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Joined: 12/26/2009
Msg: 76
On Wisconsin.Page 4 of 13    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13)
So maybe it not just about union busting and offering up public assets to a private corporation with no bids needed....

Walker And Prosser Crushed Regulations On Koch Industry’s Phosphorus Pollution In Wisconsin

Shortly after helping to elect Gov. Scott Walker (R-WI), Koch Industries opened a new lobbying office in Madison near the state capitol. However, little has been disclosed about the Koch lobbying agenda in Madison. The New York Times reported that Koch political operatives privately pressured Walker to crush public employee unions. But Walker’s major payback to Koch relates to environmental deregulation.

ThinkProgress has learned that the Walker administration, along with state Supreme Court judge David Prosser, has quietly worked to allow Koch’s many Georgia Pacific paper plants to pollute Wisconsin by pouring thousands of pounds of phosphorus into the water....

Rewriting Environmental Regulations For Koch:
Last year, the Wisconsin Natural Resources Board called for strict numeric limits on phosphorus pollution. The regulations, which were supposed to be implemented in January, were delayed by Walker’s administration. Hidden inside his infamous budget bill passed in March, Walker then inserted a provision to revise and reduce the phosphorus limits proposed by the Natural Resources Board. Walker’s budget bill was rushed through the legislative process without public hearings.

Ruling In Favor Of Koch And Other Polluters:
In March, the Wisconsin Supreme Court, with Justice David Prosser voting with the majority, overturned the lower court decision allowing a public challenge to the permit giving Koch’s Georgia Pacific plants more leeway in dumping phosphorus into waterways.

Delaying Environmental Regulations For Koch:
Earlier this month, the Walker administration announced a two year delay of all phosphorus regulations passed last year. Not only has Walker’s administration called for reduced phosphorus dumping rules, they now have made it clear that no rules will be implemented until 2013.

During this three month period of Koch-enriching policy and legal action, the Koch political largesse has flowed to both Walker and Prosser. The Koch political machine spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in ads supporting Walker during the budget showdown, organized pro-Walker Tea Party rallies, and mobilized a pro-Walker bus tour. During his recent reelection campaign, Prosser too was boosted by two Koch-linked groups, Citizens for a Strong America and Wisconsin Manufacturers & Commerce, which ran about $1 million in advertising. A top Georgia Pacific executive overseeing plants responsible for dumping phosphorus in the Fox River sits on the board of the pro-Posser group, Wisconsin Manufacturers & Commerce.
Joined: 12/9/2008
Msg: 77
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On Wisconsin.
Posted: 4/16/2011 5:14:00 PM
The reasoning behind these attacks on Teacher's Unions are so much more than simply denying workers the right to collectively bargain.

Published on Monday, April 11, 2011 by
Why the United States Is Destroying Its Education System
by Chris Hedges

A nation that destroys its systems of education, degrades its public information, guts its public libraries and turns its airwaves into vehicles for cheap, mindless amusement becomes deaf, dumb and blind. It prizes test scores above critical thinking and literacy. It celebrates rote vocational training and the singular, amoral skill of making money. It churns out stunted human products, lacking the capacity and vocabulary to challenge the assumptions and structures of the corporate state. It funnels them into a caste system of drones and systems managers. It transforms a democratic state into a feudal system of corporate masters and serfs.

Teachers, their unions under attack, are becoming as replaceable as minimum-wage employees at Burger King. We spurn real teachers—those with the capacity to inspire children to think, those who help the young discover their gifts and potential—and replace them with instructors who teach to narrow, standardized tests. These instructors obey. They teach children to obey. And that is the point. The No Child Left Behind program, modeled on the “Texas Miracle,” is a fraud. It worked no better than our deregulated financial system. But when you shut out debate these dead ideas are self-perpetuating.

Passing bubble tests celebrates and rewards a peculiar form of analytical intelligence. This kind of intelligence is prized by money managers and corporations. They don’t want employees to ask uncomfortable questions or examine existing structures and assumptions. They want them to serve the system. These tests produce men and women who are just literate and numerate enough to perform basic functions and service jobs. The tests elevate those with the financial means to prepare for them. They reward those who obey the rules, memorize the formulas and pay deference to authority. Rebels, artists, independent thinkers, eccentrics and iconoclasts—those who march to the beat of their own drum—are weeded out.

