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 null_locus_accede
Joined: 6/25/2011
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The greatest difficulties are the ones protected by their victim.
A reassuring solution will not be yielded through channels which avoid full disclosure.
Deflection is not an option.
Was it uncertainty that brought us this
 xlr8ingmargo
Joined: 1/4/2011
Msg: 277
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Posted: 6/29/2011 5:18:18 AM
The Constitution isnt the problem.

Im sure American corporations have trillions of dollars to hire American workers and lower the unemployment rates. Its just that with technology they're not going to do so.
Even then it would take hundreds of thousands of jobs to be created monthly to lower national unemployment rates over the next ten years.

What about fixing the housing market? Foreclosures are only adding to the problem.
So what are the solutions?

Ive been trying to read as much as I can lately.
 Earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
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Posted: 6/29/2011 6:03:51 AM
American corporations operate without any sense of morality or allegiance toward the nation or it's people. Profit is god. Excessive profit is GOD!! When they own the politicians, there is really no way to fix our system. Consider how Boeing treats us, remembering that they have not paid any taxes in the last 3 years.
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2011/06/28/256216/boeing-price-gouging-army/

The housing bubble collapse was orchestrated with that same disdain for morality.
http://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/wach/what-caused-americas-economic-collapse/

Most people still think there is some sort of magic recovery to be had, when most likely, we have seen the good old days and the current situation is merely the beginning of a systemic collapse. Nearly everyone I know in the building trades is in a perpetual state of under-employment if they are lucky to have work at all.
 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
Msg: 279
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Posted: 6/29/2011 11:11:02 AM
Earth puppy, you really dont understand a lot about economics, Im seeing that Jay is correct with your links, every thing is a link with you, but im going to give you a hint man , dont believe everything you read on the net, I read the link you provided on the housing bubble collapse, and that joker IS WRONG.

Do you understand that the government intervention is what led up to the crises!!

The Federal government injected massive amounts of money and credit into our financial system from 2001 to 2004 that led to skyrocketing housing prices and fostered irresponsible borrowing and lending by market participants. The Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 is used to intimidate banks and other mortgage lenders into making loans--such as subprime loans--to low and moderate-income neighborhoods. Many of these loans would not have been made in a free market because they were made to borrowers who were not credit worthy. Making loans to people who cannot afford them is a policy that is destined to lead to a financial catastrophe.

In addition, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, enterprises created by the government to increase mortgage lending, foster irresponsible borrowing and lending by purchasing mortgage loans from lenders. Fannie and Freddie have been able to purchase large amounts of loans because, since their creation, they had the implicit financial backing of the government

The government appears to be a financial savior because the Federal government has the power to create money. But the Fed's creation of money does not solve problems; it creates problems. It causes prices to rise rapidly, devalues our savings and income, makes business planning and investing more difficult and also risky, promotes more government borrowing, spending, and consumption, undermines economic progress, and thus lowers the standard of living in the economy. The situation is dire. The government is consuming our seed stock and no one seems to give a rats and blame all the capitalist for this.

Xtr8inmargo this may answer part of your question^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^You cant fix the foreclosures because most of these banks have bad loans on their balance sheets, I know Wells Fargo is trying their best and they refinanced about hundred thousand plus, but it doesn't help the person is unemployed or under employed.

Americans has to realize you've lost the manufacturing race to China and other Asian countries, its time to invest into new technologies that produces new jobs,higher paying and lasting jobs, 20th century jobs are on the decline, innovation is what going to drive the future and Americans need to understand, Canadians understand that and is slowly moving in that direction.

Perhaps Americans should reconsider exactly what it is that we are asking the government to do? People of all political persuasions talk about “creating jobs” as if there were no question that the government should be trying to create them, the only question being what program will create the most jobs, the highest paying jobs, or the longest lasting jobs.

This is just another in an endless series of false dichotomies that accompany every election year, when voters are served up a “debate” that is framed to include two undesirable alternatives, with no acknowledgment that there may be a third. On job creation, that third alternative is this: the government can’t create jobs, regardless of whether Democrats, Republicans, Democratic Socialist are at the controls, and moreover , it shouldn’t try to create jobs.

