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 Doremi_Fasolatido
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Paul, you mean that Govt. workers just dictate what wages and conditions they are entitled to? There are no upper mgmt. personell that they negotiate with? No mayors, councilmen, departmental heads who negotiate and authorize it?

I know in my town it's done on a lower mgmt level. Say the police. They negotiate with the chief of police [which here is an elected post] . When a agreement is reached it goes to city council and the mayor for approval, or not. It's a NEGOTIATION process Paul not a DICTATORIAL edict...
 Aries_328
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Posted: 6/6/2012 7:51:42 PM

I know in my town it's done on a lower mgmt level. Say the police. They negotiate with the chief of police [which here is an elected post] . When a agreement is reached it goes to city council and the mayor for approval, or not. It's a NEGOTIATION process Paul not a DICTATORIAL edict...


Well, then you clearly agree. When the people of the state voted it wasn't a dictatorial edict either.
 Doremi_Fasolatido
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Posted: 6/6/2012 7:58:21 PM
True, when the Wisconsinites voted it was our system in action. Unfortunately, it's a system steadily being bought out by corporate interests in hope of squashing unions. It only took 30 million of outside the state funding for this election. Citizens uniteds new slogan.... BUY the people, for the rich.
 laughingatliberals
Joined: 10/11/2011
Msg: 241
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Posted: 6/6/2012 7:58:51 PM

Well, then you clearly agree. When the people of the state voted it wasn't a dictatorial edict either.


They don't see it that way because they disagree with the people that voted Walker in twice.

The thing is they lost twice and they just want to wallow in a pity party.


The people have cast their ballots and have made their choice the question is are they going to accept it and work together for the good of the state or are they going to sabotage the voters?
I feel some would want another recall if they could get it.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 6/6/2012 8:12:11 PM

I too would love to see congress change hands, we can only hope


Better start praying ;)
 laughingatliberals
Joined: 10/11/2011
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Posted: 6/6/2012 8:28:53 PM

Ahh, no. The Dow went down 500 point in the last week then measily move within less than 100 points for the last two trading days until today when it took a major jump for pretty much the same reason it went down last week...news from Eurozone.


Covered that above even the time zone difference the news of the election came in first and then the Euro news came in.


I understand y'all liberals are in shock and thought all of America had actually bought into your idiocracy.

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You got nothing.


We got the election results and the people of Wisconsin got the Governor they wanted you know the one that cut the budget deficit in half balanced the budget and lowered taxes while also lowering the unemployment rate.

Sorry but the liberals got nothing we got just what we wanted.


I too would love to see congress change hands, we can only hope.


The House is okay but I hope we pick up more seats. The Senate needs a major cleaning we will get to do just that.

The new resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave will be a welcome change too.

I just hope that they have as much backbone as Governor Walker and do the right thing for the country and not the union bosses.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 6/6/2012 8:37:50 PM

I wouldn't expect any big changes if MR does get in.
Wall St. is the major contributor for both MR and BO.
Yeah, it's sad.


At this point someone that doesn't say everything sucks all the time would be welcome.
 wisguyingb
Joined: 1/5/2008
Msg: 245
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Posted: 6/6/2012 9:01:24 PM
A friend of mine sent me this. It's a video of Liberals holding a Massive ‘Omming’ Ceremony in Madison. Really messed up. Proof that these people are fricking crazy!

3rd video down


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/creepy-liberals-hold-massive-omming-ceremony-against-walker-outside-wi-state-capitol/
 laughingatliberals
Joined: 10/11/2011
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Posted: 6/6/2012 9:09:41 PM

A friend of mine sent me this. It's a video of Liberals holding a Massive ‘Omming’ Ceremony in Madison. Really messed up. Proof that these people are fricking crazy!

3rd video down


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/creepy-liberals-hold-massive-omming-ceremony-against-walker-outside-wi-state-capitol/


Well that is really not surprising these are the same people that expect the government to take care of them. I sure hope they keep the same tactics for the national election in November.
 matchlight
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Posted: 6/6/2012 11:05:14 PM
Somehow the leftists here seem even more peevish and sullen than usual lately. More personal insults, wild exaggeration, barnyard language, and all the other things conservatives expect from them, because we know they don't have much game.

I think it's finally dawning on some of them that their champion is on the ropes. They see that every time his brain trust tries to smear Romney, he gives it right back even harder. And even Maureen Dowd and B.J. Clinton are turning on the Anointed One.

