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 Earthpuppy
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On Wisconsin.Page 2 of 13    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13)
Koch puppet Walker got punked today by a Buffalo Blog. He showed his arrogance and his dishonesty in full bloom during the interview.
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/02/scott-walker-koch-brother-crank-call-wisconsin

Koch/Walker has already gotten the concessions from the unions on pay. He admitted that this was all about union busting and considers himself ground zero in the union busting scheme of the Koch Bros.

Meanwhile, back at the Republican News Network, they reversed actual poll results to suggest that the majority of Americans are with Koch/Walker.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/?p=1908

Speaking of LIARS, Koch/Walker also claimed that this union busting plan was part of his campaign for Governor and that the public knew this. Blatantly false.
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/feb/22/scott-walker/wisconsin-gov-scott-walker-says-he-campaigned-his-/
 FrankNStein902
Joined: 12/26/2009
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On Wisconsin.
Posted: 2/23/2011 3:51:48 PM

Koch puppet Walker got punked today by a Buffalo Blog. He showed his arrogance and his dishonesty in full bloom during the interview.
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2011/02/scott-walker-koch-brother-crank-call-wisconsin

Koch/Walker has already gotten the concessions from the unions on pay. He admitted that this was all about union busting and considers himself ground zero in the union busting scheme of the Koch Bros.

So I guess this confirms not only is Walker a Teabagger but also a Koch sucker.
 Twilightslove
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Posted: 2/25/2011 7:56:32 AM
While the country is focused on Wisconsin and their unions Texas is hidden from view. A state not known for its approval of unions, one heavily invested in big business, and lacking in meeting the health care needs of its citizens has a deficit.


There's One Huge State Budget Crisis That Everyone Is Refusing To Talk About

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#15 Colorado #14 Virginia #13 North Carolina #12 Arizona #11 Oregon #10 Louisiana #9 Connecticut #8 Texas #7 Minnesota #5 South Carolina #4 Mississippi #6 California #3 New Jersey #2 Illinois #1 Nevada Now see why they're all broke...



You know the story and you know the names: states like Illinois, New Jersey, New York, and California are supposed to be in huge financial trouble thanks to bloated governments, business-unfriendly regulations, and strong public sector unions.

After a crisis-free 2010, investors are expected to punish these hotbeds of bad governance in a muni bond market rout, at least if pundits like Meredith Whitney are correct.

But there's one state, which is fairly high up on the list of troubled states that nobody is talking about, and there's a reason for it.

The state is Texas.

This month the state's part-time legislature goes back into session, and the state is starting at potentially a $25 billion deficit on a two-year budget of around $95 billion. That's enormous. And there's not much fat to cut. The whole budget is basically education and healthcare spending. Cutting everything else wouldn't do the trick. And though raising this kind of money would be easy on an economy of $1.2 trillion, the new GOP mega-majority in Congress is firmly against raising any revenue.

So the bi-ennial legislature, which convenes this month, faces some hard cuts. Some in the Texas GDP have advocated dropping Medicaid altogether to save money.

So why haven't we heard more about Texas, one of the most important economy's in America? Well, it's because it doesn't fit the script. It's a pro-business, lean-spending, no-union state. You can't fit it into a nice storyline, so it's ignored.

But if you want to make comparisons between US states and ailing European countries, think of Texas as being like America's Ireland. Ireland was once praised as a model for economic growth: conservatives loved it for its pro-business, anti-tax, low-spending strategy, and hailed it as the way forward for all of Europe. Then it blew up.

This is the sleeper state budget crisis of 2011, and it will be praised for doing great, right up until the moment before it blows up.

(Disclosure: The author went to UT-Austin, and goes back there a few times per year.)
Click here to see the biggest state gaps >

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/texas-state-budget-crisis-2011-1#ixzz1EzDQlVHo
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 2/25/2011 1:14:25 PM
More mythology/lies of the Wisconsin Repubs exposed.
http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2011/02/25/the-wisconsin-lie-exposed-taxpayers-actually-contribute-nothing-to-public-employee-pensions/
 arwen52
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Posted: 2/25/2011 10:19:56 PM

I'm not saying that unions are all bad. There was a time that they saved the working man from horrible working conditions. But, with all the regulation in place now regarding safety in the workplace, do they still serve the same purpose? Do union workers have it better than non-union workers in like capacities?

And exactly how do you think we got those safety regulations? Corporate America enacted them out of the goodness of their heart? No, dear, it was unions.

