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 show me please
Joined: 6/14/2008
Msg: 101
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you can write all you like, the sun is setting on the day of the union.


people are pissed, out of work, sometimes homeless, living out of their cars, hounded at work by nasty bosses afraid for their own jobs, and you want pity and sympathy for workers who dont work by incentive, have practically guaranteed jobs, every gold plated perk for life, and are in many cases WILDLY overpaid like the bus drivers in madison making 80 or 100k a year?


get a life dude.
 Earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 102
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Posted: 7/13/2011 2:03:42 AM
Well. That round of dirty tricks failed miserably for the Walkeristas. All six Dems won handily despite the DINO tricks. I recommend Joe Baegent's book, "Deer Hunting with Jesus" to better understand how the Kock Bros of the nation have manipulated the working classes to vote against their self interests. More tax cuts for Walker's buddies...that should help.
 wisguyingb
Joined: 1/5/2008
Msg: 103
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 7/13/2011 4:21:59 AM
Not to surprised that preferred Democrats won an election in a Democratic primary. The closet race was between Moore and "spoiler" Weix. Weix got 46% of the vote. Most other "spoilers" got between 30 and 35%. Not bad for not running any campaign or spending any great amount of $$.

It won't surprise me to see Dave Hansen pull off a victory. His opponent (Dave Vander Leest) is a weak and overall, not a very good challenger. John Nygren did not get on the ballot due to being 2 signatures short of 400. Heck, he did not even sign his own form! He was straight up lazy and does not deserve to be on the ballot. Still, I will go vote on the 19th.

Even if the Republicans lose the State Senate, they still have gotten a decade's worth of agenda taken care of. And they still control the Assembly and Governor's office.


The Dems could pull out 3, maybe even 4 recall victories. But the Republicans should still be able to win Jim Holperin's 12th District in Northern Wisconsin, which would soften the blow. It really depends on voter turnout. A very low turnout tells me that the Dems will have a good day since this is a vote they will not miss. And a low turnout would mean most would be liberal type voters. A higher turnout (like during the Supreme court race) would be better for the Republicans, since Prosser won most of the counties (up here) when there was record voter turnout.


Anyways, Wisconsin Democrats (Up north by me, not the ones in Dane county) tend to be strange. They are mainly pro gun, anti illegal immigrant, anti higher taxes and anti homosexual. But they are pro Union and vote the way the Union encourages them to. I know a lot of these types (some are in my family, neighbors or people I am friends with) and most were in favor of Arizona's law on illegals and most were in favor of the concealed carry law that has just been passed. And most people up here seem to not be in favor of homosexual marriage. But yet they vote with a party that usually favors these sorts of issues. Strange.

And lets not forget that all of the recall election winners will have to run again in November 2012. And for a few their districts may be changed by redistricting.
 FrankNStein902
Joined: 12/26/2009
Msg: 104
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 8/4/2011 6:09:13 AM

....Well. That round of dirty tricks failed miserably for the Walkeristas. All six Dems won handily despite the DINO tricks.

They are not done yet.

Conservatives maybe a tad worried about Wisconsin?

by Kay


The charitable Koch Brothers, out and about, helping the community, like they do:

mailers have now turned up from Americans For Prosperity Wisconsin, addressed to voters in two of the Republican-held recall districts, where the elections will be held on August 9. The mailers ask recipients to fill out an absentee ballot application, and send it in—by August 11, after Election Day for the majority of these races. “These are people who are our 1’s [solid Democrats] in the voterfile who we already knew,” a Democratic source told Politico. “They ain’t AFP members, that’s for damn sure.”

The mailing address for the applications is listed as “Absentee Ballot Application Processing Center, P.O. Box 1327, Madison WI 53701-1327.” A Google search shows that this address is not any sort of government office, but has been used by the conservative group Wisconsin Family Action.

In addition, Wisconsin Right To Life previously used the same address for absentee ballot application letters and phone calls that were sent out shortly before the July 12 Democratic primaries, but after the official deadlines for the applications. The group responded to criticism, saying the phone calls were intended to be for the general elections in August.

A Democrat on the ground in Wisconsin said the fliers were discovered to be hitting doors in District 2 and District 10 over the weekend.



http://www.balloon-juice.com/2011/08/01/conservatives-maybe-a-tad-worried-about-wisconsin/
 Doremi_Fasolatido
Joined: 2/14/2009
Msg: 105
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Posted: 8/8/2011 7:29:40 PM
What say you folks. Tomorrow is the big day in Wisconsin. I'm watching a rally in Madison, Wis. on the Ed Show right now. If the enthusiasm of these people is any indication I'd say the Republicans should be concerned.
 wisguyingb
Joined: 1/5/2008
Msg: 106
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 8/10/2011 4:58:18 AM

A Democrat on the ground in Wisconsin said the fliers were discovered to be hitting doors in District 2 and District 10 over the weekend.


http://gab.wi.gov/node/1994

This was not against the law.

