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 laughingatliberals
Joined: 10/11/2011
Msg: 226
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It is not many, it is select few and that is their right to do so.


Yes it is and why on earth would someone pay for something they can get free? One reason only the care they are paying for is better than the care they get for free.



http://www.freep.com/article/20090820/BUSINESS06/908200420/Canadians-visit-U-S-get-health-care

Yeah I see a trend one that even your own government sees and is taking advantage of.....The better health care system of the USA.


Unless you can explain how that shift in tax revenue will positively effect the economy I will assume you like many others have been duped.


Easy if you go back and do some research when tax rates drop business' expand they make more products which makes more jobs and tax revenues go up.

I doubt you will be able to comprehend this but it is the way it works.

The end of WWII is a great example the high war time tax rates dropped drastically and the tax revenues went through the roof!
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 227
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 6/6/2012 4:48:26 PM

Yes it is and why on earth would someone pay for something they can get free? One reason only the care they are paying for is better than the care they get for free.

There are cases where people from the USA have come to Canada to get health care, it means nothing other than from time to time due to circumstances people will seek health care outside of their country.

Though I am sure you are familiar with medical tourist and the fact the Americans are the biggest supported of the practice of travel abroad for procedures.

I also see you ignored that fact that I blew your statement out of the water with your state of health claims and you present and opinion piece from a news paper about one guy.

It is clear when you are presented with facts you tend to avoid them, so best of luck with that.





I am still amused that you think that cutting social welfare spending is going to create shortfalls.......... The fact that you believe that leaves me with nothing to do but shrug, and move on..................

The clearly you have failed at math.

if you are giving people money and or creating jobs with programs and you cut those programs, those people no longer have that money.

It means less money in the hands of people who spend it, that money is no longer being spent at the local grocer store, at the mall on their bills it is now gone from the local economy.

That money that was spread across hundreds and now going into the hands of a few.

So explain again how when you take money out of the local economy you do not hurt it?
 laughingatliberals
Joined: 10/11/2011
Msg: 228
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 6/6/2012 5:18:29 PM

You must have flunked math. If a company charges more to increase their profits, the customer has to pay more out of his pocket. If he doesn't get a increase in pay to cover the inflation, then he's worse off.


You are right. When a company incurs another cost such as this liberal health care or having to pay higher taxes they also pass that cost on in the product.

That causes the problem you mentioned above so now you see how socialism is bad for us.
 laughingatliberals
Joined: 10/11/2011
Msg: 229
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 6/6/2012 5:45:05 PM

There are cases where people from the USA have come to Canada to get health care, it means nothing other than from time to time due to circumstances people will seek health care outside of their country.

Though I am sure you are familiar with medical tourist and the fact the Americans are the biggest supported of the practice of travel abroad for procedures.

I also see you ignored that fact that I blew your statement out of the water with your state of health claims and you present and opinion piece from a news paper about one guy.

It is clear when you are presented with facts you tend to avoid them, so best of luck with that.


The "facts" you quoted was fro wiki a site where anyone can post anything. I don't respond to something that is obviously skewed.


The clearly you have failed at math.

if you are giving people money and or creating jobs with programs and you cut those programs, those people no longer have that money.

It means less money in the hands of people who spend it, that money is no longer being spent at the local grocer store, at the mall on their bills it is now gone from the local economy.

That money that was spread across hundreds and now going into the hands of a few.

So explain again how when you take money out of the local economy you do not hurt it?


When you stop the social programs that cost tax payers money the one that were getting it are then forced to get real jobs. You know ones where that they have to pay taxes on instead of using taxes to pay them.

I mean I feel like I am teaching third grade economics.
 SweetLilGTP
Joined: 10/22/2010
Msg: 230
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 6/6/2012 5:57:56 PM
Why in hell would I work for $1.00/hr???? There are way too many things I could do in the black market


Careful with lowering wages; or you will "become" a black market state.

I.e Mexico

P.s. It doesnt seem like Wisconsin is going near that low, however, here in Ontario; even welders are being offered 12.00/hr for their services. That's really not alot in Canada.....at all. (barely survival)

P.s. Very sick of civil servants demands up here also.

Can you tell me a condition under which YOU would take a job for $1.00/hr?


I'd rather join you in the blackmarket.

(or volunteer)


By the way, there is no such thing as a "tax income"


Of course there is; it's income/revenue for the state or province.
 CoolBreezez
Joined: 8/20/2006
Msg: 231
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Posted: 6/6/2012 6:10:09 PM

The Dow had its best day this year after the news of the Wisconsin elections. Got to love it!

Yeah because two things that are totally unrelated are fun to put together to try and make a correlation.


