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 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 473
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Oh grizz, I expect more of you than that! You've been reading these forums too long to take serious, most claims of golddigging! I'd be willing to bet that there are less than 200 members of POF's 20 million who actually have money worth marrying for. Just because you have a 40 foot boat, nice house and drive a porsche, buy the lobster at dinner doesn't make you liquid and wealthy.

I guess my first question to your last post would be:

"No more having to deal with some idiot"

Why would ANYONE marry an idiot? If it's all about the control, wouldn't you see that BEFORE you married him? Controllers are pretty easy to spot. You say let's go see this movie and he responds, no I will see that one or better yet let's do this. If he's stupid, again why would you marry or live together?

We're not talking 40 years ago, we're talking today, right now. Whatever is history is history, we ca't put the gene back in the bottle.

"whole lot different than being a gold digger or marrying him for his money"

There you go with that word again. Dating up or marrying up is not the same as gold digging. I am saying women will seek a man either who has made money from his chosen job or has prospects to do that, which is what the article alledges.

"If a woman doesn't want to get involved with someone because they would be a potential financial drain on HER"

This is the crux of the matter. If Sally is a waitress and makes 25K or Sheila is a secretary or bank teller and makes 40K, but Joe the doctor meets her and falls in love (lust) whatever, he doesn't view it as a drain. He views it as a person he wants a life with and whatever else.

When Mary meets tom a bank teller making 40K while Mary makes 90K, she maybe aattracted to him, date him, bed him, but most likely will eliminate him as a potential long term mate, because he is not making the same money. When she meets Phil the accountant who makes 120K, she is more at ease, and would consider him, because their incomes are more in line. That's marrying up OR for money.

Again are there exceptions, yes. Most women look up and rarely down, when it comes to money.

But to say it's her choice is bogus! She may have been more attracted to tom, but because of money she is much more attacted to Phil. Is that gold digging? Still to me it's not enough money to golddig, but it WAS money that was the deciding factor.

Ergo marrying for money. You can call it smart or her preference, or whatever name lets you sleep at night, the fact of the matter is tom got knocked out of the box(no pun intended) by money.

It's even paraded everyday for you on TV. The Karadisians, the commercials, the very encouragement from your mothers, who smile when you bring home a doctor and frown at the mechanic.

The differences are subtle, but the results are the same. So please save the arguments. Looks play a part in how men select women and money plays a part in how women select men.

Edit to add: You might be right 4me, about what men do, and who they should select. He11 I'll give you guys a good laugh at my expense. I have more than once railed at LDR's. So who do you think flew from atlanta to london ontario for a date last weekend? Me! Alas the heart wants what the heart wants. Perhaps that is one of the key differences between men and women, part of the crux of this issue.

Women seem to be level headed with regard to dating and what comes next. Men not so much, we (or at least me, can't speak for all guys)want the woman we find attrative to us. Rarely do we consider the drawbacks, that might come with some women.

In my case, it's no biggie, I have flown a number of places to see women, to see if it works. I can afford it, it's no sweat, so I do as I please. But I doubt many women would view the cost of it, the way I do. There is a key element in the difference in our processes.
 Amorado
Joined: 11/23/2010
Msg: 474
increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money
Posted: 11/18/2011 2:55:04 PM
Fleuron why is it that women stick up for each other all the time but when one man sticks up for another man why "He must be gay!"

Go play your 'gay card' somewhere else.
 trinity818
Joined: 9/1/2006
Msg: 475
increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money
Posted: 11/18/2011 2:59:29 PM

more women are choosing to marry men who are substantially better educated than them, and therefore have higher earnings.


I am very attracted to intelligent men. But it has nothing to do with money. Or education necessarily. And if he looks like a warthog, I don't give a sh!t how much money he's got...he aint' gettin' any. In my experience, people with alot of money tend to act like jerks. So, I'd rather avoid them.

And really now, does a better education necessarily mean higher earnings? Because I know a lot of dumbasses with degrees.


According to a new study more women are are marrying for money than did in the 1940s.


Wow. This article has a wealth of information about the so-called "study". {sarcasm font}
 Amorado
Joined: 11/23/2010
Msg: 476
increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money
Posted: 11/18/2011 3:03:19 PM
OyVay... you have put much thought & time into your posts on this subject. Very well put, I must say.