Unions brought us the 40 hour work week, paid vacations, job provided health insurance, pensions, minimum wage, child labor laws, safety regulations. With the decline of unions we are seeing are seeing all those things disappear. In Missouri, one of our Republican legislators just introduced legislation to repeal the child labor laws.

http://tinyurl.com/4qrbosx
SB 222 introduced by Rep. Jane Cunningham (R)
"SB 222 – This act modifies the child labor laws. It eliminates the prohibition on employment of children under age fourteen. Restrictions on the number of hours and restrictions on when a child may work during the day are also removed. It also repeals the requirement that a child ages fourteen or fifteen obtain a work certificate or work permit in order to be employed. Children under sixteen will also be allowed to work in any capacity in a motel, resort or hotel where sleeping accommodations are furnished. It also removes the authority of the director of the Division of Labor Standards to inspect employers who employ children and to require them to keep certain records for children they employ. It also repeals the presumption that the presence of a child in a workplace is evidence of employment."



Governor Scott Walker admits in a phone conversation he's trying to start a revolution that will spread to other states:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/41747739#41747739
 Casper66
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Posted: 2/25/2011 11:48:22 PM
Well it looks like it has passed the first hurdle, even with the leak of that phone call, it's really getting scary in the US these days.
 trinity818
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Posted: 2/26/2011 5:05:38 AM
And exactly how do you think we got those safety regulations?

I'm not disputing that in the least. In fact I stated:
There was a time that they saved the working man from horrible working conditions


Although this below is irrelevant to this thread:
The whole budget is basically education and healthcare spending

And why do you think that is?
 Twilightslove
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Posted: 2/26/2011 5:46:00 AM
Although this below is irrelevant to this thread:

The whole budget is basically education and healthcare spending


And why do you think that is?


I don't see it as irrelevant to this thread considering that the states want to cut health care and education spending. In order to do so, they have to disarm the unions ability to fight the initiative. Even though increasing revenue is more productive when the economy is failing they continue to try to cut budgets instead.



An Update on State Budget Cuts
At Least 46 States Have Imposed Cuts That Hurt Vulnerable Residents and the Economy

These budget pressures have not abated. Because unemployment rates remain high — and are projected to stay high well into next year — revenues are likely to remain at or near their current depressed levels. This has caused a new round of cuts. Based on gloomy revenue projections, legislatures and governors have enacted budgets for the 2011 fiscal year (which began on July 1, 2010 in most states). In many states these budgets contain cuts that go even further than those enacted over the past two fiscal years.

Cuts to state services not only harm vulnerable residents but also worsen the recession — and dampen the recovery — by reducing overall economic activity. When states cut spending, they lay off employees, cancel contracts with vendors, reduce payments to businesses and nonprofits that provide services, and cut benefit payments to individuals. All of these steps remove demand from the economy. For instance, at least 44 states and the District of Columbia have reduced overall wages paid to state workers by laying off workers, requiring them to take unpaid leave (furloughs), freezing new hires, or similar actions. State and local governments have eliminated over 400,000 jobs since August 2008, federal data show. Such measures are reducing not only the level and quality of services available to state residents but also the purchasing power of workers’ families, which in turn affects local businesses and slows recovery.

States are taking actions to mitigate the extent of these cuts. Since the recession began, over 30 states have addressed their budget shortfalls in part by increasing taxes. Like budget cuts, tax increases remove demand from the economy by reducing the amount of money people have to spend. But tax increases can be less detrimental to state economies than budget cuts because some of the tax increases affect upper-income households, so are likely to result in reduced saving rather than reduced consumption. Many more states will need to consider tax increases or other revenue measures, as well as such steps as tapping remaining state rainy day funds, as a way to minimize harmful budget cuts.

The cuts thus far in state-funded services — and the resulting harm to families’ well-being and to state economies — would have been much greater without federal assistance. The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act provided roughly $140 billion over two and a half years in the form of enhanced Medicaid funding and funding to pay for education, public safety and other services. In addition, H.R. 1586 — the August 2010 jobs bill — extended enhanced Medicaid funding through June 2011 and added $10 billion in additional education funding.

