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 niagara45
Joined: 8/15/2010
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The next time I get anywhere near Phoenix, I'm going to stop off and visit my master's thesis, which is down with all the others in some dim corner of a sub-basement at ASU.


The paper copy of your master's thesis is just the physical manifestation of the learning that hopefully took place. I hope you gained some knowledge and expertise on your thesis topic that you consider to be enduring and worthwhile.


I'm not sure how much someone's academic achievements affect how interesting I think they are.


I suppose it depends on who you know. Each and every time I have encountered someone who speaks so well, and who is so knowledgeable, and so interesting that I could just sit and listen to him/her all day....it turns out that the person is highly educated. You will note that I said interesting "to me".
 Paddy_o_Lantern
Joined: 12/9/2009
Msg: 52
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Posted: 1/6/2011 2:22:55 PM

Each and every time I have encountered someone who speaks so well, and who is so knowledgeable, and so interesting that I could just sit and listen to him/her all day....it turns out that the person is highly educated


For me that person is usually someone who has an interesting voice - someone capable of reading books doing voice overs in animated movies or reporting the news or doing radio. Most of my professors ( I am sure they were well educated and knowledgeable ) put me to sleep with thier monotone or bad voice. One does not have to be particularily educated ( in a formal sense) to be either knowledgeable or interesting.
 MichelleRenee1234
Joined: 10/19/2009
Msg: 53
increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money
Posted: 1/6/2011 2:28:43 PM

But, I'd rather have a hard worker vs. a rich man any day of the week... funny how most rich men are hard workers... hmmm..


Or scandalous thieves
 ladyc4
Joined: 2/14/2006
Msg: 54
increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money
Posted: 1/6/2011 3:05:17 PM

increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money

So? apparently increasing numbers of men are going along with the deal.
From the time that marriage became a decision left up to the 2 people contemplating it, many women have chosen husbands that would not pull them into poverty. These days, a lot of men look at women very carefully to make sure they are not about to say "I do" with a money pit on legs. I'm also aware that there are men out there seeking to marry women for their money/possessions. To someone of either gender who is living on a relatives' sofa, someone with a roof over their head and the means to maintain it can be mighty attractive. Back in the day when parents either completely arranged or had enormous influence on their offsprings' marriages, it wasn't at all uncommon for matters of money and property to be a huge factor in the choice of a spouse.
Again, so what? Is this another prelude to a whinefest about how if a guy doesn't have tremendous good looks and lots of money, "he doesn't stand a chance"? Guess what, guys, if you are striking out over and over again, it's about YOU, not a lack of looks and/or cash. Probably goes just as well for us ladies. Also, for both genders, all these new means to widen one's hunting grounds, relationships are becoming very much driven by choice and the perception of a much larger selection,and opportunities,the "what's available locally" factor has a lot LESS weight in today's dating,relationship and marriage scene.
Cindy O
 Gwendolyn2010
Joined: 1/22/2006
Msg: 55
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Posted: 1/6/2011 3:32:32 PM

I'm not sure how much someone's academic achievements affect how interesting I think they are.




I suppose it depends on who you know. Each and every time I have encountered someone who speaks so well, and who is so knowledgeable, and so interesting that I could just sit and listen to him/her all day....it turns out that the person is highly educated. You will note that I said interesting "to me".


It does depend on whom one knows. I find some topics boring, and even if someone has an advanced degree in those fields, it will most likely still be boring. I say "most likely" because some people are born storytellers and can make reading a recipe interesting.

For the topics that I do find interesting, I most often find that people who are formally educated in that field are more interesting simply because they have done more research.

My field is writing, literature, and mythology. I am a born storyteller. My knowledge, coupled with my ability to spin a tale, makes for interesting conversations with me.

No, I am not humble or modest, but there is no need to be when one speaks the truth. (Grin.)
 niagara45
Joined: 8/15/2010
Msg: 56
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Posted: 1/6/2011 3:49:03 PM

On the other hand, if you’re talking to mechanic who has no formal education and you don’t know what the heck a solenoid is, he isn’t going to be impressed by your conjugation of past participles.


I wouldn't say that I am not "impressed" by the knowledge or skill needed to become a

licensed mechanic ( which is becoming hard to do without some book learning, BTW) but

rather that I am not "interested" in it.
 kari135
Joined: 9/1/2009
Msg: 57
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Posted: 1/6/2011 4:11:08 PM

The next time I get anywhere near Phoenix, I'm going to stop off and visit my master's thesis, which is down with all the others in some dim corner of a sub-basement at ASU. They're really just overgrown term papers that you have to defend against whatever questions a few professors may raise about them.

