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 Caringheart2011
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Have to come back later on that one.
 RichenLosAngeles
Joined: 11/14/2010
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Posted: 9/18/2011 9:54:41 PM
Are we almost out of oil?
The "peak oil" theory was a brilliant piece of work for 1955. It has been plastered all over the web for years, I read it 3 or 4 years ago myself.
A lot has changed in the energy business since 1955, and although oil dominates our consumption needs, there are some questions to be answered.
How accurate are the oil-producers' admissions of product supply? It is totally in their best interest to create scarcity and drive prices ever higher.
How effective will efforts be to conserve energy and use less?
What types of replacement energies are available?
 Caringheart2011
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Posted: 9/19/2011 6:58:55 PM
Good idea, BUT...
When parents rant about a teacher because their kid are lazy , "like their parents", and the teacher has to take it ...... There is not discipline, no respect , as long as a kid don't make waves he/she will get an HSD.
Most can't read , or calculate at a elementary level.
No one is accountable for their actions any more, it is always some one else fault.
That is , may be, the greatest world problem .
 red_fir
Joined: 11/21/2011
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Posted: 3/7/2012 8:56:45 AM
When (not if) society collapses the real dynamic will return to warlords and a semi feudal system, or Communist style tyranny.
It has happened all over the world wherever western society has been withdrawn/displaced Africa, South America the Middle East, an endless succession of murderous b@stards. Not to say the ones they displaced were any bargain.

The U.N. is setting itself up to be the least responsive oligarch in the history of mankind. In third world country's you can grab up an AK47 and represent your interests and the leader you believe in dynamically, in the west they give you the illusion of a vote,
In the U.N. how does the common man get ANY input?

Furthermore when an overarching central government takes its final form none of the minor forms of government will pass away, it will simply amount to one crushing burden on top of another.

The greatest world problem is that we are still at the basics we've been trying to escape from since the stone ages. The short list is;
For all practical purposes Might equals Right
For all practical purposes Wealth dictates Morality
And the largest by a long shot Power Corrupts Absolutely

The greatest pressing issue is how to keep some honest representation of the great masses of humanity in the decision making processes because the "leaders" have shown no qualms about selling out the masses for bizarre ideology or simple greed.

All of those underground shelters for governments around the world? that's them saying; "We'll be safe, sorry about the hard luck guys"

As for the rest of the issues they are the equivalent of the ants bickering over what to do after the picnic is over. The picnic basket closes the source walks away and the ants continue to scrabble in the dirt.
 matchlight
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Posted: 3/8/2012 12:10:38 PM
The greatest problem the world faces right now is a nuclear-armed Islamist theocracy in Iran. Iran already has enough enriched uranium to make several atom bombs, and if nothing is done to stop it, it will soon make them.

This wouldn't be a threat just to Israel. In Hizballah, Iran has a very large proxy terrorist organization. It was Hizballah which blew up a barracks in Lebanon in 1983, killing 241 U.S. Marines.

These days, an atom bomb can easily be the size of an average home water heater and weigh only several hundred pounds. Forget about the difficult process of making a nuclear-armed long-range missile. Just hide a device in the hold of a freighter and send it to a harbor in New York, or Baltimore, or Los Angeles.

Many hundreds or even thousands of ordinary commercial ships are out on the world's oceans any given day. Many of them come to U.S. ports. How would we know if one of those apparently ordinary ships was really a floating bomb? Once the ship and its small suicide crew had gone up in vapor at the pier, taking a good part of the unlucky city with them, just where would investigators start looking for the culprit? Nuclear explosions don't leave fingerprints.

