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 PittsburghVixen
Joined: 6/27/2009
Msg: 112
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There are always individual exceptions--some people are smarter or dumber; some catch a lucky break and others an unlucky one; and [bold]yes, some people have more drive and determination while others are lazy[/bold]--however, if you take two identical groups of children and place one group in the rich school and one group in the poor, as a whole, the group in the poor school will fair much worse in life than the one from the rich.


And that's one of the points of this movie: some people have more drive and determination. That often, but not always, ensures their success (and there are many kinds of success other than financial). So why penalize the driven, determined people in favor of the lazy ones? The individuals who are determined to succeed will do so. Those who associate with others who are successful and like-minded, are more likely to succeed. There are people in both of your groups - rich school and poor school - who, by their own actions and outlooks, deserve to be in the "other" group.
 1234deleted1234
Joined: 10/8/2009
Msg: 113
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Posted: 4/20/2011 7:38:22 PM
An interesting aside... I do apartment maintenance, one building I work was for Government assisted people.
These people always had something to say about being kept down, how the rich subjugate the poor etc..
One thing they all had in common though was big screen TV's, gaming systems, nice stereos, lots of new DVD's and pizza/beer containers in the trash...

So...even with assistance they waste it and make poor choices.



Additionally I think its a waste of time to go off topic and question peoples education... its fruitless.
Besides...knowledge and intelligence aren't the same thing...education is not a very accurate method of determining ones intelligence.

I could point to many posts written like a third grader despite the author having an advanced degree.

In my own life, with no degree, I have often been put into a training position over people with degrees in the profession...mainly because I pick up new information quicker and deeper than the others did and was able to teach what I knew.
 BalderDog2
Joined: 1/6/2011
Msg: 114
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Posted: 4/20/2011 8:17:27 PM

One thing they all had in common though was big screen TV's, gaming systems, nice stereos, lots of new DVD's and pizza/beer containers in the trash...


No Cadillac? Usually when I hear about poor people buying highend items with their government assistance, they usually drive all their loot home in a Cadillac.
 1234deleted1234
Joined: 10/8/2009
Msg: 115
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Posted: 4/20/2011 8:33:24 PM
^^^^^ No Cadillacs but I can say most of the cars were newer...lots having custom wheels too...not all though.
 BalderDog2
Joined: 1/6/2011
Msg: 116
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Posted: 4/20/2011 8:53:45 PM

No Cadillacs but I can say most of the cars were newer...lots having custom wheels too...not all though.


I was being facetious.
 1234deleted1234
Joined: 10/8/2009
Msg: 117
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Posted: 4/20/2011 9:07:42 PM
^^^^^ facetious....maybe, but not too far off! I did see a few higher end cars too but they could have been the social workers cars....LOL
 1234deleted1234
Joined: 10/8/2009
Msg: 119
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Posted: 4/21/2011 6:46:29 AM

I have to say JCO415, Ive changed my mind about you big time, got to say Im Impressed big time man, I cant remember a time reading your posts that Im in total agreement with.


What can I say? I'm an enigma....just go over to the sex/sexuality forum and I'll go back to grossing you out!


Politically (Governmental) I'm so conservative I have to look left to see Limbaugh but personally I'd have to look right to see most porn stars!
Now, if we could just get Federal Government to handle just government stuff; Military, foreign affairs (not entanglements), Courts and interstate commerce and keep out of people's personal lives....

Local Governments don't bother me so much because, like free markets....we can CHOOSE where we live....things would even out.
 Page 2u
Joined: 1/30/2008
Msg: 120
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Posted: 4/21/2011 4:32:33 PM
Too much—I think I finely understand Freeman economics.
Perhaps not it’s complexities, but more of a rudimentary spirit of the theory.

Gotta love pof—I only heard of Freeman, some 5 yrs ago—not that interested in economics, but I kept my eyes open.
Then –pof—something called Atlas shrugged.. lol.. Love it.

Ms. Rand —was such a fox.. interviewer after interviewer , questioned the practice of self interest, and she never really answered the question.
She just kept insisting.
I think she was leaving it up to the individual to, understand that, free will comes with a liability clause.

You may have a-- get out of jail card free, however--Sooner or later, hopefully--you’re going to realize that, the jail is your life, and that’s a little more difficult to escape from.

I’m thinking –Governments trying to control social economics may be akin to a variety of religions.

I think the government should keep its hands out of our pockets, and our pants….


Thanks for the shrug—
 CMonster
Joined: 12/4/2004
Msg: 121
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Posted: 4/21/2011 4:55:53 PM
You may have a-- get out of jail card free, however--Sooner or later, hopefully--you’re going to realize that, the jail is your life, and that’s a little more difficult to escape from.

If only people took the time to realize that the door is unlocked and there's a little sign that says "Pull" instead of "Push."

Just sayin'...
 1234deleted1234
Joined: 10/8/2009
Msg: 122
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Posted: 4/21/2011 6:01:10 PM

there is also the freedom to fail.............


Boy howdy! Do I know THAT! I was on track to retire this year...pushed too hard, make some stupid mistakes and lost it ALL...now instead of 8 houses and not asking what things cost, I'm living in a studio apartment living paycheck to paycheck working seven nights per week and some days too...trying to start over!

I could blame the economy or society but the signs were there...I just got c@cky! ...and I'M paying the price...but I'm confident that I'll come back even stronger...but as I get older the comebacks get harder...