Insofar as dating goes "Endeavor to Perseverve!"
 Fleuron
Joined: 8/18/2010
Msg: 477
increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money
Posted: 11/18/2011 4:08:04 PM

Fleuron why is it that women stick up for each other all the time but when one man sticks up for another man why "He must be gay!"


Beats me. I didn’t say you or anyone else must be gay.

Maybe you should try being more discerning about who you stick up for…? Just a thought.
 SC67
Joined: 6/21/2009
Msg: 478
increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money
Posted: 11/18/2011 6:12:27 PM
Oh for Pete's sake! The vast majority of women who marry for money are marrying men who know full well that their bank account brought them to the dance. Over on the "men prefer prostitutes to wife/gf" thread they're saying women should drop trou whenever & wherever their husband decides or just accept that he's gonna buy sex on the side.

Women, by nature, marry to have someone share the burden of home & family. They want security. It does not make them bad people unless they abuse the situation. Many men marry with the idea they'll have sex on demand from a woman who also cleans up after them. Usually both are sorely disappointed.

My only issue with this thread is one word in the subject line...increasing. pfft...troll post if I ever saw one.
 Fleuron
Joined: 8/18/2010
Msg: 479
increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money
Posted: 11/19/2011 9:21:18 AM
^^^^ SC, you are making way too much sense for this thread.

Who needs money anyway if a guy's got a really ripped bod.
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 481
increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money
Posted: 11/19/2011 10:55:16 AM
Cdn-ice, glad I could provide a little entertainment to your day!

As you can see, deflection makes a better stance than debate! If you can't beat em, change the subject.

OT:

"According to a new study more women are marrying for money than did in the 1940s."

and

"My only issue with this thread is one word in the subject line...increasing."

Well according to one poster a page or so ago, more women are attending college. Now I'm sure it's way more than the 40's. There are many articles stating the same recently.

Since that's the case, obviously more women will seek men, who have a degree, who they would have more in common with. Hence his opportunities will be better, than the average line worker or regular joe. So he will make more money, again she will look to marry up. No surprise there.
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 483
increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money
Posted: 11/19/2011 12:33:45 PM
Gawd!!! There goes that freakin word again "gold digger"!

Where have I ever mentioned gold digger? You people seem to have an obssession with it! What I have been going on and on about has NOTHING to do with gold digging!

Please get that through your heads! Most of you wouldn't know a gold-digger if she bit you on the azz! There ain't no gold-diggers on POF! They couldn't be bothered with the men here, there ain't no gold to dig. Well maybe as I said earlier there might be a few who are well off, but not enough for a true gold-digger.

I've in my life met quite a few. They want a fabulous life style. Bentley cars, skiing in Vail, getting there by private jets. They want to drink Crystale Champagne, not dinner at Denny's! They want an afternoon shopping spree in Paris, on the Champs Elysees. The frakin men here can't spell Champs Elysees, much less know where it's at.

Gawd, you people make me crazy!

And who says you would have to be sick to your stomach? Or that he has to be some old geezer? I've simply pointed out that many women would prefer a man of financial security over mister nobody.

He11 for that matter, I never said it was wrong! Just a fact of life that happens when women select a man. Why TF, is everybody going off on these tangents?
 trinity818
Joined: 9/1/2006
Msg: 484
increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money
Posted: 11/19/2011 12:40:53 PM
^^^

lol. You tell us. Sounds alot like a tangent to me. We are all entitled to opinions here. You don't get to approve how we express them.
 MikeWM
Joined: 2/7/2011
Msg: 485
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increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money
Posted: 11/19/2011 12:59:53 PM
Some of the arguements here are being presented as though at cross purposes

If a man doesnt want to marry a broke ass woman he IS criticised because of it, and excuses like shes a parent, she was "made" to stay at home and similar drivel tends to be wheeled out

Being not only a parent but a stay at home one is a "choice" for all women, its only men who can end up being a parent without choosing to be one

Being "made" to sit on your arse at home why the other person earns all the moeny is SUCH an imposition too I'm sure. But its also a CHOICE, the choice to BE financially dependant and have spa days and watch daytime TV instead of working

But when people claim that women wanting men who earn an "equal" amount isnt seeing money as being relevant it does kind of seem like somebody trying to sneak a joke through hoping nobody is watching. Because were men to expect the same from women they would be "tight", they'd be criticised and labelled as too materialistic, insecure etc etc

Basically if a man has a financial expectation from a partner even if thats equality they ARE viewed negatively because most women STILL need a man to be the main breadwinner because they either wont be able to be, or just dont WANT to be able to be

