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 ladyc4
Joined: 2/14/2006
Msg: 202
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It's easy for a man to say that the reason he can't find the "woman of their dreams" is because ALL the women only are interested in really rich men....and are only interested in men over 6' tall...and are only interested in dating men who are very athletic...

It's easy for a woman to say that the reason she can't find the "man of her dreams" is because ALL the men only are interested in women who wear a size 1....and are only interested in women who are 10 years younger than they are....and are only interested in women who have no children living at home...

Precisely. And many of us have at one time or another probably written or spoken veriable diatribes about the situation.

But all you have to do is go downtown, or to the mall, or anywhere that you will see a lot of people, and you will see literally thousands of examples of how none of that is true....I think if we all stop looking at dating as a "shopping trip"...trying to get "the most, the best" for what "we have to offer", and instead focus on just finding someone who we are attracted to and who we enjoy being with...we're all gonna be fine.

Again, correct.With an acknowledgement for those who have become single in middle or retirement years that many of our opposite gender contemporaries are still in relationships/marriages, or are still regrouping after a marriage fails or the partner has passed away,that the pool may not be as wide and deep as it is for the twentysomethings. Some people find the prospects of having less time to go and possibly going it ALONE, a prospect that sends them into a state of near-derangement. It may indeed be part of that whole progression, something that has to be gone through,the unfortunate part being that the near-derangement can be either off-putting, OR a tool that can be used by someone who does have an "agenda".
Cindy O
 kari135
Joined: 9/1/2009
Msg: 203
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Posted: 1/16/2011 2:40:22 PM

Three times a month or more, someone starts a topic here about how it is right and holy and biologically ordained that women can and should and do marry for money.
All statements from people who haven't been in a serious relationship since Bill Clinton's first term.
More times a month, someone starts a topic about how men, as a class, are too horny. Also from people who haven't been in a serious relationship since Bill Clinton's first term.

Gee, another memo I didn't get. I was in a serious relationship well before Clinton, and still in it well after Clinton. He never stopped being horny until he reached the point he was so medicated he barely knew who he was, not long before he died.

As for other men, I can't say. I do know what kinds of contacts I've had on numerous dating sites, and as far as I'm concerned, a man who expects to have sex before he even meets a woman - yeah, I think he's not thinking with his brain. Even in my stodgy age group there are plenty of STDs going around, and I want to know who I'm doing, not what's doing me.
Sue me for being 'too picky.'



Since the start of Bill Clinton's first term, more than a billion babies have been born with fathers too young to have made themselves rich. Born to young women who chose athletic young men, women who were themselves young and thin.

More than a billion mothers who formed intimate relationships with men since Bill Clinton's first term. Precious few of those women chose men to be fathers who were old enough to be rich.

Go take a walk around your city and take another look at a lot of those young mothers. They may be young, but not very many are thin and athletic, and they got pg by some hot guy in the 'hood. Or any guy they just happened to get it on with. "Intimate relations" really doesn't have anything to do with serious relationships. It has a lot more to do with whoever is handy at the moment, and there's no thought of the future in any way, unless you consider the potential for 'baby daddy' or 'baby momma' drama the future.......



Go figure. Rich ... or ... athletic? Rich ... or ... handsome?

What a shallow and superficial way to look at the world. My daughter's husband, while healthy, is neither rich nor GQ handsome, though he's good looking. He is bright and has a job he loves, and to her, he's handsome. She's probably more athletic than he is, she runs about 5 miles/day, but she also had her first baby at 38, not 17.



BTW, one can indeed work as and call themselves a psychologist with just a BA degree. They can not, however, treat patients in a clinical setting.

BTW, most welders -- like most other tradesmen -- work as journeymen. Journeyman is the standard, not master. Even most masters draw journeyman's wages most of the time, if they want to work.

BTW, "journeyman" is not a raw rookie beginner. That is an "apprentice".

BTW, how many who claim to fully understand tradesmen's work know the difference between Snap-On and Craftsmen, a Dykes and a side Dykes, an SAE and a Whitworth, a Forstner from an EZ-Out?

Who really cares, as long as the Snap-On truck shows up where and when it's supposed to?

And BTW, my plumber works for himself, his wife does the books. So that 75.00/hour he gets, he does indeed get to keep. It's not going to some company that sends him out on calls and pays him an hourly wage. Most of the plumbers I've known - and electricians, and furnace/HVAC repairmen - have all worked the same way, and they make steady high incomes, even in today's economy. No one, no matter how hard hit they are, wants to go without running water or deal with an electric stove that doesn't work.
 Gwendolyn2010
Joined: 1/22/2006
Msg: 204
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Posted: 1/16/2011 2:52:15 PM

It's easy for a man to say that the reason he can't find the "woman of their dreams" is because ALL the women only are interested in really rich men....and are only interested in men over 6' tall...and are only interested in dating men who are very athletic...