Kevin Kennedy, Wisconsin’s chief election officer, said that while it is legal for groups and political parties to produce and distribute absentee ballot applications, voters who wish to vote absentee need not rely on them. “If you need or want to vote absentee, contact your municipal clerk directly and request a ballot,” Kennedy said.

Anyways...4 wins and 2 loses for the GOP and they still could gain 2 seats next week. (But they will probably only gain one of those), and they hang onto power! And after all that buildup from the liberals on how they were gonna take back the State Senate... Now the adults can finally get down to work! Or are the juveniles going to continue to have hizzy fits?

Note to the libs. Do you really want to take on Gov Walker? This entire year in Wisconsin has been a total loss for you.....
 FrankNStein902
Joined: 12/26/2009
Msg: 107
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 8/10/2011 6:15:04 AM

Kevin Kennedy, Wisconsin’s chief election officer, said that while it is legal for groups and political parties to produce and distribute absentee ballot applications, voters who wish to vote absentee need not rely on them. “If you need or want to vote absentee, contact your municipal clerk directly and request a ballot,” Kennedy said.

Congratulations you have the most corrupt political system in the world.

When it is OK for people to produce fake ballots with misleading information on them.





Note to the libs. Do you really want to take on Gov Walker? This entire year in Wisconsin has been a total loss for you.....

Are you reading what you are writing?

Have you followed the news?

You have a Governor that has admitted to being a puppet for a corporation, a political party that have been caught lying and admitting to using all tactics illegal and other wise to fix the elections and you are celebrating?

Really?

Your system of government has been taken over by a corporation and you think it is a good thing?


No wonder why the world laughs a the hypocrisy in the US when it comes to elections.
 wisguyingb
Joined: 1/5/2008
Msg: 108
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 8/10/2011 6:38:54 AM
^^^They are NOT Ballots. They were applications NOT Ballots. Since when on earth does a Conservative or Liberal group issue BALLOTS!? Question-Are you reading the whole story. The word "applications" comes after the word BALLOT. No 'Ballots' were issued by any such group. No law was broken.


Your system of government has been taken over by a corporation and you think it is a good thing?


I know I know. I'm voting against my own interests, conservatives just don't understand. Same old same old..blah blah. Liberals will never be able to understand how a Conservative can actually pull off a valid victory.

Today I'm happy. It's great to see all the Wisconsin "know it all Liberals" who have been beating their chests for the last few months about taking the power back and then having their behinds handed to them. All their hard work, hours, and time for really nothing!


Now onto Jim Holperin's recall election. On a personal level, I'd probably get along fine with this Dem. He's socially conservative, has had the NRA endorsement in the past. In the end he's a Fleebagger and I'd like to see him voted out.
 wisguyingb
Joined: 1/5/2008
Msg: 109
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 8/10/2011 8:54:56 AM
Speaking of corruption. You could get your Free Ribs, and Prizes if you jumped on the on the bus to vote early. Compliments of Sandy Paasch (D)

http://www.620wtmj.com/blogs/charliesykes/126522898.html

Wish I could have gone to one of the "Recall parties" that had been planned all across the State. Seeing their teary eyes and crushed Liberal hearts would have been awesome to say the least! Sure the Rep's lost 2 seats. Kapanke we knew would get beat. No brainer. Hopper was a toss up and only lost by 1200 and change. Olsen was another toss up but was able to win by a comfortable margine. Hopper just did not have the turnout that the Supreme Court Election had. Mabye we can get that one back in Nov 2012 when King has to defend her new seat. Of course after redistricting has taken place. I still think that Dave Hansen can get beat in 2012. It was easy for him to win when going up against a guy like Vander Leest. Heck Hansen had $300,000 to spend when compared to Vander Leest's $2,000. Vander Leest was really a weak candidate that the Republican's did not want to get behind. He even had to make his own signs by hand in his garage. Pretty sad.
 FrankNStein902
Joined: 12/26/2009
Msg: 110
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 8/10/2011 10:56:56 AM

^^^They are NOT Ballots. They were applications NOT Ballots. Since when on earth does a Conservative or Liberal group issue BALLOTS!? Question-Are you reading the whole story. The word "applications" comes after the word BALLOT. No 'Ballots' were issued by any such group. No law was broken.

They where bogus ballet applications with the wrong date and bogus address.