Just wait until a few weeks from now, when the Supreme Court strikes down Obamacare. I want to hear Professor Obama tell us, one more time, how unprecedented it is for the Court to overturn a law that a "democratically elected Congress" (as opposed to the appointed kind?) enacted by a large majority.
 laughingatliberals
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Posted: 6/6/2012 11:44:12 PM

Somehow the leftists here seem even more peevish and sullen than usual lately. More personal insults, wild exaggeration, barnyard language, and all the other things conservatives expect from them, because we know they don't have much game.

I think it's finally dawning on some of them that their champion is on the ropes. They see that every time his brain trust tries to smear Romney, he gives it right back even harder. And even Maureen Dowd and B.J. Clinton are turning on the Anointed One.

Just wait until a few weeks from now, when the Supreme Court strikes down Obamacare. I want to hear Professor Obama tell us, one more time, how unprecedented it is for the Court to overturn a law that a "democratically elected Congress" (as opposed to the appointed kind?) enacted by a large majority.


If you think the SCOTUS decision is going to bother them just wait until the November elections when they loose the Senate and White House.

I can't wait to see the gnashing of teeth.

Funny how intolerant the tolerant are.
 Neopoli
Joined: 3/1/2011
Msg: 249
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Posted: 6/7/2012 1:01:31 PM

As far as the fact that the vote was by at least a 7 percentage point seemed to be lost on all of them. Everybody seemed to want to point out that since now there was an even amount in the state senate, there would be gridlock.


...Especially since this is ANOTHER state where Democrats outnumber Republicans. Wisconsin Democrats have an edge of 38% to 34%. Whats up with that?

Again, its the NON LIBERAL voters who united & prevailed in another blue state, rejecting the liberal choice. ....much like what happened in the Democratic West Virginia Primary last month. This almost seems to be a trend, but its not. I am told its only brainwashed dumb-a$$ed racist morons (who cannot think for themselves & who have no business voting) casting an extraordinary number of votes for the wrong guy, ultimately denying the otherwise sensible liberal savoirs of mankind from enlightening us poor wretched non-liberal ignorant souls.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
Joined: 12/8/2011
Msg: 250
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Posted: 3/30/2013 6:08:56 AM

What is happening in Wisconsin is a blueprint for the rest of the nation. Keep your eyes open.

Then it looks like the rest of the nation is also screwed.

Wisconsin drops to 44th in private sector job creation
Posted: Thursday, March 28, 2013 11:33 am | Updated: 12:25 am, Fri Mar 29, 2013.
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MADISON — New quarterly figures from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics Thursday showed Wisconsin has dropped to 44th in the nation for creating private sector jobs, a ranking Republicans lawmakers say is deceiving and Democrats contend is the result of Gov. Walker’s failed economic strategy...

Read more about another Walkers fail at: http://www.leadertelegram.com/news/daily_updates/article_3762b9de-97c5-11e2-a5d5-001a4bcf887a.html
 IgorFrankensteen
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Posted: 3/30/2013 8:32:51 AM
I wonder if the problem with Wisconsin Republicans is the same thing plaguing the national party? I.e. that they work so hard on appearing to be staunch anti-liberals, that they forgot how to be real conservatives who understand the basics of capitalism.

Hence they put lots of effort into destroying anything they think liberals like, and fail to do any of the basic logical things that make an economy function well.

And they think their job is done as soon as Democrats are angry, and not when the world of the people they wish to represent, actually improves.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 3/30/2013 12:49:21 PM
^^^ No... It's obviously because the state has given up and gotten drunk
http://www.jsonline.com/features/health/wisconsin-binge-drinking-exacts-68-billion-toll-new-report-says-4194g4u-197362241.html


Excessive alcohol use in binge-drinking Wisconsin costs the state $6.8 billion a year, and taxpayers are picking up more than 40% of the tab, according to a report released Tuesday.


I wonder if anyone has ever studied the effect of lying on economic growth. The acceptance of the lie that everything is going to be okay vs the lie that it's all going to hell in a hand basket.
 IgorFrankensteen
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Posted: 3/30/2013 1:23:09 PM

I wonder if anyone has ever studied the effect of lying on economic growth. The acceptance of the lie that everything is going to be okay vs the lie that it's all going to hell in a hand basket.


Yes, they have, to an extent. I can't cite any particular studies, but I do know from history readings as well as constantly reading the news, that politicians in particular, as well as corporate leaders, know that saying things are going down the crapper make them head that way much faster, and that keeping a cheerful front in the face of bad times tends to reduce negative impacts.

This is specifically why I understood and supported George Bush's staying as positive as he could, in response to the economic mess that started under his watch. I think he led what was among the worst Presidencies we've ever had, but on that count, he behaved correctly.

