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 CMonster
Joined: 12/4/2004
Msg: 126
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Then we can take for granted that no incumbant from the executive branch thru local government will be getting your vote???

Can't fault him though, constantly lying and having no idea of reality are requirements for being elected nowadays. Maybe Congress can all agree on that.

Nahhhhhhhh......
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 127
If you could do it again: Would you vote for Obama Today?
Posted: 8/4/2011 5:37:52 AM
From todays NYT's:

Even with the economy in a funk and many Americans pulling back on spending, the rich are again buying designer clothing, luxury cars and about anything that catches their fancy. Luxury goods stores, which fared much worse than other retailers in the recession, are more than recovering — they are zooming. Many high-end businesses are even able to mark up, rather than discount, items to attract customers who equate quality with price.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/04/business/sales-of-luxury-goods-are-recovering-strongly.html



Seems that the Reganomics of trickle down economics is working quite nicely for the wealthy....in about 10 years from now...when the full effects of the mess Bush left us in has abated...the effects of trickle down economics should reach us...or not.
 4rumninja
Joined: 11/30/2009
Msg: 128
If you could do it again: Would you vote for Obama Today?
Posted: 8/4/2011 6:11:47 AM
You mean the Mess that Obama has made worse don't you?

What Policies has Obama implemented that have had a positive effect on the Economy? He has had over 2 and 1/2 years to do something and he has spent over 1 Trillion dollars, to what end?

You all continue to blame Bush, ...that dog don't hunt anymore! .... Obamas policies have failed

Maybe if he hadn't spend so much time trying to pass a Health Care bill that only a select few wanted he could have devoted much needed attention to the Economy..

Funny to see him act like he cares about Unemployment now that we are getting close to an election year..

Why is it so difficult for Liberals to admit that Obama has not been effective?

"It was worse than we thought" is not an answer..they had all the answers when they were campaigning and during his first several months...remember being told how brilliant Obama was and how he would appoint the most qualified people to help him overcome his lack of experience?

The problem isn't that he doesn't know the right thing to do to put us on the right track to Recovery, it is that his Liberal Agenda gets in the way of it.

just another example of a politician making promises that he could not and had no desire to keep...

Quoting the New York times is no better than quoting the Huffington Post..Liberal Agenda driven reporting....
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 129
If you could do it again: Would you vote for Obama Today?
Posted: 8/4/2011 6:47:08 AM

You all continue to blame Bush, ...that dog don't hunt anymore!


Right you are...now we have the terrorist teapublicans to blame for a dysfunctional government...shutting down state governments and dayum near ruining the good faith and credit of these United States.
 CMonster
Joined: 12/4/2004
Msg: 130
If you could do it again: Would you vote for Obama Today?
Posted: 8/4/2011 9:18:07 AM
Seems that the Reganomics of trickle down economics is working quite nicely for the wealthy....in about 10 years from now...when the full effects of the mess Bush left us in has abated...the effects of trickle down economics should reach us...or not.

So you'd prefer that people not spend their money and not put anything back into the economy? And how would this help?

You realize that taxes are collected when people buy things, right? Perhaps retailers should layoff more workers so that people can continue complaining.

Take a look at who is actually buying most of these goods in the US, foreign travelers. This is also true with real estate purchases. Consider what would happen if they chose not to buy here in the states.
 CMonster
Joined: 12/4/2004
Msg: 131
If you could do it again: Would you vote for Obama Today?
Posted: 8/4/2011 1:07:40 PM
Alright; the market has closed with the DOW dropping over 500 points. Are people happy now?
 itechman63
Joined: 7/7/2005
Msg: 132
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Posted: 8/4/2011 3:59:30 PM
Yes the DOW is down... see Europe. And why wouldn't there be recession fears in the US... significant manufacturing is in Asia folks and there's no need for it to come back here. If not for the tech boom of the late-90's we'd be in our 20th year of recession. Maybe the Trickle Down theory doesn't kick in until it's 5th decade? We can keep clinging to that failure for a little while longer can't we?

