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 Ready4SomethingFun
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Maybe NPR got it wrong. Or maybe, just maybe, there is a difference between a teenage pregnancy and a "nonmarital birth." Hmmmmm.....


Of course there is, but other posters started throwing stats about porn rates in blue and other nonsense that has nothing to do with the subject at hand (look one up from you), so I thought I'd join in. But really, if you look within those stats you will see data that does actually pertain to the subject of teen pregnancy.


We also need to consider that poverty, a low income culture, and poor education also affect the rate of teen pregnancy among minorities.


No argument with you on any of that. I think the only argument we really have is on weather or not a wealthy christian white (formerly) teenage girl (who happens to be Sarah Palin's daughter--which is the sticking point for most here--although you say that is not your issue, and I'll take you at your word on that) should be allowed to voice her opinion and offer advice on something she actually has experienced to those minorities or not. I say she has something of value to offer, you say not. That is all it comes down to.


Teen pregnancies highest in "family values" states. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db46.pdf


You still have to look at the data within that blanket statement to see the real truth of it. How many unwed mothers, poverty, and other factors come into play in those states. I'm willing to bet there is a correlation.

Edit: I checked and there is. Even though the rates are highest in the conservative states, it's those who would most likely be democrat voters who have the highest birthrates.

And what does wife swapping have to do with any of this? Or is that another of your attempts to derail?

 4rumninja
Joined: 11/30/2009
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Posted: 7/28/2011 8:33:01 AM

Teen pregnancies highest in "family values" states. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db46.pdf
The Bible Belt, essentially.
The Poverty belt essentially...Pretty much every state that ranks highest in Teen pregnancies also ranks in the top states as far as percentage of the population that is living in poverty..
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 104
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Posted: 7/28/2011 8:51:27 AM

No argument with you on any of that. I think the only argument we really have is on weather or not a wealthy christian white (formerly) teenage girl (who happens to be Sarah Palin's daughter--which is the sticking point for most here--although you say that is not your issue, and I'll take you at your word on that) should be allowed to voice her opinion and offer advice on something she actually has experienced to those minorities or not. I say she has something of value to offer, you say not. That is all it comes down to.


The reason you only find gobs of stuff on Bristol's chin is that that's all there is...there's very little one can find on her advocacy on abstinence only-a failed plan...and if one looks hard enough one can find a disconnect between her paid advocacy of abstinance only and her personal views onabstinence and BC.

And it also bears to mind if one cannot find anything about abstinance only when googling Bristol Palin then how are children suppose to be getting this important message for the abstinence only spokes person????


We also need to consider that poverty, a low income culture, and poor education also affect the rate of teen pregnancy among minorities.




National (WashPost) — There are simple arguments for why so many black women have children without marriage.



The legacy of segregation, the logic goes, means blacks are more likely to attend inferior schools. This creates a high proportion of blacks unprepared to compete for jobs in today’s economy, where middle-class industrial work for unskilled laborers has largely disappeared.

The drug epidemic sent disproportionate numbers of black men to prison and crushed the job opportunities for those who served their time. Women do not want to marry men who cannot provide for their families, and welfare laws created a financial incentive for poor mothers to stay single.

If you remove these inequalities, some say, the 72 percent will decrease.

“It’s all connected. The question should be, how has the black family survived at all?” says Maria Kefalas, co-author of “Promises I Can Keep: Why Poor Women Put Motherhood Before Marriage.”

http://newsone.com/nation/newsonestaff2/report-72-percent-of-african-american-babies-born-to-unwed-mothers/


The Poverty belt essentially...Pretty much every state that ranks highest in Teen pregnancies also ranks in the top states as far as percentage of the population that is living in poverty..


