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 jay.m83
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Why are you defending socialism while giving me examples of all the bad social democracy has done. Our Society is not pure capitalism. The Social Democracy bullshit (IE: public schools) Is part of the problem.

You keep grouping all corporations in one evil pile. When its simply not true. Thats where you lose me.

The problem with capitalism is we've let too much socialism in. You think I'm defending the current system? **** no! Its Broken. All your arguments involve government control in some way. But you are blaming the wrong ****ing people! Government with the power to give you everything you need has the power to take it all away. I'm not worried about getting mine. I want other people to have the freedom to decide for themselves. And that comes with responsibility pal. Start thinking for yourself. Maybe you will develop ideas that actually help mankind, instead of enslave it.

I do not care if every argument except you can't force compassion is wrong. You can't force Compassion is Right.

Watch the videos, I can pull an earthbunny and flood you with internet links if it gets your attention.
 xlr8ingmargo
Joined: 1/4/2011
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Posted: 6/25/2011 9:16:17 AM
My lack of finacial education isnt the problem.
I still have eyes and hears to see and hear whats been happening in the communities around me. Its across the board. The employment crisis in this country isnt from people not wanting to lower their standards.
 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
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Posted: 6/25/2011 11:35:51 AM
You totally missed what I was saying xlr8ingmargo......so xlr8inmargo, explain to me why people that got in trouble over leveraged them selves in the first place, whose fault is that?

All you folks are quick to jump on the bandwagon and blame everyone else for their misfortunes.

There is poster on here, I think her name now is Ukaranian Sensations or something like that, is a perfect example of a hard working American that was dealt a bad hand, she posted when she lost her job or something like that, she had to bar tend among other jobs, Im sure she wasn't thrilled doing it but found a job to survive ,her I admire and people like her I admire.

There are lots of folks on POF that doesn't make a lot of money but you know what , they are grateful for what they have, im sure a lot of them are not in the field they want to be in , but instead of whining about they are doing something about it , to those I tip my hat to

I used to think web masters ( I think that is what they are called) and Web site designers were all crooks Ive been burned by a few that took advantage of my lack of knowledge in that field, until I met my current web site designer who is a honest as they come, and a damn amazing designer . she has designs sites for all my businesses and will continue to do so, even some of my associates Ive recommended to her they all say she does amazing work and she's honest.

She's a single mom raised 3 kids without support, dead beat ex husband, and has struggled in the beginning but she's doing better than the average whiner that complains about things not being fair, her I admire, and people like her I admire.

So spare me bull shit about what you see or what you think you see,do you know their circumstance? I'm in the financial field and I deal with it every day, I deal with the people that has lost or about to lose their home etc, 70% of them have a legitimate beef due to circumstances and the rest was because of trying to keep up with the jones's ,those I have no sympathy for.

Blaming the corporations or capitalism wont solve the problem, battling poverty by throwing money on it wont solve the problem either, heck Hetu, Buffett and Gates, the 3 wealthiest in the world has donated more than a billion dollars and it still hasn't made a dent , financial education is a good start, they should be teaching this in school instead of trying to learn the lines in McBeth among other useless things they teach in school.

And you wonder why Home schooled kids appear to be well adjusted kids that acts on their visions and goals and seem in most case understand finances and economics
 xlr8ingmargo
Joined: 1/4/2011
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Posted: 6/25/2011 3:09:29 PM
I raised two disabled children without a father being disabled myself.
Spare ME the B.S. I home schooled my children working three part time jobs and free lancing as a graphic designer/artist. Both the men I loved passed in life. Boo Hoo. You dont even get the point Im making. YES I know a lot of their circumstances as I have continued to volunteer in the community where I used to live and STILL drive two hours to do so when ever I get the chance.

Over 20,000 high paying jobs have been eliminated in the county where I used to live.
Companies have closed and moved to Mexico. Teachers have lost their positions to part time teacher assistants. Full time RN's have lost their positions to having one RN on call and part time CNA's. Try finding a full time job with benefits in this state. Its a very difficult thing to do.
 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
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Posted: 6/25/2011 4:07:37 PM

I raised two disabled children without a father being disabled myself.
Spare ME the B.S. I home schooled my children working three part time jobs and free lancing as a graphic designer/artist. Both the men I loved passed in life. Boo Hoo. You dont even get the point Im making. YES I know a lot of their circumstances as I have continued to volunteer in the community where I used to live and STILL drive two hours to do so when ever I get the chance.
You See Margo, I really think you like to argue for the sake of arguing . You just contradicted yourself.