Good for you, just to go after it for personal reasons. I understand. My parents came to the cap-and-gown ceremony, and we were all hugs and smiles afterwards. But later that evening, after I was alone, I felt completely overcome and could not hold back the tears.

I'm not sure how much someone's academic achievements affect how interesting I think they are. Sometimes I've had that happen, but I can think of a lot of times when it hasn't. Benjamin Franklin was pretty much self-taught, and I've never heard him described as uninteresting. Smart comes in different flavors, and I like most of them a lot--degree, or no degree.

I agree with the different flavors of smart - some of the best-read and well-informed people I've known never finished high school, but that didn't have any affect of their desire to find out all they could about anything that interested them - and many of them have a lot of interests.

One of my favorite stories on defending a Master's thesis came from a friend who was teaching at the U of Alaska and on the committee to hear this particular defense. The thesis was on the diet of a group of grizzly bears and took 3 years to complete. He said there was no question about that person getting it, anyone willing to struggle through the wilderness collecting bear shit for 2 years and spend another year compiling the data was obviously dedicated to their chosen profession. But the committee had no intention of making it too easy, the person was going to be answering endless questions first.
 letsgocanes11
Joined: 6/4/2010
Msg: 58
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Posted: 1/6/2011 4:20:41 PM
This is a great topic. A few months ago I dated a girl. She was in her 30's. Anyways, she always made it known how much money that she pulled in. She made it very clear to me how much money she made in hopes of finding out what my salary was. This made me very uncomfortable and I began question her integrity.

One day I put her character to the test. I told her that I made 1/3rd of what my salary actually was. From that very moment she lost complete interest in me. She said she needed someone in her life that would provide financial security. I then told her: "This was only 1/3rd of what I actually made and now I know that you really don't like me for me." She then tried to save face and make up as I put my clothes on and walked out the front door as she watched in shock.

People are very shallow these days and this is a true story. Good riddance!
 Maleman999
Joined: 2/14/2010
Msg: 59
increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money
Posted: 1/6/2011 4:31:36 PM
A lot of women's profiles portray a different story. The profiles say they are mainly looking for someone with a sense of humor. They must have a clown fetish. Check to see if Ronald McDonald is available. I guess the lesson is the wealthier a guy is, the funnier he is. Some women think that marrying someone wealthy will buy a lot of humor.
 WalksOnWater2
Joined: 5/19/2009
Msg: 60
increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money
Posted: 1/6/2011 4:52:37 PM
In todays' News, there is a study that shows more women are marrying for money than in 1940.

Women and men marry for all kinds of reasons. I would think that in the 40's trying to marry "up'" or into money would be more common than today, when women have better opportunities to make a buck than then.

Anyway, maybe when there is no good reason left to marry a man, you resolve to marry for money. I'm glad I'm not that bad off...

 ohwhynot46
Joined: 6/28/2009
Msg: 61
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Posted: 1/6/2011 6:50:59 PM
As always, the problem with studies....

Actually, the claim is that the percentage of European women choosing to "marry up" (when it comes to education, the assumption that this is due to increased income alone is the Dr.'s alone) has risen almost 20%. As usual, simply a baseless conclusion in order to gain funding for research, if you ask me. Not to say that this isn't the case, only that it nothing more than evidence that ANY study can be used to back up any foregone conclusion. In any case, the decision to marry, in the fact, the invitation to do so, isn't one made by one party alone, is it?

For the most part, though, I am thinking that this is likely a good thing, genetically speaking. More often than not, a rich man can have his choice of "more beautiful" women, and given that he is more educated, smarter, etc. their offspring, over generations, are therefore more likely to be smarter & more physically attractive. All is right with the world, ain't it?


I would have thought the preference for men with more education, like in that survey, was based on money.


For me, preferring those with more education than less usually stems from my enjoyment of intelligent, logical, intelligible conversation period.
 valenciacityx
Joined: 3/10/2009
Msg: 62
increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money
Posted: 1/6/2011 8:20:28 PM
brought to you by the department of the agency of redundancy and silliness.