They where created by an organization funded by the Koch brothers for nothing more than an attempt to deceive voters.

While it may not be technically illegal it is pretty low down and dirty and in no way can be compared to some free food.


Although I think I understand your position as you only really care about what party gets elected and really do not care how they go about doing it, which is obvious from your blatant disregard towards the corruption that has taken place.



So I guess you just hate America and all the right and freedoms that the people before you fought and died for and prefer to have matters of state and government decided by a corporation and not fairly by the citizens.
 internetmeme
Joined: 7/28/2011
Msg: 111
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 8/10/2011 12:39:38 PM
Unions donate ridiculous amounts of money to the Democratic party. Wis became a battle ground for Democrats and Republicans because of that issue.

Democrats want to keep the power in the Unions hands so they can continue to fund their Country crushing beliefs. Republicans want to have a balanced budget, smaller government, less Union control, lower taxes, control money to reduce inflation, less government regulation.

Democrats want BIG government that controls every aspect of our lives, endless spending so they can tax the wealthy out of the country and create a socialist society, Unions in every possible occupational area, extreme inflation... essentially Democrats want to break the back of every American so we come begging to the government for help and eat out of their hands and are forced to vote Democrat.

Why someone would EVER vote Democrat after what we've seen happen the last two years is beyond me. Bush looks like Jesus compared to Obama.
 FrankNStein902
Joined: 12/26/2009
Msg: 112
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 8/10/2011 1:35:29 PM

After all of the negative, hateful, and conspiratorial things you have said over and over again about the USA, for you to pick up the stars and stripes, that would be the American flag, and wave it now, really doesn't resonate in any way shape or form.

I am not waving the flag I am just pointing out the obvious hypocrisy.

You have an administration that has done everything in its power to circumvent the rules of elections and government. These are facts and refusing to acknowledge them regardless of political affiliation is disingenuous at best.




The only conclusion I can come to is that you are worried that by some fate of luck, where you live would take a turn towards freedom of speach, and other things that we enjoy here....

Do you understand that what you are claiming actually happened under Governor Walker?



It is clear that people that are affiliated on either side do not have the perspective to see when their sides has done something wrong, even when it is as egregious as what has happened in Wisconsin, although this is what you get with two party politics.

Also attempts to label my by some party affiliation is laughable, because I have none and also shows that people really want to win because they just hate the other side and for no other logical reason.
 Doremi_Fasolatido
Joined: 2/14/2009
Msg: 113
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Posted: 8/10/2011 5:21:25 PM
RIGHT ^^^^ Also. I can see many of our jobs returning soon. The corporations that could'nt wait to shutter the manufacturing plants here will return. They're just waiting for wages to drop to the level of the countries that they fled to. Fortunately, their Republican friends are there to see that this happens. .Gov's Walker in Wis. Kasich in my fine state of Ohio and all the other Koch Bros. funded and installed Govs. are doing what they do to bring us JOBS...... PS, don't be afraid to put in a little overtime because the pay will be less.
 Doremi_Fasolatido
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Msg: 114
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Posted: 8/10/2011 9:03:41 PM
They havent been scrapping the regulations at all. They're just cutting funds to the agencies responsible for enforcing them. In the end the results are the same.
 RichenLosAngeles
Joined: 11/14/2010
Msg: 115
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 8/10/2011 9:22:24 PM
I read that the Koch Bros. have attacked public schools, which is similar to actual public school teachers. They WORK in public schools, but send their own kids to private schools.
 Twilightslove
Joined: 12/9/2008
Msg: 116
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Posted: 8/10/2011 9:39:34 PM
It would be nice if people could stop voting based only on their party lines and start actually looking at what the two different parties are doing and not doing. The truth is I feel like Americans think of elections in the same manner that they cheer for their team in football, baseball, basketball, etc. Do you simply want to hold an allegiance to your fantasies about how well your team (political party) is doing or do you want to know that they are winning for your benefit? I would prefer to know they are working to benefit the masses instead of a handful of corporations. That requires seeking reality though...
 7iron
Joined: 7/5/2008
Msg: 117
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 8/11/2011 9:17:44 AM
^^^^^^If this recall vote was based only on party lines the Democrats would have control of the Senate. They don't. This was a win because taxpayers from both parties realized the benefit packages negotiated by the unions weren't affordable and by far exceeded benefits available in the private sector.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 118
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 8/11/2011 10:59:36 AM
Really folks...you must remember when public service unions were payed less than the private sector and has pensions that were comparable...and then the private sector started to pay less and less and do away with defined benefit plans....the public sector-run by politicians, even republican politicians-kept increasing wages and benefits...in an inverse relation to the private sector...so, the only way to get this right..is not to renegotiate these contracts...we must throw the baby out with the bath water...