I would think any U.S. President would have to be almost 100% certain what country was behind an attack like that, before ordering a counterattack that would kill countless people. To do nothing would be to invite more of the same--but to hit back at the wrong country would be nothing but mass murder.
 want to travel
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Posted: 3/8/2012 12:24:59 PM
Just a comment,
why does our governments, care about Iran??
Israel, is just as pig headed, as any of the muslim countries
Is it me or does any one else think it is funny, that a country as small as Israel, can and does push the president of the USA, and leaders of other friendly allies arround
for the whole of my life, And the short history of Israel (it has only been a state since 1948) ,there has been no serious attempt by that country to make peace
I say we give up on them
the truth is, it is not really there country, and only a hand full of jewish people lived there for the past 2000 years
 red_fir
Joined: 11/21/2011
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Posted: 3/8/2012 7:18:29 PM
I think you err in your perception.

Britain was in control, (the legitimate government du jour) of the area at the end of World War Two,
Britain new it couldn't keep its colonies much longer (natives were getting too educated (mostly due to association with the British)), they'd also had many years of survey and knew of a fair portion of the oil deposits,
Britain needed allies against Germany and promised the nomadic tribes autonomy, they also promised a small group of Jews the return of the ancestral seat of authority and noninterference in their efforts to regain the homeland lost to Nebuchadnezzar, Cyrus, and Caesar.
At the wars end both promises were honored, but by then oil was becoming THE future. Seeing that the Arabic tribes had such a vast treasure and realizing that the scripture found in Genesis 16-10,thru 12 was about to be fulfilled. The Allies started pouring money and equipment to Israel to blunt the sons of Ishmaels ascension.
The tribes realized what was occurring and started both pushing their undesirables into the area to swell the number of malcontents while simultaneously dumping their obsolete weapons and ammo to blunt Israels goals.
After a series of very successful offensives by Israel that claimed a great deal of territory, the Allies (by now called NATO) realized that by keeping the two sides at each others throats more profit could be realized than by allowing either side to gain the upper hand. Namely it would allow more latitude in manipulating oil prices if it could be perceived that we were trying to leash Israeli success.
Thus far the balancing act has been held in place for over 70 years, neither side has gained a decisive stance and now that oil supply's are beginning to wane the perception of support for Israel is being lessened in preparation for more profitable investment.
 want to travel
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Posted: 3/9/2012 10:05:23 AM
well the truth is, Israel, should be grateful for the aid it gets from the west
it is not,every western government has tried ,to help bring peace
it did not work
time to let Israel fend for its self!
the nerve of Israel, to tell the United states that it will act unilaterally
is, well sick

will we really go to war, and maybe even, start a world war, over 10 million religious fanatics (jews)??
or get along with, over 1 billion muslims!

It is not as if they have any REAL claim to live there
the jews that where thrown out by the romans, have no resemblance to the jews that moved there, not physically, not culturally

Don't get me wrong, there is little if any difference between the arabs that live there, or on the other side of the border, There brother and sisters should have absorbed them, and that would be that!
 matchlight
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Posted: 3/9/2012 10:34:52 AM

the nerve of Israel, to tell the United states that it will act unilaterally
is, well sick


Yes--the nerve of any nation to assert its sovereign right to self-defense. No national government has to ask anyone's permission to carry out its primary duty, which is to protect its citizens. When lunatics have threatened to kill you, and they are building atomic bombs, to sit and wait for them to carry out their threat would be suicidal.

Caution can be carried to the point of danger. It may seem safe to do nothing about Iran, but in fact it would be extremely dangerous. Iran isn't a threat only to Israel. With nuclear weapons, the regime in Tehran would threaten every other oil-producing country on the Persian Gulf--Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrein, the UAE.