It's easy for a woman to say that the reason she can't find the "man of her dreams" is because ALL the men only are interested in women who wear a size 1....and are only interested in women who are 10 years younger than they are....and are only interested in women who have no children living at home...

But all you have to do is go downtown, or to the mall, or anywhere that you will see a lot of people, and you will see literally thousands of examples of how none of that is true....I think if we all stop looking at dating as a "shopping trip"...trying to get "the most, the best" for what "we have to offer", and instead focus on just finding someone who we are attracted to and who we enjoy being with...we're all gonna be fine.


Thank you, Dave! I have said this, as well. For some, it is much easier to rationalize why they are alone than facing the real reasons. If ONLY rich, thin, and attractive people got married or were in relationships, then few people would have partners.

My mother never told me to marry for money; I guess she thought it was an impossibility, anyway; I think she was just praying that I would find SOMEONE who would want me. A 75 year old friend told me several years ago, though, that it is just as easy to love someone who is rich as it is to love someone who is poor. (Yes, we have all heard that.)

 Welsh474
Joined: 9/13/2010
Msg: 205
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Posted: 1/16/2011 3:15:55 PM
Geez Dave, a breath of fresh air. Many of us have been saying the same thing. You can look in books, you can look at numbers, you can look at what is around you and you can look in the mirror. And quit playing the blame game.

As for cheating in regard to women earning more than men - please explain to me why cheating is so rampant in all socio economic groups. Divorce rate is high, higher for second marriages. The numbers/stats don't always tell the tale. Cheating has gone on forever, not just since women started to equal or surpass men in the income department.
 Twilightslove
Joined: 12/9/2008
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Posted: 1/16/2011 5:37:05 PM
Dave said


It's easy for a woman to say that the reason she can't find the "man of her dreams" is because ALL the men only are interested in women who wear a size 1....and are only interested in women who are 10 years younger than they are....and are only interested in women who have no children living at home...


My oldest daughter is a size 1 and yes, it seems to be older men trying harder to get her attention and keep her. My younger daughter sees it totally different and thinks that all the guys she has been dating end up with women who are obese. She wanted to know just what is wrong with her until last night when a guy she has liked for 3 years asked her if she thought they would make a good couple.

renegadeoutlaw said


Heck Twilight, (see message 276) I have had men tell me they can't date me - although they think I'm smart, intelligent, professional, - use whatever semantic you want here......because I have too much education and too many letters and professional endorsements behind my name.

I have found that Men don't like women who are smarter than them!


That is part of her problem as well. She has a Master's Degree and most of the guys in this town her age have a high school diploma. Some an associates degree but nothing higher. The guys with the higher education leave our town after graduation.

Welsh474 said


As for cheating in regard to women earning more than men - please explain to me why cheating is so rampant in all socio economic groups. Divorce rate is high, higher for second marriages. The numbers/stats don't always tell the tale. Cheating has gone on forever, not just since women started to equal or surpass men in the income department.


I agree that cheating occurs in every socio-economic group and that the divorce rate is higher in second marriages. I think this was simply a study that found a correlation with income inequality yet possibly it is more like different educational level and coming from different socio-economic backgrounds to begin with. It seems that people can drift apart when they have different interests as well. I think the divorce rate might be higher partially because the grass isn't always greener and partially because people tend to have children added to the mix by then. Second marriages have to deal with ex-spouses, stepchildren and possibly some remaining baggage that wasn't really dealt with beforehand.
 Paddy_o_Lantern
Joined: 12/9/2009
Msg: 207
increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money
Posted: 1/17/2011 4:42:22 PM
Up in Ft Mc Money increasing numbers of women are making their own money!
 abelian
Joined: 1/12/2008
Msg: 208
increasing numbers of women are marrying men for their money
Posted: 1/20/2011 12:39:15 AM

BTW, how many who claim to fully understand tradesmen's work know the difference between Snap-On and Craftsmen, a Dykes and a side Dykes, an SAE and a Whitworth, a Forstner from an EZ-Out?

Well, I do for one. I can also cut SAE and Whitworth threads (among others) on a lathe and grind the threading tool if I don't have one. I'm not sure how this fits the topic, though.
 Hippiekinkster
Joined: 1/7/2010
Msg: 209
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Posted: 1/20/2011 1:48:52 AM
Kari135: and as far as I'm concerned, a man who expects to have sex before he even meets a woman -


Yanno, I'm just the opposite. I expect to meet a woman before I have sex. I'm weird like that.

