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 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
Msg: 26
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Interesting only one poster would vote for him so far? interesting.

most would not, a few dont care and a few likes Obama .
 sum1reel
Joined: 6/5/2005
Msg: 27
Trump for President
Posted: 4/14/2011 9:43:55 PM
Even if Trump were truly a "good businessman"....it still would not translate into him being a good leader/president.....no more than a good ball player could be a good coach!

Being a "good" president is a function of:
1. how well you are able to work with your opposing party to get things done.
2. the kinda staff you surround yourself with--> are they free thinking idea producing individuals or are they ego-stroking yes-men!
3. having the knowledge and foresight of what impact your policies will have.

Now think of Trump!......a man who clearly is dictatorial and abrasive isn't gonna get too many to side with him unless he makes big concessions...which is something he doesn't like doing.........a man who doesn't like to be criticized or called out when he's wrong.......a man who clearly did not make the best of decisions in his own field.....and Trump doesn't run his business like a democracy!

If you see what effects some-one like Trump would have.....then look at Italy, where they have Silvio Berlusconi, a self made Billionaire... whose business skills haven't had much impact in his own nation!.....he's always involved in some form of controversy and is mired in all types of scandals (some real, some made up).....and to top it off, as with Trump, he likes banging women much younger than him!

This is what happens when you bring in a man, whose ego is bigger than a mountain!
 gardenias2
Joined: 1/13/2011
Msg: 28
Trump for President
Posted: 4/15/2011 1:27:13 AM
well iceman i'd like to say, "what a ludicrous question"? however i remember that his books on how to become a greedy unethical self-centered idiot have been best sellers in the usa for decades. one too many americans think he's all that.

disturbing no?
 abelian
Joined: 1/12/2008
Msg: 29
Trump for President
Posted: 4/15/2011 3:46:01 AM

If Trump does run he will truly make the US a laughing stock.

I think you meant perpetuate that perception.

Why don't the Americans just create a "Birther Fringe Party" and fully embrace the crazy?

It's called the Tea Party.
 raxarsr
Joined: 7/10/2008
Msg: 30
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Posted: 4/15/2011 12:27:08 PM
while i dont particulary care for donald trum...........i honestly do have to wonder what would be wrong with a proven successfull businesman being the president?.

think about it......how many times have we all heard........"if someone ran a business like they run the government...they'd be out of busniess in a month


honestly........i think a successfull business man is a whole lot better than a career politician
 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
Msg: 31
Trump for President
Posted: 4/15/2011 1:39:06 PM
why is it a ludicrous question gardenias? 25 years ago If you and sat down over a drink and I said by 2008 there will be a Black President you would of thought I was a piece of chicken short a snack pack?

What's scary is if they amend the Second Article of the US Constitution to allow foriegn born to run, you may see the likes of Schwarzenegger run.

Im not saying that Trump running for president is a good idea, but it makes you think what over media hungry celebrity might throw their hat in?

Something raxarsr said that's been echoed many times, A successful business person should run the government , they understand what it takes to be successful to make changes and to adapt and prosper, not some life long bureaucrat that has collects paycheques for a living.
 FrankNStein902
Joined: 12/26/2009
Msg: 32
Trump for President
Posted: 4/15/2011 1:43:42 PM

honestly........i think a successfull business man is a whole lot better than a career politician

Well if you consider someone who managed to bankrupt a casino three times then Trump is your man.

...and why not.

You've already had a guy who managed to bankrupt oil companies in Texas, and that turned out petty good from what I saw on fox news.
 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
Msg: 33
Trump for President
Posted: 4/15/2011 1:48:55 PM
Notatowniegirl, okay did you miss the part in my original Post where I said HELL NO
and my other post saying I dont think Trump running is a good idea

While im not a fan of Trump, he him self didn't go bankrupt , his companies did
 gardenias2
Joined: 1/13/2011
Msg: 34
Trump for President
Posted: 4/15/2011 3:07:05 PM
why is it a ludicrous question gardenias? 25 years ago If you and sat down over a drink and I said by 2008 there will be a Black President you would of thought I was a piece of chicken short a snack pack?