“Imagine,” said a public school teacher in New York City, who asked that I not use his name, “going to work each day knowing a great deal of what you are doing is fraudulent, knowing in no way are you preparing your students for life in an ever more brutal world, knowing that if you don’t continue along your scripted test prep course and indeed get better at it you will be out of a job. Up until very recently, the principal of a school was something like the conductor of an orchestra: a person who had deep experience and knowledge of the part and place of every member and every instrument. In the past 10 years we’ve had the emergence of both [Mayor] Mike Bloomberg’s Leadership Academy and Eli Broad’s Superintendents Academy, both created exclusively to produce instant principals and superintendents who model themselves after CEOs. How is this kind of thing even legal? How are such ‘academies’ accredited?

My oldest brother is a retired school counselor. He would often tell me about how new teachers quit soon after getting their degrees due to the rules set in place as to how they could or could not teach.
Joined: 1/5/2008
Msg: 78
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 4/27/2011 7:49:50 AM
After all the recall elections are over in 2011, the Wisconsin state senate will most likely change from a 19 (Republicans) and 14 (Democrats) to 20/21 (Repulicans) and 13-12 (Democrats)

Sorry Dems you will most likely lose seats in the state senate. Look at how the Voting went in the recent State Supreme Court election.

Dan Kapanke (R) will possibly be beaten if a recall election is held. (IMO- Very Probable)

Dave Hansen(D) Will almost for sure be beaten if a recall election is held

Jim Holperin (D) Will almost for sure be beaten as well.

We should know what the Wisconsin state senate will look like towards the end of summer. Oh and by the way I signed the Recall for Dave Hansen (D) and look forward to casting my vote against him. (Maybe the popular Karl Van Roy will challege Hansen? Time will tell)

And I thought Obama was gonna "walk the picket line" when workers were denied their rights. He said he'd put on a pair of comfy shoes and walk the picket line. Chalk it up as more empty words from a man that says anything.

Mr President. Why did not you not "walk the line" with Wisconsin workers?

The state incentive package totals $70 million through a combination of tax credits, grants and forgivable loans. (Union workers at Merc had to give up pay and benefits as part of the deal)

^^This "incentive package" was given to Mercury Marine via Former Wis Gov Jim Doyle(D)

2 union backed Dems also voted Against state union contracts in 2010. Decker was a Union man himself....
Joined: 1/5/2008
Msg: 79
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 4/27/2011 7:54:18 AM

But actually closer to the truth is that it's another reason Republicans in particular, hate unions. They tend to use prostitutes more than anyone,

Republicans have always been favored over Democrats by Prostitutes. Afterall Republicans are willing to pay for something that Democrats think should be free.
Joined: 12/26/2009
Msg: 80
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 6/1/2011 9:30:28 AM
...We should know what the Wisconsin state senate will look like towards the end of summer. Oh and by the way I signed the Recall for Dave Hansen (D) and look forward to casting my vote against him. (Maybe the popular Karl Van Roy will challege Hansen? Time will tell)..

Well looks like time just called and you may not be happy with what it has to say:

All six recall petitions against Wisconsin GOP approved while three against Dems put on hold

by Chris Bowers for Daily Kos
Tue May 31, 2011 at 10:30 AM PDT

All six recall petitions against Republican state Senators in have now been found sufficient by the Wisconsin Government Accountability Board (GAB). In addition to the three petitions the GAB approved last week against Dan Kapanke, Randy Hopper, and Luther Olsen, this morning they approved the petitions against Sheila Harsdorf, Robert Cowles, and Alberta Darling.

Further, the GAB has delayed the determination of sufficiency or insufficiency on the three recall petitions filed against Democratic state Senators, due to the stronger challenges filed against those petitions:

In an announcement sure to shake up the drive to recall politicians from both parties, the Government Accountability Board said Friday that its members would not be able to consider the recall petitions of three Democrats when they meet on Tuesday.

