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 Fleuron
Joined: 8/18/2010
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Can women REALLY get laid whenever they want? Page 21 of 44    (4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44)

This has always bothered me: a person can go a few minutes without air, a few days without water, and a few weeks without food. If I then define "need" as arbitrarily as you….


WHO is being arbitrary?

You make it sound like a slow death from a lack of air or water or food is a perfectly fine condition until you suddenly drop dead. Maybe do a bit of research into the process of death. You think suffocating or starving compares to not getting laid?? Oh brother.


No matter what drives it, desire, urge, whatever - having sex with another person isn't a need. Calling it such is only a justification to pursue it.


I agree.

But I suppose it could also be a desperate tactic to get sex from a woman if she’s not too bright… you know, like some guys used to say they’re off to war and might never return so he has to have sex first or whatever.

Nobody is gonna DIE from a lack of sex.
 phule
Joined: 4/8/2004
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Posted: 10/5/2013 12:10:15 PM
(took forever to read through and get up to speed on this)

I'll be repeating what a few others have said... but in my own words.


Can women REALLY get laid whenever they want?

Yes. Unequivocally. Absolutely. In fact, all a woman has to do is say the word YES. I can almost guarantee that there is currently a man... some guy... in every woman's life who wants to have sex with her. I am saying NOTHING about whether or not she is attracted to him, or there being a proper age difference. I am strictly speaking to the fact that there is a guy in her life, and she knows him... if she said YES and accepted his advances, she'd be getting laid. Plain and simple.

At this point it is all a discussion about whether she wants that particular guy, or whether or not she really needs to get laid... biology versus biography? However, none of that really matters to the initial question. CAN a woman get laid WHENEVER she wants to? The question is not whether or not she can get the man she wants without effort. The question is not whether or not she can have the relationship she wants without any effort. The question is not whether there is a biological urge that makes her have sex. The question is, can she get laid whenever she wants to? And the answer to that is Yes. There is currently someone out there who wants to have sex with her.

If she is single, then that man would be someone below her threshold of acceptance, but he is still there. If she wanted to get laid more than maintain that threshold of acceptance, all she has to do is approach him and say Yes. If all it takes is that one word and she is getting laid... then yes, she really can get laid whenever she wants.

Guys don't have that option. SOME guys have women who are chasing them, and those guys could have sex anytime they want... and the fact of the matter is that almost ALL of those guys are actually having sex whenever they want even if it is with someone below that threshold of acceptance. If this wasn't true, we wouldn't have invented the phrase "beer goggles", or all the running jokes about how the later the night gets, the better the girl at the end of the bar looks. And on the surface, this might look like all guys have the same dealio as women... that all they need to do is say Yes. But it isn't true. It's not all guys. It's not most guys. It's not even a large percentage of guys. It is a very small percentage of guys who have a woman somewhere in their life, that all they would have to do is say "yes". The majority of guys out there either have to rely on their own hand or go without.

You can't bring up how it only takes some money for a guy to get laid... because that's not the same.

Can a woman get laid whenever she wants? Yes.
Will she like who she is having sex with? Probably not.
Will she like herself afterward for doing it? Probably not.
 Arlo_Troutman
Joined: 6/25/2013
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Posted: 10/5/2013 12:41:24 PM

(fleuron) You make it sound like a slow death from a lack of air or water or food is a perfectly fine condition until you suddenly drop dead. Maybe do a bit of research into the process of death. You think suffocating or starving compares to not getting laid?? Oh brother.


Let me check my Chinese calendar... nope, it's not The Year of Arguing the Analogy; so, I wonder where all this silliness and inability to recognize an *ILLUSTRATION* to (attempt) to clarify a point comes from...