In some cases, it is possible to identify specific services that were slated for cuts but that have been protected in whole or in part by the federal funds; these include child care in Alabama and Arizona, public safety funding in Washington, prescription drugs for seniors and tuition assistance in New York, and education funding in a number of states. The Department of Education found that in an average quarter through June 30, the State Fiscal Stabilization Fund in the Recovery Act funded 266,000 education jobs and 49,000 jobs in other areas, for a total of 315,000 jobs.[1]

In other cases, it is impossible to know what would have happened if states had not received the federal funds. But it is indisputable that families and communities would be facing much more serious consequences from state cuts.

Federal aid to states, however, is scheduled to expire well before state budgets have recovered. Additional funding for Medicaid is set to end at the end of June 2011, the close of most states’ 2011 fiscal year. States will have used up much of their additional federal funding for education at that point also. But the latest available data show state revenues still far below pre-recession levels, resulting in significant state budget shortfalls that will persist into fiscal year 2012 and beyond. Indeed, historical experience and current economic projections suggest that due to declining federal assistance, fiscal year 2012 will be a more difficult budget year for states than any year to date, meaning that state budget cuts could deepen even further, causing deeper private-sector and public-sector job loss.

One way to mitigate the need for additional state spending cuts and protect the economy would be for the federal government to reduce state budget gaps by extending enhanced Medicaid funds over the period that states are expected to experience budget problems rather than cutting enhanced funding off in June 2011. At the very least, the federal government should not take any actions that make states’ budget situations worse. Certain federal tax reductions, for example, could also reduce state revenues, exacerbating state budget problems and slowing the economic recovery. Cuts to federal “domestic discretionary” spending also would worsen state budget problems and lead to job loss, since a large share of that spending takes the form of grants to states.

Whatever actions the federal government takes, states themselves can and should act to lessen the need for harmful cuts. They can do so by implementing a balanced approach to addressing their budget shortfalls, one that includes revenues rather than just ever deepening reductions in services.
For the entire article go here: http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=1214
 trinity818
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Posted: 2/26/2011 5:51:41 AM
the states want to cut health care and education spending.


Texas is a border state with a lot of illegal immigration problems. The cost of providing free health care & education to them is quite expensive.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-01-21-immigrant-healthcare_N.htm

•In Texas, where the state comptroller estimates illegal immigrants cost hospitals $1.3 billion in 2006, the University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston is considering denying cancer care to such immigrants.

still....irrelevant to this thread
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 2/26/2011 6:00:06 AM
This is still a time when Unions save people from horrible working conditions.
The Massey Mine criminal act of killing 29, was a direct result of Union busting and lack of whistleblower protections for employees who saw unsafe conditions.
Three attempts were made to Unionize the Big Branch Mine in the 90s. After the last attempt, bonuses were cut in half and hours increased by 50%. There were hundreds of violations on record prior to the disaster, violations that would have been challenged by a strong Union.

Contrary to the Koch Brothers/Walker party line, Wisconsin's public employees pay their way for their insurance and pensions. This is nothing less than class warfare with the rich intent on destroying the working classes. It is not until we reach the $90.000/year and above class that support for union busting gains more support than opposition. 61% of those below that threshhold oppose union busting.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2011/02/public_employees_not_such_an_e.html
This one has links to bargaining agreements.
http://tax.com/taxcom/taxblog.nsf/Permalink/UBEN-8EDJYS?OpenDocument
 Twilightslove
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Posted: 2/26/2011 6:02:50 AM
Wisconsin is using unions as their reasoning for their deficit. Texas, a very anti-union, pro-business, pro tax cuts for the wealthiest, has a deficit and no one wants to talk about that. It makes states like Wisconsin seem like they don't know what they are talking about when they accuse unions of being the problem. It is relevant to this discussion.
 FrankNStein902
Joined: 12/26/2009
Msg: 37
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Posted: 2/28/2011 8:30:28 AM

As events play out in Wisconsin, the far right tries to paint this as some sort of fiscal/budget issue, or that this is part of a larger global scheme of liberals and muslims lining up to destroy life as we know it, or that the Anti-Christ is in Madison, just because workers are trying to retain their rights for collective bargaining.

So while the middle class continues to have their standard of living reduced the companies of America continue to not pay their fair share.