This might push the recall elections against Democrats back a week to July 19, push all recall elections to that date, or possibly prevent any recall elections against Democrats from taking place. More detail on the still fluid schedule:
Goal Thermometer

The board had been working under a plan to hold the recall elections on July 12. If there is more than one challenger in any race, the July 12 election would become a primary and the general recall election would be Aug. 9.

The board's new plan, if approved by the court, would have the Democratic recall elections a week later - on July 19. If there were multiple challengers, the July 19 election would become a primary and the general recall election would be Aug. 16.

The court, however, could change the schedule, either by delaying the Republican recall elections or ordering the board to complete work on the petitions against Democrats by Friday's deadline.

The bottom line here is that all six of the vulnerable Republicans will face recall elections, while it remains uncertain if any Democrats will face such elections. That's a big win.
Joined: 12/26/2009
Msg: 81
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 6/1/2011 2:10:47 PM
..What percentage would you be happy with to take from the "wealthy"?

The same % that they take from the lower classes would be a good start.

Instead of this well you make more so you do not have to pay as high as percentage BS.

If people want to make more that is their right, but not paying the same % as everyone else is not fair.
Joined: 1/5/2008
Msg: 82
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 6/1/2011 6:42:12 PM
Our state supreme court now has a conservative majority. (Kloppenburg concedes to Prosser as of yesterday)

The Conservative agenda in Wisconsin is moving along very well

The Dems are trying everything they can do to avoid recall elections for the 3 Dem State Senators. They know they will lose 2 state senate seats if those Senators face a recall election.

In the end the Republicans may gain a seat or it stays the same(19-14)
Joined: 12/26/2009
Msg: 83
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 6/2/2011 5:21:48 AM
The top 10% of earners, who made at least $113,799.00 per year, paid 69.9% of all federal raxes collected.

The top 5% of earners, who made at least $159,619%, paid 58% of all federal taxes collected...

and when people start paying thier taxes as a collect group and not individuals your stat will matter, but that is not the case.

people pay taxes individually, not as a group, so it doesn't matter what one groups pays vs anther because it is completely meaningless.

If person A earns 50K a year then he or she would pay X% of their pay in taxes, if person B earns 1.5million then they should pay the same % of taxes.

Not groups A vs Group B, as that would be a stupid comparison.

Those earning under $39K did not pay any federal income taxes.....................

Poor Americans do pay taxes.

Gretchen Carlson, the Fox News host, said last year "47 percent of Americans don’t pay any taxes." John McCain and Sarah Palin both said similar things during the 2008 campaign about the bottom half of Americans.

Ari Fleischer, the former Bush White House spokesman, once said "50 percent of the country gets benefits without paying for them."

Actually, they pay lots of taxes -- just not lots of federal income taxes.

Data from the Tax Foundation shows that, in 2008, the average income for the bottom half of taxpayers was $15,300.

This year, the first $9,350 of income is exempt from taxes for singles and $18,700 for married couples, just slightly more than in 2008. That means millions of the poor do not make enough to owe income taxes.

But they still pay plenty of other taxes, including federal payroll taxes. Between gas taxes, sales taxes, utility taxes and other taxes, no one lives tax free in America.

When it comes to state and local taxes, the poor bear a heavier burden than the rich in every state except Vermont, the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy calculated from official data. In Alabama, for example, the burden on the poor is more than twice that of the top 1 percent. The one-fifth of Alabama families making less than $13,000 pay almost 11 percent of their income in state and local taxes, compared with less than 4 percent for those who make $229,000 or more.

I am certain those in the top 10% would be happy to swap tax bills with those at the bottom........... So, more that just a good start, your wish has been implemented for quite a while now.

No in fact it has gone in the opposite direction, a the rich has been able to legislate their individual %'s down and down.

It's true that the top 1 percent of wage earners paid 38 percent of the federal income taxes in 2008 (the most recent year for which data is available). But people forget that the income tax is less than half of federal taxes and only one-fifth of taxes at all levels of government.

Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance taxes (known as payroll taxes) are paid mostly by the bottom 90 percent of wage earners. That's because, once you reach $106,800 of income, you pay no more for Social Security, though the much smaller Medicare tax applies to all wages. Warren Buffett pays the exact same amount of Social Security taxes as someone who earns $106,800.