(it's not the Chinese Year of Being Disingenuous, either... )

WIP is arguing that, because sex doesn't fit *HER* definition of a need, that it therefore is not a need, and anyone who disagrees with her position is just being Double-Plus Stupid. So, in answer to your query about "WHO is being arbitrary?" -- that'd be her.
 abmccray
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Posted: 10/5/2013 2:52:20 PM

abmccray, we'll have to disagree. No matter what drives it, desire, urge, whatever - having sex with another person isn't a need. Calling it such is only a justification to pursue it. If cleaning your pipes is a need as a male, then fine I understand that - what you do with it in particular to get that accomplished is not a need.


Well, we're getting away from the point of my addendum/rebuttal there that started this side conversation. That is, that there is another level of instinct that is chemically DIFFERENT between genders that a lot of women don't understand exists.

It's not a "need" if you define need as "you will die without doing this" (but as Troutman stated earlier, that also means you don't need a house or clothes either, technically, you can just stay in a box with a blanket to avoid dying from exposure - stretching the definition of need that far is more semantics as opposed to getting the idea). However, there's a strong instinctual urge that goes outside of "sex is fun" or even society saying "the more women you have, the better you are" that almost all men share to varying degrees, which is actually different than that of women. And most of what are generally defined as needs are just expressions of our core instinct - food, shelter, procreation, which is why that terminology is used.

People aren't literally saying you will die (outside of the people that don't understand analogies); people are saying there are very powerful core male urges that go hand in hand with the scarcity of the item sought after for those same men.
 abmccray
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Posted: 10/5/2013 3:52:07 PM
Well, we're talking about different TYPES of impulse. If the woman's core impulse is to nurture a child, she's going to have a core push for quality. A males impulse would be to spread as much seed as much as possible, so there would always be a push for quantity.

As my first post on the subject said, our giant brains think/go beyond those core impulses, but they still do have an effect on our processes deep down inside. That could explain the huge sexual gulf there.

As for your second statement, I would say -most- men WHEN you factor in prostitutes. Without prostitutes (which are either high risk, even of death via danger, or high cost when you're talking escorts or strippers), then that drops significantly for guys, possibly to the 50% range. The base rule is that a woman can have sex with a guy 2 levels "up" at any time, a guy "2 levels down." If that guy is a "2," then he's in trouble.

this is sex only, not meaningful sex or relationships. Once relationships are factored in, everything completely changes.
 Behind-Blue-Eyes_53
Joined: 12/19/2011
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Posted: 10/5/2013 5:45:44 PM
Except for the times I was stationed in BFE in the Military where the Male-Female ratio was 1,000-1 or worse. It wasn't a question of "could I get laid". The problem was getting laid by whom I wanted to get laid by........ Most the times it was a matter of, Location, location, location..........
 juliettes7
Joined: 11/4/2012
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Posted: 10/5/2013 11:35:03 PM
Men don't "need" women to have release.
I think the "need" is more an ego/look important to other men competition hierarchy. Obviously this is just how it looks to me..on the outside looking in.
It just seems an identity issue--am I enough of a man if I can't succeed with certain types of women, compete against other men, and earn some social standing.. It seems like game.
I know women engage in a pageant type mentality but I think they age out of it. It seems like lot of men never stop thinking like this or ever say this phrase "I don't need a woman".
It seems getting the type they want to show off --to other men, oddly, is a never ending fantasy. Women will grow tired of the game and declare retirement, find other resources--some are ok without that validation, but I rarely see men talking like this.
 Arlo_Troutman
Joined: 6/25/2013
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Posted: 10/6/2013 10:32:36 AM

(WIP) I have a similar sex drive - what does being a woman have to do with this?


*snicker* Y0u don't even realize how obnoxiously condescending this sounds, do you? You think that because you "like" sex, and men "like" sex, that gives you a detailed understanding of, and a complete insight into, men's psyches, and allows you to wholesale dismiss any arguments that offend your sensibilities.



It's as natural as food and water -- but sure, the results won't be the same. But all are unnatural to be restricted and all are basic wills.


(WIP) Sure it is, but to group it in with things that we'd die if we didn't have isn't accurate.