Since these are the poverty states then one can conclude that these are also the states with the lowest level of education...one goes hand in hand with the other...and education tends to be the key to controling unwanted pregnancy...educating our children in how to use effective BC...abstinence only being the most effective method and the only least used....unfortunately, the bible belt, eg...the evangelical conservative right...says close Planned Parenthood, because they perform abortions...forgetting/ignoring/not knowing that this is where most of the poor go to get effective BC
 totalazzhole
Joined: 3/27/2011
Msg: 105
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Posted: 7/28/2011 8:56:48 AM
maybe Monica Lewsinsky would be a better spokesperson (gettign too old now though)

"put that sucker in your mouth, not your vag & you avoid pregnancy"
 Ready4SomethingFun
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Posted: 7/28/2011 9:10:54 AM
The reason you only find gobs of stuff on Bristol's chin is that that's all there is...there's very little one can find on her advocacy on abstinence only-a failed plan...and if one looks hard enough one can find a disconnect between her paid advocacy of abstinance only and her personal views on abstinence and BC.


If one listens hard enough you will find that she realises abstinance only is not the only answer. She has said as much numerous times in numerous interviews and in her book. But she is being paid by a group that espouses that form of BC no matter how wrongheaded it is. But I grew up near a college (University of Dayton, a Christian college) where you can still to this day find girls who practice it. My oldest son dated a girl for 2 years who practised it. It is not a total fairy-tale, but it is true that it is a very small minority who adhere to it. It still doesn't change the fact that she has been through all of this and she may have some decent advise for someone out there. There are plenty of other people espousing the "no glove, no love" method too, aren't there? Or is Bristol Palin the only girl out there talking about this stuff?


And it also bears to mind if one cannot find anything about abstinance only when googling Bristol Palin then how are children suppose to be getting this important message for the abstinence only spokes person????


Got me, go to page 4 on google where the reports of plastic surgery rumors stop, I guess. Those kids are smart remember? You said so. They can figure out everything except how to use a freaking rubber apparently.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
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Posted: 7/28/2011 9:43:33 AM

Those kids are smart remember? You said so. They can figure out everything except how to use a freaking rubber apparently.


Those children in the bible belt are recieving two distinctly different messages...abstinence only...and...
their parents, preachers, and politicians practicing gay, straight, and internet sex....and these are the people whom they are getting the message from not Bristol Palin.
 Welsh474
Joined: 9/13/2010
Msg: 108
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Posted: 7/28/2011 10:20:36 AM
Again, her claim to fame is coat tails of a failed politician. Kids listen to rock stars, movie stars, pop stars, tv stars and the like. I'm not saying that this is a correct way of getting information or that these folks are the best role models because they certainly aren't. But who cares about the daughter of a politician. The media gave some lip service to the exploits of the Bush twins but they were never used as role models or advocates for anything, as far as I'm aware and I'm not prepared to waste my time doing a Google search.

And I do agree with the last sentence in the above postby Irish. How true.
 4rumninja
Joined: 11/30/2009
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Posted: 7/28/2011 10:33:07 AM
It's funny to see so many on here say that Politics has nothing to do with their opinion of Bristol and her advocacy...most of you who say that she is a poor role model and what not are admitted Liberals on other threads..anyone can advocate for anything if you don't like her message don't go see her speak...she was a teen, she got pregnant, she had a baby(instead of aborting it) ..Her opinion on the subject holds a lot more weight than most of us who didn't experience that first hand...Many of you act like teen pregnancy is only about finances..there is more to having a child than figuring out how to pay for it...
 BigBadNIrish
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Posted: 7/28/2011 10:48:26 AM

she had a baby(instead of aborting it) ..Her opinion on the subject holds a lot more weight than most of us who didn't experience that first hand....


This is how we and all our children got here...our prents chose to have us and we chose to have our children...it was our choice...not some stupid white guy who made it for us....and to say that someone who advocates abstinance only-for money...and then speaks publically about abstinance and BC when being paid by someone else...is hypocritical at best.


Many of you act like teen pregnancy is only about finances..there is more to having a child than figuring out how to pay for it..


