about the poor and what little programs that they do have.

And I'm reminded of the frog in the frying pan analogy and that little poem about 'they took everyone because I didn't speak up, and when they finally came for me there was no one to speak up for me' - as long as we consider ourselves not apart of a certain group, then it's OK to scapegoat that group and take from them, like the Poor and the Muslims. But just remember.... you too are apart of somebody's group that they don't like, and they would just as well want to take from you too. Hopefully we all realize this before it's too late but I fear it have to come to worse-to-worse before we ever learn.
 Annie was here
Joined: 3/12/2010
Msg: 28
Should New York Ban Using Food Stamps To Buy Sugary Drinks?
Posted: 10/14/2010 2:18:28 PM

It's always amazing what people think they got a right to .



I agree with you.I find it amazing that people think they have a right to do to others what they think is right and "best for them", just because they are bigger,stronger and in a better position.


No matter how big and strong we think we are there is always someone bigger and stronger who thinks they know best for us.



And baaaaaaaaaaa! went all the sheeple.
 NappyKAT
Joined: 7/2/2008
Msg: 29
Should New York Ban Using Food Stamps To Buy Sugary Drinks?
Posted: 10/14/2010 2:25:28 PM

It's a flawed idea, with good intentions. A better way would be to promote better choices with education. There's too many holes in the idea to make it something that would accomplish very much.
I agree.
 Hawaiianluau
Joined: 11/13/2008
Msg: 30
Should New York Ban Using Food Stamps To Buy Sugary Drinks?
Posted: 10/14/2010 2:49:18 PM
I collected food stamps once about 35 years ago when I was living on the beach. "All the kids were doing it" was really the only reason I applied. I think I took my first month's worth then never claimed another. The point is food stamps are a temporary fix to a dire problem. You would think and hope that people foresee themselves collecting for two, three or four months until things get better. I don't imagine anyone being upset going without their brand name sodas for a month or two.
If a person is going to protest the ban on soda I could only suspect that they must be planning on collecting the free money for two, three or thirty years whereby the best solution would be to let them eat the most unhealthy foods and remove themselves from the gene pool asap.
 pamsfl
Joined: 8/14/2009
Msg: 31
Should New York Ban Using Food Stamps To Buy Sugary Drinks?
Posted: 10/15/2010 3:58:58 AM
Ahh Alooo, normally I agree with you but I think you are clearly misguided here. If we were to let the government dictate government "handouts" as you call it, we would then have to dictate how people on umemployment, disability, etc spend their money too. Dangit, those people on umemployment better not be going to the movies or buying beer to watch the football game.

We all want government money, especially food stamps, to take care of the children. But there are plenty of people not on food stamps who don't nutritiously take care of their children. Walk into any McDonalds and you will see that. You can't dictate good parenting through government control. Personally, I'd like to stop all people who can't afford kids to stop having so many of them...but we can't do that either. Well, they do it in China, but then...yup - communism.
 Twilightslove
Joined: 12/9/2008
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Should New York Ban Using Food Stamps To Buy Sugary Drinks?
Posted: 10/15/2010 5:43:39 AM
There are many people using food stamps that do not fall into the typical imagined recipient that most people think of when they think of food stamp qualifiers.

An example is our military personnel:


In response to an earlier article, "Surviving on Military Pay," it appears that while most E-5s and above do not question the results of the Government Accountability Office (GAO) report on military compensation, a number of E-1 through E-4 personnel feel betrayed that GAO did not identify some very serious flaws in the current military pay structure.

Here are some quotes from a few letters on the topic:

- "I am an E-4 in the Army with two kids and a wife and there are many times that we live pay check to pay check. There are a lot of other specialists that live around me with kids and they too are living paycheck to paycheck. I would like to know where GAO took the survey from and what ranks because anyone less then a E-5 with kids is just barely making it by…"

- "My husband is deployed with a National Guard unit in Iraq. His military salary does not cover our monthly mortgage payment, and while he’s gone, my three children and I use food stamps to eat."