1940.... there was indeed a World War going on. Many of the eligible men were off in uniform, or returning from war in various stages of brokeness.... and we had all just come out of the global depression..... the fact that women were getting married at all is pretty amazing.

the old saw women marry for money, men marry for sex - it is indeed the oldest profession on the books.

do they have a study that more women are DIVORCING for money as well ?.....
 karma1160
Joined: 6/10/2008
Msg: 63
increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money
Posted: 1/6/2011 10:12:22 PM
Women have their own money now a days and I don't know any women that puts money as the priority when they are over 45.
Oh and by the way this is not just a female to male issue, I have met a few guys on here that were looking to pitch me a deal.
Eitherway, this is an age old conclusion that people talk about when they can not figure out what went wrong or do not want to admit what went wrong.
If money was the only thing that I needed to find happiness, I would have had it a thousand times over.
Sooner or later you have to go home..........
I would rather live with the town comedian, that made me laugh that was broke as hllllll,
than have to jump to the steps of someone who thought they were doing me a favor, by being with me, because they have money.
 joebleaux
Joined: 12/26/2010
Msg: 64
increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money
Posted: 1/7/2011 6:28:47 AM
all women marry men for their money. once married, the woman has no obligations, and the man has all the obligations.

this is why over 50 percent of women now in the usa are not married, and are not likely ever to get married. men have woken up.

google "boycott american women" for more information. men are sick of being used.

the uk government recently published some stats on how "over 2 million british men have DISAPPEARED in the last decade". they "imputed" numbers for their census (ie lied and made up crap) to cover for only part of the disparity.

well, i just got back from mexico city. i don't know if there are two million british men there with gorgeous, traditional, faithful mexican wives and girlfriends, but i met an awful lot.

american men are behind their british counterparts, but catching up fast.
 grizzelda
Joined: 6/25/2006
Msg: 65
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Posted: 1/7/2011 7:38:16 AM
^^^^^^^^^^so if you find women marrying up for money so disgusting, why do you advertise on your profile that you make a "very good salary"? A little bit of a hypocrite arent you? As you are "selling" what you are condeming women for "buying", or are you special?

Dude, your anger and borderline disgust of women is your problem, not the women of the west....
 Gwendolyn2010
Joined: 1/22/2006
Msg: 66
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Posted: 1/7/2011 7:39:34 AM

all women marry men for their money. once married, the woman has no obligations, and the man has all the obligations.


This is simply not a fact: it is your opinion. Please, show me statistics and facts wherein you can PROVE that ALL women marry men for their money. You would have to be privy to every marriage on the face of the earth, and you are not omniscient.

Furthermore, I don't know in which land of delusion you dwell when you say that a married women has NO obligations. I have been married and I was in a long-term relationship; in the marriage, my ex made most of the money, but I raised the kids. Raising children IS an obligation! In the long-term, I supported his ass.

Every couple whom I know share financial obligations. In fact, I don't know a couple in which the wife does not work (or is retired). I had lunch with three of my colleagues yesterday, two women and a man: only one of the women is married. She is part-time and wants a full-time job in order to fulfill more of her "obligations," even though her husband tells her not to worry about it.

My boyfriend makes ten times as much money as I do, but if we move in together, then I will continue to work and pay for my bills DESPITE the fact that he has said it would not be necessary for me to work.


this is why over 50 percent of women now in the usa are not married, and are not likely ever to get married. men have woken up.


As for your other claims, please give me the stats on unmarried women in the US. And while you are at it, give me the breakdown of how many presently unmarried women were once married.

In the US, women initiate more divorces than do men.
http://www.divorce-lawyer-source.com/faq/emotional/who-initiates-divorce-men-or-women.html

http://fathersforlife.org/divorce/divmen.htm

http://strongmarriagenow.com/2010/04/why-do-most-women-initiate-divorce/

From these stats, it would seem that US men haven't "woken up" but are still sleeping.


the uk government recently published some stats on how "over 2 million british men have DISAPPEARED in the last decade". they "imputed" numbers for their census (ie lied and made up crap) to cover for only part of the disparity.


Where did you get this info? What do you mean by "disappeared"? Why would men seeking to marry foreign wives have to disappear? This doesn't make any sense. Prove that the census information was a cover up.


well, i just got back from mexico city. i don't know if there are two million british men there with gorgeous, traditional, faithful mexican wives and girlfriends, but i met an awful lot.


Then move to Mexico, dude: with your attitude, I doubt that any US woman will cry to see you go!

And how many did you see? Some numbers, please, that you can back up.

Personally, I don't have a problem with American men wanting foreign women. I would not want one of those men, anyway--and neither would most US women.

Boycott us, honey!