A pack of crazy Islamists would then have a stranglehold on enough oil to control the economy of the whole world. The U.S. can prevent Iran from closing the Strait of Hormuz now, but that would be a far more dangerous confrontation if it had atomic bombs.
 cotter
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Posted: 3/9/2012 5:04:19 PM

well the truth is, Israel, should be grateful for the aid it gets from the west
That's not the way AIPAC works ... they just have their hand out ... gimme gimme … greed is the password.

time to let Israel fend for its self!
Agree 100% ... very well put ...


the nerve of Israel, to tell the United states that it will act unilaterally
is, well sick

Israel planned on acting alone to PREVENT America from getting in trouble.
If they wanted to "PREVENT" America from getting in trouble, then why are they putting pressure on our President to back them?
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/netanyahu-will-ask-obama-to-threaten-iran-strike-1.415428
Netanyahu will ask Obama to threaten Iran strike

Intensive preparations underway to ensure a successful meeting between the two leaders next week in Washington, despite lack of trust between two sides.
By Barak Ravid

(Excerpts)
Israel wants Obama to make further-reaching declarations than the vague assertion that "all options are on the table," the official said. In particular, Netanyahu wants Obama to state unequivocally that the United States is preparing for a military operation in the event that Iran crosses certain "red lines," said the official …
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… the Obama administration suspects Netanyahu is using Congress and the Republican candidates in the presidential race to put pressure on Obama to support such a strike.

Billionaire casino magnate Sheldon Adelson, a close ally of Netanyahu's, has contributed tens of millions of dollars to Republican candidate Newt Gingrich's presidential campaign - and this certainly has not helped to increase the trust between Obama and Netanyahu. Gingrich is expected to speak at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) conference two days after Obama, and one day after Netanyahu. Like the rest of the Republican presidential candidates, Gingrich is expected to attack Obama and claim he is "weak on Iran."

The issue of strengthening U.S. rhetoric against Iran was raised last week by Israeli officials who met with Tom Donilon, the U.S. national security adviser who visited Israel last week. It was also raised by Defense Minister Ehud Barak during his Washington visit, which included a meeting with Vice President Joe Biden yesterday. Other senior Israeli officials - such as Vice Prime Minister Moshe Ya'alon (Likud ) and Deputy Prime Minister Dan Meridor (Likud) - have made similar comments to senior U.S. officials recently.
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The Obama administration's suspicions concerning Netanyahu were further fueled after Netanyahu and his advisers briefed a group of senators and senior congressmen during the past two weeks on the Iranian issue, and asked them to pressure Obama on the matter.
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Netanyahu apparently complained bitterly about certain officials in the Obama administration who spoke out against an Israeli strike on Iran. But between the lines, some suggest that Netanyahu was speaking about Obama himself, as well as the other very senior officials in the administration. He reportedly told the senators that this kind of public discourse serves the Iranians.

Donilon, who was in Israel at the same time as the senators, received the same criticism from Netanyahu and Barak. Donilon reportedly told Netanyahu and Barak that the comments made by Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, did not represent Obama's opinions, and that Obama was unhappy with Dempsey's statements, according to a senior U.S. official involved in the talks. Dempsey reportedly said, "I don't think a wise thing at this moment is for Israel to launch a military attack on Iran," and added that a strike "would be destabilizing" and "not prudent." But Dempsey changed his tone in statements yesterday during a Senate hearing. He said he had not told Israel not to attack Iran, and that the United States has not taken any options off the table.

Netanyahu does not appear to be convinced by Dempsey's backtracking, and considers such reports to be part of a coordinated campaign against an Israeli strike, according to sources. In Netanyahu's view, this is all part of a goal to enlist both Israeli and U.S. public support against such a strike, sources say, and is part of what he considers to be U.S. interference in internal Israeli affairs.

The White House was furious after McCain spoke out after the meeting with Netanyahu, said one source. McCain said, "There should be no daylight between America and Israel in our assessment of the [Iranian] threat. Unfortunately there clearly is some." The Obama administration viewed this as Israeli intervention in U.S. internal political affairs, with Netanyahu briefing McCain and McCain repeating his statements like a parrot, according to a senior U.S. official.