When I'm on top again I'm sure it won't be because I persevered and busted my butt...it'll be because I took advantage of someone or that because I'm a white male or some BS...yes, I've heard that one many times before...despite growing up in poor neighborhoods to a single mother sometimes on welfare...and no college.
 CMonster
Joined: 12/4/2004
Msg: 123
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Posted: 4/22/2011 3:25:32 PM
Here's an interesting letter written by the economist Ludwig von Mises to Ayn Rand shortly after the publication of Atlas Shrugged.


Dear Mrs. Rand:

I am not a professional critic and I feel no call to judge the merits of a novel. So I do not want to detain you with the information that I enjoyed very much reading Atlas Shrugged and that I am full of admiration for your masterful construction of the plot.
But Atlas Shrugged is not merely a novel. It is also (or may I say: first of all) a cogent analysis of the evils that plague our society, a substantiated rejection of the ideology of our self-styled "intellectuals" and a pitiless unmasking of the insincerity of the policies adopted by governments and political parties. It is a devastating exposure of the "moral cannibals," the "gigolos of science" and of the "academic prattle" of the makers of the "anti-industrial revolution." You have the courage to tell the masses what no politician told them: you are inferior and all the improvements in your conditions which you simply take for granted you owe to the efforts of men who are better than you.
If this be arrogance, as some of your critics observed, it still is the truth that had to be said in this age of the Welfare State.
I warmly congratulate you and I looking forward with great expectations to your future work.

Sincerely,
Ludwig von Mises

Beware of the prattle of academics, the moral cannibals and the gigolos of science.
 Page 2u
Joined: 1/30/2008
Msg: 124
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Posted: 4/22/2011 5:09:40 PM
Paul K

You do mean "Friedman"?



Ya-- I meant Friedman,, sorry..
But you gotta admit Freeman –Kinda works !! smile.
 CMonster
Joined: 12/4/2004
Msg: 125
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Posted: 4/27/2011 9:25:38 PM
So have we come to a conclusion about what the highly educated should morally do for society or what they should be privileged to gain because of their level of knowledge?
 1234deleted1234
Joined: 10/8/2009
Msg: 126
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Posted: 4/28/2011 12:03:37 AM
^^^^^ I learned early the best way to defeat an opponent was to use their own weapons on them!
 CMonster
Joined: 12/4/2004
Msg: 127
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Posted: 4/28/2011 3:36:08 PM
^^^^^^^^^^
You'd think that they'd realize that they started off pointing the weapon at themselves. Gives a new meaning to "survival of the fittest."
 BalderDog2
Joined: 1/6/2011
Msg: 128
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Posted: 4/28/2011 5:48:48 PM
Like the book, I think people just got bored with this thread.
 CMonster
Joined: 12/4/2004
Msg: 129
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Posted: 4/28/2011 10:14:33 PM
Yeah, some people seem to only enjoy emotional drama. Philosophical themes seem to just go over their heads. No wonder they get bored.
 BalderDog2
Joined: 1/6/2011
Msg: 130
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Posted: 4/30/2011 6:50:07 PM

No wonder they get bored.


They get bored because after a while, the discussion becomes pointless. I check on this thread every once in a while to see if something new--meaning a new point of view--has been added. Nothing yet...just the same old same old. Yawn.
 CMonster
Joined: 12/4/2004
Msg: 131
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Posted: 4/30/2011 10:44:40 PM
They get bored because after a while, the discussion becomes pointless. I check on this thread every once in a while to see if something new--meaning a new point of view--has been added. Nothing yet...just the same old same old. Yawn.

That's because it seems that whenever brings up something which moves them emotionally and irrationally blames it on something that they don't truly understand, people can point inaccuracies in their beliefs. Besides that, they're asked rational questions which challenges their beliefs. Perhaps they see that using emotion to debate facts is pointless.

So, what's stopping you from contributing something interesting , what's stopping you? Do you have anything interesting to add besides just a "yawn?"
 Jan Sobieski
Joined: 7/4/2008
Msg: 132
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Posted: 5/1/2011 8:32:42 PM
Philosophical themes seem to just go over their heads.



Well quite. Much like Rand herself in fact, however she did at least provided a fair amount of entertainment. Her work has given myself, and many others I'm sure, a fantastic amount of laughter over the years.

I'm also sure the film is positively awful.
 CMonster
Joined: 12/4/2004
Msg: 133
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Posted: 5/1/2011 9:34:12 PM

Her work has given myself, and many others I'm sure, a fantastic amount of laughter over the years.

For example???
 1234deleted1234
Joined: 10/8/2009
Msg: 134
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Posted: 5/1/2011 9:38:48 PM



I'm also sure the film is positively awful.


Well, you can form your own opinion by seeing it it do the liberal thing and regurgitate the opinions of others as your own...
 CMonster
Joined: 12/4/2004
Msg: 135
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Posted: 5/3/2011 6:34:44 PM
I'm still waiting to come across someone with an opposing view who had actually completed the book and could discuss/debate its nuances instead of creating more regurgitated verbiage or orthogonal situation. That would be an interesting discussion.
 1234deleted1234
Joined: 10/8/2009
Msg: 136
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Posted: 5/3/2011 6:54:31 PM
I'm reading it now...
 IgorFrankensteen
Joined: 6/29/2009
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Atlas Shrugged - The Movie (Part 1)
Posted: 5/3/2011 8:57:54 PM
"do the liberal thing and regurgitate the opinions of others as your own..."

As is well documented, conservatives NEVER quote each other and pretend to believe the same thing.
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