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 UnixGrand
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In my opinion it all comes back full circle to greed being the root of evil.


Money is the root of all evil. Just like the song goes, "For the Love of Money".



Greed? Which organisations have consistently sought influence and wealth they didn't deserve? Monarchies and Churches. What would Jesus think of the vatican?



Sorry to say that Jesus would not like the way evil men twisted this religion of ours. I am a Catholic. So I can say that the Vatican is run like a business. Men run that company. Not God.
 Cdn_Iceman
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Posted: 6/23/2011 12:49:25 PM

Money is the root of all evil. Just like the song goes, "For the Love of Money".
Yet the O jays made lots of money from the single, how hypocritical eh? wow

Money isnt the root of evil ,it should read the lack of money is the root of all evil, If a honest person , has integrity and all around good person comes across lots of money, they become more generous, it doesn't change them, give a bad person or a person of questionable character lots of money they become a tyrant, money worshiper etc.

Its like celebrities like Alex Lifeson and Geddy Lee of Rush, Grant Hill and Steve Nash of the Pheonix Suns, Mike Clemons among the few, do you hear many stories about these folks? no because the media finds them boring, no dirt on them because they live non exciting lives for celebrities including a fellow which most dont remember Monty Hall, here's a guy who was on top of the world way back in the 70's and is married to the same woman, has normal children and continues to be one of those Celebrities you rarely hear bad things about, no infidelity, drug problems, booze problems etc.
 RichenLosAngeles
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Posted: 6/23/2011 12:58:09 PM
If no one had mined those diamonds, then no one would be getting paid to mine those diamonds.
How does that help anybody?
 UnixGrand
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Posted: 6/23/2011 1:03:55 PM
Yet the O jays made lots of money from the single, how hypocritical eh? wow


Cdn_Iceman In this country, people put down all kinds of addictions. Drug addictions, sexual addictions, alcoholic addictions, and some that make no sense but to the person who created it. I think one to add to this list is Wealth addiction. Don't get me wrong.... there is nothing wrong with making money, or having a career that gives you all the security in the world monetarily. But people are Greedy. People who have loads of money NEED more money. They don't feel they have done enough if they haven't screwed people out of their life savings. Bernie Madoff for one. Why can't we have more business people like Bill Gates. He turned everything he worked hard, and ruthless for into a philanthropic venture to save people. Also like Warren Buffett, and Bill Clinton who heads the CGI to aid people all over the world. People can talk all they want about Clinton, and what he did while in office. He sure is showing everyone what he is capable of. I'm not even a Democrat.
 Cdn_Iceman
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Posted: 6/23/2011 1:26:37 PM

Truly amazing how a couple of you guys can't seem to grasp the concept of " if one person has more - someone else has less.

Iceman, yay you for your obvious success given the rules we had put before us but seriously dude the fact that you can't equate that we here in the western world are very much responsible for that starving child in a third world.
Where did the diamonds come from in your rolex, eh? Or maybe the company you may buy your suits from that used slave labour somewhere else in the world.
Really? Do you really wish to come across that obtuse?

You really are part of the problem.
I dont own a watch and definitely wouldn't own a Rolex, now for my suits okay, I dont know if my Brioni's or Tom Ford's were made by children in third world countries I have no idea but So what if they made them, they've done a good job, I rather see a child in one of those countries work in factories for dollars a day vs begging ,stealing in the streets for pennies a day.

Second Please don’t go around with a sense of moral superiority while taking away the only means for some people to survive. I'd rather a child work than die of starvation.

Im going to assume you have a computer, lap top, you buy your clothes from Walmart, where do you think these things comes from? a little hypocritical I say

Also I think you’re confused about utility and selfishness. I personally take pleasure in making others lives better, but that is a choice I made, and not one forced upon me.

I personally take pleasure in the welfare of my mother when she's old and feeble I would take it upon myself to house/feed her and give her the luxuries that she afforded me. This isn’t contrary to arguments of capitalism. All men are created equal in capacity, but some have better luck than others. it is not the government’s responsibility to equal out the luck allocation. That would be egalitarianism, and has been shown to be ineffective.

What have you done to help rid the world of poverty?