Neither is making arbitrary distinctions just to bolster your argument...
 Fleuron
Joined: 8/18/2010
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Posted: 10/6/2013 10:42:42 AM


People aren't literally saying you will die (outside of the people that don't understand analogies); people are saying there are very powerful core male urges that go hand in hand with the scarcity of the item sought after for those same men


I don’t understand why some posters have to speak for others on here. You don’t. That’s why each person posting posts his or her own posts. YOU may not be saying something…that’s fine. But you do not control how others perceive what other posters (or you for that matter) say. Dig?

“Scarcity of the item,” I love it. I think you should use that in your opening line if you approach a woman…I mean, an item.

There is no way for anyone to measure anybody else’s sex drive. Saying men have such a strong sex drive so much stronger than women’s and planting seeds and populating the earth and cavemen and blah blah blah….. makes me wonder if some men have ever had any kind of real relationship with any real woman, ever.


Gotta say, that just sounds ludicrous to me, really.


It is.

Honestly it just sounds like desperate begging from desperate guys: “Come on, please? I have a weiner; I neeeeeeeeeeeed it!”
 WomanInProgress
Joined: 10/16/2005
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Posted: 10/6/2013 12:21:37 PM

*snicker* Y0u don't even realize how obnoxiously condescending this sounds, do you? You think that because you "like" sex, and men "like" sex, that gives you a detailed understanding of, and a complete insight into, men's psyches, and allows you to wholesale dismiss any arguments that offend your sensibilities.

That sounds so much more complicated than my actual point - I should go along with it since it's so damned impressive. It's not even close to what I was saying, but hey - what difference does it make, right?

More like...for those who like sex more than others, it's still not a "need". If it was, I'd probably be the prime female candidate to need it and I'd love to use the phrase to get it if I thought it would up my activity - but it isn't.
 abmccray
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Posted: 10/6/2013 7:08:14 PM

I don’t understand why some posters have to speak for others on here. You don’t. That’s why each person posting posts his or her own posts. YOU may not be saying something…that’s fine. But you do not control how others perceive what other posters (or you for that matter) say. Dig?

“Scarcity of the item,” I love it. I think you should use that in your opening line if you approach a woman…I mean, an item.

There is no way for anyone to measure anybody else’s sex drive. Saying men have such a strong sex drive so much stronger than women’s and planting seeds and populating the earth and cavemen and blah blah blah….. makes me wonder if some men have ever had any kind of real relationship with any real woman, ever.


There is a variance of the level of reading comprehension on these forums, with a lot of people misconstruing what other people are saying, simply from reading individual posts as islands in themselves as opposed to reading a person's whole argument. Or from singling out sentences in posts in isolation as opposed to seeing the entire point via the structure of the entire post.

Most of "people speaking for other people" are people stepping in and saying "I think you might be reading this wrong because you are not seeing the whole post" in general.

For instance, you singling out scarcity of the item as referring to a woman in a relationship format when the post topic is clearly "sexual release" is disconcerting, as I can't even see how that could be so misconstrued.

Also, sex drive is and has been measured in various ways. That's what the aforementioned statements are based on. Sexual psychology being tied into primal instincts is a most likely theory that borders on hypothesis, but the theory with the most (loose) supporting evidence, as at least there are observable comparisons with that.
 grizzelda
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Posted: 10/7/2013 5:50:47 AM
“Scarcity of the item,” I love it. I think you should use that in your opening line if you approach a woman…I mean, an item.


This is think belies all the claims that are being made about how much of a "Need" sex is for men, if this was the case then men would not have issues with having sex with any woman, at any time because their need would be so overwhelming they would have the ability to just spread that seed regardless, beer goggles or not. So what she looks like would have absolutely no impact on their ability to have sex, as biology just doesnt have that narrow a outlook when it comes to continuing the species. AB's whole premise relies on the idea that men need to spread that seed, so how does waiting around for a hot chick to screw you work if you cant attract a hot chick? It doesnt, so again a very poor biological strategy when you really think about it...