first, i would have never thought you a piece short of a snack pack or a bucket of chicken, even after a drink together. and second obama is not black. that just drives me crazy, he's half white doesn't make him black. sorry you cannot claim him, he's mine too! lol.

to answer your question.....i said that i WISHED it was a ludicrous question as to whether a meglomaniac could be voted into the usa presidency however bush got in there.
 daynadaze
Joined: 2/11/2008
Msg: 35
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Posted: 4/15/2011 3:44:32 PM
Because, again, the country is not a business, it's people, they are not products. The head of a country is suppose to do what is best for as many as possible, not make a profit at the expense of human life or the life of other things that live and grow in the USA. It's not a business, we aren't looking for more bonus packages for politicians, we are looking for someone who can make the lives of the citizens better, not a good place for even more of the celebrity rich people to make more money off the backs of the working poor.

If you run a company like a government, you'd be bankrupted in no time, since the point of running a company is to make profits. If you run the government like a company, you might make some bucks for the all-ready-rich but you'd bankrupt the majority of the population. Why not just toss all the people who aren't Trump-good-enough out into the ocean and tell them to swim for Cuba, because they aren't wanted in the Nation of Big Business.

~shakes head~
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 36
Trump for President
Posted: 4/15/2011 4:45:39 PM

I wonder how Trump plans to explain his 2012 campaign relative to his 2000 campaign, where he insisted that the Americans needed universal health care similar to what we have in Canada.


I hate to say: you're right...I'd completely forgotten Mr. Comb-over was briefly in the 2000 election mentionables...

"We must have universal healthcare," wrote Trump. "I'm a conservative on most issues but a liberal on this one. We should not hear so many stories of families ruined by healthcare expenses."

The goal of health care reform, wrote Trump, should be a system that looks a lot like Canada. "Doctors might be paid less than they are now, as is the case in Canada, but they would be able to treat more patients because of the reduction in their paperwork," he writes.

http://www.slate.com/id/2291263/


Gads what will the Teapublicans say to this...and there's no way to back away from these statements gracefully.

Yanno...back in the day I thought a Libratarian like Ross Perot would be good for the country...and then I started to think about giving him the nuclear launch access codes...and I thought-well, perhaps we need someone else.
 sum1reel
Joined: 6/5/2005
Msg: 37
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Posted: 4/15/2011 8:32:24 PM
At least Berlusconi, with his Lega Nord partners has done some good things for the country.


what little good he may have done is greatly over-shadowed by the wide array of controversies/scandals he is caught up in............anyway my point was that just because he was(is) a good business man, does NOT necessarily mean that his country will benefit from it....a business is run by authoritarian rule, but a democracy is not!


 nipoleon
Joined: 12/27/2005
Msg: 38
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Posted: 4/15/2011 10:01:01 PM

A successful business person should run the government , they understand what it takes to be successful to make changes and to adapt and prosper, not some life long bureaucrat that has collects paycheques for a living

Just because a farmer knows how to ride a horse doesn't mean he's qualified to be in the Kentucky Derby.

Government is not a business and few businesses are democracies.
Business is about making money, government is about public service. It's not the job of government to make a profit. Any businessman who doesn't know how to make a profit will fail. Any elected official who doesn't know how to serve the public should be ousted.

Donald Trump will not actually run for president, despite how entertaining that would be.
Trump is too vain to allow his real financial status become public knowledge.
 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
Msg: 39
Trump for President
Posted: 4/15/2011 10:05:10 PM

Just because a farmer knows how to ride a horse doesn't mean he's qualified to be in the Kentucky Derby.
Last week I made Mango Chicken dish, does that make me a chef or a good cook?...... look.... one has nothing to do with the other.


Government is not a business and few businesses are democracies.
Business is about making money, government is about public service. It's not the job of government to make a profit. Any businessman who doesn't know how to make a profit will fail. Any elected official who doesn't know how to serve the public should be ousted.
And a business man will stop the wasteful spending and silly programs that are drain to the public and tax payers
Second America isn't a democracy its more a republic
 nipoleon
Joined: 12/27/2005
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Posted: 4/16/2011 2:59:54 AM
Oh the great and noble businessman.
That white knight of the free market, out in the jungle battling the competition every day.
Excuse me if I don't get all bleary eyed.