Netanyahu also believes that Obama's scheduled meeting with President Shimon Peres during the upcoming AIPAC conference constitutes an attempt by the United States to interfere in Israel's internal affairs, say sources. Netanyahu's suspicions were apparently heightened by last week's report in Haaretz that Peres will tell Obama that he objects to an Israeli attack on Iran.
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Peres reportedly updated Netanyahu about what he should say at the AIPAC conference, and it seems that the speech will be much more general and moderate than the original version Peres had planned. Netanyahu is also believed to have asked Peres to emphasize a number of matters in his meeting with Obama in an attempt to maintain a unified front. Whether Peres will do so remains to be seen.



You Canadians are really starting to burn my ass...
Might have to add "Americans" to that list ... because there are an awful lot of us that don't have any interest in backing the Zionists on their latest quest to bomb Iran.

It's bad enough that our support of the Zionists got our WTC destroyed ... bad enough that anything we do on behalf of the Zionists is never reciprocated. They don't support us (in fact supplied us with fake information on Iraq), don't lend a hand, and yet still continue to take billions from us in support.

Our economy goes down the tubes but do the Zionists offer even once to forfeit all the money and weapons we send them annually? No? Ya, that's what I thought.

Yes--the nerve of any nation to assert its sovereign right to self-defense.
No one has attacked the Zionists.

When lunatics have threatened to kill you ...
No idea what that means because we all know that "Wipe Israel off the map" thing was a hoax orchestrated by MEMRI ... right?

... and they are building atomic bombs
Who is building "atomic bombs"?
 red_fir
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Posted: 3/9/2012 7:19:08 PM
will we really go to war, and maybe even, start a world war, over 10 million religious fanatics (jews)??
or get along with, over 1 billion muslims!


Umm.....once again I believe your perceptions are erroneous.

There has never been a historical precedent of anyone "getting along" with Islam.
Islam has had wars with every single culture that ever had the misfortune to share its borders.
Read up on the Ottoman Empire, the Armenian Genocide, (really it was a warm up effort that Hitler took to the next level), the current (and historical) lot of the Kurds,
If you'd like a more modern perspective read about the Christians in Bethlehem or the Christians in any of the country's involved in the "Arab Spring".

Christian, Jews, Hindu, Animists Wiccans, Buddhists, you name it, are all the same in the eyes of Sharia law.

And while you may find a few apologist Muslims, Sharia is the end all and be all of fundamentalism, maybe you didn't notice all the prayer bumps (or maybe you just don't know what they are) but people whom grind their head into a prayer mat hard enough to make a permanent callus are well rooted in the fundaments of their faith. And prayer bumps are common in Islamic leadership.
Abortion discussions don't get a whole lot of traction with Sharia because it advocates simply stoning the woman at the least infraction far before there's a need for an abortion.

If you really think you can "get along" get a copy of the four different sects Sharia code and see how many thing in YOUR life deserve the ultimate punishment according to Sharia then see how many things would result in your wife or daughters demise.

And frankly your idea that Israel needs to consult with the U.S. seems arrogant at best, Israel is a sovereign nation (wonderful idea sovereignty, why is it U.S. citizens are no longer referred to as "sovereign citizens?) that gave us the courtesy of a heads up, like the faithful ally they've always been (when it served their interests) but they were under no compulsion to do so.
 red_fir
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Posted: 3/9/2012 7:33:09 PM
No one has attacked the Zionists.

Well ...... if suicide bombers and rockets don't count for anything but party favors they're havin a hell of a good time over there......


and I like the part about ;

{it is not,every western government has tried ,to help bring peace};

Really peace has not been the focal point of any western government, what the western governments want is STABILITY,

that's politically correct code for the uninterrupted flow of money and assets into the coffers of the wealthy.
 whiskeypapa
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Posted: 3/9/2012 7:40:19 PM
Oh, so all those people you killed in Gaza recently were actually suicides. That explains it all.
 cotter
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Posted: 3/9/2012 8:46:20 PM


It's bad enough that our support of the Zionists got our WTC destroyed ...