...Indeed, as politicians are asking ordinary Americans to sacrifice their education, their health, their labor rights, and their wellbeing to tackle budget deficits, some of the world’s richest multinational corporations are getting away with shirking their responsibility and paying nothing. ThinkProgress has assembled a short but far from comprehensive list of these tax dodgers — corporations which have rigged the tax system to their advantage so they can reap huge profits and avoid paying taxes:

- BANK OF AMERICA: In 2009, Bank of America didn’t pay a single penny in federal income taxes, exploiting the tax code so as to avoid paying its fair share. “Oh, yeah, this happens all the time,” said Robert Willens, a tax accounting expert interviewed by McClatchy. “If you go out and try to make money and you don’t do it, why should the government pay you for your losses?” asked Bob McIntyre of Citizens for Tax Justice. The same year, the mega-bank’s top executives received pay “ranging from $6 million to nearly $30 million.”

- BOEING: Despite receiving billions of dollars from the federal government every single year in taxpayer subsidies from the U.S. government, Boeing didn’t “pay a dime of U.S. federal corporate income taxes” between 2008 and 2010.

- CITIGROUP: Citigroup’s deferred income taxes for the third quarter of 2010 amounted to a grand total of $0.00. At the same time, Citigroup has continued to pay its staff lavishly. “John Havens, the head of Citigroup’s investment bank, is expected to be the bank’s highest paid executive for the second year in a row, with a compensation package worth $9.5 million.”

- EXXON-MOBIL: The oil giant uses offshore subsidiaries in the Caribbean to avoid paying taxes in the United States. Although Exxon-Mobil paid $15 billion in taxes in 2009, not a penny of those taxes went to the American Treasury. This was the same year that the company overtook Wal-Mart in the Fortune 500. Meanwhile the total compensation of Exxon-Mobil’s CEO the same year was over $29,000,000.

- GENERAL ELECTRIC: In 2009, General Electric — the world’s largest corporation — filed more than 7,000 tax returns and still paid nothing to U.S. government. They managed to do this by a tax code that essentially subsidizes companies for losing profits and allows them to set up tax havens overseas. That same year GE CEO Jeffery Immelt — who recently scored a spot on a White House economic advisory board — “earned total compensation of $9.89 million.” In 2002, Immelt displayed his lack of economic patriotism, saying, “When I am talking to GE managers, I talk China, China, China, China, China….I am a nut on China. Outsourcing from China is going to grow to 5 billion.”

- WELLS FARGO: Despite being the fourth largest bank in the country, Wells Fargo was able to escape paying federal taxes by writing all of its losses off after its acquisition of Wachovia. Yet in 2009 the chief executive of Wells Fargo also saw his compensation “more than double” as he earned “a salary of $5.6 million paid in cash and stock and stock awards of more than $13 million.”

In the coming months, politicians across the country are going to tell Americans that the only way to stave off huge deficit and balance the budgets is by gutting programs for the poor, eviscerating support for the middle class, eliminating labor rights, and decimating the government’s ability to serve the public interest. This is a lie. The United States is the richest country in the history of the world, and income inequality is higher now than it has been at any time since the 1920′s, with the top “top 1 percentile of households [taking] home 23.5 percent of income in 2007.”

It is simply unfair for Main Street Americans who’ve already been battered by one of the worst economic crises in our history to have to continue to sacrifice while the rich and well-connected continue to rip off taxpayers and avoid paying their fair share. That’s why a Main Street Movement consisting of Americans who are fed up with the status quo is rocking the nation, and one of its first targets should be tax dodgers like Bank of America and Boeing.

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/02/26/main-street-tax-cheats/
 Gwendolyn2010
Joined: 1/22/2006
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Posted: 2/28/2011 9:26:25 PM
When my mother was a small child during the Great Depression, her family planned to go to California from Oklahoma to pick fruit, but they only got as far as New Mexico. In retrospect, I guess they were the lucky ones.

Steinbeck's novel The Grapes of Wrath may be a fictionalization, but it isn't fiction: it is based on what happened to Okies (from more than just Oklahoma) who went West, lured by promises of jobs. When they got there, they found out that the promises evaporated because there was no union to back them up. The wages shrank day by day, and people who had no place to go took what they could get.

In the 1960s, my father and his peers went on strike for three months in order to get a living wage and health benefits. I still remember it--it was not a happy time, but they stuck it out and ultimately, their strike was worth it.

Unions have gotten fat, no doubt, and some people are protected by unions when in reality, they should be booted out of the job, regardless of what the job is, but without them, we are at the mercy of the MAN. Corporations who are not unionized do not pay competitive wages out of the goodness of their hearts: they do it because of unionized workplaces.

Get rid of unions and then bargain for a raise.