Gee who knew- Wisconsin is a part of Spain

"Wall Street climbs two percent on talk of Spain solution"
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/stock-futures-signal-higher-wall-084249722.html
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 232
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 6/6/2012 6:13:57 PM

The "facts" you quoted was fro wiki a site where anyone can post anything. I don't respond to something that is obviously skewed.

No the facts are not from wiki they ate posted on wiki and if you think anyone can post there then go change the US to the #1 position.

That is if you where not just spewing more bullshit and you can not post anything to Wiki.

Please let me know when you get that changed.

The facts contained in the post come from the CIA World Factbook, but I am sure you knew that already.

Do you have a credible source that ranks the US higher than 38th?




When you stop the social programs that cost tax payers money the one that were getting it are then forced to get real jobs. You know ones where that they have to pay taxes on instead of using taxes to pay them.

There are more than welfare people getting cut, 800 million is coming out of the education budget, that does not go directly into peoples hands, that pays for programs that buys products and contacts out for services, all of which are going away.

How do you replace that?

Do you just repeat what you hear on the news or do you come up with this all by yourself?




I mean I feel like I am teaching third grade economics.

You are confusing what you think you are teaching with the level you seem to understand.
 laughingatliberals
Joined: 10/11/2011
Msg: 233
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 6/6/2012 6:23:44 PM

Gee who knew- Wisconsin is a part of Spain

"Wall Street climbs two percent on talk of Spain solution"
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/stock-futures-signal-higher-wall-084249722.html


The Dow was already going up fro the news of the election when the news from Europe came in.

I understand y'all liberals are in shock and thought all of America had actually bought into your idiocracy.

However time to get over it, the people have spoken and will again in November.

The country will be on the up swing as soon as the buffoonery of the last three years has been repealed.
 laughingatliberals
Joined: 10/11/2011
Msg: 234
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 6/6/2012 6:43:38 PM

No the facts are not from wiki they ate posted on wiki and if you think anyone can post there then go change the US to the #1 position.

That is if you where not just spewing more bullshit and you can not post anything to Wiki.

Please let me know when you get that changed.

The facts contained in the post come from the CIA World Factbook, but I am sure you knew that already.

Do you have a credible source that ranks the US higher than 38th?


Sure do and you will love it it is a liberal site.

http://lauraschneider.wordpress.com/2009/06/20/where-does-america-rank-in-healthcare-quality-and-efficiency/

They have the US at 37th!

If this is so accurate then why is your own country men and women coming here and paying for services that they get free there?

Seems if Canada really had better health care than the US they wouldn't be jumping the boarder with there cash to get ours!


There are more than welfare people getting cut, 800 million is coming out of the education budget, that does not go directly into peoples hands, that pays for programs that buys products and contacts out for services, all of which are going away.

How do you replace that?

Do you just repeat what you hear on the news or do you come up with this all by yourself?


And they will adapt. Get new jobs you know survive.

I added a exhaust bender to my shop once and it was a gold mine I could make at least $80.00 a job on mufflers and still charge less that half of what the dealerships would.

Then about five other shops around figured out how much money there was to be made and they bought them also.

After about 4 years they were putting the same mufflers on for $30.00 and the profit was only about $12.00 so I sold my set up to a guy in Atlanta and bought other equipment that would make me more money.

So just like I did they will adapt they will find other customers. It is called free enterprise.


I mean I feel like I am teaching third grade economics.
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You are confusing what you think you are teaching with the level you seem to understand.


No I did very well in business built and sold two of them so I am sure from your comments I have a better understanding of how it works than you do.

I notice you couldn't refute what I said right before that. You had to go to a ad hominem attack.

If my statement was wrong why not quote it and show it as wrong. That is what I did with your statement.
 Doremi_Fasolatido
Joined: 2/14/2009
Msg: 235
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On Wisconsin.
Posted: 6/6/2012 6:44:48 PM
Paul k....Waaay back in msg 249.

You said...
Ydiv class='quote'> Do you understand that what you are saying is that UNLESS the public sector unions have their way with and get paid better and have beter benefits than those who are not public sector union employees, your childrens future is bleak????[quote/]

And this...
<div class='quote'>How can you say that with a straight face? So unless your children are public sector employees, they have no future?[quote/]

I say this...
Wiscs. public employees agreed to the monetary concessions Walker wanted. When he wanted them to give up their COLLECTIVE BARGAINING RIGHTS is when the rhubarb started. If labor loses it's voice in the workplace and it's ability to BARGAIN then my childrens future will be diminished. It's just one more brick removed in the wall of power that used to be in the workmans hands. One more bit of power going from the people to....The rich.