And no civilian really knows exactly why the tragedy occured so don't speculate so quickly.
Not speculation ... it's all in the report. KSM openly admitted why it was done.

... Osama bin Laden just happened to be theirs.
No, he was ours.

We bought and paid for his services years ago. He too openly admitted why he ordered the job on the WTC ... all related to our support of the Zionists.

... like the faithful ally they've always been ...
Ya ... tell that to the sailors on the USS Liberty ... tell it to the American citizens they torture regularly. Some ally we have in Israel ...
 red_fir
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Posted: 3/10/2012 6:57:27 AM
The Liberty seems to be an isolated and aberrational case, but granted far from friendly, it was also 40 years ago and hardly set the tone for relations.
As for the detention and torture of foreign nationals with tenuous reason, Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib leave the U.S. little maneuvering room to take the moral high ground,

In the long run Israel has been an ally for the best of reasons, a shared paradigm of eventual right and wrong.
Islams representatives however make the news with incidents like Lockerbie, Munich, beheadings, 9/11, and show no sign of remorse or stopping in the foreseeable future.

Even without support for Israel, Islam is a potent source of evil actions and poisonous rhetoric, that should be stood against on its own merits, having allies is just a trace of sweetness on a bitter pill.
 Aristotle_Amadopolis
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Posted: 3/10/2012 7:19:45 AM

If I am wrong then I will admit it. If anyone can give me credible information on these allegations that he "is ours" "we made him" "we owned him" then feel free to send them my way

I would say no, because regardless what someone shows you, you will just say it is not credible and ignore the information provided.


Though please feel free to discount any of these:

lmgtfy:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Osama+Bin+Laden+connection+to+the+USA%3F
 matchlight
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Posted: 3/10/2012 11:10:58 AM

we all know that "Wipe Israel off the map" thing was a hoax orchestrated by MEMRI ... right?


I don't know any such thing. I do know that MEMRI is a reliable organization.


Who is building "atomic bombs"?


No serious person can doubt that Iran is developing nuclear weapons. The recent IAEA report discussed in detail a number of technical features of Iran's nuclear program, explaining why they are telltale signs its purpose is to produce weapons.


No one has attacked the Zionists.


That is false. Hizballah, which Iran created as its proxy in Lebanon attacked Israel on a large scale in 2006, firing thousands of artillery rockets at Israeli civilians.

Hizballah has always cooperated closely with Syria, which has almost continuously occupied the Bekaa Valley of eastern Lebanon with its military. Hizballah now has a large arsenal--including about 40,000 artillery rockets, some with a range of more than 100 miles--supplied to it by Iran through Syria.

In the fall of 2007, Israel destroyed a nuclear reactor on the Euphrates in eastern Syria. There are close-up photos of it on the internet. The reactor's design was unusual, but almost identical to one North Korea uses to produce fissionable material for nuclear weapons. It's not clear if this reactor was part of Iran's weapons program, or the first big step in Syria's own.
 want to travel
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Posted: 3/10/2012 1:16:39 PM
OK
first of all, it is Israel, that has a huge collection, of nukes
they did not develop this technology
There spies STOLE it from the USA
Israel is the threat to all of the region

Lets look at Israel, no western government wanted an Israel
Britan had to deal with hundreds of terrorist acts, thrown against it by the Zionists
since 1948 Israel has done very little to co operate to bring peace to the region
the Jews have no historical,or cultural claim, to the land, they have not been present there for over 2000 years
the people who settled there, are mostly Europeans, and Russians, one can not even argue that they have one religion
Another fact is Israel will vanish, all by its self, they are in a serious population decline
the Arabs are in a population boom

the truth is this
I really do not like the fact that the Arabs, feel good about showering jewish civilians with rockets and bombs
What I really hate is the first chance the arabs in Israel got to vote, they voted for a terrorist org.
I also think it is just stupid for the Arab countries not to just absorb the 1.5 million, living in Israel

What I hate about Israel, is there attitude , of the west must defend us, the west must fund us, and most recently the west must obey us!!

with that kind of an attitude,let them sort there own problems out!
cut off Israels funding,supply of weapons and technology, I am sure within a very short time they would make pace
I would have to say ,in RECORD time!!

