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 Talvisota
Joined: 5/16/2011
Msg: 60
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It's also bull that they released his remains into the ocean.

Pretty much corporate media silencing any way of ever appealing about the issue again.
"Oh, we dumped his bones into the ocean. No way they can prove how he died now."

The fact is: Bin Laden was just a scapegoat for the whole 9/11 joke. Yeah, he was involved in some dirty business with the oil with the Bush family and the carlisle group. But the fact that people were celebrating his death just disgusts me.

Just goes to show that humanity still isn't grown up, and we all need to get f'in real.
 Tah,
Joined: 11/18/2008
Msg: 61
Osama bin Laden.
Posted: 6/28/2011 6:41:04 PM
Years ago Chuck norris went looking for Bin Laden but gave up because he was a bit stiff and chuck has always respected bin ladens body gaurd Riga mortis.
 edgarwinter54
Joined: 6/28/2011
Msg: 63
Osama bin Laden.
Posted: 7/1/2011 10:16:07 PM

So being a hero is shooting an unarmed male in the head these days is it? Brilliant!...{/quote]

Some people feel the need to use the word hero here and in the media.

But I'm quite certain that the fellow who pulled that trigger doesn't call himself a hero. He was merely doing his duty, following the orders set for him on this mssion.
And yes, sometimes in war doing your duty meand shooting an unarmed male in the head.

There's nothing pretty about war. The killing of Bin Laden simply reinforces that.
 Indi_guy
Joined: 5/10/2010
Msg: 64
Osama bin Laden.
Posted: 7/2/2011 2:22:07 AM
That was payback for 9/11 when they basically sent in a kill squad.

I think the order would have been to capture him dead or alive. I think there was a fair amount of politics mixed in with all that with Obama's saying he gave the green light to the operation in the press announcement later.

What struck me at the time was how does that differ from a mafia hit or even a terrorist attack. I think even if they did capture him alive he would have had a 'trial' (probably in the US and not the International Court) and they would have hanged him later like Suddam; same outcome I guess. We've come so far since after WW2...
 CountIbli
Joined: 6/1/2005
Msg: 65
Osama bin Laden.
Posted: 7/2/2011 4:07:50 PM
"But I'm quite certain that the fellow who pulled that trigger doesn't call himself a hero. He was merely doing his duty, following the orders set for him on this mssion.
And yes, sometimes in war doing your duty meand shooting an unarmed male in the head."

If it was anyone besides OBL the Left would be screaming "War Crime!"
 UnixGrand
Joined: 5/9/2011
Msg: 66
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Posted: 7/4/2011 10:23:41 AM

And yes, sometimes in war doing your duty meand shooting an unarmed male in the head."


I think you meant using a woman as a human shield. Everyone forgets that a woman died as well. He was not man enough to die in dignity, but he held a woman to her death before he bought it.
 Earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 68
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Posted: 7/4/2011 11:34:00 AM
^^^The previous two assertions made on the basis of propaganda, not any certifiable or reliable source beyond what the OFFICIAL story states. We may never know if there was a bin Laden, or the circumstances surrounding his demise if true. Yeah..I know...Saddam had WMDs and ties to al Quaeda, we are winning the war on terrorism, and war is peace...
 Earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 70
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Posted: 7/4/2011 1:19:38 PM
There is a vast difference between conspiracy theories, and the awareness of, and understanding of our government's willingness to use PSYOPs on the American public. Just as we were subject to it during the Vietnam era, it became even more pronounced and blatant during the Bush Iraq Attack buildup, execution and aftermath. From "embedding" all the reporters to deployment of the Pentagon Miliary Analyst program, to the concerted 935 lies that led to that war, PSYOPs were employed so effectively that the vast majority of the US public and troops thought we went to Iraq in retaliation for 9/11.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Pentagon_military_analyst_program

From 9/11 forward, there are many facets of the official story that remain unbelievable, or far-fetched. The end-game of bin Laden fit nicely into the pattern of lies, obfuscation, ommission, subterfuge, and lack of documented evidence. The Pat Tillman story was just another tragedy in the middle of all these lies that cause many of us to have great difficulty in just swallowing the popularlized, and propagandized media messages we are meant to swollow without a doubt.