I've done the whole wealth thing. We made a shedload of money before we separated back around 2001. I mean top 5% kind of money. And it was nice for what it could do. I liked the travelling. I liked the expensive ingredients for my cooking. I cared not a whit about clothes and whatnot, whereas the ex had 3 rooms full of clothes and shoes. She was an OCD/compulsive shopper, overeater, and workaholic. I hardly ever saw her. It was all about her. She put waaaay more energy into corporate politics than she did our marriage. I had no idea she would end up like that when we married. If I could roll back the clock to when I was 30 again, I would go for someone who valued our relationship more than she did her CV.

For a long time I blamed myself for the demise of our marriage, but I have (slowly) come to realize that I put much more effort into US that she did.

I don't ever want to get involved with another "what can you do for me" woman again. And, regretfully, that seems to be the type of woman I am seeing here. At least that is my perception.
 Paddy_o_Lantern
Joined: 12/9/2009
Msg: 210
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Posted: 1/20/2011 8:36:10 AM
Men are marrying younger, thinner, bigger breasted women all the time. At least women go for respectable and longer lasting traits than that.


Unfortunately that sex sells attitude has not diminished but has grown more prevalent in the time I have been on this planet. IMO women are as much to blame as men for this being the respected and sought after image for a woman - just look at all the women's magazines ( designed specifically to appeal to a woman ) filled with images that portray women as younger, thinner and bigger breasted than the average women - today's womens magazines are nearly as pornographic as playboy was in the early 60's - gotta love those La Senza catalogues.
 happybunny8
Joined: 4/16/2010
Msg: 211
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Posted: 1/20/2011 3:50:25 PM
^^^so agree. I wonder how many posters on this thread buy those silly celeb magazines?

It ain't men who buy them.
 ItsMargo
Joined: 4/24/2007
Msg: 212
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Posted: 1/20/2011 4:41:48 PM

I'm curious about whether people have found that men do not like to marry women who make more money than them. It's possible women only have the choice of marrying men who earn more, as men who earn less will not date let alone marry them.

Women are the higher income earner in approximately 1/3 of marriages.
 Welsh474
Joined: 9/13/2010
Msg: 213
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Posted: 1/20/2011 6:32:03 PM
I do not have a "what can you do for me" attitude, never have and never will - just not in my nature. And I want a relationship where we both put the effort into US as I think that it is very important.

As for the skinny, big breasted gals on magazines - the expression "sex sells", been going on for years. The older I get, the more it bothers me. Sometimes I do think that at times women can be their own worst enemy - why do we put up with this shit. We should stop buying all these things - I haven't bought a Cosmopolitan or Glamour magazine in years. We women make purchasing decisions for ourselves and our families and there is power in our wallets. Girls are pressured to diet and show their midriff at preteen ages, sad.

If Margo says 1/3 of women earn more than their partner - well, not going to argue that. I do know that the rest of them, the 2/3's, are contributing greatly to the communal pot to manage the home and family. We are not all leeching off some poor sap - and yes, some do.

And I'm with Albian - who the hell cares about Craftsman, Whitford, etc. and what exactly did that contribute to the conversation.

There will always be those concerned about the "what can you do for me" and want all the nice things in life without earning them with their own dollars but there are far more that have a healthy attitude about life, love and partnerships. So Hippiekinkster, keep looking and you'll find one of us that fits you perfectly.
 kari135
Joined: 9/1/2009
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Posted: 1/20/2011 8:06:47 PM


Kari135: and as far as I'm concerned, a man who expects to have sex before he even meets a woman -


Hippiekinkster: Yanno, I'm just the opposite. I expect to meet a woman before I have sex. I'm weird like that.


Be a refreshing change around here if more of the men in my area felt that way. The last one who contacted me wanted me to meed him halfway. I asked "What part of 'I'm legally blind and can't drive, so please don't ask me to meet you halfway' in my profile didn't you understand?" Then he sent me another message, saying if he was gonna go to all that effort to meet me, he'd better be getting some sex to make it worth his while.