Our state supreme court now has a conservative majority. (Kloppenburg concedes to Prosser as of yesterday)

Yeah and some County Clerk just happens to find a bunch of uncounted votes.

The same county clerk that was given immunity from prosecution in a 2002 criminal investigation into illegal activity by members of the assembly Republican Caucus. She worked for 13 years as a data analyst and computer specialist for the caucus.

The same clerk that decided to take the election data collection and storage system off the county's computer network - and keep it on stand-alone personal computers accessible only in her office - for security reasons. "What it gave me was good security of the elections from start to finish, without the ability of someone unauthorized to be involved," she said.

Yeah that happened.

Stuff like this is the reason why the rest of the world knows that elections in the US are a joke and why people like me follow them, just for the LOLz.
Joined: 11/30/2009
Msg: 84
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 6/2/2011 8:10:59 AM
You like to use all of this alleged data to make your point..what about all the taxes the rich pay that others on interest,tax on dividends,capital gains tax
luxury taxes,property taxes,.....all of the taxes you say that the poor pay are also paid by the rich..
you use fairness as an argument...if someone makes over a certain amount and pays the max to ss as mandated in tax code how is that unfair?
Joined: 1/5/2008
Msg: 85
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 6/2/2011 8:51:09 AM

Yeah and some County Clerk just happens to find a bunch of uncounted votes.

Are you making a case for voter ID?

Oh, that's been done as well.

PS-During the recount a bunch of uncounted votes were also found for Kloppy in Waupaca county.

Anways, it's great to watch the Libs getting their asses handed to them in WISCONSIN. And I can't wait to cast my vote against State Senator Hansen!

I'd rather be a "teabagger" then a lousy "Fleabagger"

(Fleabagger being the term for those state senators that fled the state to avoid a vote)
Joined: 9/1/2006
Msg: 86
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On Wisconsin.
Posted: 6/2/2011 8:58:39 AM

Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance taxes (known as payroll taxes) are paid mostly by the bottom 90 percent of wage earners.

I don't know where you are getting your information, but unemployment tax is NOT paid by employees. State and federal unemployment tax is paid by the employer.
Joined: 12/26/2009
Msg: 87
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 6/2/2011 10:05:03 AM
You like to use all of this alleged data to make your point..what about all the taxes the rich pay that others on interest,tax on dividends,capital gains tax
luxury taxes,property taxes,.....all of the taxes you say that the poor pay are also paid by the rich..

Well if you can show me a case of where one person of lesser income avoided any of these taxes than you will have a valid point.

Until then, you have no point. use fairness as an argument...if someone makes over a certain amount and pays the max to ss as mandated in tax code how is that unfair?

Because the amount of money paid to SS is not the same % for all.

The only fair way to do it would be the amount someone pays in taxes should represent the same % of income for all.

Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance taxes (known as payroll taxes) are paid mostly by the bottom 90 percent of wage earners.

I don't know where you are getting your information, but unemployment tax is NOT paid by employees. State and federal unemployment tax is paid by the employer.

I think they are saying that the majority of funds from these programs come from the bottom 90%.

Even if your employee remits on your behalf the amount is still calculated by how much you earn therefore the share of the funds attributed to that program comes from the bottom 90%.
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 88
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 6/2/2011 2:05:31 PM
I don't know where you are getting your information, but unemployment tax is NOT paid by employees. State and federal unemployment tax is paid by the employer.

I believe it's called SS and Medicare tax and 50% is paid by the employer...unless self employed...then 100% is paid by the employer.
Joined: 9/1/2006
Msg: 89
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On Wisconsin.
Posted: 6/2/2011 4:17:18 PM

I believe it's called SS and Medicare tax and 50% is paid by the employer...unless self employed...then 100% is paid by the employer.

As of this year, employees pay 5.65% for SS & Medicare combined. Employers pay 7.65%. State & federal UNEMPLOYMENT tax is completely seperate and is paid 100% by the employers.

go to: and search 940 tax
Joined: 12/26/2009
Msg: 90
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 6/2/2011 4:40:58 PM
Well this should really help the GOP win those elections.