And, I have no problem doing things on my own. Some projects do require a group effort. Running a State, building roads and bridges, many of the accomplishments we as a country did were achieved TOGETHER. Unions simply helped insure that the INDIVIDUALS working on the teams were treated fairly. INDIVIDUALS working together as a team is what made this country great. And strong. In fact it made us a states united.

To me, it's sad to see it being dismantled so the rich can have all the power. It's even sadder to see working people, union and non union alike who would believe the propaganda of groups like citizens united. They're united all right. United for lowering wage and workplace standards. They're just looking for enough "pull yourself up by your bootstrap individuals" who'll fall for their baloney.And vote against their best interests. And... why not?? It worked in Wisconsin.
 CoolBreezez
Joined: 8/20/2006
Msg: 236
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Posted: 6/6/2012 7:02:45 PM
So many fallacies so little time...


The Dow was already going up fro the news of the election when the news from Europe came in.


The news in Europe is a few hours ahead of NA. That little time zone thingy.

Ans as far as the best system in the US- back a decade ago us here in Canada had to institute a secure heath care card system. Turns out too many of you folks jumping the border and using our generous health care system without paying taxes.

Now ours isn't perfect either, but it costs about half of yours generally.

Hard to believe a good conservative would trust anybody in government, regardless of stripe.

One guy here said it best- "Same whore house different piano player" every four years. Same here kinda in the Great White North.
 laughingatliberals
Joined: 10/11/2011
Msg: 237
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 6/6/2012 7:20:18 PM
The news in Europe is a few hours ahead of NA. That little time zone thingy.


The election happened June 5th the results came in around 7:45 central time that would have been 2:45am in spain did they announce the bail out before 2:45 am June 6th?

If not please explain how you go back in time one day so the bailout precedes the election.


Hard to believe a good conservative would trust anybody in government, regardless of stripe.


Trust no expect them to do better than the liberals now that I do.
 Doremi_Fasolatido
Joined: 2/14/2009
Msg: 238
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On Wisconsin.
Posted: 6/6/2012 7:43:36 PM
Paul, you mean that Govt. workers just dictate what wages and conditions they are entitled to? There are no upper mgmt. personell that they negotiate with? No mayors, councilmen, departmental heads who negotiate and authorize it?

I know in my town it's done on a lower mgmt level. Say the police. They negotiate with the chief of police [which here is an elected post] . When a agreement is reached it goes to city council and the mayor for approval, or not. It's a NEGOTIATION process Paul not a DICTATORIAL edict...
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
Msg: 239
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On Wisconsin.
Posted: 6/6/2012 7:51:42 PM

I know in my town it's done on a lower mgmt level. Say the police. They negotiate with the chief of police [which here is an elected post] . When a agreement is reached it goes to city council and the mayor for approval, or not. It's a NEGOTIATION process Paul not a DICTATORIAL edict...


Well, then you clearly agree. When the people of the state voted it wasn't a dictatorial edict either.
 Doremi_Fasolatido
Joined: 2/14/2009
Msg: 240
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On Wisconsin.
Posted: 6/6/2012 7:58:21 PM
True, when the Wisconsinites voted it was our system in action. Unfortunately, it's a system steadily being bought out by corporate interests in hope of squashing unions. It only took 30 million of outside the state funding for this election. Citizens uniteds new slogan.... BUY the people, for the rich.
 laughingatliberals
Joined: 10/11/2011
Msg: 241
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 6/6/2012 7:58:51 PM

Well, then you clearly agree. When the people of the state voted it wasn't a dictatorial edict either.


They don't see it that way because they disagree with the people that voted Walker in twice.

The thing is they lost twice and they just want to wallow in a pity party.


The people have cast their ballots and have made their choice the question is are they going to accept it and work together for the good of the state or are they going to sabotage the voters?
I feel some would want another recall if they could get it.
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
Msg: 242
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Posted: 6/6/2012 8:12:11 PM

I too would love to see congress change hands, we can only hope


Better start praying ;)
 laughingatliberals
Joined: 10/11/2011
Msg: 243
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 6/6/2012 8:28:53 PM

Ahh, no. The Dow went down 500 point in the last week then measily move within less than 100 points for the last two trading days until today when it took a major jump for pretty much the same reason it went down last week...news from Eurozone.


Covered that above even the time zone difference the news of the election came in first and then the Euro news came in.


I understand y'all liberals are in shock and thought all of America had actually bought into your idiocracy.

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You got nothing.


We got the election results and the people of Wisconsin got the Governor they wanted you know the one that cut the budget deficit in half balanced the budget and lowered taxes while also lowering the unemployment rate.

Sorry but the liberals got nothing we got just what we wanted.


I too would love to see congress change hands, we can only hope.


The House is okay but I hope we pick up more seats. The Senate needs a major cleaning we will get to do just that.