Public sector employee unions really don't work


How true, and we can look to Texas to see how well, doing away with these unions, works...ironic isn't it...we blame the people actually doing the work in our states, not the politicians.

But, back to Wisconson...the recall vote there shows how polarized this state is politically...and may be a bell-weather moment for the national election in 2012.
 wisguyingb
Joined: 1/5/2008
Msg: 119
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Posted: 8/13/2011 6:37:12 AM
This is classic. Liberals don't think you should have to show a ID to Vote. Yet this Packer player was not allowed to meet the "Liberal" Prez cuz he forgot his ID.....

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Packers-linebacker-forgets-ID-can-8217-t-get-i?urn=nfl-wp5018

Glad we now have to show ID when voting in Wisconsin

What would happen if I went to the store and forgot my ID when trying to buy beer?
 FrankNStein902
Joined: 12/26/2009
Msg: 120
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 8/13/2011 10:01:43 AM

This is classic. Liberals don't think you should have to show a ID to Vote. Yet this Packer player was not allowed to meet the "Liberal" Prez cuz he forgot his ID.....

Yes it is a classic, someone completely not understanding the difference between using identification and needing a photo ID and trying to use a completely unrelated incident to buoy their cause.

Classic Derp.




Glad we now have to show ID when voting in Wisconsin

So you could vote in the past and not show any ID at all?




What would happen if I went to the store and forgot my ID when trying to buy beer?

You would be asked to return with a valid Wisconsin driver's license with a photo or a valid Wisconsin identification card.
 Earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 121
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Posted: 8/13/2011 10:57:18 AM
Let's not forget that the whole "voter ID" scam is part of the republican tactic to disenfranchise, minorities, students, the elderly and other voters who would favor the opposition. And if this was merely a concern for honest elections, the Wisconsin voter ID law would not have seen 10 DMV stations shut down in dem leaning districts only.

If the real concern was "honest elections" the same people would be rallying against black box voting, a proven and widespread abuse of voter's rights.
 Earthpuppy
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Msg: 122
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Posted: 8/13/2011 2:53:11 PM
^^^As an immigrant, it would seem you would be a bit more sympathetic to voter intimidation via these reactionary laws. The Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University of Law concluded that after looking at voter fraud allegations, that the average voter has a better chance of being struck by lightening than commiting voter fraud. The Bush Admin spent 5 years on a witch hunt for voter fraud and found 86 cases out of 196 million voters.

Despite denial of the fact, the voter disenfranchisement laws are targeted by republicans intent on trying to establish a permanent majority. In their zeal however, they are showing their arses and the backlash will hang with them a long time, if not forever as the US becomes less white and less affluent for the majority.
http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/policy_brief_on_voter_identification/

The very real and pronounced voting fraud is being conducted by those who count the votes, as Stalin warned. Then, there are the republican dirty tricks.
http://www.politicususa.com/en/wisconsin-gop-voter-fraud
http://wiscoprogressive.wordpress.com/2011/05/05/wisconsin-republican-party-election-fraud-exposed/
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/278-76/6981-a-new-kind-of-vote-fraud
http://www.flcv.com/fraudpat.html
 RichenLosAngeles
Joined: 11/14/2010
Msg: 123
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 8/13/2011 3:17:00 PM
Puppy, why even BE a citizen? Why not just show up, grab whatever you can get, and if it ever gets too rough to loot the rich gringo's, you just go home?
 RichenLosAngeles
Joined: 11/14/2010
Msg: 124
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Posted: 8/13/2011 4:26:45 PM
FP, yes you're allowed to do that. You hang your flag and mark your territory and declare yourself as a sovereign nation. Just like every "other" county does .
 FrankNStein902
Joined: 12/26/2009
Msg: 125
On Wisconsin.
Posted: 8/13/2011 4:41:13 PM

AS an immigrant, I am very sympathetic to voter fraud, to those in the country accessing money and education when they shouldn't be, not the phony "voter intimidation" that you love to proclaim...

So you are saying that there has been no funny business going on in Wisconsin with regards to voters?





What happened with the black panthers intimidating white voters in the last election in Philladelphia, that was dismmissed out of hand by BOTH Mr. Howdy Doody, and his henchman, Eric holder........ Gee, now why did they dismiss those voter intimidation cases, when there was video of the occurances?

That is wrong, it was dismissed by Bush administration when they decided not to pursue criminal charges, with Assistant Attorney General Thomas Perez testifying that the Bush Justice Department "determined that the facts did not constitute a prosecutable violation of the criminal statutes".
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