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 christ on a crutch
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It's just part of the mind set down here, REAL men ride Harleys, hunt, fish and have either that throwback muscle car or a monster truck.

well, i can't speak for other men - and certainly not for women - but i have a lot of photos of my four-wheel drive, raised truck. not because i need to keep some kind of record of my manhood, but because that truck has been part of some of the most significant experiences of my life.

it has taken me to some of the most beautiful, remote mountain and desert places on the planet. where i could see the heavens wheeling above and land stretching below like i was sitting on the shoulder of a god. where the solitude and quiet were so big it was like being in another universe. where i could easily get to places so pristine, my boots were probably the second set on that ground in a hundred years.

a bit like, say, the sneakers you were wearing during the last conversation you had with your dad before he died. just a pair of shoes, perfectly mundane to anyone else, but symbolizing something intimate and vital to their owner.
 WalksOnWater2
Joined: 5/19/2009
Msg: 81
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Posted: 3/13/2011 8:38:48 PM
A good friend of mine age 62 and retired for a couple of years now, just bought a big Harley (yesterday) and called to tell me about it. He's pissing in his pants with happiness.
He never had a bike and he will take the safety class in April. In the meantime he's buying stuff (the gloves, the leathers, boots, the stereo, etc.) I told him to get a helmet.

Honestly? I am scared shitless for him.
He worked for 30 years as a fireman before he retired, and he told me once that for 30 years (between work, side jobs and raising two young kids) he couldn't smoke pot, have longer hair, get properly drunk, bum around in general. Now he said he will do it all.

For me, bikes have been different things at different times over the years. Transportation, fun, part of the camaraderie among my peers, adventure, the zen experience of nature, travel and the ultimate vacation vehicle.

But for some like my friend, it is like buying a second chance to youth, it is what they always wanted and now can have and enjoy, and even though the know the risk, they willingly take it, because for them it is a symbol of freedom, of 'can do' and of 'look at me now".

 archimeded
Joined: 7/16/2010
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Posted: 3/20/2011 6:10:14 AM
This thread is cracking me up to read. Just because you ride a harley doesnt mean your into big trucks, NASCAR , fishing, hunting and all the other "manly" sports. Your also not just a catagory of person owning a Harley as leather wearing dirtbag complete with all the other negative stereotypes that go along with it.

I wont speak for other riders but for me its all about freedom. I have had and continue to have hobbies that are dangerous. My Harley is one of them but its not the only one...and I am highly educated, mature, have kids etc.

I get so tired of the parents and friends of mine that tell me I shouldnt do this or that hobby now because my kids are pre-teen and they need there "Dad"...like my intent is to kill myself. When you get right down to it they are just to damn scared to live life the way they want to and would rather hide behind the TV on the couch and not enjoy life.

Anyway just my two cents if a man or a woman wants to own a hog, skydive, swim with sharks...that is thier choice. If you arent an adventurous person then look elsewhere because your not going to corral a free spirit by nagging them into submission...
 christ on a crutch
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Posted: 3/21/2011 1:36:27 AM

Your also not just a catagory of person owning a Harley as leather wearing dirtbag complete with all the other negative stereotypes that go along with it.

so you don't want others to judge you and make assumptions about you based on the activities you choose. you are not the dirtbag they think you are.

When you get right down to it they are just to damn scared to live life the way they want to and would rather hide behind the TV on the couch and not enjoy life.

yet you do not hesitate to to judge others and make assumptions about them based on activities they choose. you think they are cowards, so it must be so.

bit hypocritical, don't you think?
 Welsh474
Joined: 9/13/2010
Msg: 85
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Posted: 3/21/2011 1:25:31 PM
We all judge, just like the above poster. Doesn't mean we're right. Doesn't mean we're wrong either. I judge the bingo players, knitters, flea market folks, chess players, joggers, etc. - if we don't do it, don't want to do it, we judge those that do. It's human nature to judge what we don't understand and don't want to understand. It's really no big deal if we do. I'm quite happy going my merry old way, riding my motorcycle when I want and with whoever I want. And it's okay for those knitters and bingo player to enjoy what they do as well.