I worked at Walmart for two years, and I would LOVE to see the workers unionize. The Walton family has gotten rich off the backs of their "associates." The upper echelon continues to bloat while the cashier is underpaid and is cheated out of benefits by loopholes, i.e. working full-time for Walmart is 28 hours a week--not unless they have changed their policies since I worked there.

Younger generations don't know what it was like "back then," just like younger women also don't have a clue what it was like to live in times when women had few rights. People are in for a hard lesson.

Alas, Babylon.
 Stray__Cat
Joined: 7/12/2006
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Posted: 3/1/2011 9:46:47 PM
Younger workers are finding out.

What really cheezes me off about Wisconsin and the possible govt shutdown in DC
is right wingers claim we had money for tax breaks.
and ONLY after those pass do they claim we're broke.

cause and effect.

Tax breaks for the rich.
Then cut everything else for everyone else to pay for em.

We need a Mubarak moment here in the USA.
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 3/2/2011 5:47:23 AM
Koch News is desperately trying to paint the Wisconsin protests as violent and full of outside agitators. Please note...there are no palm trees in Wisconsin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RClJ6vK9x_4
 Stray__Cat
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Posted: 3/2/2011 5:19:18 PM
^^^^
Also Fox(fake) News has segments where "regular" folks were saying how the protesters
are aggressive, violent, and whatever. A clever blogger looked up those "regular" folks and discovered they are all Republican office holders in Wisconsin.
 trinity818
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Posted: 3/3/2011 3:39:31 PM
Here is a link to politifact's response to this:
"It has taken hold with conviction: the idea that Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker ginned up a phony budget crisis to justify his bold bid to strip state employees of most bargaining rights and cut their benefits."


http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/feb/18/rachel-maddow/rachel-maddow-says-wisconsin-track-have-budget-sur/
 4rumninja
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Posted: 3/4/2011 4:37:32 AM

Our conclusion: Maddow and the others are wrong.There is, indeed, a projected deficit that required attention, and Walker and GOP lawmakers did not create it.


We rate Maddow’s take False.
Nice to see that Falsehoods are spewed by the Left as well and that someone had the guts to prove it.
 trinity818
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Posted: 3/4/2011 5:43:00 AM
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2011/feb/25/responding-rachel-maddow/

Maddow's criticism in Thursday's show used artful editing and told an incomplete story. At issue is whether we checked the right factual claim. We examined her statement that Wisconsin "is on track to have a budget surplus this year." But she maintains that in the same segment, she made clear that she knew the state had a shortfall. (You can read a transcript of the entire segment here.)

We chose to examine her surplus claim because we had requests from many readers and it was the main focus at the beginning of her segment. It went on for nearly a minute. Her later statement about the shortfall was very brief and her main point seemed to be that the shortfall was created by $140 million in tax breaks for businesses. Still, we acknowledged in our article that she made that point.

In her criticism of PolitiFact Thursday night, Maddow misled viewers by repeatedly playing just a nine-word snippet of her saying that "There is in fact a $137 million budget shortfall." She neglected to include her full quote in context:

"There is in fact a $137 million budget shortfall. Republican Gov. Scott Walker, coincidentally, has given away $140 million worth of business tax breaks since he came into office. Hey, wait. That's about exactly the size of the shortfall."


That artful editing -- plus the fact that she didn't mention the more lengthy quote that we checked -- deprived viewers of the full context for her remarks and our reasoning for checking the claim we checked. We not only examined that claim, we also debunked the suggestion from Maddow and others that the tax breaks were the cause of the $137 million shortfall.
 arwen52
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Posted: 3/4/2011 6:33:05 PM

Unions have gotten fat,

And how do you figure that when the percentage of union workers in the U.S. continues to shrink?


no doubt, and some people are protected by unions when in reality, they should be booted out of the job

which never happens in non-union jobs - no favoritism, nepotism, discrimination, no incompetent CEOs who drive large corporations to bankruptcy getting huge salaries, no corrupt Wall Street broker and bankers making millions while creating misery for thousands of people . . .


Corporations who are not unionized do not pay competitive wages out of the goodness of their hearts: they do it because of unionized workplaces.

Unions have set the standard. And as they have declined over the last 30 years, so have benefits, job stability, pensions, the 40 hour work week, etc.


Get rid of unions and then bargain for a raise.

Yep. Try it and see how far you get.


I worked at Walmart for two years, and I would LOVE to see the workers unionize. The Walton family has gotten rich off the backs of their "associates." The upper echelon continues to bloat while the cashier is underpaid and is cheated out of benefits by loopholes, i.e. working full-time for Walmart is 28 hours a week--not unless they have changed their policies since I worked there.