Wisconsin GOP Discusses Planting Democratic Spoiler Candidate In Recall Election

First Posted: 06/ 2/11 01:01 PM ET Updated: 06/ 2/11 05:36 PM ET

by: Amanda Terkel

WASHINGTON -- Republicans in Wisconsin's La Crosse County recently discussed the possibility of finding a spoiler candidate to run against Democratic state Rep. Jennifer Shilling (D-La Crosse) in the race to recall state Sen. Dan Kapanke (R-La Crosse), a scenario they say would cost Democrats more money and delay the entire election.

The revelation, first published by the La Crosse Tribune, came from a secret recording made during the party's general membership meeting on May 25.

On the recording, which was obtained by The Huffington Post, La Crosse County Republican Party Vice Chairman Julian Bradley is heard recounting a conversation he had with Mark Jefferson, the executive director of the state party. "[W]e are actively keeping our ears to the ground and if anybody knows anybody for a candidate that would be interested on the Democratic side in running in the primary against Jennifer Shilling ... if anybody knows any Democrats who would be interested, please let us know," he said.

Kapanke is one of Democrats' top targets in the effort to recall the Republican senators who voted for a controversial measure stripping collective bargaining from the state's public workers. So far, his only challenger is Shilling, and the La Crosse Tribune recently reported that neither were expected to have any primary competitors.

The election is expected to be held on July 12, unless more than one challenger comes forward. If that happens, the state may have to push back the election date -- a scenario that, as Bradley notes on the tape, "would give the state senator an extra month to campaign in. The opposition would obviously have to spend more time and more money."

La Crosse Republican Party Chairman Bill Feehan told the La Crosse Tribune that he hadn't attended the meeting and wasn't familiar with the discussions on the tape.

"There's nothing official to it," Feehan said. "I'm sure that people would like to see a contested primary for the Democrats. I'm sure there are people who recognize that would be beneficial (for Kapanke)."
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Later in the recording, one of the other members in the room seems to express some nervousness about the discussions taking place: "I just hope that these meeting are not public. Or the minutes aren't public?"

"The minutes for our meetings are not public," responded Bradley. "There are no recording devices that should be on except for our own -- that's our own -- this is for our party only."

Kapanke also showed up to the meeting -- although after the conversation about a spoiler candidate had ended -- and said he hopes public employees don't show up to vote on the day of his recall election.

"So, we're going with our campaign, we're doing whatever we can," said Kapanke. "But we've got tons of government workers in my district -- tons, from La Crosse to Prairie du Chien and to Viroqua and to Ontario and to Hillsboro, you can go on and on and on. We have to overcome that. We gotta hope that they, kind of, are sleeping on July 12th, or whenever the date is."
Joined: 11/15/2006
Msg: 91
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 6/4/2011 1:51:52 PM

Wisconsin GOP Discusses Planting Democratic Spoiler Candidate In Recall Election

And further...

Wis. County GOP to Sue Over Illegal Taping of Meeting
Saturday, 04 Jun 2011 01:54 PM
By Mike Tighe

And... according to the party chairman, as quoted in the story...

“We’re not going to take this laying down,” Feehan said.

So, the Republican's are outed for 'dirty tricks' (oh, Richard would be pleased with them) and their "not going to take this laying down"...?!?
Joined: 12/26/2009
Msg: 92
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 6/5/2011 3:17:05 PM
It gets better:

After Plot to Rig Recall Exposed, Wisconsin Republicans Sue
June 4, 2011
By Sarah Jones

Irony Escapes Wisconsin Republicans As They Sue Over Secret Unedited Tape

Talk about poetic justice, albeit on a smaller scale and not exactly the same level of gotcha, the Wisconsin Republicans are suing over a secret tape made May 25 during their party’s monthly general membership meeting that revealed their plan to get around the recall elections by planting a spoiler Democrat in the recall for state Senator Kapanke. Yes, they are outraged.

Just imagine if someone had edited their secret tape to sound even worse than it did, spread it around to all of the networks, and they had lost their jobs because of it. Imagine, if you will, if they had been Breitbarted or O’Keefed. Because remember, when they do it, it’s “journalism”, even if they tell the people involved that they are not taping them, that the conversation is private. Even if they do it during a private lunch or lure a CNN anchor to their boat to entrap her.