We have got to find a way to make US manufacturing attractive to Corporations as opposed to manufacturing overseas and until that happens this is a cycle with few miniscule peaks nowhere close to what it will take to see an actual recovery. And I guarantee you that the trickle down myth... this belief that pandering to the Corporations will create jobs here out of some sort of obligation... will not allow an actual recovery to occur. How many decades of failure does it take to see that? When you give everything away, you have no room to offer incentives.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 133
If you could do it again: Would you vote for Obama Today?
Posted: 8/4/2011 7:15:18 PM
"We have got to find a way to make US manufacturing attractive to Corporations as opposed to manufacturing overseas and until that happens this is a cycle with few miniscule peaks nowhere close to what it will take to see an actual recovery."

How are we going to do that? I got an idea, let's require every company to make health insurance available to employees and if they don't we'll fine them $2000 per employee per year. I got another idea, let's single out certain industries, say oil, and prevent them from deducting legitimate businesses expenses available to every other industry. I got one more idea that small pharmaceutics companies will love. Let's make the drug approval process so onerous that it only costs a billion dollars to get a drug approved. If it gets approved. And let's make sure that it takes at least 10 years to get through the process. With these incentives in place corporations will flee third world countries with cheap labor and beg for the US to allow them to open plants in America where they can pay people a good union wage and keep workers safe with contradictory OSHA regulations.
 Ready4SomethingFun
Joined: 3/17/2008
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Posted: 8/4/2011 10:02:03 PM
And let's not forget keeping those corporate tax rates the highest in the developed world, except for Japan.


On a bizarre sidenote:

I had to call a branch of a government agency earlier today and I got a call center in India. If our own government outsources, why are they surprised when anyone else does it.
 CMonster
Joined: 12/4/2004
Msg: 135
If you could do it again: Would you vote for Obama Today?
Posted: 8/5/2011 12:33:42 AM
We have got to find a way to make US manufacturing attractive to Corporations as opposed to manufacturing overseas and until that happens this is a cycle with few miniscule peaks nowhere close to what it will take to see an actual recovery.

Newsflash, The US cannot compete with less expensive, higher skilled manufacturing labor of other countries. Other than a handful of foreign owned auto plants, the US doesn't make any tangible products other than junk food. The industrial age ended in the US in the 70's yet there are still people attempting to work as if we were still the industrial powerhouse of the world.

All that's left for the US is innovation. New products based on scientific discoveries is what is left that we can compete on a global scale and actually win (with a little luck). Unfortunately the bulk of our educational system is still operating on methodologies geared towards factory work. That's the largest contribute to the economic gap between earners.

When you give everything away, you have no room to offer incentives.

Well, you should give the President a call about taking away corporate incentives. He's about to propose over $100,000,000 in tax credits to businesses that hire veterans. There's more than enough people who are adamant about the tax "loopholes" offered to businesses. I could have sworn that the President was one of them.

On a bizarre sidenote:

I had to call a branch of a government agency earlier today and I got a call center in India. If our own government outsources, why are they surprised when anyone else does it.

At least someone has finally realized that we can probably get better, more cost effective administrative services from foreign companies than our own government. Perhaps a exploratory committee should be created to research outsourcing our government administrative operations to the EU.
 woobytoodsday
Joined: 12/13/2006
Msg: 136
If you could do it again: Would you vote for Obama Today?
Posted: 8/6/2011 7:00:22 AM
At least someone has finally realized that we can probably get better, more cost effective administrative services from foreign companies than our own government.

Wish peeps would stop repeating this meme. SS costs 1% to administer, as opposed to say the Bush-proposed alternative which would have cost 9% to 12% to administer (assuming you hadn't already lost your shirt by retirement age). Business *has* to include a profit margin; governments *don't* ~~ so a BETTER alternative to turning what the gubbmint needs over to bidness would be to monitor/police government. . . .

Calling India? I spect most people do what I do. I don't call. I find a work around. When I got online in 2003, Earthlink had wonderful call centers, all in the US. I used them. A lot. They got me through the learning curve, bless 'em. Two years later, when they'd moved the whole shebang to India, it was no longer possible to get even the simplest question understood, much less answered. Now I use my local computer repair guy rather than the hours of frustration of trying to deal with language/cultural differences with someone who can't understand me and whom I can't understand. Same goes for Amazon's customer service in the Philippines.

About that time read a series of articles about a new business niche: companies who helped American companies deal with the FUs caused by their outsourcing. . . .
 CMonster
Joined: 12/4/2004
Msg: 137
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Posted: 8/6/2011 9:41:05 AM

Calling India? I spect most people do what I do.

