Notice: Forums will be shutdown by June 2019

To focus on better serving our members, we've decided to shut down the POF forums.

While regular posting is now disabled, you can continue to view all threads until the end of June 2019. Event Hosts can still create and promote events while we work on a new and improved event creation service for you.

Thank you!

Plentyoffish dating forums are a place to meet singles and get dating advice or share dating experiences etc. Hopefully you will all have fun meeting singles and try out this online dating thing... Remember that we are the largest free online dating service, so you will never have to pay a dime to meet your soulmate.
     
Show ALL Forums  > Dating Experiences  >      Home login  
 AUTHOR
 abmccray
Joined: 8/3/2008
Msg: 773
view profile
History
Can women REALLY get laid whenever they want? Page 23 of 44    (4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44)
I've said over and over again that men have options they are UNWILLING to consider.


People have addressed this. People have countered that the level of options is not comparable - women normally have guys that they don't want for long-term reasons, or guys that they just aren't really that attracted to at all. The entire point was that it's not a comparable situation, between men and women at all; which some women refuse to acknowledge, because, as stated, they don't want to believe they have any advantages in any aspects, even if it's an advantage they don't care about. That's what this whole discussion is about - not figuring out that an analogy doesn't mean that every single facet of the comparative item is a direct 1-1 match.

My first post in this this thread said, "yes, it's true that women can get laid at any single time they want, just not necessarily with who they want, so it doesn't matter in practice." Anything else was in response to the notion that this wasn't true or that it was the same for men. The point of the analogy (which you said was wrong before you edit), was that when you have a physiological brain induced "need" attached, it shifts perceptions as compared to a psychological "want." not that you would literally die or whatever nonsense people that don't understand that were going on about. Men have different chemicals and psychologies than women when it comes to sex.

The reason it's not the same for men is that saying they "can get another man" as about 5 levels difference from someone they aren't mentally attracted to, or is "not quite what they want," etc. which is the case with women. Guys have these same things, that's why they're called "slump-busters" or why we have "beer goggles" and that's what the women that get called for sex and no relationships are. The difference being, only the top half-ish of men have those, the bottom don't because they're unable to get anyone attracted to them that can still make their parts rise at all. And if they need $200 dollars to pay someone for it, or might get arrested if they attempt to, no, they can't have sex at any time at all.

A guy can drink beer to rise with a chubby woman he sees at the bar, but there's no amount of beer that will make it work with another man because there's no attraction there if he's not that far shifted on the Kinsey scale where it will.

That's what the point is - it is different for men and women, by leagues. And people that deny that are denying the obvious, which begs to reason why they're doing that.
 SWEET_MAVERICK
Joined: 9/28/2013
Msg: 774
Can women REALLY get laid whenever they want?
Posted: 10/10/2013 11:02:30 AM
I think many more men could be getting laid if they altered their behavior(s) #1 a little grooming goes a long way. Brush your teeth. Take care of yourself. Don't be so freaking cheap (not saying u have to be an ATM either) Get a little games, get some cohones.

Ladies, take care of urselves too. Stick ur neck out a little. Let him be the one w/ the d1ck.

There would be a lot more getting laid going on, IMO.


A guy can drink beer to rise with a chubby woman he sees at the bar


Excuse me, I am def a few xtra, I easily could be considered chubby & NO ONE has ever had to drink a beer to get a boner for me.

Why do u make an assumption that all women w/ xtra meat ARE UNDESIRABLE/ASEXUAL???

I've seen some really skanky/fugly skinny women & some stunning meaty ones & vice versa.

Don't lump everyone into the same category

And not all men have such an obvious dislike of "chubby" ;0P
 abmccray
Joined: 8/3/2008
Msg: 775
view profile
History
Can women REALLY get laid whenever they want?
Posted: 10/10/2013 11:15:39 AM
It was just the 'easiest' example - sorry if you felt offended by it. Weight aversion (borderline degrees) is one of the first things that goes away the more and more guys drink, since a lot of weight aversion for many men is social. So it's one of , if not -the- most common thing that 'beer goggles' make go away.
 Arlo_Troutman
Joined: 6/25/2013
Msg: 776
Can women REALLY get laid whenever they want?
Posted: 10/10/2013 1:36:20 PM

(BB) Do I NEED more than 2 cubic feet to live?