The days of Easy Rider ARE gone, it was all romanticized anyway just like Al Capone and Davey Crockett.
 christ on a crutch
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Posted: 3/24/2011 2:24:39 PM

Explain how these bikers are "pretentious"

for one, they're pretending that festooning themselves with corporate logos displays something besides susceptibility to the cons of image marketers.
 go77377
Joined: 7/21/2008
Msg: 88
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Posted: 3/24/2011 4:02:59 PM
I was married for 24 years with 3 daughter's the ages of 13, 17 & 23. I have spent those 24 years raising kids, volunteering at their school activities, plus raising those 3 girls when they were babies when their mom got stupid on me and spent a year in jail, busting my butt 7 days a week to give them everything that a parent should while I did without.

When I got a divorce my dad went and bought me a Harley (no big deal as he already has 3) as a Divorce gift, his comment to me was "now go and live life and enjoy yourself". I guess after what he witnessed me doing for all those years he must have figured it was time for me to just get away from what I had been through. I had never driven one until that day, I don't use it as a bait for girls as I really don't ride it all that often, it is just for me to get away and kill some time on the weekend and 7 of my 10 rides are usually alone and I may put 1000 to 1500 miles on it a year. I'm usually on back country rides heading through a National Forest and at a Lake enjoying the scenery.

Anyway, I don't know if it is a age thing or not, but it sure does help hitting the roads and just getting away from things from time to time.
 Welsh474
Joined: 9/13/2010
Msg: 89
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Posted: 3/24/2011 9:20:47 PM
Pretentious and corporate logos - not like the Hilfiger jeans, Gucci loafers, Hugo Boss suits, Armani, Mopar, CAT and on and on. Some like the big names, corporate logos and the Apple vs. the Microsoft crowd. We all do it. The Ford guys piss on the Dodge boys and everyone wants a Corvette. We're all drawn to labels from Levi's to Cartier. It's all marketing and we all are drawn to it like a moth to a flame.

The sport bike guys get leathers in colours to match their bike, the cruiser dudes prefer black leather, the Goldwing and bagger guys tend to prefer ballistic nylon. It's a to each their own world out there and to pretend that one group is more pretentious than the other is, well, pretentious.

Ride or don't ride, hike or don't hike, fish or don't fish - who really cares. Just do what cranks your tractor and don't worry about the rest.
 christ on a crutch
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Posted: 3/25/2011 9:16:55 AM
you sell your friends short, consigliori, if you attribute their expressions of character to the machines under their collective ass.

'democracy, freedom and the american way'! harley ought to be paying anyone a bonus to be this enthusiastic of a spokesman, but in the upside down world that image marketers invite a guy into, he pays them, and twice: once in the premium for the logo on the gear, and a second time as billboard space when he displays it.

the only 'american way' i see here is the enshrinement of consumption.
 christ on a crutch
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Posted: 3/25/2011 4:03:12 PM

Nevertheless, there isn’t anything pretentious about people who walk the walk - regardless of which symbolism they choose to represent their ideals.

symbolism is fine, but why should money have anything to do with it? doesn't it set off just a tiny little alarm bell when how a person expresses himself involves a payment to someone else? because symbols can be had for free, and personal expression can be had for free, and Harley-Davidson Inc. doesn't give two shits about who you are and anything you do unless it involves enriching Harley-Davidson Inc. Harley-Davidson Inc. doesn't stand for character, good or bad, since it'll sell a bike to anyone with the cash and the driver's license, eagle scout or ex-con.

You’re assuming: 1) that the gear wouldn’t be worth its market value without the logo

no. that's why i used the word 'premium.' that denotes the price of the licensing, which is tacked onto the market value.

2) that the wearer of the logo gets nothing out of the bargain - a premise virtually every Harley logo wearer would disagree with,

that would be precisely my point. what buyers get is the illusion of status (illusions can be had for free) or tribal membership. (and if a tribe requires its members to own some piece of merchandise, it's basically pimping for a corporate third party. and such a tribe is not worth being part of.)

and 3) that I wear Harley

no. i have no idea what you wear. i only address your ideas and opinions.
 valenciacityx
Joined: 3/10/2009
Msg: 93
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Posted: 3/25/2011 10:02:14 PM
just got a new set of knobbies for the dual sport;
and the Harley just got a redeux after 50k miles
the Buell goes in for 40k adjustments next week.

the others in the stable are doing well.
Motorcycles : Because divorce is dreadfully more expensive.
 christ on a crutch
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Posted: 3/26/2011 12:26:39 PM

Come now bikers have been getting a bad rap for all kinds of things since the beginning of flying colors. Branded gear? Give me a flippin' break already...

the issue isn't bikers, it's marketplace behavior by sellers and consumers.

is it all also true that any designer item worn with a logo displayed does the same things?

pretty much. take two identical purses, slap the hermes logo on one and people will pay a thousand bucks for it, but if you slap the target logo on the other, no one will pay that price. there's a perceived difference in value. what is it? the notion of status, which exists only as a claim by the marketer and those who go along.