A WalMart store in Canada voted to join a union and WalMart shut the store down rather than allow the workers to organize.


Younger generations don't know what it was like "back then," just like younger women also don't have a clue what it was like to live in times when women had few rights. People are in for a hard lesson.

Yes. A few days ago, a 35 year old woman newly hired to a job for which she had no prior experience told me she was really upset that she would not qualify for a vacation until she had worked there for a year. She was outraged. She did not know this is normal business practice. People like to say, well, the unions were needed then but we don't need them any more. Ha. So, while some people are losing their jobs and benefits, others are being made to work way over 40 hours with no overtime because they are "salaried" rather than paid an hourly wage.

And you are right - WalMart continues to hire people for less than full time so they don't have to pay benefits. In addition, they keep changing people's schedules so that they can't find another part time job to supplement because they don't have fixed hours.

My friend's nephew went off to college and got a part time job at WalMart. He was hired with the understanding he would only work evenings and weekends because he had classes during the week. After two weeks, he came to work and found they'd scheduled him to work week day daytime. He told the manager there was a mistake and the manager told him there was no mistake. With absolutely no trace of irony, he said to the lad, "Look, you're going to have to make a decision: do you want to go to college or do you want to go to WalMart?"


 BalderDog2
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Msg: 46
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Posted: 3/4/2011 8:15:56 PM

others are being made to work way over 40 hours with no overtime because they are "salaried" rather than paid an hourly wage.


Something that is becoming more common these days is companies turning their employees into sub-contractors. This way, along with eliminating all benefits, the company no longer has to match the employee's social security and medicare payments, carry any insurance for if the employee gets hurt on the job, purchase job-related uniforms, give required lunch breaks, and so on and so on.

Incredible that so many people have been duped by the likes of Fox News and Talk Radio to advocate for economic principles that are against their own best interests.
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 3/5/2011 5:46:28 AM
The really odd thing about all this, is how so many taxpayers can be manipulated to believe that the wealthiest should not have to pay their fair share, and despite record profits, corporations must be given a break on the backs of the working classes. People still believe that being trickled down upon does not smell like urine.




http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2011/03/03/six-report-dodgers/
As the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities found, “corporate tax revenues are now at historical lows as a share of the economy.”

Of course, corporations could not get away with this behavior if policymakers actually set and enforced rules that prevented it. But conservatives in Congress have gone to great lengths to allow tax avoidance to continue. Here are six ways in which conservatives aid and abet corporate tax avoidance:

– PROTECTING OFFSHORE DEFERRAL: The Obama administration and Senate Democrats last year proposed ending the practice of allowing corporations to claim domestic tax credits for profits they earn overseas while deferring tax payments on those profits. Republicans blocked the bill in the Senate. Corporations use offshore deferral to lower their effective tax rate by 20 points or more.

– SLASHING THE IRS BUDGET: In their proposed spending plan for the rest of the fiscal year, House Republicans suggested cutting the Internal Revenue Services’s budget by $600 million, even though “every dollar the Internal Revenue Service spends for audits, liens and seizing property from tax cheats brings in more than $10.” IRS Commissioner Doug Shulman said that a $600 million cut in this year’s budget “would result in the IRS collecting $4 billion less” through tax enforcement programs.

– PUSHING FREE TRADE WITH TAX HAVENS: Republicans in Congress have been pushing for rapid, uncritical ratifying of a free-trade pact with Panama, even though Panama has a notorious reputation as a tax haven. Before advancing the agreement, the Obama administration is pushing for “implementation of a tax information exchange agreement the two countries signed last year to address tax haven concerns.”

– ENACTING REPATRIATION HOLIDAYS: When corporations bring money they earn overseas back to the United States, they are required to pay the full statutory corporate tax rate. But in 2005, they were allowed to bring money back at a drastically lower rate (delivering a windfall to executives and none of the expected economic benefits). Both Republicans in Congress and conservative activists are pushing for yet another repatriation holiday.

– ENDORSING TAXPAYER GIVEAWAYS: House Republicans (joined by 13 Democrats) voted unanimously this week to preserve big oil subsidies worth billions of dollars a year, even as Big Oil companies continue to reap record profits. In fact, Republicans have continually protected billions in annual giveaways to Big Oil, allowing those corporate giants to pay nothing into the federal treasury.