LOL...yep...feeding, clothing, and housing have nothing to do with the choice to have a child...other then it's one of the leading reasons women have for abortion.


..Her opinion on the subject holds a lot more weight than most of us who didn't experience that first hand


How would you know??? Yanno...by your example "You" who have no children should have no vioce in all of this...beccause how could you possible know?
 RichenLosAngeles
Joined: 11/14/2010
Msg: 111
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Posted: 7/28/2011 11:42:03 AM
Wow, over 160 posts on this thread(so far).
There are about 22 million teens in America, and I find it just a wee bit arrogant for most of the posters to strike down the notion that somebody, anybody, is not capable of reaching some of them.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 112
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Posted: 7/28/2011 2:13:38 PM

If one listens hard enough you will find that she realises abstinance only is not the only answer. She has said as much numerous times in numerous interviews and in her book. But she is being paid by a group that espouses that form of BC no matter how wrongheaded it is.

Ready, whether you intended to or not, you have hit the crux of the alleged hypocrisy here. She advocates an ineffective, perhaps even counterproductive platform because it pays well. The real head scratcher is that you use this in defense of Bristol's advocacy.

Picking money over principle even when your mother is a millionaire on the rise? Hmmm... perhaps that is why the conservatives don't see a problem with this picture?

It's funny to see so many on here say that Politics has nothing to do with their opinion of Bristol and her advocacy...

4rumninja, this line of commentary is getting old, man. The real "funny" here is that you are trying to establish the moral high ground in regards to maintaining objectivity, while your posting history reflects a worldview that is so mind-numbingly politically biased and blindly partisan that if President Obama himself pulled you out of a burning car wreck, your recollection of the event would invariably be something like "Well, he did yank on my arms a bit harder than was necessary. I think he might have issues with white people."
 RichenLosAngeles
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Posted: 7/28/2011 2:42:37 PM
Welsh, maybe Bristol is not the "right" choice, why does there have to be 1 choice, why not a bunch of them?
 Ready4SomethingFun
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Posted: 7/28/2011 2:49:47 PM

Ready, whether you intended to or not, you have hit the crux of the alleged hypocrisy here. She advocates an ineffective, perhaps even counterproductive platform because it pays well. The real head scratcher is that you use this in defense of Bristol's advocacy.

Picking money over principle even when your mother is a millionaire on the rise? Hmmm... perhaps that is why the conservatives don't see a problem with this picture?


To be fair, I just went over to the Candies foundation website. I watched some of the videos, and the message is far from abstinance only. She says that is what's right for her, she made a mistake, and she hopes everyone will think before they have sex, she advocates condom use also. It's not a hardline "DON'T HAVE SEX" campaign. Fergie, Hillary Duff and others are doing the ads too. You think Fergie is practicing abstanance?

I really, honestly don't see a thing wrong with it. She can use her experiences to let people know what it's like.

I don't see it as her picking money over principal. I see her using an experience to teach others. But would you rather she hop on the welfare? She would be eligible, you know, she is over 18 now........So yeah, if she can parlay her experiences into something that will cause a few people to think twice, or use condoms, or even (Jesus forbid) abstain from sex, more power to her.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
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Posted: 7/28/2011 2:58:43 PM
She is on welfare. It's just the kind of welfare that most teen moms aren't eligible for.

The foundation paid her 262 k for about 20 days work and over 70k for a smaller amount of work. You know what else they did? Gave one grant of $25,000 and another of $10,000. That's it. Clearly the money was just funnelled through this organization to put cash in her pocket.
 RSwindol
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Posted: 7/29/2011 3:59:49 AM
And the reason there are more divorces in Bible belt states? Because of the greater chance of "living together" (as in "try it before you buy it") in lib states. Divorce rates don't include those people shacking up who decide not to anymore.