Now, if you already don't like the President in power, you might be inclined to call "looking for the positives" to be an act of "lying." At the same time, if you support the party IN power, you might claim that all reports that we are on the road to ruin are "lies."

All you really have to do to see this, is watch and listen to stock market reports. Every day, some NEWS or SPEECH is cited as the reason why stocks rose or fell. The actual value of the companies involved don't change that fast, only the perceptions of them do.
 GreenThumbz18
Joined: 4/25/2012
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Posted: 3/30/2013 1:39:02 PM
^^^^^^

"All you really have to do to see this, is watch and listen to stock market reports. Every day, some NEWS or SPEECH is cited as the reason why stocks rose or fell. The actual value of the companies involved don't change that fast, only the perceptions of them do."

A lot of people are mesmerized by the rise of the stock market lately, but when you consider all the Fed's input(funny money) into our economy, I fear that stock market values are the equivalent of an economic Wonder-bra, it looks real good from a distance, but upon close examination there's not much there :(
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
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Posted: 3/30/2013 3:43:32 PM

I fear that stock market values are the equivalent of an economic Wonder-bra, it looks real good from a distance, but upon close examination there's not much there :(


Well, I guess it's way worse than mortgage backed derivatives...I fear the economy is going into the toilet any second now...the sky is falling...it's tax time and I'm paying too much (opps...it's those making more than $400k that got the increase)...it's that Al qaeda operative Obama's fault...Obamacare is going to ruin the country...gays getting married and having the same spousal benefits as me is going to ruin the country...oh where oh where is Sarah Palin whn you need her?
 IgorFrankensteen
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Posted: 3/31/2013 3:55:45 AM
Realize as well, that the Republicans want you to THINK that the federal government is pumping up the economy falsely with huge expenditures, but that is a flat out lie. They have themselves been standing in the way of even the relatively small things that the other side wanted to do along those lines.

I'm actually more concerned myself, that the stock market is being pumped up by the private investors for the wrong reasons. I.e., a repeat of the derivatives mess, wherein playing games with numbers, and using insider trading tricks, allows the big guys to reap huge profits with almost no real general economic gain outside of the trading floor.

What I have known for certain, for a very long time, is that the stock market no longer has any direct bearing on the health of most Americans' economic lives. That link was severed back in the 80's.
 OMG!WTF!
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Posted: 3/31/2013 5:33:57 AM

I fear that stock market values are the equivalent of an economic Wonder-bra, it looks real good from a distance, but upon close examination there's not much there


That's cute. I disagree but very funny.


I'm actually more concerned myself, that the stock market is being pumped up by the private investors for the wrong reasons. I.e., a repeat of the derivatives mess, wherein playing games with numbers, and using insider trading tricks, allows the big guys to reap huge profits with almost no real general economic gain outside of the trading floor.


I think it is being pumped up by "private investors" (not sure what you mean by private investor) for the right reasons. We've had the lowest volatility in the stock market since the early 90's, a certain sign of stability and a lack of huge, manipulated profits for anyone. The reasons the market has been creeping up lately are the following...1) ultra low interest rates due to Federal money creation and bond purchasing. 2) ultra weak job market and high enemployment so corporations spend less on labour and are more profitable. 3) ultra low commodity prices so investors are not seeking their returns in commodities.

Corporate profits are actually higher because of these three things. Low returns in other markets is what drives people to equities but it is certainly not a stampede and can in no way be considered a bubble. When you see an actual economic recovery in the US and the fed stops printing money and interest rates go higher, all the factors that created this stronger stock market will go into reverse and you will see a decline in p/e ratios and lower stock prices. But the economy will be stronger. The investment you will see in the stock market thus becomes speculative, volatility goes up and people can manipulate prices again because there will be more players...sellers...but more action in general than today. Then it becomes possible to bring on the numbers games and trading tricks.
 BigBadNIrish
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Msg: 258
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Posted: 3/31/2013 5:45:12 AM
There is another possible reason for the rise in the American stock markets..and one that has yet to be explored.
And that is, even with the sluggish jobs market and all the other turmoil in America, it remains the most stable economy in the world, and thus, is a safe haven for foriegn investment....



Foreign investment in the U.S. dwarfed American investment abroad by the biggest margin on record for much of last year, leaving the U.S. economy more vulnerable to external shocks but also suggesting the nation remains a magnet for foreign funds after the financial crisis.

America's "international investment position" in 2012—how much the value of foreign investments in the U.S. exceeded U.S. investments abroad—jumped to $4.7 trillion in the second and third quarters of last year before falling to $4.4 trillion by year's end, up from $4.0 trillion at the end of 2011, the Commerce Department said in a report Tuesday that provided quarterly data for the first time.