UnixGrand, I dont know why people keep bringing up Madoff, Madoff was a crook, that go away with what he did so long because of friends he had in the government, he's no different then the Mobsters even fictitious Mobsters like Tony Soprano , You know more people knows more about La Cosa Nostra and roots for them, and what do they do?
Ive heard more people can name the 5 families of New York vs whats in their own financial portfolio.


Are some business people bad, that goes without saying, and Im glad you brought up Gates, Buffett and people like that, yet guys like Kissmyasthmas dont talk about them ? why? its better to go after someone else like the Madoff's , that has nothing to do with Capitalism, Madoff is a example of ba stard that only cared about one thing, big difference between the Madoff's and the Gates or Buffetts of the world, but do we talk about them except oh its about time because they are billionaires ?

 FrankNStein902
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Posted: 6/23/2011 2:27:34 PM

That is because that "concept' is false, and holds no truth whatsoever. The ONLY way that would be true is if ALL economies remained the same size as they always have been, and not GROWN or EXPANDED at all. That would require a starting point, and then no more growth. What would happen then is while populations grow, each person would have just that little bit less, based on a pro-rata share.......... sorry, I think I just went over your head.

So then how do you explain the net worth of the middle class dropping while the net worth of the top 1% grows?

Unless of course your idea is false and holds no truth whatsoever.




Since you cannot seem to grasp the very simple concept that the total size of the economic pie is growing, then there really is no need to try to explain it to you further, as you will not, or refuse to see, reality.

Coming from the person that does not know the difference between market share and profit margin that is a pretty bold statement.

In the United States, wealth is highly concentrated in a relatively few hands. As of 2007, the top 1% of households (the upper class) owned 34.6% of all privately held wealth, and the next 19% (the managerial, professional, and small business stratum) had 50.5%, which means that just 20% of the people owned a remarkable 85%, leaving only 15% of the wealth for the bottom 80% (wage and salary workers). In terms of financial wealth (total net worth minus the value of one's home), the top 1% of households had an even greater share: 42.7%. Table 1 and Figure 1 present further details drawn from the careful work of economist Edward N. Wolff at New York University (2010).


http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

There are some pretty pie charts for you to look at as well which also shows the trend of the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer.
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Posted: 6/23/2011 2:30:41 PM
Many feel that the economic pie has peaked, and there are increasing numbers of slices missing, till the pie is ate, and we're all left a bit hungry in short order. The American economy considered via EROI. Your thoughts?
http://www.alternet.org/story/151191/
Get past the salmon...it's the buildup to the energy story today..
 Cdn_Iceman
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Posted: 6/24/2011 6:34:35 AM

Iceman, I have read some of your previous posts concerning some of the good things you in the past here in the forums so please do not look at this as any kind of personal attack. The point of what many are saying is that although you may go out of your way to do good things much of how western society lives their lifestyle has been at the detriment of others.
Until recently these factors are coming to light. Previously many third world peoples were seen as savages and only born to this earth for us to take advantage of and for a good period of time without any sense of guilt or personal involvement.
Options for living a carbon free lifestyle or ethically fair lifestyle are quite limited to most when you are born into the west. Like I have stated before the rules are pretty much layed out for you and in order to be a good citizen (consumer) you play the game which is why I have also stated that we as westerners are very good at being oblivious to the effects our way of life may have on those that are not from the west.
while I appreciate what you're saying Kissmyasthma, at the same time I must say Im not concerned with what others are doing? I live my life by a certain code and I know others has too, I cant be concerned with what the Madoff's of the world do , or Mobsters , or other folks of non integrity does, at the end of the day as long as I can look in the mirror at my self and sleep at night that's fine by me.

For instance you mentioned Walmart, I rarely go to Walmart , cant remember the last time I was in a Walmart, I dont shop there because of their business practice I dont know what their business practice is, I do know it doesn't appeal to me and I know it serves a purpose and at the end of the day I also choose not to invest in Walmart for the same reasons.

Look .... are there unscrupulous people out there? of course there has been unscrupulous folks are there since the beginning of time, but as soon as one mentions Capitalism they throw out names like Madoff, and Corporations run by idiots that exploits people for profit like the ass holes on Wall Street and Bay street in Toronto, but do they talk about the Dell's Buffett's, Slim's, Patterson,Steve Job's of the world? nope.