Every election cycle some guy comes around and brags about what a great businessman he is and how he needs to be elected into office. " I know what it means to meet a payroll ", He'll say.

Yea, how many times did he do it.... once ?

Anybody who's as great at business as he claims to be knows better than to go into public service. Or else he's a fool, or he thinks everyone else is a fool. Or, he's planning on ripping off the government coffers.

The fact is that, the president really has very little power to do anything. If a president get's %10 of what he wants, he's a great success. No one guy is going to come in and clean up Washington, especially not Donald Trump.
Trump's not a billionaire anymore, the only reason he's on TV is because he needs the money. He ran his own businesses into the ground years ago. He's just doing this for publicity and ratings.
 abelian
Joined: 1/12/2008
Msg: 41
Trump for President
Posted: 4/16/2011 4:28:38 AM
i think a successfull business man is a whole lot better than a career politician

(1) Trump is only ``successful'' in the sense that he started out in life with a few million of daddy's money, a position in daddy's company and managed to remain personally wealthy while only losing his investor's money in his bankruptcies. That sounds a lot like many politicians if you ask me. Only an idiot could start out with what he had and end up destitute so the fact that he's still wealthy is only a testament to his ability to lose other people's money instead of his own.


Something raxarsr said that's been echoed many times, A successful business person should run the government , they understand what it takes to be successful to make changes and to adapt and prosper, not some life long bureaucrat that has collects paycheques for a living.


(2) The ``business'' of government is to perform those services that people want but which private industry finds too unprofitable to perform for what people want to pay. Government services are nothing like running a for profit business. You don't get to choose your products and services or target a particular market. If Trump can't succeed with for profit businesses of his own choosing, he won't do any better with government services.

(3) Government services are generally not that inefficient. If you think otherwise, try evading the IRS.
 angelo0311
Joined: 12/22/2010
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Posted: 4/16/2011 9:05:20 AM
The country is in financial turmoil ,financial ruin and he's a proven buisness man . On the other hand we have obama the best sales man to ever walk the earth . How funny did voting for an actor seem (regan) ? And really can he fuc$ it up any worse ? i seriously doubt it .
 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
Msg: 43
Trump for President
Posted: 4/16/2011 10:00:29 AM

Oh the great and noble businessman.
That white knight of the free market, out in the jungle battling the competition every day.
Excuse me if I don't get all bleary eyed.
Here we go again blame the free market eh? Good Lord I wish there was a free market with no government intervention

Yeah yeah yeah You blame the free market for the Market crash too? free market did not cause the crisis because the U.S. is not even close to being a free-market economy. Massive government interventions in the market in the form of myriad regulations and financial irresponsibility on the part of the government are really to blame.


Every election cycle some guy comes around and brags about what a great businessman he is and how he needs to be elected into office. " I know what it means to meet a payroll ", He'll say.
so what? what's your point?


Anybody who's as great at business as he claims to be knows better than to go into public service. Or else he's a fool, or he thinks everyone else is a fool. Or, he's planning on ripping off the government coffers.
says you? care to generalize even more? you know this for fact? show me some stats backing up this ridiculous claim of yours? Lots of successful business people run for office after they made their money, its called Freedom to what they want to do, maybe you heard about it " freedom" some dont do it for the money, Bloomberg comes to mind, is he a fool or trying to rip off the govt?


The fact is that, the president really has very little power to do anything. If a president get's %10 of what he wants, he's a great success. No one guy is going to come in and clean up Washington, especially not Donald Trump.
Trump's not a billionaire anymore, the only reason he's on TV is because he needs the money. He ran his own businesses into the ground years ago. He's just doing this for publicity and ratings.

Nobody says that Trump would clean up anything, He's not that great of a businessman, he only got lucky because he knew how to schmooze, he's a snake oil salesman with a bad hair do, that was smart enough to take advantage of leveraging he's not a capitalist he's just some hump smart enough to take advantage of leveraging and publicity ....