I wonder why peeps keep assuming that India is the only country providing this service? Canada has several companies who provide excellent outsourced services, so does Australia. France and Germany are also holding their own in providing higher level services which go well beyond customer support. Software development, design and overall innovation are very impressive in these countries.

In addition to providing top notch service, their productivity per hour is much higher than here in the US AND their workers spend less time working than the typical American. Thirty-five hour work weeks, guaranteed no less than 5 weeks of vacation each year in addition to all of the national holidays.

They don't seem nearly as stressed at workers in the US. In working with them they are extremely committed to providing quality services (during business hours). This is why there are more American companies are expanding into Europe and more employees are taking the ex patriot route for a better quality of life. Decent pay, better quality of life, better schools; makes their economic problems a bit more bearable (aside from the issues in Italy and Greece).
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 138
If you could do it again: Would you vote for Obama Today?
Posted: 8/6/2011 10:00:18 AM
"Business *has* to include a profit margin; governments *don't*"

Government doesn't need a profit margin because it gets most of its revenue through theft and extortion. Even there it's pretty incompetent because it runs a deficit of over a trillion dollars each year. So then it borrows to cover the deficit and then steals and extorts more money to pay off interest to its creditors. I'd rather freely hand over money to businesses than have it stolen by the government.
 CMonster
Joined: 12/4/2004
Msg: 139
If you could do it again: Would you vote for Obama Today?
Posted: 8/6/2011 1:20:52 PM
Government doesn't need a profit margin because it gets most of its revenue through theft and extortion.

Which is the reason why Business and employees must have profits and the Government doesn't. The government exists on the back of employees and businesses. Think about it, what does the Government produce via it's own means? Just licences and permits which "allow" people to live their lives. A license to drive, a license to get married, a license to fish, a licence to do business. I think people could still get things done without all of the licenses.

I'd rather freely hand over money to businesses than have it stolen by the government.

This is why businesses prefer to give back directly to the community as opposed to allowing the Government do it for them. What would happen to the donations that a company like Target gives to communities (about $3 million dollars a week) if it were managed by the government?
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 140
If you could do it again: Would you vote for Obama Today?
Posted: 8/16/2011 5:05:36 AM
Stop Coddling the Super-Rich

By WARREN E. BUFFETT


Omaha

OUR leaders have asked for “shared sacrifice.” But when they did the asking, they spared me. I checked with my mega-rich friends to learn what pain they were expecting. They, too, were left untouched.

While the poor and middle class fight for us in Afghanistan, and while most Americans struggle to make ends meet, we mega-rich continue to get our extraordinary tax breaks. Some of us are investment managers who earn billions from our daily labors but are allowed to classify our income as “carried interest,” thereby getting a bargain 15 percent tax rate. Others own stock index futures for 10 minutes and have 60 percent of their gain taxed at 15 percent, as if they’d been long-term investors.

These and other blessings are showered upon us by legislators in Washington who feel compelled to protect us, much as if we were spotted owls or some other endangered species. It’s nice to have friends in high places.

Last year my federal tax bill — the income tax I paid, as well as payroll taxes paid by me and on my behalf — was $6,938,744. That sounds like a lot of money. But what I paid was only 17.4 percent of my taxable income — and that’s actually a lower percentage than was paid by any of the other 20 people in our office. Their tax burdens ranged from 33 percent to 41 percent and averaged 36 percent.

If you make money with money, as some of my super-rich friends do, your percentage may be a bit lower than mine. But if you earn money from a job, your percentage will surely exceed mine — most likely by a lot.

To understand why, you need to examine the sources of government revenue. Last year about 80 percent of these revenues came from personal income taxes and payroll taxes. The mega-rich pay income taxes at a rate of 15 percent on most of their earnings but pay practically nothing in payroll taxes. It’s a different story for the middle class: typically, they fall into the 15 percent and 25 percent income tax brackets, and then are hit with heavy payroll taxes to boot.

Back in the 1980s and 1990s, tax rates for the rich were far higher, and my percentage rate was in the middle of the pack. According to a theory I sometimes hear, I should have thrown a fit and refused to invest because of the elevated tax rates on capital gains and dividends.