If you're not one of those Hindu contortionists who can fold their bodies into ridiculously small spaces, then yes you'd need more than 2 cubic *FEET* to live. I used 2 cubic *METRES* to make my point...


No, but I do need more than that to live a life worth living. It's the amount of time I would be in that situation that makes a difference to me.


Explain the concept of *QUALITY* of life to womaninprogress, not me. I get it already; she's the one having problems with it...

The rest of your argument I liken to American beer: it's weak.
 lookinfouryoutoo
Joined: 7/31/2012
Msg: 778
view profile
History
Can women REALLY get laid whenever they want?
Posted: 10/10/2013 5:14:02 PM

It was just the 'easiest' example - sorry if you felt offended by it. Weight aversion (borderline degrees) is one of the first things that goes away the more and more guys drink, since a lot of weight aversion for many men is social. So it's one of , if not -the- most common thing that 'beer goggles' make go away.


For me, I've noticed it takes about 3 drinks per 10 pounds, or about 15 beers for a girl that's 50 pounds overweight.
 JoeBnD
Joined: 3/23/2012
Msg: 779
Can women REALLY get laid whenever they want?
Posted: 10/10/2013 9:41:32 PM
For me, there is not enough alcohol in the world. Call me shallow, I don't care.
 Fleuron
Joined: 8/18/2010
Msg: 780
Can women REALLY get laid whenever they want?
Posted: 10/11/2013 11:47:07 AM

For me, I've noticed it takes about 3 drinks per 10 pounds, or about 15 beers for a girl that's 50 pounds overweight.



For me, there is not enough alcohol in the world. Call me shallow, I don't care.


Wow, can I relate to that! I’d rather swallow broken glass shards than screw an insensitive sexist ass hole. Booze couldn’t destroy my consciousness anywhere near enough.
 Confident-Realist
Joined: 2/8/2004
Msg: 781
Can women REALLY get laid whenever they want?
Posted: 10/11/2013 1:10:15 PM
Excuse me, I am def a few xtra, I easily could be considered chubby & NO ONE has ever had to drink a beer to get a boner for me.

Call some guys too picky, too arrogant, or whatever -- but it's incredibly far-fetched to say that NO GUY EVER would be in that zone where getting his drink on would tilt him over the edge to want a woman vs otherwise not, when she's under a 9/10. It will be less frequent the higher up the scale a woman is, more frequent the lower the scale. And it depends on how cute (or not so cute) the guy is, in comparison. Same goes the opposite way, gender-wise.

Why do u make an assumption that all women w/ xtra meat ARE UNDESIRABLE/ASEXUAL???

He wasn't saying that. As you point out, there's plenty of thin, skanky girls -- so weight is just one factor that can make a woman's looks be better, worse, or neither. It doesn't go from undesirable/zero-sexual-attraction to staunchly desirable/sexually-attractive. There's that in between. Beer helps that in between shift. :)

And not all men have such an obvious dislike of "chubby"

True -- and that's a very general term. Merely chubby to one will be really Fat to another. I know guys who have very thin gfs/wives who are more attracted to women with a bit extra meat on their bones (carrying it well) than they did before or your average guy. And vice versa. But, many women 5'4" and 35lbs overweight are not going to be as attractive to most men than a woman 5'4" 5lbs overweight.
 JoeBnD
Joined: 3/23/2012
Msg: 782
Can women REALLY get laid whenever they want?
Posted: 10/11/2013 2:16:17 PM
What, pray tell, is this sensitivity of which you speak? Something tells me that it is vastly overrated which has made its existence in today's society extremely rare on both sides of the gender fence. :)
 SWEET_MAVERICK
Joined: 9/28/2013
Msg: 783
Can women REALLY get laid whenever they want?
Posted: 10/11/2013 2:56:24 PM
I'll tell you what I often have seen from both genders...2's & 3's demanding they get 7's, 8's 9's & 10's, when they'd be lucky to get a 4!

Beggars can't be choosers...