People talk about what's ethically fair, and how can you help the poor in third world countries, I say dont talk about it DO SOMETHING about it, if they are worried about child labour stop buying products from third world, throw out your computers, certain clothing that are manufacturing in these countries, dont invest in corporations that has manufacturing plants there.

People talk about the environment yet drive cars, take public transit, boats, planes etc, electricity in their homes etc etc etc. the list goes on.

More and more wealthy people are giving to help out the poor, they are trying to do under the radar to avoid publicity, big difference between being philanthropic vs altruism and doing it for the attention eg, Angeline Jolie types, she can be the ambassador of the poor and adopt all the kids she wants at the end of the day when she's making 20 million a picture how much of that does she give without the media spotlight?

I know wealthy people and believe me when I say this, they Give but chooses to do with anonymity
 xlr8ingmargo
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Posted: 6/24/2011 8:03:31 AM
Dont blame corporations like Wal-Mart for the way they do business in this country.
Current legislation allows for them to do so. Shopping and working there is like a trap our government seems to want lower income America to stay in. It adds to the separation of the classes. Even the wealthy today are feeling the crunch of this economic crisis and choosing to shop at chain stores such as Wal-Mart to save money.
Its sad to me when I see someone driving a Beemer sporting Fendi shopping there.
How can an entire economic class of Americans afford to shop else where when they barely make enough to pay their bills? Lower income America is the majority these days if you have not noticed. They are not concerned with child labor in other countries but if they still can find a job here with enough pay to feed themselves.

I help when ever I can as I always have and Im poor these days in comparison. Today we all have to stick together to make it by helping one another.
 Cdn_Iceman
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Posted: 6/24/2011 12:38:24 PM

This trap you speak was not brought about by government it was self inflicted by consumers who kept thinking they deserved a lower price for a better product which resulted in outsourcing of local jobs to cheap labour locations around the world.
We have brought this upon ourselves.
Nice try on that one, you want to blame the consumer for wanting to save money and stretch their dollar as far as possible, and companies that has high legacy costs and bad management cant figure out how to get the product to the market cheaper is the consumers fault? I dont see the logic in that one.


And really to say that you would rather a young child work as opposed to getting an education and being a kid is rather cold, no?
Re read what I said S L O W L Y, what did I actually say?

Second, where do you think these kids in third world countries or more like how do you think they are going to get a education when they barely have enough food to eat? how are they going to get to school? taxi, school bus? horse, pony , camel? tell me.

Going by your example " education" why are there so many " ghetto's " in the America? They have access to free education....


Tell me iceman, you seem to be the type that dines out in upper scale dining.
Have you at all noticed how certain fish are just not on menus anymore - oh right that would only be at restaurants that give a crap or perhaps you have chosen not to notice that either.
Where are going with this? Ive been racking my brain over this post.

Im not going to address the investment part because its irrelevant , it has nothing to do with the conversation, you want to be pissed at people with money, start with the government officials, they have money most of them, none of them are giving their own money to help the " poor" but they sure like to talk about it.
 jay.m83
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Posted: 6/24/2011 3:11:33 PM
Is everyone just a little out of step here?


Nope, just you, you don't have any idea how an economy works. BTW, I'm middle class, I make slightly less than 30 grand a year, and I know you are full of shit. Incorporating socialism into capitalism is what is screwing the middle class.

This video explains it in pure hilarity. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz2p4EQtEXs

Basically, if you have any conception of a metaphor, is you see that this is exactly what xlr8ingmargo was talking about, everyone will eventually start feeling the crunch. It starts small, But as you start giving more and more pie to the people who aren't earning their pie, then less and less people will have pie that they can share.

If we all stopped paying so much in taxes, and stopped bailing out every corporation that fucked themselves over, then most of the problem would be resolved.
 jay.m83
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Posted: 6/24/2011 3:29:56 PM

But people are Greedy.


I strongly disagree with this one. Some people are greedy sure. And the ones who are greedy usually makes the headlines, because its great news. Its funny how the news can skew someones perception of reality. You need look no further than a man like Bill Gates to prove that just because someone has money doesn't mean they are greedy, He donates a lot to trying to help feed the 3rd world.

You see 3 news articles a year on some evil ****ing CEO swindle money and then you think that every capitalist is ****ing Mr. Burns. BULLSHIT. Who donates the most money to the Poor? Rich people. Who employs the most. Rich people.