I didn’t refuse, nor did others. I have worked with investors for 60 years and I have yet to see anyone — not even when capital gains rates were 39.9 percent in 1976-77 — shy away from a sensible investment because of the tax rate on the potential gain. People invest to make money, and potential taxes have never scared them off. And to those who argue that higher rates hurt job creation, I would note that a net of nearly 40 million jobs were added between 1980 and 2000. You know what’s happened since then: lower tax rates and far lower job creation.

Since 1992, the I.R.S. has compiled data from the returns of the 400 Americans reporting the largest income. In 1992, the top 400 had aggregate taxable income of $16.9 billion and paid federal taxes of 29.2 percent on that sum. In 2008, the aggregate income of the highest 400 had soared to $90.9 billion — a staggering $227.4 million on average — but the rate paid had fallen to 21.5 percent.

The taxes I refer to here include only federal income tax, but you can be sure that any payroll tax for the 400 was inconsequential compared to income. In fact, 88 of the 400 in 2008 reported no wages at all, though every one of them reported capital gains. Some of my brethren may shun work but they all like to invest. (I can relate to that.)

I know well many of the mega-rich and, by and large, they are very decent people. They love America and appreciate the opportunity this country has given them. Many have joined the Giving Pledge, promising to give most of their wealth to philanthropy. Most wouldn’t mind being told to pay more in taxes as well, particularly when so many of their fellow citizens are truly suffering.

Twelve members of Congress will soon take on the crucial job of rearranging our country’s finances. They’ve been instructed to devise a plan that reduces the 10-year deficit by at least $1.5 trillion. It’s vital, however, that they achieve far more than that. Americans are rapidly losing faith in the ability of Congress to deal with our country’s fiscal problems. Only action that is immediate, real and very substantial will prevent that doubt from morphing into hopelessness. That feeling can create its own reality.

Job one for the 12 is to pare down some future promises that even a rich America can’t fulfill. Big money must be saved here. The 12 should then turn to the issue of revenues. I would leave rates for 99.7 percent of taxpayers unchanged and continue the current 2-percentage-point reduction in the employee contribution to the payroll tax. This cut helps the poor and the middle class, who need every break they can get.

But for those making more than $1 million — there were 236,883 such households in 2009 — I would raise rates immediately on taxable income in excess of $1 million, including, of course, dividends and capital gains. And for those who make $10 million or more — there were 8,274 in 2009 — I would suggest an additional increase in rate.

My friends and I have been coddled long enough by a billionaire-friendly Congress. It’s time for our government to get serious about shared sacrifice.


Warren E. Buffett is the chairman and chief executive of Berkshire Hathaway.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddling-the-super-rich.html?_r=1&emc=eta1&pagewanted=print

Buffet must be one of them bleeding heart liberals who's dayum near marxist, socialist, communist.
 CMonster
Joined: 12/4/2004
Msg: 141
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Posted: 8/16/2011 6:36:05 AM

Buffet must be one of them bleeding heart liberals who's dayum near marxist, socialist, communist.

A. He could have paid more if he really wanted to by making a donation to the IRS.
B. He's giving the majority of his fortune away to charities but no mention about giving any of it to the IRS. Makes you wonder if he prefers having a say in where his money would be best used by those in need. This probably does not include funding wars or bailing out the Government's misuse of taxes.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 142
If you could do it again: Would you vote for Obama Today?
Posted: 8/16/2011 7:04:11 AM
^^^after reading the above response...I wondered...why didn't he challange Mr.Buffets birthright????
 unYOUsual
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 143
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Posted: 8/16/2011 9:18:30 AM
After reading the above post.. I wonder why didn't he address the post instead of trying to marginalize the poster???....Obviously most of you who voted for Obama will do so no matter how bad a job he is doing,,,it may be arrogance, denial or maybe you are still holding onto the Hope Mantra, not really sure...
As far as the BS "Shared Sacrifice".....As usual you Liberals have used misleading words to manipulate the masses....there is no shared in "Shared Sacrifice"...close to half of all Americans don't pay any Income tax, if you were really interested in "Fairness" you would be advocating for making every able bodied person work and for every person to pay Income tax without receiving any refunds from the IRS...not to mention all of the Illegal immigrants who pay no Income tax but manage to take advantage of many governmental services.