- "While we families under E-5 receive food stamps and other funding when available, we go from pay check to pay check robbing Peter to pay Paul."

- "Could you please do your part to inform GAO that most enlisted military personnel E-5 and below qualify for some kind of government assistance, i.e. food stamps, subsidized daycare. If my husband, a Corporal (E-4) in the Marine Corps, and others like him, is so well paid, then why do we qualify for government assistance? My family and thousands of families like ours have to live from paycheck to paycheck not because we are trying to live beyond our means, but because our means are above what the military member is being paid."

Anyone reading the GAO report might be inclined to wonder why many people in the military are complaining about their pay or are on food stamps when GAO reported that the "total annual cost to provide military compensation was about on average $112,000.00 per active duty servicemember." The fact is that more than half of that $112K is in the form of deferred compensation such as retirement benefits that apply to less than one in five servicemembers who will serve a full career. For the four out of five servicemembers who will never receive retirement benefits, it’s the up-front pay today that is of significance. It is this pay, and not the deferred benefits, that GAO needs to carefully analyze.

The current military pay structure made sense prior to the introduction of the All-Volunteer Force in 1973 when most E-1 through E-4 personnel were single. Programmed pay increases for E-5 and above were not simply based upon their greater knowledge, experience and longevity, but also on the fact that most E-5s and above had spouses and children to support. Because most E-1s through E-4s were single and married only after they were promoted or returned to civilian life, the pay they received proved adequate to meet their single expenses.

http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,82088,00.html


I think these people are dictated to enough myself. Then there are people who have never ever had to use food stamps receiving them today as they lost good paying jobs and haven't found another job that supports their lifestyle. Even though many of them have had to downgrade their lifestyle the expenses are still too great for them to provide the necessary food for their families. I'm sure they never expected to be in such a dire situation yet they are and now there are those who want to dictate how they spend those food stamps.

Are people looking to government to be a dictatorship?
 DrummingNut
Joined: 4/26/2010
Msg: 33
Should New York Ban Using Food Stamps To Buy Sugary Drinks?
Posted: 10/15/2010 9:53:04 AM

Anybody who has a problem with the government dictating how they spend their food stamps is more than welcome to get off food stamps. Government assistance programs should be unpleasant so that people will work hard to get off of them and stay off them.
Well aren't you just High and Mighty.
How will you live with yourself if tomorrow you have an accident...
you can no longer work, you're in a wheelchair the rest of your life..
your medical bills (insurance never pays all) eventually wipe you out..
etc etc etc..
your family can no longer help you financially..
and you find yourself having to get govt. assistance, with no way to "work hard" to get away from that.
I'm serious. Will you remember your High and Mighty words then?
Will you be alright with being made to feel like dirt?
 RushLuv
Joined: 4/16/2009
Msg: 34
Should New York Ban Using Food Stamps To Buy Sugary Drinks?
Posted: 10/15/2010 10:06:01 AM
^^I agree with OLP whole heartily.

I don't think placing a ban on sugary drinks for people on food stamps wouldn't be able to purchase those drinks, is not a good idea at all.

What is it to those people? Why does it matter what people on government assistance, are doing with their food stamps? Why do people feel that have to be so damn cruel? Poor people in this country are going through enough troubles, and banning sugary drinks should be the last thing to be concerned about. There are much bigger issues in this country to focus on.
 tinainhouston39
Joined: 8/9/2009
Msg: 35
Should New York Ban Using Food Stamps To Buy Sugary Drinks?
Posted: 10/15/2010 10:31:47 AM
Back in the 80's I was a checker at a grocery store. One customer that I will never forget was purchasing a HUGE amount of beef. Being young I'm sure I asked, or made some stupid comment. Her reply was "Ohh most of that is for my dog, I can't buy dog food with my food stamps". Yeah...even in my young state I just thought...her dog is eating beef and I'm working, eating soup.