Perhaps unrealistic expectations are the crux of many dating dramas!
 that_ol_lady
Joined: 4/19/2013
Msg: 784
Can women REALLY get laid whenever they want?
Posted: 10/11/2013 3:17:07 PM
^^^ Hey miss blondie i have to agree with you on that some people out here in the world do have some werid unrealistic expectations when it comes to sex an dating.. which can be related to another thread on here about some folks can not seperate porno world from the real world..i had to straight up tell this 1 guy on a site last week of hey get out of porno land an come back that is not reality everything you see in a movie is not true an you just cant go around acting or thinking like that all the time,,

his reply well why not?! after that i left it alone i couldnt come up with the energy to exsplain to a 33 year old man why when dealing with life an real people you cant act an treat them like they are in your made up porno fantasy in your head..



sigungq
A woman may be able to get laid whenever she wants, but she can't have any man she wants.


i will agree with you there..a woman maybe able to get some "sex" but it doesnt mean it will always be from the person she would like it to be with..

an i have to say to some who think bad sex is better then no sex..UHHH wrong if youve ever had really good sex with a person you loved or lusted for..then statements like that wouldnt be coming out of your mouth..

id rather go without sexual relations then to get stuck having to hook up with a selfish wildebeest looking creature whos only trying to climb on top do his busniess an then leave..
 Natas_75
Joined: 5/8/2013
Msg: 785
Can women REALLY get laid whenever they want?
Posted: 10/11/2013 4:19:39 PM
"I will agree with you there..a woman maybe able to get some "sex" but it doesnt mean it will always be from the person she would like it to be with..

an i have to say to some who think bad sex is better then no sex..UHHH wrong if youve ever had really good sex with a person you loved or lusted for..then statements like that wouldnt be coming out of your mouth..

id rather go without sexual relations then to get stuck having to hook up with a selfish wildebeest looking creature whos only trying to climb on top do his busniess an then leave.."

+1 Yup, that's it.

In short, yes we can, but not necessarily with someone we want and if that's the case, why bother? Too many potentially negative consequences...
 SWEET_MAVERICK
Joined: 9/28/2013
Msg: 786
Can women REALLY get laid whenever they want?
Posted: 10/11/2013 6:33:10 PM
will agree with you there..a woman maybe able to get some "sex" but it doesnt mean it will always be from the person she would like it to be with..

an i have to say to some who think bad sex is better then no sex..UHHH wrong if youve ever had really good sex with a person you loved or lusted for..then statements like that wouldnt be coming out of your mouth..

id rather go without sexual relations then to get stuck having to hook up with a selfish wildebeest looking creature whos only trying to climb on top do his busniess an then leave..


LOL you left out the 99 cent Banquet Frozen TV dinners on Sat nite along w/ the jar of vaseline ;0P
 Confident-Realist
Joined: 2/8/2004
Msg: 787
Can women REALLY get laid whenever they want?
Posted: 10/11/2013 6:43:37 PM

I'll tell you what I often have seen from both genders...2's & 3's demanding they get 7's, 8's 9's & 10's, when they'd be lucky to get a 4!

Absolutely. I think usually it's not That far off, but it does exist. More often I see 5's & 6's expecting 8's & 9's. Which Can happen, but "I'm not going to settle!" is their battling cry, not knowing they're a 5 or 6, and they're irked that things "aren't working out".

Too many times people are one-sided. Critical of their looks, but at the same time, thinking they're higher than they are. I think it's pushed by folks who think "Everyone's just as beautiful as the next. Everyone's taste is different!" -- as if people's tastes are random, which they're not (just some variance). Those who believe who are 5's will look over at someone else of their own gender who's ~8, and think they're just as good looking, when they're not, even though they once in the past dated an 8 or possibly 9 in their life.
 kj521
Joined: 8/8/2012
Msg: 788
Can women REALLY get laid whenever they want?
Posted: 10/11/2013 7:06:05 PM
Cr:

Just curious.......who establishes the parameters of this rating scale? How the heck does anyone know what number they are?

It seems to me that it is, in essence, pretty subjective......unless there are some guidelines somewhere that I don't know about.....
 LiliMarleen
Joined: 5/24/2009
Msg: 789
view profile
History
Can women REALLY get laid whenever they want?
Posted: 10/12/2013 3:42:33 AM
Haha, that stupid rating scale. Who decides that, anyway?