Again IMO this is social conditioning of how sucessful a man is dependant on the precieved value of his mate. Its not about how his mate can breed strong, disease resistant babies that will carry in his genetic legacy, its about how high his "social stock" will rise when he bangs a woman that society has decided is attractive.
 abmccray
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Posted: 10/7/2013 5:57:01 AM
This is think belies all the claims that are being made about how much of a "Need" sex is for men, if this was the case then men would not have issues with having sex with any woman, at any time because their need would be so overwhelming they would have the ability to just spread that seed regardless, beer goggles or not. So what she looks like would have absolutely no impact on their ability to have sex, as biology just doesnt have that narrow a outlook when it comes to continuing the species. AB's whole premise relies on the idea that men need to spread that seed, so how does waiting around for a hot chick to screw you work if you cant attract a hot chick? It doesnt, so again a very poor biological strategy when you really think about it...

Again IMO this is social conditioning of how sucessful a man is dependant on the precieved value of his mate. Its not about how his mate can breed strong, disease resistant babies that will carry in his genetic legacy, its about how high his "social stock" will rise when he bangs a woman that society has decided is attractive.


Prostitution and porn are 99% male-focused/marketed. That is what men use to curb this. And despite what the movies tell you, most prostitutes look absolutely horrendous, so it has nothing to do with "perceived status."

It's interesting that only women are countering this as well. There are biological differences between the sexes when it comes to sexual want/need. They're working with different chemical levels, after all.
 grizzelda
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Posted: 10/7/2013 6:19:22 AM
If this is a socially integrated thought process why would a man argue against something he has been told is true all this life. No one is saying that there arent biological differences, we are just suggesting that this particular one is a little suspect in its claim to survival of men...And you also have to admit that this whole premise that men are not in control of their sexual needs based on the idea that it is a biological imperative has been very useful for a very long time, so why call bullshit on something that serves your best interests?

Again, if men are using prostitutues, which I certainly know do not look like Julia Roberts, then it supports my belief that men can really get laid when they want, they just keep holding out for the woman that they want rather than the woman they can get...
 BabblingBrookes
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Posted: 10/7/2013 6:48:44 AM
Of course guys can get laid whenever they want. Here, I'll give a few prime locations to get your jollies:

1. Retirement home: I'm sure there are some lonely elders that would love a strapping young man to play with.
2. Get a blow job from another guy: Just close your eyes and use your imagination.
3. Choose an obese girl: Bigger girls have options, but you have a better chance.

Again, if it boils down to having sex with someone you want to have sex with...then guys and girls are in the same spot. The difference is that girls in general can get sex from someone more attractive than a guy can get sex from.
 abmccray
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Posted: 10/7/2013 7:00:59 AM
The framework of my statement is that there is a larger biological urge for men to get laid MORE OFTEN than women on average, with this urge being focused more on a feeling of "need" than pure pleasure. It's not saying men can't overcome it - it's saying that there's something in the back of the male mind saying "have sex now" constantly, especially when towards the prime that does not exist with women.

I made the analogy of the difference between a mental and chemical addiction to describe the difference between the two urges.

This isn't likely to just be a "social' thing, because it's something that's common in our closest animal relatives as well.

If there is a raw distinction in the instinct of the sexes, it makes sense that there would be a difference in what men and women are willing to hold out for as well.

Secondarily, most men are really bad at getting laid. When you mix that most women don't have as strong of an urge to have sex in general at any given time, and the social setup of the entire approach, you run into a situation where the mid-low level men have trouble getting laid in general.

I'll give you an example - a bar will often have like a 70-30 male/female split or worse. The percentage of single women drops even further, since, say, 15% of the men will be there with 15% of the women. So you have, like 30% of guys who would be willing to get laid that night going after that final 15% who may or may not want to. The women will reach higher, in general, the guys, lower because the women get to pick and choose because they're in the minority. Half of those guys have no chance at all because they're competing with guys that are better than them over a smaller number.

Even outside of that - the more all-around-attractive (counting income, status, etc.) men that are more promiscuous tend to put a cache of women they feel are "beer goggles" on the backburner. Because these same women have these men showing even that interest in them, they won't give a lot of other guys on their same 'level' a chance in hopes that they'll be in relationships with the guy stringing them along for sex.