By the way, there has been a lot of discussion about Asian wives in these forums. My boyfriend has been in China for two months. There is not a lot of Caucasian men married to Chinese women; of course, most marriages of these types would be where the woman comes to the US--for obvious reasons.
 Gwendolyn2010
Joined: 1/22/2006
Msg: 67
increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money
Posted: 1/7/2011 7:43:35 AM
joebleaux writes on his profile:
I make an extremely good salary and have dated off and on,


grizzelda wrote:
^^^^^^^^^^so if you find women marrying up for money so disgusting, why do you advertise on your profile that you make a "very good salary"? A little bit of a hypocrite arent you? As you are "selling" what you are condeming women for "buying", or are you special?

Dude, your anger and borderline disgust of women is your problem, not the women of the west....


I missed the advertisement of his salary on his profile! Gad!
 DrummingNut
Joined: 4/26/2010
Msg: 68
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Posted: 1/7/2011 7:50:25 AM

all women marry men for their money. once married, the woman has no obligations, and the man has all the obligations.
What a load of bullsh1t.
All women? No responsibilities?
Man oh man, you have some major hangups!
 cap_n_mORGAN
Joined: 7/3/2009
Msg: 69
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Posted: 1/7/2011 8:13:02 AM
Wow I knew this would be a hot button issue when I read the title.

While I do NOT agree that all women marry for money, I do think it is a major consideration.

Is that bad?.......No........Anyone of either gender would be foolish to marry someone that would drag them down in anyway.......financially, emotionally...ECT.

My first wife was bi-polar the second turned greedy.

Does that mean all are like them?......Again NO.

However it does make me aware of red flags that I wasn't before.

Are men "waking up".........We all learn from past experiences and trends.

What I want is a woman that can take care of her own needs that doesn't NEED me to supplement her,but complement her.

As she should complement me. Someone that is willing to hold on in lean times as well as the good.

Eddie Murphy said one time we are all F'up and we shouldn't look for perfect but someone that is just as F'up as we are and be happy.

He told it as a joke......However it has some real truth to it.

The one thing where the fairer gender might disagree with me is the prenup.
I will never marry again without one.

Not because I think the marriage will fail or I am waiting on it to. It is because if it does the love is gone and all that is left is a contract. I want to be sure if that happens my assets I plan to leave my children are protected.

JMHO
 Truthisee
Joined: 12/7/2010
Msg: 70
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Posted: 1/7/2011 8:15:35 AM

increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money


I've seen it, income seems to be in the top three questions frequently asked by recent women I have dated, so I basically tell them I will tell you mine if you tell me yours, and if it is less than mine (99% of the time) I ask them why they think I would want anything to do with them

Bottom line is why date someone who's expectation of others exceed their own
 WaywardWynde
Joined: 5/19/2007
Msg: 71
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Posted: 1/7/2011 8:23:05 AM

all women marry men for their money. once married, the woman has no obligations, and the man has all the obligations.


--Really?? Half of all first marriages in the US are women under age 25, who marry men age 26 or less. HOW many men under age 26 "have money"? Well better than half the the remaining are men under 32. HOW many men age 26 to 32 "have money"?

In addition ...

... the VAST majority of children are born to men under age 35. Men under 35 seldom "have money". In fact, men who "have money" by a wide margin are in their 50's and 60's, and sometimes even 70's. Men who "have money" past age 50 who have new children are so rare it is news.

--Young, breedable women marry -- and have children by -- lean, athletic, young men (who can defend the cave) who have handsome faces (which indicates good breeding genes).


this is why over 50 percent of women now in the usa are not married, and are not likely ever to get married.


--70% of all wo/men past age 50 are married, up to the time until men start to die off in their 60's. Of the 30% of women not married after age 50, some are widows, and many were once married. Many are also lesbians who don't want to marry. AND a high percentage are women who had little or no sexual desire for a man even as a young woman, and now with age most or all of that desire is gone, gone, gone.

------ All THAT said, a book promo last year -- for "The Secrect Currency Of Love" edited by Hilary (one "l") Black -- stated bluntly that 2/3rds of ALL single women age 20 to age 50 would catagorically "marry a man they didn't love" IF he had "enough assets", "enough" defined as 2-1/2 million$ or more, except for those age 30 to 39 who would "accept" a mil and a half.

One __slight__ problem. I was unable to find any such study anywhere done at anytime. Well, there was also a second problem. When I wrote Hil Black asking about the study, she did not respond.