The USA did not ask Israel to stop existing, or not to defend itself, just to let diplomacy work
for this the president of the USA, was scolded

with an ally like that who needs enemies
 whiskeypapa
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Posted: 3/10/2012 1:25:32 PM

I do know that MEMRI is a reliable organization.


That's a good one matchee. actually MEMRI is a fount of misinformation aimed at credulous islamophobes.

Hezbollah and Hamas are home grown resistance movements to zionist oppression and occupation. While Iran may give moral support they are not proxies of Iran.

Hezbollah kicked the zionists out of South Lebanon and denied them the Litani River which they coveted. Hamas was created by the zionists to weaken Fatah, this divide and conquer ploy worked to a degree except for the conquer part. Hamas still will not give up their claim to the rich oil and gas fields off their coast.
 cotter
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Posted: 3/10/2012 2:40:47 PM

No idea what that means because we all know that "Wipe Israel off the map" thing was a hoax orchestrated by MEMRI ... right?

I don't know any such thing. I do know that MEMRI is a reliable organization.
Uh huh ...
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Middle_East_Media_Research_Institute
MEMRI is operated by a group closely associated with the Israeli intelligence organizations. Now, in an article in Haaretz, we find that the Israeli Army has sought to plant stories about "terrorism" in the press, and ...

"Psychological warfare officers were in touch with Israeli journalists covering the Arab world, gave them translated articles from Arab papers (which were planted by the [Israel Defense Forces] IDF) and pressed the Israeli reporters to publish the same news here." --Amos Harel, IDF reviving psychological warfare unit, Haaretz, January 25, 2005.

This should raise a question or two about the reliability and veracity of the stories peddled by MEMRI.

This is what Prof. Juan Cole had to say about this:
"So is MEMRI, which translates articles from the Arabic press into English for thousands of US subscribers, in any way involved in all this? Its director formerly served in… Israeli military intelligence. How much of what we "know" from "Arab sources" about "Hizbullah terrorism" was simply made up by this fantasy factory in Tel Aviv?
As someone who reads the Arabic press quite a lot, this sort of revelation is extremely disturbing.
I also saw an allegation that British military intelligence had planted stories in the US press about Saddam's Iraq.
You begin to wonder how much of what you think you know is just propaganda manufactured by some bored colonel. No wonder post-Baath Iraq looks nothing like what we were led to to expect by the press, including the Arab press!
"

Another assessment:
If you rely on MEMRI for your knowledge of Arab discourse, you are really not informed. Arab public opinion, based on MEMRI's releases, is reduced or caricatured to either Bin Laden fans or Bush fans, while Arab public opinion is mostly a fan of neither people. --As'ad AbuKhalil

Although widely used in the mainstream media as a source of information on the Arab world, it (MEMRI) is as trustworthy as Julius Streicher's Der Sturmer was on the Jewish world. --Norman Finkelstein


I post the following not for the above post but in an effort to enlighten others who may not know about Zionist lies ... in an effort to poison others against Islam in general.

One very prominent lie the Zionists just love to repeat and repeat and repeat and repeat to the nth degree is the MEMRI translation of something Mahmoud Ahmadinejad supposedly said.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad spoke in Farsi when making the speech and believe it or not, it was first brought to my attention by several POF posters who actually speak Farsi and English fluently. POF is quite diverse ... and so when the topic was first being discussed years ago, there were any number of threads that these (really smart) folks were participating in.