The only thing that matters is that we're satisfied with each other. Who cares if anybody thinks we're 5s or 6s, as long as we each think the other is a 10. Or, we could even think the other is a 5, looks-wise, and still be satisfied, I suppose, although, in my experience, when I'm in love, I always think he's a 10.
 Arlo_Troutman
Joined: 6/25/2013
Msg: 790
Can women REALLY get laid whenever they want?
Posted: 10/12/2013 7:32:15 AM

(Sweet_Maverick) Excuse me, I am def a few xtra, I easily could be considered chubby & NO ONE has ever had to drink a beer to get a boner for me.


Bully for you.


Why do u make an assumption that all women w/ xtra meat ARE UNDESIRABLE/ASEXUAL???


Abmccray has made that assumption *WHERE*, *EXACTLY*?


I've seen some really skanky/fugly skinny women & some stunning meaty ones & vice versa.


As have I; as has, no doubt, everyone here. Attractiveness, though, is a purely subjective concept. What one person may find attractive, another might find repulsive. For example, I find hypersensitive people who are just looking for excuses to get all screechy and defensive to be repulsive; I imagine that there are guys out there who find that attractive. Overweight, though, is a somewhat less subjective state: one is either overweeight, or one is not. Some people find chubby girls attractrive. What abmccray was doing was, pointing out that inebriation *WILL* cause *SOME* men to have coitus with women they might not otherwise consider. This is a far cry from him having said, "Beer, and lots of it, is the *ONLY* reason chubby girls get laid!"

Stop being such a cry-baby.
 SWEET_MAVERICK
Joined: 9/28/2013
Msg: 791
Can women REALLY get laid whenever they want?
Posted: 10/12/2013 8:00:58 AM
A guy can drink beer to rise with a chubby woman he sees at the bar, but there's no amount of beer that will make it work with another man because there's no attraction there if he's not that far shifted on the Kinsey scale where it will.

That's what the point is - it is different for men and women, by leagues. And people that deny that are denying the obvious, which begs to reason why they're doing that.


I totally get what he^ said, BUT what I am trying to point out is, generally it is the woman who do the deciding of who they want to sleep with, & if a man chooses to drink beer to get laid w/ a woman who he feels is beneath him, that's on him, not her. I've had men who were way larger hit on me & I wouldn't sleep w/ them even if I were passed out! I've also had slim men hit on me who I wouldn't sleep with no matter what.

If someone chooses to get drunk so they can "lower" themselves to having sex w/ someone they find repugnant for whatever reason I'd say that is pretty pathetic.

I think size is just one of the many factors that make up attractiveness ;0)
 kj521
Joined: 8/8/2012
Msg: 792
Can women REALLY get laid whenever they want?
Posted: 10/12/2013 8:14:46 AM
"If someone chooses to get drunk so they can "lower" themselves to having sex w/ someone they find repugnant for whatever reason I'd say that is pretty pathetic."

I agree with this statement.


"if a man chooses to drink beer to get laid w/ a woman who he feels is beneath him, that's on him, not her."


But it is pretty pathetic that the woman would allow herself to be used in such a way.....and that's on her.....imo.





vvvvv But what if she doesn't! :/
 usmale6
Joined: 9/14/2013
Msg: 793
Can women REALLY get laid whenever they want?
Posted: 10/12/2013 8:28:38 AM
Do you know what's good about marrying an ugly woman? - If she ever leaves you, who cares?!
 Arlo_Troutman
Joined: 6/25/2013
Msg: 794
Can women REALLY get laid whenever they want?
Posted: 10/12/2013 8:33:42 AM
(Sweet_Maverick) I totally get what he^ said ...


I am quite certain you don't. You assumed it was a put-down aimed at all "chubby" women, which it most certainly wasn't.


... BUT what I am trying to point out is, generally it is the woman who do the deciding of who they want to sleep with...


I thought that was already understood. Back-pedalling in an attempt to convince people that you *DIDN'T* say what you clearly did, only works when there isn't a record of what you actually *DID* say. You got all screechy and indignant that abmccray talked about "chubby" girls.