This is just about sex, though - with actual relationships, that becomes more even. But when talking sex - the top half of guys are basically squeezing the bottom half out, meaning that they have to rely on porn, prostitutes, and angry messages on message boards. And prostitutes are a scary thing since you're risking public humiliation, imprisonment, disease, and even harm in some cases (every metro area has boards dedicated to the prostitution in the area - reading those is quite enlightening).
 SWEET_MAVERICK
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Posted: 10/7/2013 7:17:31 AM
Secondarily, most men are really bad at getting laid. When you mix that most women don't have as strong of an urge to have sex in general at any given time, and the social setup of the entire approach, you run into a situation where the mid-low level men have trouble getting laid in general.

I'll give you an example - a bar will often have like a 70-30 male/female split or worse. The percentage of single women drops even further, since, say, 15% of the men will be there with 15% of the women. So you have, like 30% of guys who would be willing to get laid that night going after that final 15% who may or may not want to. The women will reach higher, in general, the guys, lower because the women get to pick and choose because they're in the minority. Half of those guys have no chance at all because they're competing with guys that are better than them over a smaller number.

Even outside of that - the more all-around-attractive (counting income, status, etc.) men that are more promiscuous tend to put a cache of women they feel are "beer goggles" on the backburner. Because these same women have these men showing even that interest in them, they won't give a lot of other guys on their same 'level' a chance in hopes that they'll be in relationships with the guy stringing them along for sex.

Overall, I agree w/ this post, very astute BUT...there are some variations w/ geographic locations & age group.
In the past in my area, I have gone to singles mixers (meetup, not POF) singles bars, etc. It seemed like there was an age gap- like there were senior bars & dances OR 30-something...but nothing for 40's-50's. The things I did go to, had sooo many women, many nice looking, well groomed & so few men, most were very unattractive. You rarely saw any hooking up, let alone conversations/buying a drink.
There have been times in the past when myself & female friends would admit to being very horny & had no one, I mean no one even if we were to put beer goggles on, that we could have sex with.
I generally met my IRL dates when doing non-bar, non-singles stuff. Going to meetups that revolved around topics (David Lynch fan club, board games, etc) or real life stuff like volunteering, coffee shop, walking around the neighborhood, etc.

I have had times in the past when I met men who were OK, not hideous, but not Harry Handsome & hinted to them that I was "interested"...every one of them seemed to freak out, stammer, get embarrassed ( & I was not overly forward or tacky) so IF in the future, I needed a "hook up" I'd let the man approach, as none of my approaches ever worked.

I also suspect in my age category there are impotent man, asexual men, in the closet men, socially retarded men, etc. so why even go there?

I think the "nice guys" are not used to women hinting that they want sex & don't know how to handle it.
 JoeBnD
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Posted: 10/7/2013 9:14:31 AM
Back in my college days, my sister came one weekend to go to a football game and she stayed with us. While there (and not knowing anyone since she did not attend that particular college), she bumped into one of the opposing team's coaches who was someone she knew from some time ago. Later that night, my friend/roommate and I got to listen to the two of them go at it in the other room (and now, at least, my bedroom would know what sex actually sounded like). So I am going to have to answer yes to the OP's question.
 BabblingBrookes
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Posted: 10/7/2013 12:15:46 PM

As stated by you, while women get some bums approaching them, they also get decent guys or I'm sure a decent number of good looking guys approaching them


Uh, no I didn't. That's what you "heard" since you, like many men, believe they are a feasible option for the women they approach. You don't get to choose how attractive another person finds you. If you were a feasible option, they'd agree with you.


The difference is that girls in general can get sex from someone more attractive than a guy can get sex from.


Note that "more" is a relative term. So a 1 is more attractive than a 0, but it doesn't put them into the "decent" or "good looking" category. Why do guys always jump to the conclusion that all women have bevies of suitable guys just within their reach? If they're so suitable, you bone them.