Silly me. I told him he might as well stay home because I certainly wasn't going to agree to f*ck someone I hadn't even met yet. But I did say it more politely.
 KickboxingCuteGuy
Joined: 11/26/2010
Msg: 215
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Posted: 1/21/2011 2:16:35 AM
You get a lot of that in San Jose, CA.
 Welsh474
Joined: 9/13/2010
Msg: 216
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Posted: 1/21/2011 10:25:51 AM
If some men find women shallow (as one of the vocal male posters on here) and think that we women are only after them for their wallets, why would they post the following things on their profile - sportscar, Mercedes, Cobra, sailboats, extended travel to exotic destinations, Rolex, Longines, Manhattan. What exactly are you looking for or bragging about? To me, putting these types of things in a profile just reeks of "only contact me if you're a gold digger". It's like the gal who has a picture of herself in a bra and wonders why guys only contact her for sex.....just sayin.
 WaywardWynde
Joined: 5/19/2007
Msg: 217
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Posted: 1/21/2011 11:12:28 AM

sportscar, Mercedes, Cobra, sailboats, extended travel to exotic destinations, Rolex, Longines, Manhattan.


Sportscars are athletic(*). Comparing a Cobra "rag top" to a merce hardtop is also rather bluntly stating "athletic" rather than a status-climber (MB's -- with their leather seats -- are sloppy handling cars that don't go where you point them, sometimes
"loose" and often with "push", all within a second or two).

Sailboats are also particularly athletic AND are middle-
class as compared to beer-drinking powerboats.

Rolex and Longines (part of a corporate uniform) were mentioned as put away and replaced with a Timex Ironman, also suggesting athletic.

Manhattan was mentioned because one who lives outside Manhattan is GU, as in "Geographically Undesirable" because of the time and effort to get to someone's place outside Manhattan (an island of 3 million people with just four traffic and three railroad tunnels, and seven bridges).

(FWIW, the #4, #5, and #6 subway lines on the eastside
carry more passengers each day than the Boston Transit
(#2 in the country), Chicago Transit and Los Angeles
Transit combined. It is more than an hour from midtown
to the end of the Queens subway, and hour and half to Bronx,
as much or more to the end in Brooklyn and upwards of
two hours to the end in Staten Island.)

Extended travel I know nothing about. Business travel I know too much about.

(*) Gold digger women stay particularly away from athletic men, instead favoring the dumpy and the fugly as easy marks.
 Welsh474
Joined: 9/13/2010
Msg: 218
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Posted: 1/21/2011 11:24:36 AM
FWIW - if one has moved on to the simple life free from all the trappings of the Rolex/Mercedes/Manhattan lifestyle toward a life of an athletic man about town - why bother with plunking those "gold digger" inspired words in the profile?

As for dumpy/fugly - is all in the eye of the beholder.
 ladyc4
Joined: 2/14/2006
Msg: 219
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Posted: 1/21/2011 11:45:30 AM
You could have written your profile using different analogies or just said what you mean.
Some women attach more importance to a potential partners' cash, some attach less. If cash is so flippin' important to a woman that she gets involved with a man you can only see as 'dumpy' and 'fugly', then what's the problem if they both are happy with their bargain?
I can't speak for anyone else, but I myself couldn't STAND to date a name-dropping snob who whines about gold-diggers. I mean, I GET that dating can be a b*tch when you aren't rich enough to draw interest from the gold-diggers, and not pathetic enough to attract the desperate, but hey, why compound the problem with unsupported snobbery and circumlocutious phraseology? Myself, I cannot imagine a man could possess enough money and/or good looks to make that a dating/relationship experience worth having.
And the original topic simply pointed out that there seemed to be statistical support for what seems to be a trend of women marrying men who have higher education than the women do,and jumping to the conclusion that this is all about money. While more education would certainly seem to indicate potential for greater income, it still tends to be that men have higher incomes than women, although women are catching up. Another poster pointed out that 1/3 of couples have the higher income held by the female. That's a significant chunk of the couples population, but it's still 2/3 of couples where the incomes are equal or the male's is larger.
I would suspect that most women who marry have intentions to have children, and having the man be more educated and earning the higher income gives an extra measure of financial security for the entire family if the woman is not able to return to full time employment after children start arriving. Even if she does, it's generally the woman/mother who will miss work if the child is sick, if the sitter must be absent, or to get children to necessary medical and dental appointments. Under those circumstances, it makes perfect sense that a woman marries a man whose earning power is greater than hers...it's about being able to have children without casting the family into poverty.
Cindy O
 jackfouru
Joined: 9/10/2010
Msg: 220
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Posted: 1/21/2011 11:58:04 AM
Well educated, intelligent women want to marry well educated, intelligent guys: (1) they are likely to have more in common and (2) it is really important that women respect and admire their mate. If not their marriage is doomed to failure after the lust wears out. A professional woman with a High school dropout? The chances of that relationship making it are probably very, very slim.
 ladyc4
Joined: 2/14/2006
Msg: 221
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Posted: 1/21/2011 12:18:12 PM

beer-drinking powerboats.