You wonder why big corporation are " hiding " their profits from Uncle Sam, well regulations allow them to that, they are just following the letter of the law, at the expense of whom?

Sorry for the long post folks.
 xlr8ingmargo
Joined: 1/4/2011
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Posted: 6/29/2011 11:15:57 AM
Well then regulations need to change and the quicker the better.
Thanks for an explaination I could understand.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 281
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Posted: 6/29/2011 11:36:59 AM

The problem was when values stopped going up

That is more of an effect-- the cause was rising interest rates which pushed mortgages from risky to untenable. Then foreclosures started, and THEN values stopped rising-- at least in economist Thomas Sowell's analysis.

Do you understand that the government intervention is what led up to the crises!!

This is mostly ideology talking. It is actually government intervention and nonintervention that caused the problem, along with large doses of good ole "crony capitalism." Government was intervening in mortgage banking (I agree with your summary of that) while also deregulating the financial markets. The SEC was not encouraged to take its function seriously. The derivative market, which made a US crisis a global crisis, was not overseen in any way. Regulatory lessons learned from the Great Depression were seen as a buzzkill. Ideologues, like the aforementioned Sowell, always seem to leave out those pretty major details.
 flyguy51
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Posted: 6/29/2011 12:34:43 PM
Paul, I like how you basically reworded what I was saying and framed it as a rebuttal to what I was saying. That is a new form of sophistry to my eyes. Really now, there is no need to be afraid that you might ever learn something from someone else. It puts me at ease to learn that you know what an ARM is, for what it's worth.
 FrankNStein902
Joined: 12/26/2009
Msg: 283
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Posted: 6/29/2011 1:34:06 PM
Chart of the Day: The Idiocy of GOP Cut-and-Grow
By Andy Kroll
Tue Jun. 28, 2011 7:57 AM PDT


I keep hammering away at the GOP's preposterous cut-and-grow plan—that the economy will really begin to grow and create jobs only after slashing spending to the bone—but that's because people are still buying what the Republicans are peddling.

The following analysis, however, should once more put to rest any ideas that cut-and-grow is the right course for this country. Using a nifty chart, Adam Hersh, an economist at the Center for American Progress, plots out states that have slashed spending and states that have increased it, and then shows how well their respective economies have fared.


Link to chart: https://motherjones.com/files/images/cut-grow-chart.jpg


As Hersh notes in this accompanying post, states that boosted spending saw decreasing unemployment and increasing economic growth. Those who cut back saw the opposite happen.

It's one thing for governors such as Florida's Rick Scott, Wisconsin's Scott Walker, and Ohio's John Kasich to enact publicly unpopular policies that ultimately help their states. (And boy are they unpopular.) It's quite another to do so when the data shows that you're only shooting yourself in the foot. The question is, when will Republicans in Washington figure this out?



http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/06/chart-day-idiocy-gop-cut-and-grow
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 6/29/2011 3:26:43 PM
"Do you understand that the government intervention is what led up to the crises!!"

Do you understand that the lack of government intervention, via well paid Congressional delegates, led up to the crisis? The same monied interests are out to repeal the Dodd-Frank financial regulatory reform bill that has tried to protect consumers, reign in the derivatives market, and dismantle failing financial insitituions. The 18 repubicans leading the charge to again deregulate the predators, averaged $3,000,000 apiece in "thankyou" money from the Finance, Insurance and Real Estate interests. Bush and his minions were the lead chearleaders in sub-prime predatory loans during his time in office. The Crash landed under Bush's watch and there were ample signs that it was on the way, but no action to avert hitting the iceburg. The dems also take their money, and did not try hard enought to reign in the predators and speculators, but many like Frank and Dodd did earnestly do their best to try at least. A timeline..
http://democrats.financialservices.house.gov/FinancialSvcsDemMedia/file/key_issues/Predatory_Subprime_Mortgage_Lending/GSEs_Subprime_timeline.pdf