Corporations do it all the time- why single out one? Do they not have the same agenda? To market and sell the products they produce?

marketing puffery and consumer susceptibility are not limited to Harley-Davidson Inc. and its buyers, certainly.

If you wear a certain type of running shoe is it because you endorse the brand? How about a brand of instrument anyone might play? Is it all all the same thing?

no, it's not. most consumers practice some kind of brand preference. the issue is the reason behind that preference. any company marketing its products based on claims of 'lifestyle' or enhanced status is going to charge you more for it, without adding a shred of actual value. because status and 'lifestyle are all in your head. only a fool pays extra for nothing.

the harley example is notable for the irony of the statement. the heart of the harley image is the 'outlaw': the independent-minded alpha thinker who makes his own rules - the very antithesis of group conformity. yet when it comes to the markers of membership to their own group, no consumer is more enthusiastically conformist.
 Welsh474
Joined: 9/13/2010
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Posted: 3/26/2011 12:47:28 PM
^^^You are correct regarding marketing, harley is a master of marketing. There are lots of big corporations that are masters at marketing. I have two harley jackets, they make great jackets (made in China by the way) and the majority of my gear comes from honda and yamaha (they make good gear too but cheaper in price).

As for the "outlaw" image, I think that went by the wayside after Marlon Brando gained 500 pounds. "Independent minded", well, maybe, but the vast majority still live by society's rules and regulations. "Alpha", this one makes me laugh as the only time I've heard that in the last few years is from one poster on here that says she's the alpha female and she doesn't ride, she does shyt with dogs so to me Alpha is a term that means "idiot", but that's just me.

The seadoo dudes want the biggest and best, the quad dudes want the biggest and best, the 4x4 dudes want the biggest and best - they are being sold an image as well. And any women will take a 2 karat over a 1 karat. The whole point of this thread was to do with motorcycles and why us baby boomers are so enthrauled - well, it's fun. We all have something we do for fun or because we find it interesting. One is not better than the other and some may cost more than the other.

We're being sold stuff every day, everywhere you look someone is trying to sell us something whether it's a product or an image. To deny that somewhere along the line we haven't bought into it (the hype created by marketers) would probably be a lie. It's everywhere from the 5 dollar golf ball to the 20,000 dollar motorcycle and everything in between.
 normaldude
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Posted: 3/26/2011 7:56:05 PM
I just want the stupid winter to piss off so I can get my bike out and go for a ride and enjoy this deadly passtime all over again.... It sure is hard to keep a 700 pound bike upright on ice!!! I cant wait to get on the road again and ride past the people stuck inside the protective cocoons of their cars. They wont get it and never will.
 Rythmn
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Posted: 3/27/2011 3:04:07 AM
when i was young and less foolish than i am today, my housemate was a "real" biker. due to my fear from having fallen off my wreckless ex husbands bike when married, my good friend took me for slow rides over the delaware water gap-- and also tubing from the ken lockwood creek near high bridge, down towards the raritan in nj. those were some of my happiest and safest moments. i was in good hands. he even got me to climb across a huge log which fell over the creek. remember, i was no country girl! plus, he also taught my single mom girlfriend how to burp her newborn and diaper it just right.

as for now, i could do w/o the bad boy, never did fall for that type. but a biker who knows what s/he is doing, is no different than anyone else doing what they know how to do. the real question is, does he know how to burp a baby as well?
 OutMind
Joined: 2/13/2007
Msg: 98
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Posted: 4/8/2011 1:25:12 PM
I stay away from Harleys because they make you lazy. When I go up a mountain I want my legs to do the work, not some engine.

If I have to choose between looking cool and being healthy. I choose healthy.
 daffie
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Posted: 4/8/2011 7:19:35 PM
^^wtf?...
so, if you ride a motorbike you must be unhealthy?

me thinks there's a lot of jealousy shown on this thread.
maybe because at least the bikies are having a regular "ride"?...
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 4/9/2011 4:10:36 AM
HD..."All my friends were non-conformists, so I became one too".
 OutMind
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Msg: 102
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Posted: 4/9/2011 8:11:27 AM

Aha! One of those ‘skinny seat’ guys. Hey is true that all that pressure on your perineum causes ED and impotence?