Unfortunately through lots of trolling (gee, go figure), many of the threads have disappeared, but at least the truth persists ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel

"Wiped off the map" controversy

On October 26, 2005, IRIB News, an English-language subsidiary of the state-controlled Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB), filed a story on Ahmadinejad's speech to the "World Without Zionism" conference in Asia, entitled: Ahmadinejad: Israel must be wiped off the map. The story was picked up by Western news agencies and quickly made headlines around the world. On October 30, The New York Times published a full transcript of the speech in which Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying:

Our dear Imam (referring to Ayatollah Khomeini) said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to create a new front in the heart of an old front. This would be a defeat and whoever accepts the legitimacy of this regime has in fact, signed the defeat of the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted the heart of the world oppressor in his struggle, meaning the occupying regime. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world.

Ahmadinejad said that the issue with Palestine would be over "the day that all refugees return to their homes [and] a democratic government elected by the people comes to power", and denounced attempts to normalise relations with Israel, condemning all Muslim leaders who accept the existence of Israel as "acknowledging a surrender and defeat of the Islamic world."

The speech indicated that he considered Israel's withdrawal from the Gaza Strip to be a trick, designed to gain acknowledgment from Islamic states. In a rally held two days later, Ahmadinejad declared that his words reflected the views of the Iranian people, adding that Western world was free to comment, but its reactions were invalid.

Translation controversy
Many news sources repeated the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting statement by Ahmadinejad that "Israel must be wiped off the map", an English idiom which means to "cause a place to stop existing", or to "obliterate totally", or "destroy completely".

Ahmadinejad's phrase was " (This was Farsi and would not copy to the POF site)" according to the text published on the President's Office's website.

The translation presented by the official Islamic Republic News Agency has been challenged by Arash Norouzi, who says the statement "wiped off the map" was never made and that Ahmadinejad did not refer to the nation or land mass of Israel, but to the "regime occupying Jerusalem". Norouzi translated the original Persian to English, with the result, "the Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."

Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, agrees that Ahmadinejad's statement should be translated as, "the Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad).

According to Cole, "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to 'wipe Israel off the map' because no such idiom exists in Persian." Instead, "he did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse." The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) translated the phrase similarly, as "this regime" must be "eliminated from the pages of history."

Iranian government sources denied that Ahmadinejad issued any sort of threat. On 20 February 2006, Iran's foreign minister Manouchehr Mottaki told a news conference: "How is it possible to remove a country from the map? He is talking about the regime. We do not recognize legally this regime."

Shiraz Dossa, a professor of Political Science at St. Francis Xavier University in Nova Scotia, Canada, also believes the text is a mistranslation.


... they voted for a terrorist org.
Perhaps we need to take a closer look at who labels what organizations as "Terrorist". If you speak of "Dumbya" ... then you speak of the world's biggest "Terrorist" himself.
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Posted: 3/10/2012 3:25:02 PM
It makes no difference if the translation of Ahmedinejad's statement was accurate. He and others in that regime have made their hostility toward Israel clear many times. They've shown it, too. In 1994, Iranian agents went clear to Buenos Aires to set bombs expressly to murder Jews--which they did. The evil men who rule Iran are very much still Khomeinists, just as anti-Semitic and just as dedicated to violence.

I can understand how nations like Syria and Egypt and Jordan, which have gone to war with Israel, could still harbor animosity toward it. But what has Israel ever done against Iran, a nation 1,500 miles away? Nothing.
 whiskeypapa
Joined: 5/19/2008
Msg: 397
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Posted: 3/10/2012 6:09:32 PM
Still jousting with the "windmills in your mind" I see.

The US and isreal had a ready patsy when the bombs went off in the Buenos Aires but they had no evidence . FBI investigators questioned why if a car bomb leveled the buildings why were buildings across the street undamaged. The main source of information turned out to be a hardup used car salesman. A judge was impeached still, the US/isreal maintained that Hezbollah traveled to the other side of the world to blow up jews even though their were plenty next door to Lebanon.