A friend of mine who worked for social services, in the late 90s, was warning about the sub-prime predatory practices gaining ground and what she saw was an inevitable massive foreclosure on the poorest.
 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
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Posted: 6/29/2011 4:53:46 PM

This is mostly ideology talking. It is actually government intervention and nonintervention that caused the problem, along with large doses of good ole "crony capitalism." Government was intervening in mortgage banking (I agree with your summary of that) while also deregulating the financial markets. The SEC was not encouraged to take its function seriously. The derivative market, which made a US crisis a global crisis, was not overseen in any way. Regulatory lessons learned from the Great Depression were seen as a buzzkill. Ideologues, like the aforementioned Sowell, always seem to leave out those pretty major details.-Flyguy
No its not ideology talking , I have facts you should read the " congressional record, the facts are there in black and white , you can read about the ugly truth your wonderful politicians in Washington covers up.

Second speaking of derivatives markets,There is still a problem with the derivatives market, they have found a way to get around Basel III, there is still no transparency in the derivatives market , can you say another financial crises looming?


Do you understand that the lack of government intervention, via well paid Congressional delegates, led up to the crisis? The same monied interests are out to repeal the Dodd-Frank financial regulatory reform bill that has tried to protect consumers, reign in the derivatives market, and dismantle failing financial insitituions. The 18 repubicans leading the charge to again deregulate the predators, averaged $3,000,000 apiece in "thankyou" money from the Finance, Insurance and Real Estate interests. Bush and his minions were the lead chearleaders in sub-prime predatory loans during his time in office. The Crash landed under Bush's watch and there were ample signs that it was on the way, but no action to avert hitting the iceburg. The dems also take their money, and did not try hard enought to reign in the predators and speculators, but many like Frank and Dodd did earnestly do their best to try at least. A timeline..
Not to be rude Earth Puppy but you don't know what you're talking about, do you believe in Big foot? I dont know if you do or not but I can send you links arguing Big foot exists, and I can send you links that show Big foot doesn't exist

Do you believe Oswald killed President Kennedy? I can show you links that says he didn't, and it was the Chicago and New Orleans Mob, you can show me links that said it was the CIA, and someone can show me links saying it was Castro teaming up with V.P. Johnson

My point Earth Puppy is you're wrong about Barney Frank one of the biggest hypocrites alive, When the housing boom was in full force, Congressman Barney Frank was proud to be one of those who were pushing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac into more adventurous financial practices, in the name of "affordable housing." to get everyone to own a house, which they refer to as the American dream.

In 2003 he said: "I believe that we, as the Federal Government, have probably done too little rather than too much to push them to meet the goals of affordable housing and to set reasonable goals." He added: "I want to roll the dice a little bit more in this situation towards subsidized housing." source " congressional record archives 2003.

In other words, when things were looking good, he was happy to acknowledge the role of the federal government in pushing the housing market in a direction it would not have taken on its own. But, after the risky mortgage-lending practices fostered by government intervention led to massive defaults and foreclosures that caused financial institutions to collapse or be bailed out, Congressman Frank changed his tune completely.

By 2007, his line was now that "the subprime crisis demonstrates the serious negative economic and social consequences that result from too little regulation." By 2008, his line was that the financial crisis was caused by "bad decisions that were made by people in the private sector."

When television financial reporter CNBC's Maria Bartiromo reminded Congressman Frank of his statements in earlier years, he simply denied making the statements she quoted and blamed "right-wing Republicans who took the position that regulation was always bad."