I don't believe this as all. As a resident of both Massachusetts and Mississippi (extreme political opposites), I can honestly tell you that I didn't witness people living together before marriage more in a "lib" state than bible belt state. What I have noticed is that people get married at a younger age in the bible belt regions.

To back up this statement:
http://pewsocialtrends.org/2009/10/15/marriages-and-divorce-a-50-state-tour/
Just click on the tab that says "Median Age At First Marriage" and you will see that typically our liberal states get married at an older age. Look at states like Massachusetts, New York and California (most liberal states).

When people wait until they are more mature, they are less likely to get a divorce. Go to that same page and click on the tab "Share Currently Divorced". You will notice that the same states (MA, NY, CA) that were some of the highest for age of marriage, also have the lowest number of currently divorced.

To take this one step further, you can click on the tap "Share Married 3 or More Times" and see that some of the highest states are in the center of the Bible belt. Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, and Oklahoma.

These facts, along with this Bristol Palin issue just further proves the hypocrisy of Bible belters.


she was a teen, she got pregnant, she had a baby(instead of aborting it) ..Her opinion on the subject holds a lot more weight than most of us who didn't experience that first hand

Why, when it comes to safe sex, should anyone take Bristol Palin's word over mine? I'm a 35-year-old man who has practiced safe sex very effectively for nearly 20 years and I have no children to show for it. Bristol failed at safe sex after a short period of time, unless she started very, very young, which makes her even less credible as an abstinence teacher.
 Ready4SomethingFun
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Posted: 7/29/2011 4:16:08 AM
Clearly the money was just funnelled through this organization to put cash in her pocket.


Gee does that statement hold true for Hillary Duff, Fergie and the others who do work for the foundation? Or just Palin?

The Candie's foundation isn't a lib throw (taxpayer) money at the problem and hope it will solve the problems. They create ad campaigns to raise awareness from their own money and from private donors. They aren't using anyone's money who doesn't agree with what they are doing so I really don't think anyone has a complaint here.



What I have noticed is that people get married at a younger age in the bible belt regions.


That would do it too! But as I said divorce has nothing to do with teen sex, I just threw out a couple ideas I got off the websites themselves in response to an already off topic posting. I live in Ohio and there are tons of people living together opposed to being married, and when they split up they just move on, they aren't a statistic. Maybe it's just my little neck of the woods.
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 7/29/2011 5:11:57 AM
In the religious South, teens do tend to marry more often when preggers, than other parts of the country. Teen marriage does account for part of the divorce stats in the religious South.

There is also the link that the more religious, fundamentalists in particular, both preach abstinence and do not believe in birth control, believing that the contraception would lead to immoral behavior. I've friends over the years who were immersed in deeply religious upbringings, all the way through religious colleges. Seems from their accounts, you would not find a more sexually active bunch of kids rebelling against their upbringing. Young Ms. Palin fits that profile as well.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32884806/ns/health-kids_and_parenting/t/teen-birth-rates-highest-most-religious-states/
 Ready4SomethingFun
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Posted: 7/29/2011 7:10:41 AM

And this is the message her appearance regarding teen pregnancy would be sending. It IS cool to get pregnant and have a baby. Look what it did for her. Are her brothers and sisters as famous as she is? Is any other politician's child getting the attention she is getting? No. She is getting fame and fortune for having a child as an unmarried teenager. That is the message she gives these kids. Actions, pictures are worth thousands of words. No matter what she says, the message is 'look at me: teen, unmarried, pregnant, have the baby=fame and fortune.'


It's the mainstream media's fault for thrusting her into the spotlight, because of who her mother is, not because she was a pregnant teenager (that was just icing on the cake, at the time). And keeping her in that spotlight hoping and praying she'd have a meltdown and go psychotic or wind up abandoned in some trailer in the BFE. Now that she didn't, everyone who is disappointed that they didn't get to see a trainwreck wants her to go away. That's the whole truth of it. Nobody has a problem with Fergie the tramp speaking out, it's all Palin.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 120
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Posted: 7/29/2011 7:58:28 AM

Fergie the tramp speaking out


Who's Fergie???