Women who at least expect a similar level of income however try to make that sound like money "isnt" important, when it obviously is or a potential partners income wouldnt matter so it really does stink of the pot calling the kettle black really

And although some people might marry for love, most women do infact seem to divorce for money. Or more acurately a lack in its amount when you look at the common problems in relationships

At times it seems like there must be some secret class many women attend that teaches them how to say "I want a man who can make a decent wage, buy a nice house, keep me in nice clothers and a decent car and all the other things a princess like me deserves as long as she keeps looking pretty" but in ways that dont ACTUALLY say that at all like

A man should have a good work ethic
He should be driven
He should have goals
He shouldnt be materialistic (meaning he should earn lots of money, but shouldnt mind spending it all on me)

As mentioned, this subtle, and maybe even subconcious vetting process starts from the very first date

Somebody on another thread said something like

"Maybe he should say I have something to eat before we meet for the first time because I dont want to shell out for feeding you and I bet no women would want to meet him"

As though its "reasonable" to view a person you havent met yet with disdain because he wont shell out money on you.

Its no different to the woman saying that, something like

"If youre not going to spend at least $50 on a meal why on earth would I want to meet you?"

Theres droves of posts like that where women quite subtly but overtly manipulatively try to twist things around so that its not the "expectation of being treated" thats bad, but mens reluctance to want to treat a total stranger

Whilst also trying to claim that money isnt important to women

In reality its not important to women, as long as its constantly flowing towards them

it only becomes important when theres any resistance to that process it seems
 Archangel_07
Joined: 6/21/2010
Msg: 486
increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money
Posted: 11/19/2011 1:47:03 PM
females,
whatever floats your bloat. If you want to marry a man for his money go for it, all the more power to ya, if not all the more power to ya. But the point is marry someone that will overall love you, fight for you and protect you. End of discussion on my part.
 ladyc4
Joined: 2/14/2006
Msg: 487
increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money
Posted: 11/19/2011 2:38:15 PM

I love how a man points out the truth

No-what is being done here is everyone is pointing out their own truth. Sometimes these reports of one's own pwrsonal truth are not delivered in a pretty package-that doesn't make it "bashing" or "smashing".

Besides, if it really IS"the" truth, why do you give a rats' ass about being bashed or smashed? If you feel like your success in social interactions is contingent on "throwing the truth under the rug", what might that say about you?
Cindy O
 SC67
Joined: 6/21/2009
Msg: 488
increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money
Posted: 11/19/2011 5:12:01 PM

Well according to one poster a page or so ago, more women are attending college. Now I'm sure it's way more than the 40's. There are many articles stating the same recently.

Since that's the case, obviously more women will seek men, who have a degree, who they would have more in common with. Hence his opportunities will be better, than the average line worker or regular joe. So he will make more money, again she will look to marry up. No surprise there.

but you see...you made my point. You said women who have a degree will be looking to marry someone THEY WOULD HAVE MORE IN COMMON WITH. Could it be that women with a degree are making money of their own & want a partner who also makes money of his own?

Could it be this was all a super hilarious way to get men & women to have the same old argument that happens in every other thread? Nah...I'm sure you guys aren't ready to let go of the idea that the world is crawling with women just trying to get their dirty paws on all your cash. I might as well try to have a conversation with a stop sign.
 MikeWM
Joined: 2/7/2011
Msg: 489
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increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money
Posted: 11/19/2011 5:35:14 PM

I might as well try to have a conversation with a stop sign


If more women started chatting up stop signs we would probably also be bombarded with threads about the legnth of the pole the stop sign was mounted on and why stop signs never showed their emotions and never paid for dinner on a first date

So not much would change really
 RAMPERBILL
Joined: 2/16/2010
Msg: 490
increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money
Posted: 11/19/2011 6:13:24 PM
Not me. Everytime that thought crosses my mind I think of Anna Nicole Smith kissing that old corpse she married ...
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Her testimony itself states that she didn't do this for money. Her words were "it was a gift." If you marry, then die, all your wealth goes to your spouse. This is very convenient when you don't like your own son and can't cut him out of your will. Just find a complete stranger at your local strip club and make the arrangement. The arrangement was "marry me and go ahead and live your life as you would." Divorce, get half. Stay until death, get it all. Unloving son would have to fight it out in court until death. I agree with her. It was a gift.
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 491
increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money
Posted: 11/19/2011 7:30:24 PM
"Could it be that women with a degree are making money of their own"

A good point, and one I will happily embrace. So then women with a degree, making their own money should gladly ask men out and pay for dates, not even go dutch right? They will be happy to ask a man to marry and give him a token of their love, right?