... & if a man chooses to drink beer to get laid w/ a woman who he feels is beneath him, that's on him, not her.


Abmccray's point was that alcohol sometimes causes people to do things they otherwise wouldn't, and was somewhat tangential to the main topic, which (by this time) has evolved into "Can women more easily procure sex than men?", to which the answer is a, "Well, d'uh, *OBVIOUSLY!*"

If a woman allows herself to be bedded by an inebriate, that's on her not him.

If someone chooses to get drunk so they can "lower" themselves to having sex w/ someone they find repugnant for whatever reason I'd say that is pretty pathetic.


I agree. But, whether it's "pathetic" or not: *IT HAPPENS*. If it bothers you, campaign against it where it'd make a difference; don't pretend that abmccray said something that he didn't, just so you can trot out your personal views that aren't really related to the topic at hand.

Lewis Black had a funny number on some comedy show, about how people with only one fact will try to insert that one fact in to any conversation.

Economist on a talk-show: The global economy isn't recovering as predicted.
Opposing side: DO YOU REALIZE THAT ONE POLAR BEAR DIES EVERY 15 SECONDS?!?
Economist: That's tragic, but it d0esn't really address the topic...
Opposing side: ONE POLAR BEAR EVERY 15 SECONDS!!! THAT'S FOUR POLAR BEARS EVERY MINUTE!!! THAT'S FIFTEEN POLAR BEARS EVERY... WELL, I DON'T DO MATH, BUT WE'RE GONNA BE UP TO OUR TITS IN DEAD POLAR BEARS, AND YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT YOUR JOB?!? UNLESS YOU HAVE A TRUCK AND A SHOVEL, YOU'RE GONNA BE SCREWED!!!
 hounddoug
Joined: 3/21/2013
Msg: 795
Can women REALLY get laid whenever they want?
Posted: 10/12/2013 9:22:47 AM
Good thing I rarely go to pubs for a beer. If a woman wouldn't want to be with me when she's sober, I sure wouldn't want to be with her when she's drunk. And the same goes for me as well.
 SWEET_MAVERICK
Joined: 9/28/2013
Msg: 796
Can women REALLY get laid whenever they want?
Posted: 10/12/2013 9:40:44 AM

But it is pretty pathetic that the woman would allow herself to be used in such a way.....and that's on her.....imo


Totally agreed.

People have their own motives & desires, who am I to judge, everyone has their preferences & what floats their boats.
 Fleuron
Joined: 8/18/2010
Msg: 797
Can women REALLY get laid whenever they want?
Posted: 10/12/2013 11:12:42 AM
JoeBnD:
What, pray tell, is this sensitivity of which you speak? Something tells me that it is vastly overrated which has made its existence in today's society extremely rare on both sides of the gender fence. :)


Yes but if it was overrated wouldn’t that make it overly abundant? To me its rarity makes it that much more prized and appreciated. :)

Arlo_Troutman:
I am quite certain you don't. You assumed it was a put-down aimed at all "chubby" women, which it most certainly wasn't.


Wow…..you know what HE meant and how SHE interpreted it. You’re amazing. You should set up a fortune-telling tent in a circus sideshow.


What abmccray was doing was, pointing out that inebriation *WILL* cause *SOME* men to have coitus with women they might not otherwise consider.


Inebriation will “cause” some men to pork any woman???? I think inebriation will “cause” some men to blame their own actions on anything rather than accept responsibility for themselves. VERY unattractive.

Besides of which, how does being drunk make a man f uckable to ANY woman? I suppose legions of fat women sit around just waiting for some guys to get drunk so they can pork them

IMO men who have so little regard for women can’t possibly regard themselves very highly. So so sad. :(
 whippedboi
Joined: 3/12/2013
Msg: 798
Can women REALLY get laid whenever they want?
Posted: 10/12/2013 11:23:30 AM

I think inebriation will “cause” some men to blame their own actions on anything rather than accept responsibility for themselves. VERY unattractive.


you may wish to believe that some women do not do the same thing, perhaps YOU don't, but many women do. sorry
Show ALL Forums  > Dating Experiences  >