I believe that of the 6 billion people on this planet, if you round up the number, about 6 billion are good. Maybe people with more money than you would be more apt to help, if say, they WERN'T FORCED BY THE GOVERNMENT TO DO SO ALREADY!
 FrankNStein902
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Posted: 6/24/2011 3:31:37 PM

If we all stopped paying so much in taxes, and stopped bailing out every corporation that ****ed themselves over, then most of the problem would be resolved.

Also not a bad idea to remove the prison for profit system and keep / enhance social programs.


Report: Private Prisons Love Mass Incarceration, And Want Politicians To Love It Too

Ryan J. Reilly | June 24, 2011, 5:45AM

Private prison companies have helped fuel government policies which lead to an increase in prison population and boost their profits, according to a recent report.

The private prison population has grown 353.7 percent in the past 15 years, according to a study by the Justice Policy Institute. Major private prison companies have an incentive to encourage policies which keep that number on the rise.

"Steady increases in the number of people in private prisons, especially those coming from federally contracted beds, translate into increased revenues for private prison companies," the report says.

"Since private prison companies are in the business to make money, policies that maintain or increase incarceration boost their revenues; from a business perspective, the economic and social costs of mass incarceration are 'externalities' that aren't figured into their corporate bottom line," it says.

Some of the biggest names in the private prison industry have given $835,514 to federal candidates since 2000 and a stunning $6,092,331 to state politicians in the last five elections cycles, according to data in the report.

"A lot of it is focused on the state level because a lot of the people in prison are in state facilities," Paul Ashton, an author of the report, told TPM.

"With most states and the federal government operating under record deficits and decreasing budgets, private prison companies have a growing desire to establish influential connections with policymakers, with two goals: pitching private prisons as a lower cost alternative to building or maintaining state facilities; and fighting policies that might reduce the use of incarceration," the report states.

The report also points to the revolving door between the private prison companies and the government agencies that have a say in their spending.

One recent example: Harley Lappin, who retired as head of the Bureau of Prisons after he was arrested for drunk driving, was recently named the chief corrections officer at the Corrections Corporation of America (CCA), the largest provider of private prisons to federal, state and local government. Lappin said in a press release announcing his new position that the company "has an outstanding track record of working well with its government partners as they strive to set the highest standards in the administration of a correctional system."


http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/06/report_private_prisons_love_mass_incarceration_and_want_politicians_to_as_well.php?ref=mblt
 jay.m83
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Posted: 6/24/2011 3:55:25 PM
Well, I agree with you kinda.

That article is laid out to make you believe private prison owners are the evil ones. When its the government. The amount of laws, especially those that can put you in jail, is a farce. Private or public anything is going to want to make money. Do you think the government is there because it truly cares about your well being? Hell no, they put up with you because there is still a little sheet of paper saying that you have the right to vote. For now.

The more control the government has in our lives the worse of a problem things like this will be.
 jay.m83
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Posted: 6/24/2011 4:13:24 PM
Who says we want them to be the fry guy? Everyone wants to achieve great things and have their loved ones achieve great things? Why are you blaming Menial jobs on pay way too much for what they are worth? Name a few and maybe I can explain them. I can name A LOT of government jobs that are worthless, and could be done far better and cheaper and more efficient if it was handled by a group of corporations. Like say, EVERYTHING!


<div class="quote">Capitalism is based upon some belief that all resources are unlimited and it seems that many are brainwashed into the same belief.

You are thinking about Communism. You know the marxist socialists! I know its easy to get those C words mixed up

Capitalism is actually based on equality and personal freedom. You know if you ever read history and know that is exactly what the war that spawned capitalism was about. Sleep through history in high school?

It was when we started pumping the socialism thing in, that stuff started to get messed. Thank you Woodrow Wilson.

Correction: You're description for Capitalism closer reflects Fascism, who coincidentally enough, were also Socialists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXHz4weJRtI&feature=related
 FrankNStein902
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Posted: 6/24/2011 4:23:19 PM
It was when we started pumping the socialism thing in, that stuff started to get messed. Thank you Woodrow Wilson.

Yep it is the poor peoples fault.