Here you are disabled, home schooled your children and had 3 PART TIME jobs, 3 jobs? and you have time to volunteer ? yet people that are not disabled are whining about not finding a job let alone 3, It didn't stop you did it? that's a part of taking risk I was referring to earlier most wont take by the way.

You say you know a lot about their circumstances does that include why some of these folks re financed their homes or over leveraged them selves? which I noticed you didn't answer when I asked a few posts back?


Over 20,000 high paying jobs have been eliminated in the county where I used to live.Companies have closed and moved to Mexico. Teachers have lost their positions to part time teacher assistants. Full time RN's have lost their positions to having one RN on call and part time CNA's. Try finding a full time job with benefits in this state. Its a very difficult thing to do.
and why do you think that is? I know you're going to say greedy executives and business owners wanting to make more profit by increasing their bottom line and lowering legacy costs because of the labour situations right? Isnt it a business person right to make money? do you prefer them to stay here and lose money and then go into Chapter 11 or worse Chapter 7?

The point I was trying raise earlier is, some people wont work at certain jobs because they dont have benefits? those that take risks and maybe try self employment, or multiple jobs that doesn't pay benefits for the sake of survival.

The middle class should be pissed , but your pissed at the wrong folks, you should be pissed at your government for allowing this to happen, you dont realize you're getting phucked by the same government that comes in every 4 years and promises changes , wasting tax payers money saving their rich friends and lobbyist that has hands in their pocket.

I dont have a love for crony capitalism or companies that goes around and phucks people and plays with people's lives for the sake of making money, Ive always been capitalist and admire the people on Main street not Wall street...Look... Ive been on both sides of the fence, having no money struggling and then having money and enjoying life, having money is better.

And I did it without Government intervention, or affirmative action or what ever b.s program the government puts out, and I can say sometimes Im glad I dont live in America, cause I know I would of been indicted under the anti trust laws when I had my factoring company in the 90's , when all i did was undercut my competition with better rates which saved companies money, apparently in the States thats a no no.
 xlr8ingmargo
Joined: 1/4/2011
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Posted: 6/25/2011 4:13:53 PM
I am pizzed at the government. So far the only hope I see in American politics is with organizations like The Campaign For Liberty and in politicians such as Congressman Ron Paul.

I dont blame business owners or even greedy executives. Even I know current legislation needs to change.

My children are now grown and married. That was a long time ago as many posters on this site are aware of. I have lived in many different states and have seen my share what what the present economy and job market is doing. Yes currently I still volunteer with Christian organizations. When we are able to help someone that does not qualify for governemnt assistance programs Whoo Hoo. We have even helped quite a few from losing their homes.
 FrankNStein902
Joined: 12/26/2009
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Posted: 6/25/2011 5:15:50 PM
How do they keep getting re-elected?

Get the answer for that, and you will have found the key to the kingdom.

I will take They know where their bread is buttered for for $1000 Alex.

US elections are nothing more than American Idol, with the exception that more people care about American Idol.

The person with the most funds usually has the best chance.

Although great strides have been made in rigging voting machines, and laws that do nothing but try and discourage certain segments of the population from voting and others that allow of unlimited funds to be channeled to politicians anomalously.
 Earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
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Posted: 6/25/2011 5:34:47 PM
When given the choice between extreme evil and evil, "not that bad" we are increasingly forced to choose between the lesser of the evils. Clinton was my most less evil choice between contenders back than the Repugnican field, as was Obama with the global holocaust party as the alternative.

As illustrated brilliantly in this post, the world's greatest problems for survivil of our species and the more worthy ones, is dependent on one arrogant, clueless, denial-dependent, all-consuming parasite, called humanity. The planeteaters on the thread believe in unlimited resources, the right to enjoy human and limited planetary output exploitation, for the most special of generations to have occured over a tiny period of time. On the other side, people recognize that this is a boom/bust cycle, coming soon, going to be violent and messy as hell and that all that could be averted by just being intelligent, working together, and bucking up to do what needs to be done like folks did during the last major crisis of WW II.