There is something seriously wrong with the system.
 Delete_Me_Please
Joined: 11/10/2009
Msg: 36
Should New York Ban Using Food Stamps To Buy Sugary Drinks?
Posted: 10/15/2010 11:12:35 AM

Why does it matter what people on government assistance, are doing with their food stamps? Why do people feel that have to be so damn cruel?

Depriving someone on food stamps of soft drinks is your idea of "damn cruel"??? This is mind boggling to me. Soft drinks provide zero nutritional value. They are a LUXURY. If someone wants to enjoy a luxury, they have to earn it. If the government gave out health stamps, would you be arguing that people should be able to spend them on boob jobs and tummy tucks?

This mentality that government assistance programs should allow people to live comfortably is why people will stay on them as long as they can. The assistance should merely be sustainable and just uncomfortable enough that people will do all they can to get off them.


and you find yourself having to get govt. assistance, with no way to "work hard" to get away from that.
I'm serious. Will you remember your High and Mighty words then?

I certainly wouldn't be complaining that the money given to me couldn't be spent on sugary drinks. I have absolutely no problem with people in such dire circumstances receiving additional luxuries from charitable organizations but that's not how tax dollars should be spent. And such dire circumstances do NOT apply to the vast majority of people on government assistance. This is typical of ungrateful Americans. I'm betting if the folks in Africa got $5/day they wouldn't gripe, "This is bullshit that I can only buy meat and produce and milk and breads and grains...but I can't buy a Mountain Dew."


If we were to let the government dictate government "handouts" as you call it, we would then have to dictate how people on umemployment, disability, etc spend their money too.

For starters, there's no reason to put "handouts" in quotes. It's all free money.

I absolutely think that all these programs need to be redesigned to properly serve their intended purposes. Instead, they're just easy money for anybody who wants to take advantage of them. I recently moved from Los Angeles where the entertainment industry prevails. A person could work one day of eligible employment in the last year and earn a huge chunk of change, then work one day this quarter and the following week they're eligible for full unemployment benefits, which I believe are around $400/week (in some states, they're higher than $500). Then the following week they could work just one day and earn a few grand and the next week they can continue to collect. Essentially, the government is paying for a nice vacation and a BMW car payment each month until the next job comes along. And I don't blame anybody for cashing in where they can. That's why it's the government that needs to make the changes so it's not so convenient.

If anybody thinks the government shouldn't get involved, then doesn't that mean the government should just do away with these programs altogether? Is that the better option?
 Annie was here
Joined: 3/12/2010
Msg: 37
Should New York Ban Using Food Stamps To Buy Sugary Drinks?
Posted: 10/15/2010 11:43:49 AM
How will you live with yourself if tomorrow you have an accident...
you can no longer work, you're in a wheelchair the rest of your life..
your medical bills (insurance never pays all) eventually wipe you out..
etc etc etc..
your family can no longer help you financially..
and you find yourself having to get govt. assistance, with no way to "work hard" to get away from that.
I'm serious. Will you remember your High and Mighty words then?
Will you be alright with being made to feel like dirt?


If it were to happen to these people that they would be the ones to scream the loudest.They would be screaming"unfair" to everyone and everywhere they could.The problem would be that no one would care just like they don't care now.In the states it is a crime to be poor and those "criminals" must be punished and controlled accordingly.


None of this is about pop it's about taking away someones choices.It's about the stronger people flexing their muscle and pushing around those who are weaker and who have no power.As I said before "No matter how big and strong you are there is always someone bigger and stronger then you who thinks they know what is best for you".How many times must this happen in history(and currently)to convince people that it can happen anywhere,to anyone at anytime?


And baaaaaaaaaa baaaaaaaaaa! go the sheeple again.
 peppermint petunias
Joined: 9/2/2009
Msg: 38
Should New York Ban Using Food Stamps To Buy Sugary Drinks?
Posted: 10/15/2010 11:50:54 AM
In America? Yes..
I lean towards thinking it is a good idea.
No nutritional value, causes tooth decay,hyperactivity and diabetes/obesity in some cases..thus more money spent treating THOSE problems.