People like Barney Frank and his Senate counterpart Christopher Dodd, pushing the "affordable housing" crusade through government intervention, in disregard of the risks that they were repeatedly warned about by people inside and outside of government, these are your hero's ? good Lord since you like to read a lot of links of other people stuff, try reading the congressional record and you can read what actually happened , what actually was said and see if your hero's are the knight and shining Armour your links portrays them to be.
 FrankNStein902
Joined: 12/26/2009
Msg: 286
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Posted: 6/29/2011 4:56:01 PM

What those sites propose is a Kensyian style spending spree by the govt. to get the privatge sector to grow......... That has never worked, and never will. The govt. can do NOTHING but spend. Spending is not the problem, a climate that keeps employers.... that would be the evil business's that you love to hate, from moving out of state is the problem.

The site provided facts with reference to states that have either increased or decreased spending.

Those are facts.

and so are these:


1. Tax cuts don't always work.
In 1929, Herbert Hoover cut marginal tax rates to the lowest level in modern history (24 percent) and the economy still collapsed. In 1982, Ronald Reagan slashed taxes to the lowest level in 50 years and, in return, unemployment soared to the highest level in 50 years. In 2001 and 2003, George Bush cut taxes twice and yet unemployment rose to 6 percent. And that's to say nothing of the 2.6 million jobs lost in the final year of the Bush administration.

Tax cuts are politically popular, but they are not a panacea for our nation's economic woes. Cutting corporate tax rates won't stimulate the economy or create new jobs if there's no demand for the goods and services that businesses produce. And cutting estate taxes and capital gains taxes will primarily benefit the wealthy. Despite the GOP claims to the contrary, when you give rich people money, there's no guarantee they will use it in ways that will trickle down to the masses. If we're going to cut taxes, then tax cuts should be targeted to businesses that hire new workers or invest in infrastructure, or they should go to middle-class Americans, who have been losing their jobs, their homes, their health care, and their savings in the Bush economy.


2. Higher taxes don't necessarily hurt.
In 1944, Franklin Roosevelt raised marginal tax rates to an astoundingly high 94 percent and yet we still had almost full employment (1.2 percent unemployment), thanks to the war. Taxes fell after the war, but in 1951, Harry Truman raised taxes again (from 84 to 91 percent) and yet unemployment dropped by 50 percent. In fact, from 1947 to 1973, median family income rose 2.7 percent a year, even while the top marginal tax rate was never lower than 70 percent, twice the current rate.

Perhaps the best example of the utility of tax increases comes from recent history. In 1993, Bill Clinton defied every single Republican in the House of Representatives and raised marginal tax rates to almost 40 percent. Despite GOP predictions that businesses would go bankrupt and workers would be laid off, the U.S. enjoyed the longest peacetime economic expansion in history.

That doesn't mean we need to raise taxes right now in the midst of the recession, but it does mean we shouldn't be afraid of higher marginal tax rates or of allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire in 2010. Republicans often complain that higher taxes will kill the economy, but there's not much evidence to support those fears...


http://www.skeptically.org/eds/id13.html
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
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Posted: 6/29/2011 5:20:54 PM

There is still a problem with the derivatives market, they have found a way to get around Basel III, there is still no transparency in the derivatives market , can you say another financial crises looming?

I sure can say that. Re: transparency-- would you say that more government involvement would help that or would less? If less, please explain.
 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
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Posted: 6/29/2011 6:15:56 PM

In 1982, Ronald Reagan slashed taxes to the lowest level in 50 years and, in return, unemployment soared to the highest level in 50 years.
Frank, that's not true , It was Regan's lowering of the income tax that led the high unemployment, The primary cause of the recession was a contradictory monetary policy established by the Federal Reserve System to control high inflation and ended Stagnation ,The tightening of the Money Supply, which triggered the very high interest rates, cut off growth, got inflation under control, so it re-stabilized the economy, of course that came with the pain of the poor growth,companies that couldn't not expand and survive with loss of jobs in certain industries.

That was the real reason, Regan's tax cuts had nothing to do with the Unemployment rise, Chairman Volker ended the money supply problems that had plagued the country of just feeding more money into the economy regardless of inflation which of course just allowed continuing increasing inflation and high unemployment which led to the high unemployment.