Unfortunately, this if far from the Greatest Generation, in a place where infinite growth is now god, where again, the riff/raff of the last set of Nazis was dissed, where manipulation and exploitation, and exceptionalism are extolled as gods n their own right, and a cultural psychosis rules those who make and manipulate the rules daily as we liquidate the life support system for this new religion. Kinda whacked..

Chris Hedges pretty much nails our cultural psychosis on the head.
The forums back him up perfectly.
http://www.projectworldawareness.com/2010/09/american-psychosis-what-happens-to-a-society-that-cannot-distinguish-between-reality-and-illusion/
 aremeself
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Posted: 6/26/2011 11:05:51 PM
democracy is mob rule.
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
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Posted: 6/26/2011 11:35:18 PM
"You are not the only on who is pizzed at the federal govt.......... BUT, I have a question for all the people who are pizzed at our current govt.......... How do they keep getting re-elected?

Get the answer for that, and you will have found the key to the kingdom."

People vote for politicians who bring home the pork. It's always the other people's Congressmen that are the problem.
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 6/27/2011 1:51:06 AM
Ms. I-Hate-Big-Govmint Michelle Bachman, took home over $156,000 in farm subsidies since 2001. Locally one of our Georgia conservative neighbors had to lie about not getting their fair share of pork...
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2011/jun/26/figures-belie-claim-red-state-gets-no-green/
 xlr8ingmargo
Joined: 1/4/2011
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Posted: 6/27/2011 2:44:54 AM
Democracy is mob rule and thats why corporate America currently has so much power. How does that change today? Any highly intelligent posters out here in law, finance, and politics? What are the answers?
 FrankNStein902
Joined: 12/26/2009
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Posted: 6/27/2011 12:05:27 PM
How does that change today? Any highly intelligent posters out here in law, finance, and politics? What are the answers?

Well you could start by asking your local state rep. why you have to pay taxes but corporations don't and once he or she has checked their campaign donation sheet you may or may not get an answer.

If they give you an answer that corporations need tax breaks to create job, then you can ask: "Well was that not the idea of the Homeland Investment Act of 2004, when 800 corporations repatriated ~$312 billion claiming it would create some 50K jobs."

Then point out to them that currently American companies have ~1.5 trillion dollars hiding overseas to avoid paying taxes on that as well.

Or you could just blame those dam poor people, because we know at the end of the day it is all their fault anyway.




Apple, Google, Microsoft Sitting on 58 Billion in Overseas Profits, Blackmailing Us to Avoid Taxes
How does it feel to have the jobs gun pointed at your head? Because that’s what this is: a stickup.

AlterNet / By Les Leopold

June 23, 2011 America’s largest global corporations are holding $1.5 trillion dollars in profits overseas in order to avoid US taxes. “Apple has $12 billion waiting offshore, Google has $17 billion and Microsoft, $29 billion,” reports the New York Times.

These corporations claim that if we reduce their tax rate on that cash from 35 percent to 5.25 percent (which is less than the rest of us pay in sales taxes), they will bring the money home and invest it in creating badly needed jobs. They claim that for every billion invested, 15,000 to 20,000 jobs will be created directly and indirectly, which means such a tax holiday could create up to 30 million jobs – more than enough to bring us back to full employment and then some!

How does it feel to have the jobs gun pointed at your head? Because that’s what this is – a stickup, a robbery, job blackmail. It’s as if these corporations finally realized that they should emulate Wall Street and pick the carcass clean.

I know, I know. But, aren’t the pro-corporate lobbyists correct when they say that we need those overseas profits here? What good will it do the unemployed if that loot isn’t repatriated? Also, doesn’t that 5.25 percent of $1.5 trillion translate into more than $50 billion in federal revenues that we’ll never see if the money stays parked overseas? And given the fact that Washington is too broke for another jobs stimulus program, don’t we have to play ball with those who have the money to move our economy? Isn’t it time to grow up and realize that we have to encourage, not vilify Corporate America in order to put our people back to work?

Wrong on all counts. Here’s why we shouldn’t give the blackmailers the money.....