The money saved on the drinks and the problems it causes could be to put more food in the the mouths of those that need it.

I don't believe it would be an embarrassment..Not to buy sugary drinks.
Diluted no sugar added fruit juice is a sweet treat IMO and starts healthy habits.
 Twilightslove
Joined: 12/9/2008
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Should New York Ban Using Food Stamps To Buy Sugary Drinks?
Posted: 10/15/2010 12:13:45 PM
Most of the people that you are thinking of who are on food stamps are also on WIC. WIC stands for Women, Infants, and Children. The program was started to make sure that pregnant women ate healthier and attended a gynecologist during her pregnancy. Believe it or not many young pregnant moms did not see a doctor in the past until they were ready to deliver. The program is also there to make sure infants (especially those underweight, sickly, and/or premature) get the needed nutritional formulas, milk, cereals, etc. up until they reach the age of five. Women are required to go to classes that teach about making better nutritional choices for their children. The classes are mandatory to remain on the program.

In my state, you also have to go to classes for employment and be actively seeking work if you are unemployed in order to get food stamps for you and your children. If you refuse to attend those classes your children will go without food. Texas has many young moms who speak little English attending those classes. Many of them do not have the necessary skills, language, and education so Texas provides many of them with the tools to succeed such as specific skills, English lessons, and courses to receive their GED. If you attend all the necessary classes and still cannot find work by a specified time then you are required to do volunteer work for one of the many state government agencies.

These people are not getting a free ride or at least not in Texas.

There will always be people who get around the requirements yet the biggest offenders are not always the little people. Most of the biggest frauds are perpetrated by people with good educations and have associations that receive money from such programs. Just look at the latest Medicare fraud. Several men set up false doctor's offices and using identity theft scammed the system for millions of dollars. It was on the Yahoo front page yesterday.
 Delete_Me_Please
Joined: 11/10/2009
Msg: 40
Should New York Ban Using Food Stamps To Buy Sugary Drinks?
Posted: 10/15/2010 12:54:36 PM
Twilightslove, your description of the way unemployment compensation works in Texas sounds like a GREAT plan to me. It forces people to get out of their jammies on a regular basis to attend classes or volunteer work. Perhaps those requirements explain in part why a quick search shows that Texas' unemployment (at 8.3%) is below the national average whereas the most populated state, California, has an unemployment rate way above the national average at 12.4%. In California, you're supposed to look for other work but really, you could fill out the form from Hawaii if you wanted to. The system you described is one in which the government dictates that people be productive while receiving assistance, which is how it should be.


Is that really the alternative? Because people on government assistance are eating non-nutritive food we should just eliminate unemployment insurance and welfare?

My statement applies only to people who say the government shouldn't be involved. But the notion that the government should be involved as far as handing out money but shouldn't be involved in how that money is spent is absurd to me. Our government is not a charity.


For that matter, why focus on Coke or Pepsi? How many foods can we say contain low levels of macro or micronutrients?

Personally, I think it's only fair to target all products that contain empty calories. Even a hamburger is more nutritious than a Coke. As for this particular focus, msg 27 includes a quote (source not included) that gives a very logical explanation for why only sodas have been targeted at this time.
 RushLuv
Joined: 4/16/2009
Msg: 41
Should New York Ban Using Food Stamps To Buy Sugary Drinks?
Posted: 10/15/2010 1:02:03 PM

Depriving someone on food stamps of soft drinks is your idea of "damn cruel"??? This is mind boggling to me.


I don't know why.


Soft drinks provide zero nutritional value. They are a LUXURY. If someone wants to enjoy a luxury, they have to earn it.


What I don't get, is why do you and others give a flying fig what people using government assistance spend their food stamps on. Oh...that's right. Soft drinks are a "luxury," and have no nutrition. Give me a break. What I would really like to know, is why do you and others care what people are spending their food stamps on. One of the reasons why people get food stamps to begin with, is because they don't have the income.