HONESTY___Liberals don't think there should be Rich or Poor....so in an effort to make things "Fair' they want to take from the "Rich" and give to the POOR....why not, it worked for Robin Hood?
 CMonster
Joined: 12/4/2004
Msg: 144
If you could do it again: Would you vote for Obama Today?
Posted: 8/16/2011 2:10:08 PM
^^^after reading the above response...I wondered...why didn't he challange Mr.Buffets birthright????

It's hard to tell who's trying to grab more of the spotlight of the uninformed, you or Trump.

I say people should consider Howard Schultz's idea to stop donating to political campaigns until the Government produces a long term plan which repair the deficit in a manner which is truly equitable and cost effective.
 FrankNStein902
Joined: 12/26/2009
Msg: 145
If you could do it again: Would you vote for Obama Today?
Posted: 8/16/2011 2:28:02 PM

As far as the BS "Shared Sacrifice".....As usual you Liberals have used misleading words to manipulate the masses....there is no shared in "Shared Sacrifice"...close to half of all Americans don't pay any Income tax,...

Congratulations on your own BS.

Not 50% but ~38% of households have zero or negative income tax liability, but they do pay other federal taxes and by share of income is a much higher rate than any other group.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/11/americans-paying-no-taxes/




...if you were really interested in "Fairness" you would be advocating for making every able bodied person work and for every person to pay Income tax without receiving any refunds from the IRS...

Yeah like the billionaires would ever let that happen.




...not to mention all of the Illegal immigrants who pay no Income tax but manage to take advantage of many governmental services.

100% Hyperbole.




HONESTY___Liberals don't think there should be Rich or Poor....so in an effort to make things "Fair' they want to take from the "Rich" and give to the POOR....why not, it worked for Robin Hood?

So you think it is ok from the rich to take from the poor though?

It is currently working right now for the top 1%, so well in fact they have people that are not even close to their bracket defending them.
 CMonster
Joined: 12/4/2004
Msg: 146
If you could do it again: Would you vote for Obama Today?
Posted: 8/16/2011 3:16:17 PM

...if you were really interested in "Fairness" you would be advocating for making every able bodied person work and for every person to pay Income tax without receiving any refunds from the IRS...


Yeah like the billionaires would ever let that happen.

Actually, most billionaires wouldn't care if that happened. Now many Millionaires on the other hand, would take issue with that idea.

So you think it is ok from the rich to take from the poor though?

That's not how the system works. The system takes first from able bodied workers then it takes from people who take financial risks and come out ahead. Nothing is taken from the poor because, quite frankly, they do not have enough to take.

It is currently working right now for the top 1%, so well in fact they have people that are not even close to their bracket defending them.

If they've done the preparatory work necessary to accumulate wealth, why not? Should people who choose not to put forth what's necessary to build wealth?

There are no laws in the US which prevents anyone from legally making a boatload of money. Everyone is allowed to do it if they choose to.

People make it out seem as if it is a sin for people to work hard and make a fortune. It's almost as if they'd prefer if people settle for what the average person earns because they choose not to take risks.

Thousands of people a year take the risk to leave their countries and come to the US because they can believe that they can make a fortune here just by being willing to put forth the effort. I applaud immigrants (who come here legally), and create viable businesses for themselves and become wealthy. It's a shame that more Americans choose not to put forth the same effort. It's what our Forefathers did to create this country.

What's worse is that there would be so much more support available to people who truly need it if only the Government would stop wasting so much on managing their own system and giving away so much in aide to other countries when so much is needed here in America.

It's frustrating to see so much mismanagement for so long and people who are risk-adverse feeling that others should bare the brunt of crappy management. It's evil if mismanaged corporations receive bailouts but it's alright for the US Government to receive them? Entities that take on risk should carry the burden of their failure and reap the benefits of their success.
 FrankNStein902
Joined: 12/26/2009
Msg: 147
If you could do it again: Would you vote for Obama Today?
Posted: 8/16/2011 3:41:29 PM

If they've done the preparatory work necessary to accumulate wealth, why not? Should people who choose not to put forth what's necessary to build wealth?

No one is saying you can not accumulate wealth, I think what people are saying is play by the same rules as everyone else.




There are no laws in the US which prevents anyone from legally making a boatload of money. Everyone is allowed to do it if they choose to.

Actually at one time there was.

But someone found away around them, thanks to a court reporter error either intentional or otherwise.