Con't here:

http://www.alternet.org/story/151413/apple,_google,_microsoft_sitting_on_58_billion_in_overseas_profits,_blackmailing_us_to_avoid_taxes/
 xlr8ingmargo
Joined: 1/4/2011
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Posted: 6/27/2011 12:32:45 PM
^^^ Thank you for the information; I do enjoy learning new things I know little about.
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 6/27/2011 3:11:56 PM
So...how did all that "hiring" work out with the lil Bush tax cuts for the ruling elite. Outsourcing, downsizing, predation, and pillaging of the economy seems to have worked out for the top 1%, but the 25% un-employed or under-employed think the rhetoric is quite out of line with the lives of real people. Unemployment doubled under the chickenhawk.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/may/11/john-boehner/john-boehner-says-bush-tax-cuts-created-8-million-/
Back to the other great problems, record flooding in the midwest is threatening two nuke plants and millions of people.
http://www.omaha.com/article/20110626/NEWS01/706269898#flooding-the-worst-is-yet-to-come
While historic wildfires are consuming over 7 million acres in the southern half of the country, ready to engulf Los Alamos National Labs, already cutting off power and communications.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43544283/ns/weather/
In a year of record tornados...Getting a bit chaotic out there, and extreme.
 FrankNStein902
Joined: 12/26/2009
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Posted: 6/27/2011 3:29:58 PM
Well, they are holding a LOT of money off shore, and most large corporations are sitting on a lot of money................ i would ask if you know why this is, but that would be a waste of time...... so I will tell you why it is.

It is because they do not want to pay the taxes that are required to by law if they bring that money in the US.




Go ahead, keep villifying those that actually hire............ you've got nothing else.

Did you even read what you wrote?

These companies have been given tax breaks in the past and they did not hire anyone and in fact the employments numbers went down.

Care to refute that with facts or should we expect more derp?
 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
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Posted: 6/27/2011 4:09:36 PM
FrankNStein, you know I like you bud but sometimes you are so blinded by hatred of the big corporations it clouds your vision.

Big corporation pays taxes, its just diverted by tax shelters, tax havens and tax loopholes set up by the government , and thanks to their friends in the government it looks like they dont pay but really they do, its just very very Low, these corporation has off shore accounts and most of the countries the accounts are in has tax treaties with the United States which gets funnel back to the American Government and they dont have to put that money on the government balance sheets.

Google for example uses strategy known as the “Double Irish.” Google has two Irish subsidiaries, One is a holding company in Ireland , the other is located in Bermuda. In Ireland what they call intellectual property royalties reduce income taxes, which lowers an already meager 12.5% tax rate.

Google’s Irish company in Ireland pays those royalties to its Irish company in tax-haven Bermuda, funneling them through the tax-advantaged Netherlands on the way and with the tax treaties with the Americans Uncle Barrack gets a little piece but he doesn't have to record it on the books , so it looks like Google and companies like that dont pay taxes.

Gates, Ellison among the other big corporations uses this strategy , so you cant blame the companies for using it when its available to them,blame the government Blame Uncle Barrack and the morons in Washington that allowed it to happen.

Ask your self this..... why does the government allow this to happen? who interests are the boys and girls in Washington, Ottawa, London looking out for?

Same thing with Hedge fund managers,remember you posted that they dont pay taxes? and I showed you that they do but its deferred , government legislation.... yeah

This is why I'm not a fan of government legislation or companies that are in bed with the government aka Crony capitalism the ugly sister of Socialism , im for the Main street business person

And this will sound bad, Im okay with the multi nation corporation doing what they do, the more money on the balance sheet, the more money( assuming one has invested in the American corporations ) the more money the shareholders make, I know your Canadian Frank but I have to ask do you have a RRSP? mutual funds, stocks, bonds,ETF, I would ask the same for the Margo's , Earth bunny's of the world, do you have a 401K, I.R.A's?

Why am I asking? where do you think these financial vehicles are investing in? if you are a share holder your concern is " how profitable are you(the company) and pay me ( the shareholder) the profits you promised in a timely matter, jobs, legacy costs etc are not the shareholders concern which is why a lot of the C.E.O are 1) paid what they are paid and 2) sometimes looks like the bad guy/gal when they have to answer to angry shareholders ( investors, Grandma Jane life pension, pension companies, investment houses, banks, institutional investors etc)

 FrankNStein902
Joined: 12/26/2009
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Posted: 6/27/2011 4:54:54 PM

I've asked this question before, have yet to get an answer, but I'll try again. What percentage do you think that corporation should have to pay? What percentage should an individual have to pay? I am talking about federal taxes.