If the government gave out health stamps, would you be arguing that people should be able to spend them on boob jobs and tummy tucks?


Just like food stamps, I wouldn't give a flying fig what people spend their health stamps on, had they existed.
 SilentInk
Joined: 3/20/2010
Msg: 42
Should New York Ban Using Food Stamps To Buy Sugary Drinks?
Posted: 10/15/2010 1:33:54 PM
Coming from a family that emigrated from Russia we were on food stamps for about 3 month until my father got hired by Warner Brothers. We wouldn't even be on food stamps if my mom didn't lose all of our money in Moscow because of a scam. But I digress...

It was embarrassing enough to be on food stamps (IMO), nor can I even imagine going into a store and getting a soda pop only for a cashier to loudly shout "Sorry ma'am your FOOD STAMPS no longer permit you to buy this luxury". I also can’t imagine all the kids around me drinking soda meanwhile I would have had to sit on the side line feeling like I am worse than everybody else.

You also have to keep in mind that a lot of people on food stamps HAVE KIDS and children sometimes do crave little soda pops and candy etc. Would it really be fair to deprive kids that come from poor families of something that is normal for kids to want and crave? So basically little Billy goes to school and all his classmates are sipping on sodas meanwhile he feels like crap because he thinks his family is NOT GOOD ENOUGH to bask in that “luxury”? Ridiculous.

I am pretty sure people that are on financial assistance don't splurge their money on 30 sodas a month. I know when we first immigrated my mom bought us soda every once in awhile, it certainly wasn’t an everyday thing. I am an adult now and I don’t even drink soda and haven’t for years because I rather have good skin (I am a health nut that way), but I do remember thinking of soda as some magic potion when I was a little girl (yea yea I am an immigrant, we really didn’t have soda where I am from), and I would feel awful if everyone could have it but me.
 daynadaze
Joined: 2/11/2008
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Should New York Ban Using Food Stamps To Buy Sugary Drinks?
Posted: 10/15/2010 1:40:38 PM
I got a 'boob job' on medicaid, many years ago. It wasn't a very good one, I look like someone cut me up, but it did relieve all the weight from my shoulders and back from having ridiculously huge boobs. It took over a year for the grooves to leave my shoulders, it was a terrible burden to have those useless boobs and I'm forever grateful that I had any insurance at the time and that it was covered. Haters will hate, as the saying goes, but you cannot know the whys of why people get into bad situations sometimes. Personally it does not bother me to pay taxes to help those in need. I been on welfare and I've also worked at the welfare office, it's not black & white. Sure there will always be those who abuse the system but that does not mean the system shouldn't be there.
 nipoleon
Joined: 12/27/2005
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Should New York Ban Using Food Stamps To Buy Sugary Drinks?
Posted: 10/15/2010 2:57:35 PM
There's nothing wrong with the government dictating how government assistance money can be spent.

If your child comes to you and asks for $10, you'd probably give it to him with little thought. But, if your child came to you and asked for $500, wouldn't you want to know what they're going to spend it on ? Wouldn't you dictate to them how that much money would be spent ?

If you get a loan from the bank, the bank isn't going to just let you play with it. The bank is going to insist upon dictating exactly what you do with it.

Not only is there nothing wrong with the government doing this, it's a very good idea for the government to do this.
Nobody's going to just hand over a bunch of money and let you spend it with no questions asked ( unless you're a Wall Street banker ).

The FDA spends a lot of taxpayer money researching and establishing healthy dietary guidelines. The government should absolutely dictate that taxpayer assistance money be spent on healthy nutritious food.

Food money should be spent on food, housing money should pay for housing, education money should be spent on education.
This is the way it should be.

We have just gotten used to a very perverted idea of what healthy food really is. If we don't get our pizza, french fries, potato chips, ding-dongs, and soda pop we think we are being denied something.