Other celebrities affiliated (past and present) with The Candie’s Foundation include: Hayden Panettiere, Beyoncé, Ciara, Jenny McCarthy, Vanessa Minnillo, Ashley Tisdale, Hilary Duff, Ashlee Simpson, Usher, Rachel Bilson, and Teddy Geiger
http://blogs.forbes.com/elisadoucette/2011/04/06/bristol-palins-compensation-seven-times-candies-foundation-donations-to-charities/

And while all these other celebrities are listed as affiliated with Candi's...in 2009 which is the only tax year that's available for the Candi Foundation...Bristol Palin is the ONLY paid celebrity in 2009.

There is also info from the Candi Foundation about the effectiveness of the PSA's...comparing Bristol Palin to Jenny McCarthy...both, in theory, spokes persons for Candi's....oddly enough, while there are very few percentage points seperating the apparent appeal of both (typical margines of error)...Candi's comes up with an statement saying Bristol is more effective in reaching youth....most odd...one could see such statements as Candi's creating justification for paying Bristol Palin 13 times more then they donate to meaningful programs to prevent pregnancy.

And frankly, neither me nor my children have ever seen any PSA's from Candi's nor Bristol Palin...not that I'm the mainstream for such stuff...but, I wonder if anyone here ever saw one Bristol PSA before this thread????Did anyone know that Bristol was a spokes advocating prevention of teen pregnancy before this thread???All I ever remember seeing, with much disinterest, was the network coverage of the baby daddy momma drama.
 HalftimeDad
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Msg: 121
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Posted: 7/29/2011 9:28:04 AM
The difference between what Bristol did and what other celebrities did, is that Bristol got paid. The others volunteered.

Clearly this organization was used to funnel money to the Palins. When they can call on real celebrities - you know, people with talent - to do volunteer work, they don't need to pay a teenager without any talent $10,000 a day to get their message out.
 Ready4SomethingFun
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Posted: 7/29/2011 9:33:38 AM
Then why, HTD, did DWTS call on her? SO they could embarrass the sh*t out of her?

Only one Palin is getting paid here. Not Sarah, she's doing just fine. ANd as I said, the others volunteered, but I'll bet you it's saving them more in those precious tax dollars than Palin makes, and she'll pay (or already paid) taxes on that money. And weather most of those other celebrities have any talent or not is debatable. But people know 'em, that's for sure. Same thing with Palin.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 123
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Posted: 7/29/2011 9:48:29 AM
Why did Dancing with the Stars use her? Have you ever seen the show? It's a television show. They take C and D listers who are desperate for a little attention. Some of them were stars 20 years ago, but the name is pretty much ironic. It's the ultimate media whore refuge.

I can't make head nor tails of your second paragraph. It's just word salad.
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Msg: 124
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Posted: 6/25/2015 9:17:18 PM
Hey, you do remember that chick who makes ~$250K a year publishing an abstinence only agenda?

Yeah she is going to have a second* child out of wedlock.


Bristol Palin Announces She's Pregnant
The Huffington Post | By Paige Lavender
Posted: 06/25/2015 5:37 pm EDT

Bristol Palin, daughter of former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R), announced in a blog post Thursday that she is pregnant.

read more at:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/25/bristol-palin-pregnant_n_7666678.html


*admitted to having
 HFX_RGB2
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Msg: 125
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Posted: 6/26/2015 11:36:26 AM
Oprah called it:

Abstinence, really? - Sarah & Bristol Palin interview on Oprah - Friday, January 22, 2010


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lqt7ZMj75M
 HFX_RGB2
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Msg: 126
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Posted: 6/27/2015 5:27:15 AM
You know you look bad, when some guy who calles himself "The Situation" comes off looking smarter than you.


'The Situation' and Bristol Palin Talk Sex

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