– PUBLICLY DEFENDING THE DODGERS: Both House Ways and Means Chairman Dave Camp (R-MI) and Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-TX) have said that widespread corporate tax evasion is a good reason to lower the statutory corporate tax rate. When asked by ThinkProgress if it was fair that Bank of America pays no federal corporate taxes, former governor and 2012 GOP presidential contender Tim Pawlenty replied “the corporate tax rate in America is too high.”
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 48
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 3/5/2011 7:37:20 AM
We've seen the middle part of the country vote against their economic well being in favor of "family values"...emoting visions of the foot wiggle signal...we've lost the industrial heartland of the country....sending steel production, fabrications, and manufacturing jobs overseas...we've outsourced technical jobs...there are so few customer service jobs that actually exist in the country their customers come from.

I do not see why politicians do not understand that the corporate CEO mantra is profit...profit for me...and the avenue to profit is thru globalization of the economy....outsource any job that can be done in the third world...at the expense of an American job...globalization of the world economy, to me, means reducing my economy and raising that of someone in a third world economy.

There was a time when an employer had loyalty to an employee...and visa versa...I wonder how many fortune 500 CEO's have 30 years in their company...

Unfortunately, in the hayday of Unions came protections for the slovenly employee...I fault not the union for this...I fault the employer for not working within the system...counseling the employee...progressively discipling the employee...and eventually firing the employee who did not perform...this system was too...boohoo...hard for the employer...it forced them to actually supervise the employee.

Along with these haydays for unions came workplace safety, 40 hour work weeks, manditory breaks, paid vacations, and so on....I'm here to tell you...since my union was decertified...real wages have gone down...what used to be employer responsibility is now mine...I have to pay for my office seat...employee liability insurance is now my responsibility...It now cost an employee in my position $5K to be an employee...and that has nothing to do with health insurance cost.

So, Wisconsin republicans and 37% of the country think that busting the Wisconsin public employee unions will be good???

I say...get rid of government, the military, entitlement programs, stop paying taxes, and let the bystards fend for themselves.
 IgorFrankensteen
Joined: 6/29/2009
Msg: 49
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On Wisconsin.
Posted: 3/6/2011 7:46:48 AM
"But, with all the regulation in place now regarding safety in the workplace, do they still serve the same purpose?"

This is a mistake in thinking. Specifically, it's identical to thinking we don't need a standing army, because no one has invaded us lately. The reason many if no t most of the safety regulations, and other protections exist, is because unions, and fear of unions put them there. As I mentioned elsewhere, things that have been given, can be taken away, and I have seen first hand that they WILL be taken away, if it's seen that they can be, without cost.
Many of the folks who are pushing for reduced government regulation of business, mean no harm at all. But many of them are so naive, so uninformed, that they genuinely believe that WITHOUT regulation, that business leaders will STILL choose safety over profit. We've already seen that when the going gets tough for employers, that all talk of employees being their "most valuable asset" is the FIRST thing to go out the door. I've seen many times, again first hand, that while they have their eyes focused hard ion a shrinking bottom line, that MOST employers will look for employees to take risks, including with their own safety. It isn't necessarily willful, evil intent on their parts, it's the same thing that blinds any worried person to risk.
The reason we need balancing forces in our lives, including unions, is the same reason why Communism fails: people are far from perfect. Even the best of us need to be told to behave well, when things get rough.
 Dancing_4_You
Joined: 1/21/2006
Msg: 50
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History
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 3/7/2011 3:03:17 AM
I have watched corporate execs and union leaders wine and dine together when i worked my old power job. Until the rank and file stands up to be heard against these combined liasons, it is all a lot of bull.

I do believe some govt. union contracts are way too fat and protect incompetent workers, having had to deal with the social services bureaucracy as a child advocate. But, these fat deals were made arm in arm with the powers to be.

So, rank and file stand up and be counted--but, in the case of teaching and social services, we must not protect incompetent workers, just because they are in a union. Very tricky situation. But, surely there is a rationale fix to it and therefore it will not be done. Politics is not rationale and lately it is quite deadly. We are clearly becoming a third world country. But, don't worry because as legalized pot becomes our foremost product in order to collect more taxes, our populace will be too stoned and too drunk to give a rat's butt! Look at the third world countries! What are their most successful products? Human nature, sloth and greed are the decline of this country, no matter whether you are democrat or republican, a corporate exec or a union leader! Grrrrr.........
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