The Lacrosse Tribune reports:

The La Crosse County Republican Party plans to sue the person who made a secret recording of the group’s monthly meeting last week, when party officials discussed running a spoiler candidate against Democrat Jennifer Shilling…

In a segment of the tape first obtained by the Tribune, party vice chairman Julian Bradley says he had spoken with Mark Jefferson, executive director of the state GOP, about finding a candidate who could force a primary in the upcoming recall election of Sen. Dan Kapanke of La Crosse. Shilling is the only Democrat who has declared her intention to challenge Kapanke.

But in another segment of the tape that surfaced Friday, county GOP spokesman Chris Rochester is recorded as saying he had spoken with Harrington about the plan, according to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel…

Wisconsin law says it is legal for a person to record a conversation if one party gives consent. It also says consent is not required if the person being recorded does not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in that communication. Civil penalties for breaking the law could include fines and punitive damages.

We note that Wisconsin Republicans really hate and despise the law when it works against them, but when they feel wronged, there is no limit to the fine detail of particulars to which they will stoop. “Feehan, the party chairman, said that since Bradley made comments early in the meeting that it should not be recorded, the person who made the tape had broken the law. ‘We’re not going to take this laying down,’ Feehan said.”

Ah, well, good to know. Certainly when one attends a monthly general membership party meeting, one assumes a reasonable expectation of privacy. One does not have a reasonable expectation of privacy, according to conservatives, at private lunches, private medical meetings or on private boats. And if you are on tape, what’s wrong with leaving out the statements that come before and after what you said, or running your dialogue over video that didn’t happen concurrently while making it appear as if it did? Got it? It’s the tape in general that Republicans object to, now, when it happens to them. Clearly they are unfamiliar with the sting of a O’Keefe-Breitbarted video and hence are unaware just how low this can go.

Certainly if the law was broken by the secret recording due to the time during which the recording was taken (please note that time matters for the Wisconsin Republicans when it’s against them, but when it comes to Open Meetings Laws, time shouldn’t matter), the person responsible should face the repercussions…but why are the conservative Republicans, who run on their supposed Christian morality, so unwilling to stand by the principles of law and order when it does not benefit them?

Not one of them have denounced obvious efforts of O’Keefe and Breitbart to take statements out of context via deliberate and distorting editing. In fact, O’Keefe was given center stage today at the Ralph Reed “faith and freedom coalition” fest. So, the conservatives are all for entrapment and deliberate abuse of privacy when it benefits their cause, but against the transparency of having their party meeting recorded and revealed.

And they call themselves Christians.

Wisconsin Republicans miss the irony of their suddenly being pro-law and order. Now they care about time, whereas in another court they are arguing that time is no biggie. They are against being secretly taped at a public meeting, but for secret tapes being edited and played on national news which then cost the victim their job.

Hard to know exactly what people stand for when their values change depending upon which side they’re standing.
Joined: 12/26/2009
Msg: 93
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 6/8/2011 6:21:39 AM
People must real be proud to back these find upstanding people in public office.

Proof that Wisconsin GOP Colluding to Run Fake Democratic Candidates
June 6, 2011
By Jason Easley and Sarah Jones

A new letter provides evidence that the Wisconsin GOP is coordinating an effort to place fake Democratic candidates on recall election ballots.

According to letters obtained by Milwaukee Journal Sentinel local leaders in the Wisconsin Republican Party are organizing their fellow Republicans to get enough signatures to place fake Democrats on recall election ballots. The fake Democrats would run in Democratic primaries for the seats that are held by Republican Sens. Randy Hopper and Luther Olsen.

Both of the fake Democrats Rol Church and John Buckstaff have a history of almost exclusive political donations to Republicans. The letter of support for Buckstaff’s candidacy spells out the Wisconsin GOP’s motives in clear black and white,

Under a section titled We Can Fight Back, 6th Congressional District Chairman Dan Feyen wrote, “

We need to make sure Democratic challengers face primaries to allow our Republicans time to mount a campaign.

The GAB is delaying Democrat elections in order to give them more time to organize. We need the same! A Democratic primary would push the general election back by one month so that Senator Hopper can have more time to organize a campaign against his liberal challenger.”