If I'm having sex with someone I don't find attractive...and you're having sex with someone you don't find attractive, how are we in different positions? Sounds like we're both in a bad spot even if my unattractive guy is more attractive than your unattractive girl. We're both being screwed by someone we don't find attractive.
 JoeBnD
Joined: 3/23/2012
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Posted: 10/7/2013 12:27:42 PM
Okay, I wasn't going to post this but I think I can settle this debate right now.

Show of hands - how many of you out there have had (since college age), or are currently in, an unwanted celibate streak lasting three or more years? Oh hell, let's make it interesting - let's say seven or more years! Let's see the gender gap.

<<<---------- Raises his hand (celibate and dateless for over 7 years, and this isn't the first time)
 activemelaney
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Posted: 10/7/2013 12:46:38 PM
Babblingbrooks. So true.

I don't settle for a man because he is higher on the scale of attractiveness than I might be. He can be a solid 10 and I have no desire to have anything inserted in my body unless I experience a full package of positive attributes. Nobody has or ever will touch my body because some societal scale of worth gives him some theoretical value.
 Fleuron
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Posted: 10/7/2013 1:53:27 PM

This is think belies all the claims that are being made about how much of a "Need" sex is for men, if this was the case then men would not have issues with having sex with any woman, at any time because their need would be so overwhelming they would have the ability to just spread that seed regardless, beer goggles or not…


Well and wouldn’t men be constantly jumping random women in public and anywhere if they need it so very badly, for their utter survival? How can they be expected to control themselves at all? I would think animals would be running for cover as well.

It’s also funny to me how we’re always reminded that “it’s 2013” blah blah blah yet some cling to the bizarre notion that the earth requires populating, ie: Old Testament.


Again IMO this is social conditioning of how sucessful a man is dependant on the precieved value of his mate. Its not about how his mate can breed strong, disease resistant babies that will carry in his genetic legacy….


That is beyond ridiculous and you worded it in a very hilarious way.

I’ve seen animals rut; they don’t give a damn about their genetic legacy. Oh that’s funny.


…..its about how high his "social stock" will rise when he bangs a woman that society has decided is attractive.


Maybe it’s more to do with how he PERCEIVES his “social stock” will rise or get him some fist bumps from the guys. Who but others with like minds could pretend to take it seriously?

I think guys who are unable to recognize women as human beings have severe social and emotional (and probably lots of other) problems….definitely NOT dateable (or “layable”).
 Post_PrepatoryLIFER
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Posted: 10/7/2013 2:06:14 PM
Are we women no better in painting men to be nothing more than poor, base creatures unable to nothing more than selfish d*nks? Generalizing, demoralizing, objectifying?

Or do we FIRST be fair and extend to view men as being honourable, accountable, respectable men of reputable characters that have honest desires, owning the ability to have beautiful dreams, or even being our equal counterparts worthy of attributing them highest of qualities?

I don't see how we can moan about generations past or challenge notions how women were viewed and treated then we commit what we think as wrongful, in our very posts thus perpetuating the same crimes.

I think if anyone, be them male or female, want to get 'laid' they will set out and find someone to use/abuse or even mutually reach a decision to engage in meaningless sex for the sake of it can be done.

Should they is another coin.
 lookinfouryoutoo
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Posted: 10/7/2013 2:06:45 PM

Maybe it’s more to do with how he PERCEIVES his “social stock” will rise or get him some fist bumps from the guys. Who but others with like minds could pretend to take it seriously?


I often date women who are much more attractive than I am, and I can tell you, people react to it. I have also done the opposite and dated women who were not as attractive as I am. People notice the brand of jeans you wear, the type of car you drive, and they sure notice the girl on your arm too.
 Arlo_Troutman
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Posted: 10/7/2013 2:43:42 PM

(fleuron) Well and wouldn’t men be constantly jumping random women in public and anywhere ...


I used to do that. I was building up quite an immunity to Mace, too, and then somebody went and started marketing pepper-spray.
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