If Khomeini was so evil why did he issue Fatwas protecting Jews and Christians?

What has isreal done to Iran??? It has only been threatening to blow it up for the last sixteen years. Clearly the Rothchilds feel threatened by the Iranian banking system. Islam proscribes usury--compound interest is the lifeblood of the Rothchilds.
 judydentures
Joined: 2/27/2012
Msg: 398
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Posted: 3/10/2012 6:45:37 PM
I think that the greatest world problem is....the elites who think they know the best way for all of us to live. This translates to riches and power for them, and peasantry for the rest of humanity. Animal Farm writ large.
Currently, the tribe wants to get us into another disastrous war, to send white Christian rednecks to die in the middle east. While that very same tribe insists that massive third world immigration is a VERY GOOD THING....because it will result in making those same white Christian rednecks a minority by 2042.
I fail to see the logic here.
Open borders for America.....GOOD!
Open borders for Israel.....BAD!!!!!
People are starting to notice the hypocrisy.

So....to sum it up....I think that the tribe of which I spoke...has a big problem with supremacy....and trying to run the entire show. Is this the greatest of all of the world's problems? I don't know. But it's the biggest problem that I know about.
 Earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 399
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Posted: 3/11/2012 3:22:21 AM
Jon Stewart of course, is among the few who gets it on the current tensions. There are Election cycles going on in the US, Israel, and Iran and the crazies tend to crawl out of the woodwork during these cycles. The top 3 remaining Republican candidates here are horny for Nuking Iran to show that, despite evidence to the contrary, they have balls. Chickenhawks drove the Bush oil wars.

Israel DOES have the capacity to blow Iran off the map and has blustered mightily to do so. I can understand the need for Iran to want to defend itself or at least pretend to have the capacity to do so. We would do no less if surrounded by an empire, an empire that has mucked around in our internal affairs and is threatening to nuke us to oblivion. Look at the map of who is threatening whom...not including naval and air power poised.
http://www.juancole.com/2011/12/iran-has-us-surrounded-all-right.html

One of the gravest world problems will remain the cavalier attitude by chickenhawk politicians toward starting a global nuclear war. Doing so to appeal to their base, that believes a book that says it must happen to get to a heaven with halos, harps, streets of gold and rivers flowing with milk and honey. How crazy is that? It is our forced presence in Middle East holy lands, and support of Israel terrorism that causes tensions in the region. If we want to stop crazy...we need to quit being so ourselves and distributing it wholesale.
 judydentures
Joined: 2/27/2012
Msg: 400
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Posted: 3/11/2012 6:32:04 AM
This is correct, but you don't understand how it works now.
Yes, at one time we actually told Israel what to do. Some presidents had the balls to threaten to cut off funding when they were not cooperating. We used to have some influence. Now that situation has totally flipped, and the tail wags the dog, and it's been this way for a long time. We've followed the neocon narrative since the early 90's, and in fact they've actually blabbed about wanting regime changes in the region since the early 90's.
(Read "Clean Break", the Israel think tank paper penned by Richard Perle and crew)
Kristol and Perle had to blurt out their wishes publicly for all to see, and the result as you say, is an Iran that is very wary. In fact, I'm not sure if it's true(since I don't speak the language) but the translation of their leader's "death to Israel" speech might have been simply the same exact rhetoric that Israel has spouted at Iran for the last 20 years, ie,
"their leadership has to go, time for regime change."
Unlike some of the folks here. I DO believe in Israel's right to exist and I DO believe that Israel has an historical claim. In any case, they aren't going anywhere so the Arabs need to get used to it.
Having said that, I do not think that Israel should be driving our foreign policy. Iraq was a disaster, obviously, and if you look into it, you can thank the neocons for the entire mess.
The Israel firsters have no place in our government. The horrible truth is that allowing Israel to run the show hurts Israel as much as it hurts the USA.
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