Really? They run on BEER now? I know lots of people with varying forms of motorized watercraft and I never heard anyone mention their miles per keg. Now, I've run into canoeists/kayakers that seem to run on beer, but that would be the people paddling them, not the watercraft itself. I would imagine someone sailing a sailboat would also have whatever beverage they preferred...obviously an excess of 'adult beverages' is a bad idea on any small watercraft, be it a Zodiac, a canoe, a pontoon boat or a jet ski.
Cindy O
 jackfouru
Joined: 9/10/2010
Msg: 222
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Posted: 1/21/2011 1:28:29 PM
I think more women marry for status than they do for money. Honestly, I don't think most women care if they live in a huge house as opposed to a normal sized house, but they want to be noticed, they want their husband to be noticed, they want their children to be noticed., they want to be proud of their family and they want to be able to brag about their family.
 happybunny8
Joined: 4/16/2010
Msg: 223
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Posted: 1/21/2011 3:05:43 PM
Well none of my family or I have ever owned a sailboat or a beer boat or a new car.

Bragging about material things, how much money they make or their retirement plans in Paris all show that the man thinks that this IS the type of stuff that impress women. I've actually went on dates with alot of these types of men. Instant turn-off. Simply because I don't have the kind of money they do.

And if he then complains about gold diggers, he may want to do some self-analysis.
 WaywardWynde
Joined: 5/19/2007
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Posted: 1/21/2011 8:11:01 PM
Not there is anything wrong with beer.


Ever watch a beer commercial on TV? Ever see a beer drinker in a TV commercial who looked like anything but an idiot in front of the women in a TV commercial? Ever see the demographic profile of a beer drinker? Ever see just who advertising agencies who produce beer commercials aim their ads at?

Powerboaters think and act like beer drinkers. Powerboaters -- with their gold chains -- order surf-n-turf in restaurants, and if they TRY to get seated in nicer restaurants they get seated next to the kitchen door, if they get seated at all. Powerboaters are noisy, wear loud colored clothing and their women wear dangling earrings and high heel leather boots.

Powerboaters are drunk on Sunday afternoons returning to port and decent people avoid them.

Marinas which cater to sailboats won't allow powerboaters entrance because of powerboaters' general behavior.

Same same difference between a sportscar driver and a Dodge anything driver.

Gold diggers favor as marks Dodge drivers of long ago who recently scored big in the construction business and now wanna drive a Mercedes Benz, their women in tight blue jeans and high heeled boots and fake fur coats and "big" hair.
 kari135
Joined: 9/1/2009
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Posted: 1/21/2011 8:47:17 PM

Ever watch a beer commercial on TV? Ever see a beer drinker in a TV commercial who looked like anything but an idiot in front of the women in a TV commercial? Ever see the demographic profile of a beer drinker? Ever see just who advertising agencies who produce beer commercials aim their ads at?

Powerboaters think and act like beer drinkers. Powerboaters -- with their gold chains -- order surf-n-turf in restaurants, and if they TRY to get seated in nicer restaurants they get seated next to the kitchen door, if they get seated at all. Powerboaters are noisy, wear loud colored clothing and their women wear dangling earrings and high heel leather boots.

Powerboaters are drunk on Sunday afternoons returning to port and decent people avoid them.

Marinas which cater to sailboats won't allow powerboaters entrance because of powerboaters' general behavior.

Gee, I've had and been around and on all kinds of boats. Power boats, motor boats, sail boats, row boats, dories, motor sailers, kayaks, fishing boats ... none of the people on any of them ever drank more than - at the very most - a single beer or wine when on a picnic on a beach. I will admit that fishermen can be hard drinkers, but not while they are onboard.

As for those commercials, well, the most popular one was a beer commercial. The real fishermen fell all over themselves laughing at the one where the actors pulled up a pot of cooked Dungeness crab.

No gold chains, either. Some did have quite a bit of gold nugget jewelry, but it's certainly nothing they'd wear on deck. They also don't go tor the fancy surf-n-turf, they go where the food is GOOD.

You seem to live in such a different world... I wonder sometimes if we inhabit the same planet. I've never even heard of a marina that wasn't more than willing to take anyone's money, no matter what kind of boat it was.
 Zephyr2553
Joined: 12/28/2008
Msg: 226
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Posted: 1/21/2011 10:31:39 PM
My Mama always said, "Honey, its just as easy to fall in love with a man with money as a man without." My problem is, I always seem to gravitate to the ones who have nothing.....
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