Who cares if Trump is a billionaire anymore or how he runs his business? maybe he's doing it for the publicity who knows and who cares? I dont,I wonder what you will say if and when Oprah runs for the presidency? what will you say to that Mr Anti Capitalist
 nipoleon
Joined: 12/27/2005
Msg: 44
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Posted: 4/16/2011 10:17:28 AM

Government exists primarily to redistribute wealth.

I'm afraid you've fallen victim to one of the evil, destructive lies that have infected our society for the last 40 years.
No, government does not exist to redistribute anybody's wealth.

The reason government exists is to insure..... fairness..... in society.
The struggle in every society is the balance between freedom and equality. No government can provide absolute equality or perfect freedom for everyone. But.... a government can provide fairness for everyone.
A government can insure that everyone is treated fair. Like Kennedy said, " We all breath the same air, we all drink the same water.... ".
That no one can take unfair advantage of anyone else for any reason. It's also called justice.

This notion of " redistributing wealth ", is a lot of propaganda BS.
 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
Msg: 45
Trump for President
Posted: 4/16/2011 10:25:22 AM

I'm afraid you've fallen victim to one of the evil, destructive lies that have infected our society for the last 40 years.
No, government does not exist to redistribute anybody's wealth.

The reason government exists is to insure..... fairness..... in society.
The struggle in every society is the balance between freedom and equality. No government can provide absolute equality or perfect freedom for everyone. But.... a government can provide fairness for everyone.
A government can insure that everyone is treated fair. Like Kennedy said, " We all breath the same air, we all drink the same water.... ".
That no one can take unfair advantage of anyone else for any reason. It's also called justice.

This notion of " redistributing wealth ", is a lot of propaganda BS.
That is the first thing that you said that I agree with 100% .... 100% agree ...100% agree and did I mentioned 100% agree with.
 Ailliss
Joined: 3/16/2010
Msg: 46
Trump for President
Posted: 4/16/2011 2:33:37 PM
I would definitely vote for Trump if he was the Republican candidate. He may not be ideal but he is definitely better than Obama.

Forbes, Trump's wealth was valued at $2.7 Billion in March 2011
 sum1reel
Joined: 6/5/2005
Msg: 47
Trump for President
Posted: 4/16/2011 3:02:01 PM

I would definitely vote for Trump if he was the Republican candidate.


^ don't be naive!...big wealthy individuals like Trump, Bush Sr & Jr, Cheney are NOT true Republicans....like Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan.

They have simply co-opted the Party for their own agenda and that of their Cronies.
 Ailliss
Joined: 3/16/2010
Msg: 48
Trump for President
Posted: 4/16/2011 3:08:26 PM
^^^^^^^
Agree; but he is still better than Obama. My ideal candidate would be Mitt Romney, successful in business and politics. Additionally he has more ethical fiber than Trump or Obama.
 sum1reel
Joined: 6/5/2005
Msg: 49
Trump for President
Posted: 4/17/2011 6:35:43 PM

Mitt Romney, successful in business and politics.


Mitt is played out.....he waffled a lot in the rep primary, and lost to McCain.....What the Repubs need is an infusion of new blood, from young stallions like Jindhal and mark Rubio, who are bright and energetic......but until the old fartz concede to a younger generation, the GOP will not pose a scare to Obama in the next election.


but he is still better than Obama.


Trump isn't "better" than anyone (from either party)...he has turned himself into a media-buffoon, with bad hair and ill-fitting suits, yapping relentlessly about birth-certificates.

What makes a president good is how he is able to work with the opposing party to get things done....and how he articulates his messages to the pple, in order to gain support.......Trump can't do either!...he is a brash dictatorial guy which might be important as a CEO in his business, but would be a detriment in the oval office where he won't be intimidating anyone at all!
 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
Msg: 50
Trump for President
Posted: 4/17/2011 7:46:10 PM
I never said Trump was a good businessman, he's a snake oil salesman that is good in negotiating thats all, like I said I never said he was a good businessman.
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