Now, who's fault is it that we have poor people?
 Cdn_Iceman
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Posted: 6/24/2011 4:42:32 PM

Now, who's fault is it that we have poor people?
FranknStein, that's part of the problem right there,why does it have to be someone fault? some one has to be blamed right ? no one takes responsibility.

For all those that b!tches about Capitalism being the culprit and makes people poor, you need to really to give your head a good shake and lay off the fried chicken for a while and stop listening to the left wing morons that has no friggen clue, most of them cannot find their ass with both hands on a good day.

Why are there so many poor in Africa? Africa has been stuck in a rut. Corrupt politicians that are more interested in tribal living and anti-West dogma. Their markets are closed for business and that is why the people in those countries have the lowest standards of living on the planet. And just consider the fact that Africa is the most resource rich continent on the planet and it's also dirt poor.

Countries like Egypt are a proxy for the problems that plague the middle east these are largely closed economies , practicing policies of protectionism ,they don’t allow foreign investment, goods,capital etc.

Middle east GDP is approximately the same as Canada, Canada has 34 million people and the Middle east 335 million You do the math. Any where that government practices protectionism produces poverty , so again who is to blame for the poverty?

Answer me this, why is there so many poor in America, one of the riches Countries in the world.
 jay.m83
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Posted: 6/24/2011 4:43:31 PM
Of course its not the poor people's fault, that is rather understating a lot. Government, Not poor people, ****ing government. The only people I have ever blamed for anything around here is the government. Why do people think I blame poor people for being poor? No ****ing government. Federal reserve act, income tax, just keeps us all in debt. Start redistributing money, and you are going to create more homeless, or more people that need pie. See above video. All you are trying to do is force compassion. That is what government is. Force. And you just can't do that. Its wrong. I fully support private charities. I donate to whatever I can, if I can, and I wish I could donate more. But I pay for a whole lot of charities at the barrel of a gun from the government. And I don't believe in a lot of them. I think if you want to help the poor, then you should help the poor. Not complain on an internet forum, that the government isn't forcing people to help the poor. Compassion brought to you by the IRS.
 FrankNStein902
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Posted: 6/24/2011 8:10:42 PM

Answer me this, why is there so many poor in America, one of the riches Countries in the world.

Well that depends and what you consider to be many and your criteria for poor is but I think I can take a stab for ya.

Now it is too long of a story to post here but it starts like this:


Long time ago some people who where a bit too religiously get kicked out of England, some time later some rich white guys who wanted to avoid taxes formed a government....

The rest writes itself, but what ever you do, don't read the winners account of it, as it is somewhat bias.


Not much has changed since the rich guys got the ball rolling, the rich are still running the show.


There are more poor because when you design a system that feeds off others if you do not truly let the money trickle down the feeder stock is no good to you anymore.

It is like farming with out fertilizing your crops.

Eventually your soil is no good.
 Cdn_Iceman
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Posted: 6/24/2011 9:00:16 PM
FrankNStein, if you're going to tell a story make sure you have the facts son, Im amazed you can post that with a straight face.

Love the rich white guy part, that was funny, well lets look at the world's 10 Wealthiest
1) a Mexican
In the top ten, you have 4 Americans, 2 from India, 1 from France 1 Brazil and one from Spain, how many white folks on that list?

I dont find fault in the poor in the third world countries, they dont know better, and through Education ( financial education) some will emerge, like they are doing in the BRIC
countries.

I find fault in a lot of poor folks living In America or Canada, that doesn't make sense, a country so rich yet there are poor people?

Look at the people that whines about " Oh Im underpaid even though they earn 40 dollars an hour plus, yet whine because they live off of credit and the has the gall to demand the owners of the business to cut them a piece of the profits because they cant handle money and they think that they are entitled to it? what f uckin nerve.