I sure can say that. Re: transparency-- would you say that more government involvement would help that or would less? If less, please explain.
I don't have a problem with regulations if it makes sense, Transparency makes sense, in a free market half these jokers wouldn't get away with the nonsense they pull over the American Public( you might think its Ideology and smoke screens a free market means No one in control( govt or business) , but since we don't have a " free market" I don't have a problem with the government legislating " transparency " you wouldn't get a argument from me or any one honest in the financial field, a lot of us wants " full transparency" , regulations set up to protect rights,People, business including against fraud and things like that, NO one has a problem with that.

Regulations that tells me how to run my business to which they have no clue on how to run a business is the problem, most of these regulations do not make sense, you know congress passed a law to make the trouble banks bigger because under a certain law they couldn't bail them out, so by making them bigger to get the T.A.R.P money makes them " too big to fail" and since they are back to their old tricks with the Derivatives market Fly Guy Im afraid we are in for another crises, and guess who will be left at the end of the day holding the bag? you guess it the American Tax Payers.
 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
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Posted: 6/29/2011 8:59:05 PM
Ooops I meant to say It WASN'T President Regan's lowering of the income tax that led to High Unemployment
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 6/29/2011 9:25:51 PM
The bottom line with all empires tends to be the same. We are at war. We have always been at war with Oceana. Will always be at war. Get used to it. This is what happens when we are so superior to others. They hate us for our superiority. We must defend the empire positions to the end. There is no other way. We are at war. We have always been at war with Oceana. We will always be at war.......


If you just take a few moments out of quality navel gazing time, to look at the history of empires, over-tending into colonies to panic and maintain the empire dreams, it's not that hard to see our current situation and our future. Afghans are really excellent at bringing down arrogant empire with less weaponry than they now have. The more weaponry we employ against the world, the more they hate us, and use our weapons against us. Trouble is...all good Romans feel their empire is the end all and be all, ours included.
 Cdn_Iceman
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Posted: 6/29/2011 9:40:21 PM
Can someone explain to me WTF this guy is talking about? what the hell or who the hell is Oceana and what does that has to do with the world greatest problems? I must of miss this subject taking economics classes
 CountIbli
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Posted: 6/29/2011 10:46:12 PM
"Can someone explain to me WTF this guy is talking about? what the hell or who the hell is Oceana and what does that has to do with the world greatest problems? I must of miss this subject taking economics classes"

If I'm not mistaken it's a reference to the book 1984 (which I've never read, so it's a somewhat educated guess). I think he's making a point about our perpetual state of war. There's always some bogeyman to fight. If it's not Al Qaeda then it's Mexican drug cartels.
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 6/30/2011 4:25:42 AM
Yes, I was referring to Orwell's warning "1984". It took a couple of decades longer, but we have made it to that Orwellian future where truthiness prevails. Everything we have done in the US since our inception has move us into empire mode. "American Exceptionalism" peaked under the Bush Doctrine. We are an empire in collapse mode and our citizenry is clueless by design.
 UnixGrand
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Posted: 6/30/2011 4:43:59 AM

Two books everyone in contemporary times should be familiar with: 1984 and A Clockwork Orange.



Soylent Green, Logan's Run, Andromeda Strain, and The Omega Man..... These should be read as well.
 UnixGrand
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Posted: 6/30/2011 5:16:46 AM
In your opinion they may not, but in my opinion they are directly involved with the human condition. And the authors who wrote them also intended for them to be seen in this light. Because these books can become non-fiction very easily. IMO.... Clockwork Orange is a rape fantasy. Malcolm McDowell definitely worked the role, and deserves recognition.
 xlr8ingmargo
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Posted: 6/30/2011 5:18:16 AM
I always liked To Kill A Mocking Bird, and The Old Man and The Sea.
Owh and Great Expectations... thats like my fave.
 Cdn_Iceman
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Posted: 6/30/2011 6:14:39 AM
Thanks for the explanation Holly and Count Ibli, Ive never read the book or seen the movie, I guess I was too busy playing sports and reading financial books.