In case his motives weren’t totally obvious, under the What YOU Can Do section, Feyen wrote, “Please join us in supporting John Buckstaff’s “protest candidacy” on the Democratic ballot by signing the enclosed nomination paper, and returning it to us right away!”

Last week a secret tape emerged of Wisconsin Republicans discussing how they could rig the recall process by running a fake Democrat in a primary against Jennifer Shilling, who is challenging Republican Sen. Dan Kapanke.

Contrary to the indisputable evidence quickly compiling against them, Wisconsin Republican candidates have been running around like chickens with their heads cut off denying any knowledge or participation in the spoiler candidacy because they know voters don’t like dirty tricks. While it is perfectly legal for a “spolier candidate” to run, what is not as clear is if one candidate or party is conspiring to run a spoiler candidate in order to siphon votes off from their opponent.

Most of the time, candidates have to let these things go because there’s no proof of the conspiracy. But in this case, the proof is on tape and in letters, where they have admitted that the Wisconsin Republican Party is behind the entire plan to get two stooge candidates who are not really Democrats to run as Democrats.

Of course, the only reason someone would feel a need to trick the voters in this manner is if they feel threatened. In this case, the Republicans feel threatened because the people don’t like what they’re doing. The people don’t like their failure to comply with laws and their attacks on the middle class. One would think the best way to deal with this would be to regroup and have a listen to the people rather than try to pull a fast one on them — but this is the Wisconsin Republican Party.

Before the conservatives start screaming about whining liberals and no proof, let us take a small ride back in time to 2010 when the Tea Party was suing Alan Grayson over their imagined belief (with no proof) that he might have been involved in running a spoiler candidate. They served his wife with a subpoena meant for Alan, hoping to find some proof of their theory.

The Orlando Sentinel reported:

Tea party activists began serving subpoenas Wednesday on Democratic U.S. Rep. Alan Grayson and seven Florida Tea Party candidates in an attempt to prove Grayson conspired to create the political party to field a spoiler candidate in his own race.
If the legal move is successful, it could provide ammunition against Grayson in the weeks leading up to his Election Day showdown with Republican challenger Dan Webster. Grayson is in Washington, D.C., but a subpoena was served on his wife at their Orlando home in his absence this morning.

Florida Republican Party officials contend that Dunmire is a spoiler meant to pull conservative votes away from Webster, easing the way for Grayson’s re-election.

So we can see that accusations even suggesting that someone might be conspiring to run a spoiler candidate can impugn the character of the accused. Accusations of running a spoiler candidate can be used as a political weapon and could be used to restrict lesser known, under-funded candidates from running. Caution is in order, then, when making this accusation.

However, when you have the party on tape and in writing admitting that they are doing this in not one, but two races, you only have to repeat their own words and let the constituents judge for themselves.

You don’t need to run a spoiler candidate if you are popular with the people, you don’t get six easily certified recall campaigns against you if you are listening to the people, and you don’t need to sue the opposing party with slanderous accusations of using a spoiler candidate with no proof of it if you actually have a platform the people might find appealing. On the other hand, if you’re caught on tape and in writing conspiring to run a spoiler candidate so as to subvert democracy, perhaps your priorities as a political party are unimaginably far out of touch with your purported purpose of serving the people.
Joined: 1/5/2008
Msg: 94
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 7/8/2011 4:02:25 PM
Walker signs concealed-carry measure into law

July 19th is almost here. I can't wait to cast my vote in opposition of anti-gun, and non blind spot checking liberal Dave Hansen.
Joined: 12/28/2010
Msg: 95
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 7/8/2011 8:05:21 PM
Though I have no problem with concealed carry I DO have a problem with my taxes going to corporations that already make 20 times what I'll ever make in a lifetime, I do have a problem with public school teachers losing their collective bargaining rights since most of the other states that have no collective bargaining are in the low 40s for academic performance, I do have a problem with being lied to about my state's financial situation (state's broke my big white flabby a**), I do have a problem with seniors who busted their a**es for more years than what Scott Walker has been in political office now are losing their medicare and may have to go back to work to afford their medications because they can't control every sickness they get due to biological changes associated with aging (which they also can't control) even though I am not a senior citizen myself, I do have a problem with there only being minimum wage jobs created (which filthy republicans are notorious for in all of America)...Many years ago Robert La Follette busted his tail to end the stalwart corruption that plagued the state of Wisconsin and now years later that same corruption is back again in political office. But don't blame me, I voted for Barrett.