Why do you think the wealthy are wealthy Frank? its because they take calculated risk, they know and understand its the private sector that creates Jobs, creating jobs creates wealth, the rest of the non wealthy folks looks for jobs, most are underpaid, cant handle credit, whines about there isn't a piece of pie because the greedy ba stards took more of the pie, A pie which the Capitalist baked in the first place put their capital in , their vision
But the government says, " sorry Bud, I know you baked the pie and too friggen bad and we are going to bend you over and give it to you up the ass"

The working class doesn't take risk, they prefer safety and comfort and pay cheques and as long as there are home in time to watch " American idol or lost "or what ever is on the tube today and the beer for sunday afternoon football, life is okay to them until the bills starts coming in

The nine most frightening words in the English dictionary" Im from the government and Im here to help"
 aremeself
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Posted: 6/24/2011 11:44:27 PM
actually too much use of fertilizer helps STERILIZE the soil.

david susuki is starting to see that it's the faulty ways of the world, not over population that is the problem.
 xlr8ingmargo
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Posted: 6/25/2011 12:42:01 AM
Iceman now I know how you gave yourself your name.
Do you really believe people living below the poverty guidelines in this country whine about being poor or uneducated? You think its because they dont take risks? In my opinion your statements are quite arrogant. Calculated risks dont always make a profit. The vast majority are not deep in debt, but unlike middle America are debt free because they do not have credit to be. Many dont have time nor care to watch television because they cant afford the extra bill. Whats frightening is your attitude.
Many have a great education the problem is there arent any jobs. The stress of driving two hours for work (any work) and transportation costs have driven many families apart. You dont see what is happening around you because you choose to be blind to it. I have lived on both sides of the track being raised on the north shore of Long Island where the taxes on the house I was raised in are more than what I now make a year. Is that by choice or by the need to survive? Im thankful I have a job; ANY job.
So are many Americans that have lost their homes, jobs, and everything they knew now living with their parents because they had no where else to go. Was it by choice they once made well over six figures a year and now they have had to spend what they saved for their kids to go to college just to make ends meet? You really think thats because they didnt take calculated risks? Your arrogance astounds even me.
 jay.m83
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Posted: 6/25/2011 5:10:45 AM

There are more poor because when you design a system that feeds off others if you do not truly let the money trickle down the feeder stock is no good to you anymore.


That's socialism alright.
 FrankNStein902
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Posted: 6/25/2011 6:05:45 AM
Why do you think the wealthy are wealthy Frank?

From what I have observed both personally and professionally the keys to success are as follows:

1: You must be born with the talent.

2: You must be exposed to the thing that you are talented at.

3. You must be exposed to others / mentors that can help you succeed.

4. When the bell rings you are able to answer the call.

5. You have the ability to learn from your mistakes and see them as positives and be able to learn and grow from them.


If you can satisfy those conditions then chances are you will make it big.

The only one that is not affected by your level of income is #1, everything else is strongly favored by the people with the money, which is why many (not all) poor people stay poor because of lack of opportunities and mentors.


At the end of the day it is not a competition as to who can accumulate the most wealth, if we have evolved as humans one bit it would be to at the very least provide opportunities to those less fortunate.

That in its self benefits society as it allows us to tap into our best resource, people.

Programs that expose people that would not normally have the means to things like education, music and sport will and has been proven to benefit society in the long run and I am not asking anyone other than the top 1% to kick in more as they are not paying their fair share.


With respect to government agencies:

Step 1: De-fund and or reduce the effectiveness of government agency.

Step 2: Point finger at said agency to show how ineffective they are.

Step 3: Use that to eliminate agency all together.

Step 4: profit.





That's socialism alright.

Considering the alternative (with respect to all of man kind) that is a bad thing why?

This does not keep you from getting yours, again I am talking abut the top 1%.



 Cdn_Iceman
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Posted: 6/25/2011 8:44:15 AM

Iceman now I know how you gave yourself your name.
Care to stay on topic,your opinion on how I came up a with a profile name is ?? any ways back to the topic.




Do you really believe people living below the poverty guidelines in this country whine about being poor or uneducated? You think its because they dont take risks? In my opinion your statements are quite arrogant. Calculated risks dont always make a profit
Yes they do whine well most of them do, yet do nothing about it.

I have clients that has come to Canada with no more than a few dollars, and the clothes on their back, forced to take welfare live in Subsidized housing ( what you call Ghetto's in America) then end up working 3 minimum wage jobs, jobs that most Canadians( and Americans) thinks that its way beneath them to survive but most of them end up saving enough money to move from places like that, I have the utmost respect for people like that vs the losers that whine " oh there are no jobs out there that will pay me enough to live in the house with the white picket fence and cottage up north.