They also say Without a war on something people in Washington wouldn't get elected.
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 6/30/2011 2:53:57 PM
The film, In The Loop, is quite similar to wag the dog, updated a bit for current geopolitics and profanely hilarious. A recommended vacation from the world's greatest problems.

We seemed to have crossed over into Orwell's 1984 and Huxley's Brave New World at the same time. We have the forever war, the constant need for those in power to re-write history as they see it fitting to their current worldview, and we are the most watched, most imprisoned, most medicated, most bi-polar, and most propagandized nation in the modern world. We also have abundant Soma...via cable and the big pharma.

Chris Hedges examines how both Orwell's and Huxley's distopias have melded into our culture.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/12/27-1

Orwell on the Texas School Board and Palin and Bachmann history buffs...


O’Brien was looking down at him speculatively. More than ever he had the air of a teacher taking pains with a wayward but promising child.

“There is a Party slogan dealing with the control of the past,” he said. “Repeat it, if you please.”

“‘Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past,” repeated Winston obediently.

“Who controls the present controls the past,” said O’Brien, nodding his head with slow approval. “Is it your opinion, Winston, that the past has real existence?”

"Again the feeling of helplessness descended upon Winston. His eyes flitted toward the dial. He not only did not know whether 'yes' or 'no' was the answer that would save him from pain; he did not even know which answer he believed to be the true one....

O’Brien smiled faintly. “...I will put It more precisely. Does the past exist concretely, in space? Is there somewhere or other a place, a world of solid objects, where the past is still happening?”

“No.”

“Then where does the past exist, if at all?”

“In records. It is written down.”

“In records. And—?”

“In the mind. In human memories.”

“In memory. Very well, then. We, the Party, control all records, and we control all memories. Then we control the past, do we not?”

“But how can you stop people remembering things?” cried Winston, again momentarily forgetting the dial.....

O’Brien’s manner grew stern again. He laid his hand on the dial. “On the contrary,” he said, “you have not controlled it. That is what has brought you here. ...you have failed in humility. You would not make the act of submission which is the price of sanity. You preferred to be a lunatic, a minority of one....
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 7/1/2011 3:51:50 PM
Ditto on dystopia..edit.
In other news.
POSTED June 29, 2011 Republicans: Trillions Could Be Cut from Budget if We Eliminate Empathy
Humanity Also on Chopping Block


WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report) – Speaking on behalf of congressional Republicans, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) said today that trillions could be cut from the Federal budget if Congress can agree to eliminate empathy.

“The current budget is bursting at the seams with pet projects that reek of empathy,” Rep. Cantor said. “As a nation, we can no longer afford to spend money on people’s basic survival needs like a bunch of drunken sailors.”

Rep. Cantor noted that “the word ‘empathy’ comes from the Greek word ‘pathos,’ meaning ‘pathetic’ – and that’s exactly what helping people is: pathetic.”

“We Americans should get out of the habit of using Greek words,” he added. “Look where it’s gotten the Greeks – straight into bankruptcy.”

Once congressional Republicans eliminate such empathy-laden budget items as lunches for poor children, medicine for the indigent and oxygen for seniors, Rep. Cantor said, “We can move from cutting empathy to cutting humanity.”

With humanity removed from the budget, he said, “That’s where the real savings come in.”

By eliminating the food, medicine and oxygen necessary to sustain human life, “We will reduce the single biggest drain on the U.S. economy: people.”

Ending on an optimistic note, Rep. Cantor said that by eliminating people, “by the middle of this century the United States will be successfully transformed into one big unmanned Predator drone.”

Elsewhere, presidential candidate Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn) today visited historic Monticello, which she called “the home of Jeffrey Dahmer.”
 Cdn_Iceman
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Posted: 7/1/2011 4:05:25 PM
Happy birthday Canada....happy Canada day and may we all prosper under the capitalism
Happy birthday America on Monday, we share the same birthday,If I had one wish, that every one in North America prosper.

by the way nice post Earth Puppy , it shows the ignorance of some politicians and you wonder the country is in such a mess.
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