In other words, the existence of the "study" was fictionalized to sell her books.

BTW, the women referenced in her book had one and all made absolute trash of their relationships with their individual men. BUT Hil Black sold some books pandering to a dream held by a few thousands of lost soul women hoping to trade their bodies for an enhanced lifestyle they individually were unwilling to work for.

Hookers only get to sleep with men no other woman wants.
 eastwood969
Joined: 12/21/2009
Msg: 72
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Posted: 1/7/2011 8:28:22 AM
Being educated only means that you've paid for an education, it doesn't override common sense or make a person smarter than a natural genious. Money on the other hand does have real value and a person whom marries into it can be taught how to maintain and increase it to the benefit of both. I have no disregard for women whom marry for money. God forbid they marry for love because that doesn't really exist until longterm exposure has forced it. And for some it never evolves but lets face it. It is smarter to start with something to work with than nothing at all.
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
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Posted: 1/7/2011 8:39:11 AM
Eitherway, this is an age old conclusion that people talk about when they can not figure out what went wrong or do not want to admit what went wrong.


That may be so, but the fact some people use a thing as an excuse doesn't make it any less true. "It was raining that day, so I just couldn't drive all that way." The fact you *could* have driven all that way, rain or shine, doesn't mean it wasn't raining that day.


I don't know any women that puts money as the priority when they are over 45.


You may not know them, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. And they're not likely to come right out and say money's their priority.
 niagara45
Joined: 8/15/2010
Msg: 74
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Posted: 1/7/2011 10:10:54 AM

this is why over 50 percent of women now in the usa are not married, and are not likely ever to get married. men have woken up.


Let's assume your number (50%) is correct, although I wonder about the percentage of men who are not married, either. Regardless, it seems to me that "people" have woken up and realized marriage/cohabitation is not the be all and end all.


american men are behind their british counterparts, but catching up fast.


Don't let us hold you back. Tijuana is calling you!
 WaywardWynde
Joined: 5/19/2007
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Posted: 1/7/2011 10:15:12 AM
I don't know any women that puts money as the priority when they are over 45.


Not my experience at all. In fact, quite the opposite ...

... women over 45 seem to ask no questions at all except ...

... "Where (what neighborhood) do you live?" ..... "What do you do for a living?" ..... What schools (plural) did you get your graduate degrees (plural) from?" ..... "What's your favorite restaurants?" ..... "Where do you take your foreign vacations?" ..... What do you do on your weekends?" ..... "What brokerage houses (plural) do you have your accounts (plural) with?" ..... etc., etc., etc........

---(Ninety seconds into a first conversation with a woman mid-50's who
declared exceptional interest in me, I was asked what kind of car I drive.
Nevermind, I live on a island (Manhattan) where parking -- just parking --
for a car is $250 a month (for an out of the way parking lot) to $700 or
more a month (for a local garage)).

Those questions are seldom asked by young women, even at my now age. (Young women are too busy looking into my eyes, or at my chest, or at the "tailoring" of my pants.)

I’d go further than that: where the median net worth of a North American irrespective of age is $120K


--According to the Census Bureau, the average __STATED__ male income is about $44k, which includes married men, single men having a quite a bit less income. ACCORDING TO THE ------IRS---------- the average __REPORTED__ male income is about 20% less. (No penalty for lying to the Census Bureau, so people "bump it up" a bit.)

-----THAT said, only about ten single man in a thousand have a net worth over a mil$. Half of them are gay or otherwise socially unworthy, with many of the rest obese. Almost all are over age 50.

Gold diggers, enjoy yourself, ya hear? It's a job, do your best or you can be replaced.

--BTW, according to IRS figures, over half of those people who reported an income over $200k in any year did NOT report such income three years prior. ------THAT MEANS ------- half won't report such income three years from now.

Men moving into expensive housing areas who quietly move out three or so years later is so common it is a cliche. Sociologists blame profligate men as much as profligate partners.


this is why over 50 percent of women now in the usa are not married, and are not likely ever to get married. men have woken up.


The percentage is much less than 50% single. However ...

... a study done for AARP in 2004 showed about 75% (that's right, seventy-five percent, three out of four) single women over age 40 will NEVER AGAIN in their lifetimes have hot-and-sweaty, face-to-face sex with a man. That's SINGLE women, and the statement was made in the study (done by a woman PhD) that lack of sexual interest in a man was THE greatest reason single women over 40 never married or who had husbands who divorced them.
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