Well, I guess the universal truth of women making their own hasn't quite reached their pocketbooks, now has it?

"Nah...I'm sure you guys aren't ready to let go of the idea that the world is crawling with women just trying to get their dirty paws on all your cash."

WOW! Assume much? I never said anything like that. I simply pointed out that women married up, not that it was a money grab. While I won't bother to look for statistics, I'm fairly confident, college graduated men, marry more women who aren't than vice versa.

Now would you have me believe that's a fluke or abberation? I doubt it, women just naturally go for a financial better man, than not. You don't have to go to that many profiles on POF, to see that financial security ranks high on women's lists of requirements.

Your comments show a certain derision for the concept, yet it seems it continues generation after generation. Younger women still cling to the concept of dating rules that were prevelant in the 50's. From a world they never knew or even were exposed to. They rely on phrases like "I prefer it that way" or "that's the way it's supposed to be" even as they make as much or in some cases more than men.

Sounds like the guys living in 2011 are the ones having conversations with stop signs.

edit: Oh and I apologize for the omission of the "`" required for the french street name.
 Fleuron
Joined: 8/18/2010
Msg: 492
increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money
Posted: 11/19/2011 7:58:08 PM

I might as well try to have a conversation with a stop sign.


At least you wouldn’t have to listen to it repeatedly insist that you are a greedy, money hungry witch with nothing more to offer it than a vagina. Or was that the other thread?

There goes that thread vertigo again.
 SC67
Joined: 6/21/2009
Msg: 494
increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money
Posted: 11/20/2011 4:41:27 AM

Your comments show a certain derision for the concept, yet it seems it continues generation after generation.

I guess you missed the part where I said...

Women, by nature, marry to have someone share the burden of home & family. They want security. It does not make them bad people unless they abuse the situation. Many men marry with the idea they'll have sex on demand from a woman who also cleans up after them. Usually both are sorely disappointed.



I simply pointed out that women married up, not that it was a money grab. While I won't bother to look for statistics, I'm fairly confident, college graduated men, marry more women who aren't than vice versa.

Could it be that men are placing more value on a woman's looks, whether consciously or subconsciously, & less on her ability to provide financially for herself? Then those same men are mad when their trophy wife wants alimony? Pfft...don't get mad at me when you get what you wanted.
 ladyc4
Joined: 2/14/2006
Msg: 496
increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money
Posted: 11/20/2011 11:53:39 AM
win1heart-
is it possible that your CEO friend was taking urban,high maintenance women and subjecting them to something that they had absolutely NO background or interest in? Maybe his experience of having women "fail" this "test"is simply because he's picking women who were not only uncomfortable but downright scared in a "roughing it" camping scenario?

And in this 'survivalist ' trial, might it not be possible that the guy actually was going to extra trouble to make the experience unpleasant or unsafe-or that these ladies believed that this was the case?

Why doesn't your CEO friend quit his CEO job, give his assets to charity, and actually LIVE poor, instead of just "presenting" himself as poor? I'm sure that if he got onto this CEO gig on his own,(not by assistance from family)
he probably has the ability to find himself some kind of average job.

I suspect that what REALLY is happening, is that these women are picking up "dissonance" in his behaviors that are making it very clear that this camping trip is nothing but an unfair test set up by a man who thinks the only balls he owns are in his bank book.



he is single as well, still yet to find 1 woman who love him for himelf, not his social and financial position!

No, he's single because women are picking up on his nearly pathological belief that he has nothing going for him BUT money and social position. Particularly if the overall impression he presents contains a lot of dissonances,I suspect that these womens' real concern is that he is some kind of criminal or suffers from a mental illness. I don't hink it's much to do at all with his supposed money and social position.



maybe a farmer girl, countryside girl who lives out of civilization would be best match for him.....but at the same time, he wants someone educated etc.
hard find!

I suggest that he needs to find a person from whatever environment- that is educated and has a license to practice psychiatric medicine.

Trust me, emotionally healthy people can deal with a lot, can be patient, understanding etc-but when an emotionally healthy person comes to strongly suspect that someone is presenting a false picture of their social and economic environment, or that they(the emotionally healthy person) are being subjected to failure-guaranteed "tests"-they are going to jOYFULLY fail those tests and get the heck away from this particular exercise in headf*ckery.