People make it out seem as if it is a sin for people to work hard and make a fortune. It's almost as if they'd prefer if people settle for what the average person earns because they choose not to take risks.

People also make it out to seem like it is ok to denies people basic rights but asking someone with exponentially more money to pay their fair share is a crime.




Thousands of people a year take the risk to leave their countries and come to the US because they can believe that they can make a fortune here just by being willing to put forth the effort. I applaud immigrants (who come here legally), and create viable businesses for themselves and become wealthy. It's a shame that more Americans choose not to put forth the same effort. It's what our Forefathers did to create this country.

I would say what your forefathers did would be a bit more like what the illegals would be doing, with the exception that the illegals are not killing people that get in they way of prosperity at nearly the same rate.
 CMonster
Joined: 12/4/2004
Msg: 148
If you could do it again: Would you vote for Obama Today?
Posted: 8/16/2011 4:32:26 PM
No one is saying you can not accumulate wealth, I think what people are saying is play by the same rules as everyone else.

But they are the same rules. There aren't two sets of tax laws, everyone is entitled to every tax law. If people would spend a fraction of the time learning the laws and manage their finances, they too can claim the same benefits. The President did and no one is complaining.

Actually at one time there was.

But someone found away around them, thanks to a court reporter error either intentional or otherwise.

I have to look into that, you aren't talking about Jim Crow are you?

People also make it out to seem like it is ok to denies people basic rights but asking someone with exponentially more money to pay their fair share is a crime.

Alright, point out who is prohibiting people (actually stopping them) from basic rights as earning a living, securing housing, having children, etc. And how does one group who pays 15% of their income towards taxes fair when others are paying 25, 30, 35% or more? Why is it that the only way for a person to pay less income tax is by making less money? I thought the whole idea of us establishing this country was because of things like unfair taxation.

I would say what your forefathers did would be a bit more like what the illegals would be doing, with the exception that the illegals are not killing people that get in they way of prosperity at nearly the same rate.

You do have a point there. At least today's government isn't killing anyone to get what they want. They're smart enough to realize that if they did, they'd be cannibalizing their means of sustaining their system.
 unYOUsual
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 149
If you could do it again: Would you vote for Obama Today?
Posted: 8/17/2011 5:51:16 AM

So you think it is ok from the rich to take from the poor though?
what do the "rich" take from the poor? They provide jobs, they pay millions in taxes while the poor over utilize services provided through taxation which the rich under utilize...


No one is saying you can not accumulate wealth, I think what people are saying is play by the same rules as everyone else.
They do play by the same rules, if a Poor person were to start a business, take the risk, grow the business and succeed that person would be able to take advantage of whatever tax advantages there are at his new income level..

Maybe we should start with your definition of Fair...

even if a "rich" person paid a little lower percentage in Income tax they still pay many times more in actual dollars than the average person...so is it fair that one person pays 6,000,000 a year while another pays 6,000 ?

If you join a GYM and you had to pay $200 a month for your membership, but another member only had to pay $2 a month for the same membership because they made a little less than you, is that Fair?

If you went to a Restaurant and had to pay $20 for your steak dinner, but another person who made a little less income only had to pay 2 cents for the same steak dinner is that fair?
 FrankNStein902
Joined: 12/26/2009
Msg: 150
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Posted: 8/17/2011 6:26:19 AM

But they are the same rules. There aren't two sets of tax laws, everyone is entitled to every tax law. If people would spend a fraction of the time learning the laws and manage their finances, they too can claim the same benefits. The President did and no one is complaining.

So you are saying that someone that earns $35k can claim the same benefits and take advantage of the same loopholes as someone that earns 1Milllion plus?




I have to look into that, you aren't talking about Jim Crow are you?

No.

Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad





...what do the "rich" take from the poor? They provide jobs, they pay millions in taxes while the poor over utilize services provided through taxation which the rich under utilize...

Pareto efficiency.

Look it up and learn it, it may help you sound like you have some idea what you are talking about in the future.





Long and Short of it, money most flow both ways for society to work.

For to long the ultra rich have been hoarding the cash and not creating jobs thus getting your county into the situation it is now.

You wouldn't need massive benefits to poor people if they were paid a decent wage.

You wouldn't need stimulus to put people to work if the "job creators" actually created jobs.


So Stop blaming the poor people for a problem created by the rich.
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