There are a lot of people in 3rd world countries who would gladly take all the good nutritious food we throw away every day.
 Hawaiianluau
Joined: 11/13/2008
Msg: 45
Should New York Ban Using Food Stamps To Buy Sugary Drinks?
Posted: 10/15/2010 3:21:03 PM
It's the threat of incremental control which governments are masters of that is disturbing. When they start doling out free health care the looming precedents like this one leaves the government an open book to edit to their whim.
I know there's something in there that gives the logical fallacy police (if there are any still about) something to whine about but it doesn't mean it's untrue. Like the government owning certain auto companies. We were assured that would never happen.
 arwen52
Joined: 3/13/2008
Msg: 46
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Should New York Ban Using Food Stamps To Buy Sugary Drinks?
Posted: 10/15/2010 9:05:55 PM

. Officials said the proposal targets sugary drinks because they are the largest contributor to obesity.

More than half of adult New York City residents are overweight or obese, along with nearly 40 percent of public school students in kindergarten through eighth grade.

City officials said lower-income residents are most likely to drink one or more sugar-sweetened drinks a day; adult-onset diabetes is also twice as common among poor New Yorkers compared to the wealthiest.


The ban does not stop anyone from buying anything. However, they cannot buy soda with Food Stamps.

Personally, I support it. I know there's plenty of junk that people can still buy with Food Stamps, but I think this is a good first step and sends a significant message.

If people are so low income that they need assistance to buy food, should the assistance they receive be used to buy soda? Soda is not food. If they really suffer from a lack of nutritious food, how is helping them to buy soda helpful?

Personally, I think that massive education on nutrition is in order. Teach people the basics about a nutritious diet and how to create one on a tight budget.

I don't know if they still have it, but when I lived in the Ozarks, many of my neighbors, who were low income, received "commodities." It was things like peanut butter and I don't remember what else. It was some sort of surplus. I never hear about that any more. The WIC program, which some mentioned, gave women who were pregnant or had young children vouchers for particular foods like milk, cheese, eggs, and grape juice, which is high in iron and vitamin C. The point was to get some high quality foods into their diet.
 Delete_Me_Please
Joined: 11/10/2009
Msg: 47
Should New York Ban Using Food Stamps To Buy Sugary Drinks?
Posted: 10/15/2010 11:47:30 PM

What I don't get, is why do you and others give a flying fig what people using government assistance spend their food stamps on.

There are two reasons for me, both economic. The first is that it's completely illogical to use tax dollars to finance an eating habit that contributes to multiple health problems, which in turn cost more tax dollars to care for. It's a double whammy. The second, which I've stated, is that food stamps shouldn't be comfortable. When people are comfortable, they don't make changes. Why should anybody bust their ass in an entry-level, minimum-wage job if they can just not work at all and eek out a living on government assistance? Or better yet, they can earn money under the table AND collect government assistance and live a pretty decent life. Dollars wasted on career welfare recipients could be spent on rehabilitation or training programs instead to get those people into the workforce.

I'll emphasize that I fully support food stamps to assist people in trouble but the aim should be to get them off the program as soon as possible. Nobody's going to die because they have to go a little while without a Coke.


But realistically, how would this be administered? We could include in that list pasta, cookies, animal products, cheese, or maybe anything that comes packaged in a creamed sauce. Would the people responsible for checking-out grocery items be charged with the responsibility of reading product labels, or would some front-run edit pop-up on a cash register screen that disallowed food stamp purchases of these items?

This was addressed in msg 7 that the technology is already in place. It would just be a matter of establishing certain standards.


Welfare is financial assistance of the last resort. If some poor welfare Joe wants a Coke after mowing his government housing-community lawn on a hot day, let him have this small enjoyment.
Do you feel the same way about him having a beer or cigarette on the government's tab at the end of the day? I don't see how a beer or tobacco is any less necessary or less of a health risk than a Coke so if anybody is okay with the current restrictions, it would seem we're in agreement with each other that the government should have some influence, we just don't agree on which products.


So basically little Billy goes to school and all his classmates are sipping on sodas meanwhile he feels like crap because he thinks his family is NOT GOOD ENOUGH to bask in that “luxury”?