I know all this is only tangentally pertinent to the topic, but all win1hearts' friend is doing is sending a message that he is emotionally dysfunctional. It must be pretty bad, I would think-surely, if it was just all about the money, some woman would grit her teeth and keep doing what it took to pass his "tests", so as to access the REAL guy-the wealthy CEO with high social position.

If this alleged socially and financially blessed CEO wants to find a down-to-earth woman, he should give all his money to a humanitarian cause and go LIVE where that case is needed( I bet Drs Without Borders, The Peace Corps,or other humanitarian organizations would be glad to get money and a person of CEO intellect and performance who was perfectly capable and willing to live in a tent on a rock, where fresh cold water was hard to come by.

Sorry win1, I'm not picking on YOU per se, or even your CEO friend-except as an example!-simply using your illustration to shed a little light on the fact that some wealthy men and women are single because their emotional dysfunction drives potential partners away.

I think the fact that this man win1 talks about CAN'T get a woman to pair-bond with him, actually proves that it is NOT just all about the money with women.

Even the other oft-cited scenario-that actually happened!-that of Anna Nicole and her elderly hubby( God bless both their souls)-proves that men will look beyond some pretty significant mental/emotional dysfunction to get with the arm-candy babe. Yeah, Anna Nicole-meaning her memory no disrespect-wasn't exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer, but that rich old goat( meaning no disrespect to his memory) sure was willing to overlook that, wasn't he?

People marry the people they do for many reasons. I am sure that for a lot of reasonably intelligent and stable people, a solid educational and financial status is an important consideration.

Just because SOME wealthy men will ignore red flags to marry a financially improvident, ignorant but very hot looking woman does not prove that the absolute converse is true of ALL women, that they will overlook unattractiveness, age difference and emotional problems in order to marry a man with money.
Sure, some will-but if they are letting themselves in for a life that utterly sucks just to have access to a fat wallet, then it's my considered opinion that they will EARN every single damn penny of the money they married for.

Edit to add
Its' only been in about the past 40 years that many of the social constructs that steered women into marriage or "appropriate" occupations(until she could find a suitable husband) have been done away with, and that did not happen overnight. It wasn't just "we ladies" who created this...for many years it was a powerful social construct that MEN had a lot of responsibility for creating.
To be fair, I believe that a lot of this was just the way things evolved from early human history-not blaming men or saying that this was any kind of intentional subjugation of women...in fact, for a long, long time, it all made a helluva lot of sense!
So, to blame women-or men! as a group, for a long-conditioned behavior, is foolish.

I suspect that, back in that day, a lot of men DID give great consideration to a womans' ability to be a good wife and mother, because that was a necessity at that time. And I'm not talking about just physical characteristics that indicate "good genes" and a "giood breeder"-I'm sure lots of men looked for women who had been trained to be efficient and economical managers of the household and family, women of "good character" and all that.

At the end of the day, for any particular individual man or group of men to blatantly BLAME women for those mens' inability to form a relationship, supposedly because of insufficient MONEY, simply makes these men look doubly bad. If a relationship is so screamingly important to some mens' existence, and they believe money to be a barrier, then wouldn't they be better served to attack the perceived "barrier" in whatever reasonable and feasible method available to them-rather than attacking women?
Cindy O
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 497
increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money
Posted: 11/20/2011 12:47:20 PM
Well I guess I will back off this thread, people have their opinions and defenses set in such a way, that no amount of discussion will make them see another side.

He11 I saw another gold-digger post come up(sigh).

For the last time, THERE ARE NO GOLD DIGGERS HERE!

There are guys/gals maybe a little down on their luck. There will always be those who want to use someone for rent, or whatever. Users and losers come in both genders. There will always be some guy who will prey on a good hearted woman. There will always be a woman who will prey on a good hearted man. It's in those people's nature to look for the easy way out of life's expenses. Sorry that doesn't rise to gold-digging.

That some of you wish to interpret, my saying women marry up for security, as using them for their vagina or whatever seems base to me. That men chase women for looks, when part of that is genetic disposition, is also not what every man does chasng the top 20%.

I've tried to make my points as clearly and without prejudice, pointing out the obvious reasons for my beliefs. The problem seems to have become a "what have you got to offer me" attitude. In stead of meeting people to see if they match, and who those people are, we are reduced to a shopping list of attributes, among which are money and looks.