As a kid I always supported republicans. But that was until I had to start working for a living. Now I realize they are not on the middle class's side and don't even belong in our country to be honest. Since after all federal republicans like to dodge questions, block every great idea the Democrats can come up with to fix the economy, and think we should be giving money to countries that want nothing to do with us. They should go live in those countries then and stay out of ours.
Joined: 1/5/2008
Msg: 96
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 7/8/2011 10:46:50 PM
^^After reading your profile.....

"Channeling Glen Beck and Sean Hannity.

Here to spread cheer and generally piss people off."

I would expect a comment like that from somebody "on the internet".......

Now onto the Redistricting of Wisconsin.
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 97
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On Wisconsin.
Posted: 7/9/2011 5:22:31 AM
Have not seen so much sleeze come out of the right in Wisconsin since McCarthy. The "redistricting" dirty trick, funding faux dems candidates, and a blatant willingness to violate the law, just shows how desperate and dispicable the far right in Wisconsin has become. I have a step-brother who served in the senate for many years, and though we didn't see eye to eye on much, he was a relatively honorable republican in his days.

MADISON – Assembly Democratic Leader Peter Barca (D-Kenosha) released the following statement on the Legislature's upcoming vote on the highly secretive Republican redistricting plan, which has only been made public today after weeks of private Republican review:

“Once again, Gov. Walker and legislative Republicans have made an extremely partisan, blatant power grab by drawing a map designed with the goal to ensure their party will be in control for the next decade. A preliminary review of this plan reveals serious constitutional questions. First and foremost, longstanding communities of interest have been completely disregarded.

“During this process, Republicans have given themselves a blank check to spend millions in taxpayer funds on private, partisan attorneys to secretly craft redistricting proposals that would gerrymander voters into different legislative districts with the sole purpose of Republican political gain when the same work could be done by non-partisan attorneys already on the state payroll. Instead of devising legal schemes to protect Republican legislative jobs, I believe the people of this state would rather we focus on creating jobs for middle-class families.

“The Republican legislative leaders are acting in their own self-interest and not in the best interests of the people of Wisconsin. By releasing this plan before local governments finish drawing their boundaries, they have failed to respect the redistricting process and probably have failed to follow the law. This has not been done in recent memory and may never have been done in the history of the state. But given everything legislative Republicans have done this session to attack the middle class and rubberstamp Gov. Walker's extreme, polarizing agenda, it's not surprising that they would do everything they could to keep voters from holding them accountable.

“If the governor is truly interested in bringing Wisconsin together and moving forward in a nonpartisan fashion, he will make it clear that he will veto this heavily gerrymandered, highly partisan redistricting plan. If he doesn't, the governor will again demonstrate that he has zero interest in bipartisanship and good government.”
Joined: 11/14/2010
Msg: 98
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 7/10/2011 12:24:45 PM
Puppy - California has been controlled by Dems for decades now, so how is your re-districting any different?
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 99
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On Wisconsin.
Posted: 7/10/2011 12:32:02 PM
California has 50% more Democrats and Republicans.

Wisconsin's divide is narrower and after the scandals and evil of the Scat Walker admin, voters are drifting back toward the Dems. The Cons, in their desperation to have a permanent majority are embarking on this dirty trick toward that end. Nothing to do with what is best for the citizens of Wisconsin. Just a power grab by the Koch gangsters.
Joined: 1/5/2008
Msg: 100
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 7/10/2011 1:02:48 PM
^^Had a guy stop by my house today with a clipboard and a Dave Hansen button on. Looks like ole Dave is pretty worried since he has people going door to door trying to get the word out about the coming election and what Walker has done to the public employee's union.

The look on this guys face was priceless when I told him I'm all for Walker and what he's doing.

My friends in Ashwaubenon are also looking forward to voting for 82 year old Otto Junkermann in the Democratic Primary. I think Junkermann could possibly win the primary. But I don't have a crystal
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