What about little Suzy whose parents work full time to barely make ends meet and she doesn't have a Coke but Billy does. How should she feel about the fact that the kid on food stamps has a Coke and she doesn't? True story: I was so sick of the crappy food I had to bring to school each day that I wrote a check to the school cafeteria in the first grade. It sucks to have less than the people around you-- I know that quite well-- which is why people should instead be looking at the ones who are even worse off and appreciate what they've got. In the grand scheme of things, the kid who's "stuck" drinking milk is better off than the one with the Coke and they're both better off than the kid who can't even get fresh water.


I am pretty sure people that are on financial assistance don't splurge their money on 30 sodas a month.

According to the figures in msg 27, approximately 5% of food stamp dollars are spent on sugary drinks in New York. So using the starting figure of $155 from msg 5, that's about $7.50, which can get you three cases of soda (on sale), which equals 36 cans. Think about it-- that's the average amount that's being spent just on sugary drinks and doesn't even include how many dollars are squandered on ice cream, cookies, potato chips...
 clockwork lime
Joined: 8/12/2009
Msg: 48
Should New York Ban Using Food Stamps To Buy Sugary Drinks?
Posted: 10/16/2010 12:26:09 PM

Sure there will always be those who abuse the system but that does not mean the system shouldn't be there.

Nor does it mean that we should give up trying to prevent abuse of the system.

While I object to the concept of any government trying to dictate how people should spend their money, I am also aware that money (food stamps, etc.) given to people by the government isn't really theirs. The government has no money to give, all funding comes from people who pay taxes.
Why shouldn't there be conditions on that money?
When I apply for a loan or recieve money that I haven't earned (yet), there's always conditions to be met.
If people are recieving assistance for the ostensible purpose of meeting their basic daily needs because they have no other means of obtaining it, then shouldn't there be checks and balances to ensure this is happening? I realize that it would be almost impossible to guarantee that this would be the case, but I don't understand why people would object to the principle of attempting to do so.
 peppermint petunias
Joined: 9/2/2009
Msg: 49
Should New York Ban Using Food Stamps To Buy Sugary Drinks?
Posted: 10/16/2010 1:01:27 PM

I got a 'boob job' on medicaid, many years ago. It wasn't a very good one,

I am sure your back is better but some take advantage.

A woman that used to live near me got a gastric bypass on the government and went from 350 ponds to 125 pounds, then they paid for a tummy tuck and a boob lift because the skin flapping chapped her..

She then was so depressed she went on disability and food stamps.
They did everything but buy her dentures at the ripe old age of 37 and now if the DA*RUNK lives another 25 years..whew!!..

One way or another her food stamps make it so she can buy her booze with her other gov money.

Extreme example but THAT case chaps me the wrong way.

I don't think anyone in the government can figure out how to make anything economically work and that people that want to abuse the system can and will..Period..

It can be worked around by cons.
Always has been.

Back when they looked like dollars/paper I would see them buying booze..The stores didn't care they jacked up the price of the booze ,write it up as bread and ham.

The people who deserve it could get health benefits, eye and dental..but we pay for gastric bypass . GAWD..

Then those that sell their food stamps..They see you in the store..I will pay for your 20 dollar bag of food with my stamps you give me 12 bucks..It happens.

I certainly don't have a solution..but I know wrong is wrong..and it isn't right the way it is.
I have seen 15 bucks worth of sodas in a basket and they whip out a card..NO vegetables in the cart at all.
I feel for the kids..Adults should KNOW better.
 DrummingNut
Joined: 4/26/2010
Msg: 50
Should New York Ban Using Food Stamps To Buy Sugary Drinks?
Posted: 10/16/2010 3:27:40 PM

Our government is not a charity.

A whole lot of disaster areas of other countries don't get charity from our govt?


Anyway, I don't see "no soda" for food stamp folk doing ANY good.

People will NOT end up getting healthier because of that action.

It's just another finger the govt. wants to stick in lives to control the people.
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