Maybe that's the issue with online meeting. Expectation gone wild. Without realizing there are real people behind every profile(or should be). That this has become a slick razzle dazzle, sell em at all costs, in stead of honestly trying to meet people and see what they are about. Maybe it works, maybe not.

Money is a tool, it can be used for good, or self gratification. I will stick to my guns, women marry up to secure th best future for their children, men marry for looks or to get the best possible genes and survival for their children. That in the world of TV and advertising the message is lost in the thousands of products to make you look younger, sexier and attractive, or the shows about how women look when you rarely meet ones who even resemble that, doesn't portray real life.

On the other side of that coin, men are bumblers, buffons and fools. The shows and commercials give you a daily dose of Ted Bundy's, The progressive insurance commercials where Flo is a little ditzy, but the 2 buffons from the other insurance company are complete azzes, that mom knows best and dad doesn't know how to use a freakin paper towel, or the girl asks a guy about her girlfriend saying her boyfriend thinks sunday is for football, and the fool looks at his sandwich to figure out the answer.

While I would hope that the adults take this as a joke, designed to get women to spend in their establishments. I wonder what thoughts this puts in the minds of your 8 year old daughter watching the same commercials. She grows up thinking little tommy is a freakin dope. Hence when she gets older, she wants a guy who's smarter, a lawyer, doctor or accountant, for security and money.

Hey, my time for chasing younger women is past and won't come back. I'm good with that. Still I read these forums and see women who generally hold most men in distain. Kinda makes me glad I'm not in it.
 Fleuron
Joined: 8/18/2010
Msg: 498
increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money
Posted: 11/20/2011 12:54:11 PM
This argument is too personal. Money isn’t personal. Money is replaceable.

Is this about thinking that women are only after your money, or is it really about feeling so worthless as a man that you think you have nothing to offer a woman but a bank balance?

It’s easier to deflect feelings of worthlessness onto women and demand that we’re all gold diggers, than do real work on introspection and self improvement. That would mean acknowledging that there’s something lacking in yourself, and doing something about it besides whining.

Maybe the dysfunction in you attracts the kind of women who think all they have to offer a man is their looks and their bodies.

Doesn’t it make sense that these kinds of relationships are nothing more than two dysfunctional people offering and accepting each other’s insecurities and perceived self-worthlessness….and with that kind of precarious foundation, destined to fail. It’s sad.
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 499
increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money
Posted: 11/20/2011 1:56:25 PM
"Money isn't personal. Money is replaceable."

I can agree with that, I have often said you can always make more.

"Is this about thinking that women are only after your money"

I don't know if this was directed at me. I never said that, I never alluded to that, in fact I never spoke of myself at all, throughout the discussion. My views simply come from data and observation. If you are trying to project this to my experiene, your sadly mistaken.

"Is it really abour feeling so worthless as a man that you think you have nothing to offer a woman but a bank balance?"

WOW! Now that's a stretch, you know nothing about me, nor what I do, nor who I am as a person, what my beliefs outside of this issue are, or how I feel about myself. That's a lot of assuming, if your statement is about me.

"deflect feelings of worthlessness onto women"

Again, where did I say women are worthless? Marrying up, has little if anything to do with a woman's worth as a person. Some of my points, merely showed women's expectations, that fly in the face of the new norms of her better financial standing in the world of 2011 versus the 60's and earlier. When change comes, it usually doesn't affect one singular issue, it affects many dynamics and a paradigm shift occurs changing the way several things work, not just one.

"that we're all gold diggers"

(sigh) again that is a word embraced by women and other men, not me. I often laugh at men who ascribe gold digging to a $40 dinner at Olive Garden. I think we can agree most women do not need to put up with some guy, to get endless bread sticks, she has her own money for that.

 SweetLilGTP
Joined: 10/22/2010
Msg: 500
increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money
Posted: 11/20/2011 2:20:39 PM

For the last time, THERE ARE NO GOLD DIGGERS HERE!


Unless you factor in the fact that many women have never evern had untarnished copper, thus, will play games and uuse underhanded means to get their hands on some of this stuff which shines purdier than anything they've ever known in their lives.

Golddigging attitudes and measures are not reserved...for Gold.


 Fleuron
Joined: 8/18/2010
Msg: 501
increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money
Posted: 11/20/2011 3:36:43 PM
OyVay... my comment was not directed at you.

Sweet, I didn't recognize you without your hoodie. :)
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