I do not know nor do I profess to know the exact number, but it should be greater than zero.




Yep................. and the problem with that is? I can foretell the future here........ WHEN business sees that there is an administration in place that understands what it requires to actually run a business, not just theorize about it, that money will be brought in............. Obviously you missed that when I said it before.

You seem to be implying this is a new concept, but as pointed out by more than me this has been going on for sometime, so either you are not very smart or just disingenuous when referring to the problem being related to this administration, unless of course you can show us what this administration has done differently than the previous one to cause this distrust.





FrankNStein, you know I like you bud but sometimes you are so blinded by hatred of the big corporations it clouds your vision.

I do not hate bog corporations I hate the people that let them get away with crap like this and say they have a budget shortfall and start blaming the poor.

I think people and companies should be able to get theirs, but on a fair playing field.

I can not fault someone for taking advantage of a loophole but I can blame the person that put it there.




Gates, Ellison among the other big corporations uses this strategy , so you cant blame the companies for using it when its available to them,blame the government Blame Uncle Barrack and the morons in Washington that allowed it to happen.

Are you saying that it never happened before Obama?
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
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Posted: 6/27/2011 5:45:36 PM

Well, they are holding a LOT of money off shore, and most large corporations are sitting on a lot of money........

So, why aren't they creating jobs with the vast sums they ALSO have ONshore?

What percentage do you think that corporation should have to pay? What percentage should an individual have to pay? I am talking about federal taxes.......

Why not have the same margins we had in the 50's-- once things get on more solid footing? You know, like we had under that other socialist president, Dwight D. Eisenhower?
 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
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Posted: 6/27/2011 5:57:15 PM

I can not fault someone for taking advantage of a loophole but I can blame the person that put it there.
which is the morons in the government, look.... im in favor of good legislation that makes sense, that protects businesses, employees and property rights and yes it happened before Obama, Im just being ball breaker to President Obama, im not a fan of his, or his predecessor,or the one before him actually the other one before him too, I didn't mind Reagan ( oh the Reagan bashers will be out in full force now)



So, why aren't they creating jobs with the vast sums they ALSO have ONshore?
some companies do, but yeah some dont because they have to answer to shareholders that are on the war path if the numbers aren't profitable, the only thing a C.E.O, C.F.O, C.O.O or C.I.O are a afraid of is shareholders and some are a nasty piece of business

Second..... Stock option compensation which I believe is a big part of the problem, which is why they do the things they do, if the compensation committee of these corporations would understand that this type of compensation is a big problem, more workers would keep their jobs instead of buckling under legacy costs but then again Idiot managers/executives are also a big problem.




 flyguy51
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Posted: 6/27/2011 6:17:00 PM

some dont because they have to answer to shareholders that are on the war path if the numbers arent profitable...

I agree. As stated in FrankNstein's linked article, demand is still relatively low right now, so more workers are not really needed. It's a vicious cycle.
 xlr8ingmargo
Joined: 1/4/2011
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Posted: 6/28/2011 4:08:54 AM
I have a thought... (a miracle!!!)
Why not tax all profits earned by all corporations in the U.S.
before any of the money is allow to leave this country?
Why not charge higher tax rates for businesses earning higher profits?

Thats just sounds like its too easy and right.
Oh I forgot we are democracy so sock it to the average American employee.
 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
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Posted: 6/28/2011 4:58:20 AM
Margo they do tax the businesses the only problem is its the small and mid sized companies that takes the hit

Actually Margo you Americans dont live in a democratic society , its more of a republic
 jay.m83
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Posted: 6/28/2011 9:28:13 AM
I don't believe in a progressive tax system, I would go so far as to not have an income tax at all, do everything via sales tax. It would work if we shrink the size of the government.
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 6/29/2011 3:03:26 AM
Lovely...the sanctity of commerce without morality..
http://www.heralddeparis.com/the-most-important-news-story-ever-ever/138509

Compelling photos from Jordan. Have not been to Midway for nearly 4 decades, but was charmed by the Albatross population then, no heartbroken at what has become of the place and those creatures. Humans are the world's greatest problem.

Then there are the forests. Compelling photography in this one.
http://www.karmatube.org/videos.php?id=2387
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