Big difference between being broke vs being poor, Poor is a state of mind, Broke is because of circumstances ( eg: the economy,natural disasters,Loss of job etc) A person who is broke is trying to get out of there mess , we should be there to help, A poor person in my opinion that says " hey you have more than me give me some and doesn't want to work" is WRONG Im not talking about the person that is disabled and cant work and is forced to live in sub human conditions that is wrong, and thank God there are charities set up to help, cause the government is doing a shitty job on that front.




Many have a great education the problem is there arent any jobs. The stress of driving two hours for work (any work) and transportation costs have driven many families apart. You dont see what is happening around you because you choose to be blind to it.
Spare me the talk about no jobs, there are jobs out there, but most dont want to lower there standards , Another example I have a client in Miami, lost his foreman's job, cant find a foreman's job so he taken two jobs, both way below his usual pay, and he's on the verge of launching a business because he's figured out, that he rather be in charge of his financial destiny then to leave in in the hands of some idiot management or executive more worried about legacy costs and bonuses to them selves. I dont know if he will succeed in business, but I admire him for trying , I admire him for taking two jobs totaling half of what he's used to receiving.

There are lot of educated people working menial jobs, but the point is they chose to work at those places instead of starving was my point. I have a greater respect for someone working a job at $30,000.00 per year and barely surviving vs the idiot that earns over $50,000.00 a year and whining , the 30K a year person I can work with and help them succeed financially , I have no use for the higher income person that whines and then you realize they are the cause of their problem.

Now when I say Poor im talking about the lazy ass people that rather sponge off the system, collect their welfare and whine about it , not some one born in poverty and thinks that is a way of life, that's why private charities were set up to help those and Im for that, I dont want the government involved in helping the poor.



So are many Americans that have lost their homes, jobs, and everything they knew now living with their parents because they had no where else to go. Was it by choice they once made well over six figures a year and now they have had to spend what they saved for their kids to go to college just to make ends meet? You really think thats because they didnt take calculated risks? Your arrogance astounds even me
you're lack of financial education astounds me Margo it really does, Watch the movie by Micheal Moore on Capitalism ( which is a joke in my opinion) there was a scene where the Sheriff evicts some guy and his wife and he claims he's been in that house for 30 years, 30 YEARS and now he's evicted, but what the movie doesn't tell you is He refinance that home over leveraged him self and now he cant pay.... oh too bad, nobody put a gun to their head and told them to re finance and he shouldn't of refinanced when you couldn't afford it, and he showed off his gun collection( which he could of sold to survive, a collection of guns that would make most gun collectors envious) another black couple claims the house has been in the family for 40 years and now they lost it, well its doesn't show that they re financed and over leveraged it, whose fault is that?

My mother is 78 years old, her condo is free and clear, there is no way she is going to re finance her place or leverage her place to get money, and she's on a fixed pension, many times she's received notices in the mail showing her how to " leverage the equity" in her home, and she's smart enough to say " no thanks".

@ FranknStein , Lots of people are born with talent but fails to use it, they for what ever reason wont take the risk necessary, to go with their dreams, actually some people dont have dreams, they rather go with the flow, I went to school with a guy that was drafted by Ohio State Buckineers as a line backer on a full scholarship , talented individual probably could of made something of himself but he chose to party party party and now according to my last high school reunion he's a guest of the government, what a waste of a life.



Sure you could say that they provide jobs but there is a cost, sometimes a very a very heavy one. I would be interested on your take of Goldman Sachs and the current recession but it wasn't greedy capitalists that caused it now was it?
Oh I knew eventually someone was going to bring up Government Sachs sorry Goldman Sachs, ummmm Kissmyasthma, sure these guys were greedy, but these guys benefited from government intervention and regulations that the government set up in the first place, ask your self this , how many main street bankers that had NO government help went under, better yet How many Main street bankers survived the financial crises because they ran their institutions properly and with out Government help? I can name you a bunch, and a bunch you never heard of because they did it right and it isnt sexy news for CNN or Fox or who ever reports the news.

Wall street was part of the problem, well not all Wall street but the giants of Wall street was thanks to their friends in the government, Kissmyasthma I can point so many regulations the government set up that led the financial crisis, its just you're too blind to see it, the proof is in the pudding as they say.

Ask your self why did those banks get in trouble and you will find most of them got around Basel I and II


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