I love this type of comments. Gives an excuse to write. Now I am going to have some fun. ED and impotence are more often than not a result of poor circulation, high blood pressure and a bad heart. So while you sit on your machine, with your belly sticking out, we the spandex types are going up a mountain, maintaining a heart rate of an average of 170 beats per minute for five to 10 minutes. What that does is turns your cardiovascular system into a mean oxygen delivering machine. What that translates is to erections that would make viagra jealous. Also, the more blood that you are able to deliver to the area, the bigger the erection. Oh, there's another side effect of sitting in a tiny saddle for five hours. Slight numbness. And that can be a huge problem, because when you are with your woman, you can't just burst in 5 minutes. You go on, and on, and on. And on, and on. Turn around and go. Some women that never experienced a cervical, or even a vaginal orgasm suddenly have one.

So yeah, riding a bicycle has some huge side effects.

 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 4/9/2011 3:37:51 PM
There is evidence that riding Harley vibrators are not only bad for ED but for prostrate and bladders.
http://www.mikeodom.name/2009/01/18/motorcycles-and-erectile-dysfunction
 Pingshooter
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Posted: 4/10/2011 7:19:45 AM

There is evidence that riding Harley vibrators are not only bad for ED but for prostrate and bladders.
http://www.mikeodom.name/2009/01/18/motorcycles-and-erectile-dysfunction


Bottom line is that motorcycling and bicycling require two things for men, due to the way nature has built us men;
1-Quality seats so that our packages are not injured, squished, damaged.
2-The intelligence to recognize when our packages are being damaged, squished, injured and know when to override the macho image that is desired by some.
 christ on a crutch
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Posted: 4/10/2011 12:43:18 PM

Rhetoric 101 - Re-define the issue to suit your argument. Please review the OP’s comments and tell me where she says anything about marketing strategy or consumer behavior.

Discussion Boards for Dummies. thread topics often morph after a few pages, and given your participation in the morphed topic, it's a bit late to try to play a procedural card.


Motorcycle clubs have existed since the origin of biking. Clubs like the New York Motorcycle Assoc., FAM, the AMA... all existed for decades before outlaw bikers organized and had nothing to do with outlaw riding. That’s also true for modern clubs like ABATE and HOG. They have nothing to do with outlaw biking.

the contention is not that all bikers are outlaws. it's that the outlaw image is harley's prime marketing hook.

Seems to me, if you’re going to attempt to identify a “mainstream” biker - it is, and always has been, anything but an outlaw.

the issue is not the reality of biker demographics. it's the fantasy of them. that's what's being sold.

marketing is not concerned with facts or history beyond their incidental ability to move product. emotion-based manipulations are much more effective.
 OutMind
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Posted: 4/10/2011 3:40:39 PM

marketing is not concerned with facts or history beyond their incidental ability to move product. emotion-based manipulations are much more effective.


I wouldn't go as far as calling it manipulation, but rather good marketing and understanding their demographics. Where I live there's a Harley Dealer, the people that go there drive Mercedes and BMW SUBs. I share the same mountains with these guys. They are not outlaw, they are just enjoying their weekend the same way I am enjoying my weekend. There's a mid point where both groups stops to get a snack, something to drink (non-alcoholic) and you see the three tribes. The cyclist in our spandex, the harley crowd with their leather and blue years, and what we call the Crouch rockets, they drive the Ninjas, type of bikes. They wear full leather with knee pads. They drive very fast, the Harley crowd cruise, and we, well use our own legs.

I believe that we all have a right to do whatever it is that makes us happy. People don't drink much in the mountains because it's too dangerous, but many times we find ourselves at the same sport bar at the edge of the city. And there, we are all brothers.
 Welsh474
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Posted: 4/10/2011 3:55:38 PM
^^^geez, someone who "gets" it. And also understands that we can all get along.

Marketing and knowing the demographics is crutial in any company from MacDonalds to Harley to Mercedes. Yes, Harley does a good job of it, makes their shareholders very happy. Isn't that the American way?
 MsMicki
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Posted: 4/10/2011 6:54:09 PM
Back on topic........

The Harley Sportster gets between 40 - 50 miles per gallon.
When gas prices got up to almost $4.00 a gallon a few years ago....practically everyone I know that drove a truck bought a bike!
For some......it isn't about outlaws or images or buying into the marketing crap.....
it is strictly an economic decision.
Sure, they have learned to "love to ride" and now own alot of Harley clothing!
Why.....because Harley puts out quality merchandise...from it's bikes to it's leather to it's Tshirts.
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