The $4.7 trillion gap in the second and third quarters was the biggest since the government began tracking the figures in 1976, according to the report.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323466204578384704161999108.html




Of course this has nothing to do with Scott Walkers destruction of the Wisconsin economy.
 HFX_RGB
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Posted: 2/23/2015 9:47:25 AM

Of course this has nothing to do with Scott Walkers destruction of the Wisconsin economy.


Speaking of destroying the ecomony.

While Walker is not busy trying to not offend his base by saying that Obama is a christian he is gutting as much as he can.



Scott Walker's Plans For University Of Wisconsin Are Epically Stupid
Kevin O'Marah Contributor
2/22/2015 @ 11:43AM

Gov. Scott Walker plans to cut $300M from the budget of the University of Wisconsin and, if he has his way, will alter its mission from a “search for truth” to “meeting the state’s workforce needs.” These steps are so fantastically at odds with what the business community, economy and state need from its public university system that no synonym for ‘stupid’ is too strong...


http://www.forbes.com/sites/kevinomarah/2015/02/22/the-epic-stupidity-of-scott-walker/
 HFX_RGB
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 260
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Posted: 3/16/2015 5:51:40 AM
From the GOP fails at Math files:

Scott Walker cut $541 million in taxes last year. Now his state will miss a $108 million debt payment.
By Jeff Guo February 18

To help close the state’s $283 million budget shortfall this year, Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker (R) plans to skip a $108 million debt payment scheduled for May.

Walker, a likely presidential candidate whose campaign message rooted in Wisconsin’s fiscal record, has been struggling to balance the budget in his home state before the June 30 deadline. Pushing off debt payments is one tactic that he and predecessors have used in the past.

By missing the May payment, Walker will incur about $1.1 million in additional interest fees between 2015 and 2017. The $108 million debt will continue to live on the books; Walker’s budget proposal for 2015-2017 will pay down no more than about $18 million of the principal.


Read more at:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2015/02/18/scott-walker-cut-541-million-in-taxes-last-year-now-his-state-will-miss-a-108-million-debt-payment/
 LOLTrump
Joined: 3/7/2017
Msg: 261
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Posted: 8/1/2017 9:02:57 AM
More great news out of Wisconsin.

Anyone remember when Walker said this:

"The protection of big business remains a common thread in Mr Obama’s policies, which have come at the expense of the consumer, the taxpayer and the entrepreneur. A growing coalition of reformers — rooted in citizen movements across the political spectrum — reject this pernicious crony capitalism. Our solutions promote an opportunity society, one that is rooted in the US commitment to free enterprise"


Well I hope you are sitting down, because he just announced a 3 billion dollar giveaway that will will mean a foreign companies payroll well be essentially paid by Wisconsin taxpayers, while the profits go to Taiwanese taxpayers at the behest of politicians who cast themselves as champions of the free market.

Oh and if you wondering how did he respond to questions from the press about this, you would have forgotten this is a conservative and as such, they do not take questions when they are acting like hypocrites.




Scott Walker’s $3 billion fraud
A self-proclaimed champion of the free market pushes a breathtaking giveaway to a foreign company.
Judd Legum
Editor-In-Chief, ThinkProgress
Jul 31

When Scott Walker announced his candidacy for the President of the United States on July 13, 2015, he sent an email to supporters explaining why he was running for the Republican nomination.

“I’m a conservative because I believe in a smaller government, lower taxes and a free market,” Walker wrote.

744 days later, sharing a stage with Donald Trump, the man who defeated him, Walker announced he was giving $3 billion in taxpayer money to a Taiwanese electronics manufacturer, Foxconn. The company is best known for making component parts for the iPhone and other Apple products. The stunning deal is 50 times larger than any previous public incentive package.


Read more about goverment picking winners and losers at:
https://thinkprogress.org/scott-walkers-3-billion-fraud-a03f181105ec
 gtomustang
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 262
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Posted: 8/1/2017 2:03:05 PM
and yet jerkoff trump supporters will say the GOP is good for jobs, the Dems who saved General Motors when Romney wanted it dead, are bad for jobs. Oh well, can't fix stupid, esp. the ones who just can't admit the black man did any good. better to have the angry white man make chaos, at least he tells the cops its ok to be rough.

Gee, why give money to an Asian company when there was the TPP deal...oh, yeah, that's right. The Dealmeister gave that one away so the Pacific Rim is free to make any deal it wants, and hold us hostage. Boy, aren't the Midwesterns so glad they went Chump.
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