The new resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave will be a welcome change too.

I just hope that they have as much backbone as Governor Walker and do the right thing for the country and not the union bosses.
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
Msg: 244
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On Wisconsin.
Posted: 6/6/2012 8:37:50 PM

I wouldn't expect any big changes if MR does get in.
Wall St. is the major contributor for both MR and BO.
Yeah, it's sad.


At this point someone that doesn't say everything sucks all the time would be welcome.
 wisguyingb
Joined: 1/5/2008
Msg: 245
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 6/6/2012 9:01:24 PM
A friend of mine sent me this. It's a video of Liberals holding a Massive ‘Omming’ Ceremony in Madison. Really messed up. Proof that these people are fricking crazy!

3rd video down


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/creepy-liberals-hold-massive-omming-ceremony-against-walker-outside-wi-state-capitol/
 laughingatliberals
Joined: 10/11/2011
Msg: 246
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 6/6/2012 9:09:41 PM

A friend of mine sent me this. It's a video of Liberals holding a Massive ‘Omming’ Ceremony in Madison. Really messed up. Proof that these people are fricking crazy!

3rd video down


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/creepy-liberals-hold-massive-omming-ceremony-against-walker-outside-wi-state-capitol/


Well that is really not surprising these are the same people that expect the government to take care of them. I sure hope they keep the same tactics for the national election in November.
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
Msg: 247
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On Wisconsin.
Posted: 6/6/2012 11:05:14 PM
Somehow the leftists here seem even more peevish and sullen than usual lately. More personal insults, wild exaggeration, barnyard language, and all the other things conservatives expect from them, because we know they don't have much game.

I think it's finally dawning on some of them that their champion is on the ropes. They see that every time his brain trust tries to smear Romney, he gives it right back even harder. And even Maureen Dowd and B.J. Clinton are turning on the Anointed One.

Just wait until a few weeks from now, when the Supreme Court strikes down Obamacare. I want to hear Professor Obama tell us, one more time, how unprecedented it is for the Court to overturn a law that a "democratically elected Congress" (as opposed to the appointed kind?) enacted by a large majority.
 laughingatliberals
Joined: 10/11/2011
Msg: 248
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 6/6/2012 11:44:12 PM

Somehow the leftists here seem even more peevish and sullen than usual lately. More personal insults, wild exaggeration, barnyard language, and all the other things conservatives expect from them, because we know they don't have much game.

I think it's finally dawning on some of them that their champion is on the ropes. They see that every time his brain trust tries to smear Romney, he gives it right back even harder. And even Maureen Dowd and B.J. Clinton are turning on the Anointed One.

Just wait until a few weeks from now, when the Supreme Court strikes down Obamacare. I want to hear Professor Obama tell us, one more time, how unprecedented it is for the Court to overturn a law that a "democratically elected Congress" (as opposed to the appointed kind?) enacted by a large majority.


If you think the SCOTUS decision is going to bother them just wait until the November elections when they loose the Senate and White House.

I can't wait to see the gnashing of teeth.

Funny how intolerant the tolerant are.
 Neopoli
Joined: 3/1/2011
Msg: 249
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 6/7/2012 1:01:31 PM

As far as the fact that the vote was by at least a 7 percentage point seemed to be lost on all of them. Everybody seemed to want to point out that since now there was an even amount in the state senate, there would be gridlock.


...Especially since this is ANOTHER state where Democrats outnumber Republicans. Wisconsin Democrats have an edge of 38% to 34%. Whats up with that?

Again, its the NON LIBERAL voters who united & prevailed in another blue state, rejecting the liberal choice. ....much like what happened in the Democratic West Virginia Primary last month. This almost seems to be a trend, but its not. I am told its only brainwashed dumb-a$$ed racist morons (who cannot think for themselves & who have no business voting) casting an extraordinary number of votes for the wrong guy, ultimately denying the otherwise sensible liberal savoirs of mankind from enlightening us poor wretched non-liberal ignorant souls.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 250
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 3/30/2013 6:08:56 AM

What is happening in Wisconsin is a blueprint for the rest of the nation. Keep your eyes open.

Then it looks like the rest of the nation is also screwed.

Wisconsin drops to 44th in private sector job creation
Posted: Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:33 am | Updated: 12:25 am, Fri Mar 29, 2013.
AP

MADISON — New quarterly figures from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics Thursday showed Wisconsin has dropped to 44th in the nation for creating private sector jobs, a ranking Republicans lawmakers say is deceiving and Democrats contend is the result of Gov. Walker’s failed economic strategy...

Read more about another Walkers fail at: http://www.leadertelegram.com/news/daily_updates/article_3762b9de-97c5-11e2-a5d5-001a4bcf887a.html
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