The "believe it or leave it" nonsense withstanding, it is our duty and moral responsibility to question our government when we know or feel we are being lied to yet again. Demanding truth and accountabilty is part of our job in this society.
 UnixGrand
Joined: 5/9/2011
Msg: 76
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Posted: 8/4/2011 12:25:27 PM
Our mistake was not listening to Congressmen Charlie Wilson back in the 80's. We helped OBL by giving the rebels stinger rockets to shoot down Soviet gunships. We never stayed after the Soviets left Afghanistan. We were supposed to help rebuild, and educate the people who are all very young. That was our mistake. We thought that since the Soviets where gone, it was over. Big mistake. It only riled the mujaheddin, and OBL. This whole thing could have been avoided.
 swingarm1966
Joined: 3/27/2011
Msg: 78
Osama bin Laden.
Posted: 8/4/2011 12:48:26 PM
Your attachment to consensus reality is due the fear of your world crumbling PaulK. Let is crumble ..clinging causes suffering :) let it go and awaken to the real world :)

Love you PK :)
 etourdi65
Joined: 1/23/2014
Msg: 80
Osama bin Laden.
Posted: 8/1/2014 4:26:51 AM
I guess all the Bush haters should tone done their rhetoric about Bush and Bin Laden..Clinton said this "I nearly got him. And I could have killed him, but I would have had to destroy a little town called Kandahar in Afghanistan and kill 300 innocent women and children, and then I would have been no better than him.
“And so I didn’t do it.”
http://abcnews.go.com/US/bill-clinton-hours-911-attacks-killed-osama-bin/story?id=24801422

So 300 may have been killed getting him instead 2,996 innocent Americans died.
 Neopoli
Joined: 3/1/2011
Msg: 81
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Posted: 8/1/2014 12:01:41 PM
/\/\ Not all Americans. 12% of the 2,996 killed by the Al Quada attackers were innocent foreign nationals:


Foreign casualties of the September 11 attacks Country Deaths Reference(s)
Argentina 4
Australia 11
Bangladesh 6
Belarus 1
Belgium 1
Bermuda 2
Brazil 3
Canada 24
Chile 1
China 2
Colombia 18
D.R. Congo 2
Dominican Republic 47
Ecuador 13
El Salvador 2
Ethiopia 3
F.R. Yugoslavia 2
France 4
Germany 11
Ghana 2
Guyana 3
Haiti 2
Hong Kong 2
Honduras 1
India 41
Indonesia 1
Ireland 6
Israel 5
Italy 10
Ivory Coast 1
Jamaica 16
Japan 24
Jordan 2
Kenya 1
Lebanon 4
Lithuania 1
Malaysia 3
Mexico 15
Moldova 1
Netherlands 1
New Zealand 2
Nigeria 1
Pakistan 8
Paraguay 2
Peru 5
Philippines 16
Poland 6
Portugal 5
Romania 4
Russia 1
South Africa 2
South Korea 28
Spain 1
Sweden 2
Switzerland 2
Taiwan 1
Trinidad and Tobago 14
Ukraine 1
United Kingdom 67
Uzbekistan 1
Venezuela 1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_September_11_attacks
 cotter
Joined: 10/17/2005
Msg: 82
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Posted: 8/1/2014 12:32:43 PM

... and should the American's of followed the rule of law and put him on trial for 9/11 ?
Thing is ... KSM is the one who planned it and put it into practice. KSM was the mastermind for it and he's sitting tight.

I guess all the Bush haters should tone done their rhetoric about Bush and Bin Laden.
Why? What would have been Bush's excuse for illegally invading Iraq if Clinton would have gotten OBL?

So 300 may have been killed getting him instead 2,996 innocent Americans died.
Not to mention all the innocents we killed after we illegally invaded two countries ... right?
 IgorFrankensteen
Joined: 6/29/2009
Msg: 83
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Posted: 8/1/2014 1:04:22 PM

I guess all the Bush haters should tone done their rhetoric about Bush and Bin Laden..Clinton said this "I nearly got him. And I could have killed him, but I would have had to destroy a little town called Kandahar in Afghanistan and kill 300 innocent women and children, and then I would have been no better than him.
“And so I didn’t do it.”
http://abcnews.go.com/US/bill-clinton-hours-911-attacks-killed-osama-bin/story?id=24801422

So 300 may have been killed getting him instead 2,996 innocent Americans died.


I have not myself been a Bush Hater when it came to Bin Laden. Certainly a Bush Critic, for his failures to properly respond to various Bin Laden related messes, such as taking us unnecessarily into Iraq, with the nutty thought that Saddam was helping Bin Laden (among other errors in intelligence).

However, to blame Clinton for 9-11 because he chose not to kill 300 innocents, requires that you assume that everyone knew that the 9-11 was going to be the direct result. There's no evidence to support that at all.

Bottom line, a LOT of leaders around the world, did a LOT of things wrong in foreign policy decisions, that led to 9-11.

Who's to say what MIGHT have happened if Clinton had gone ahead? Since there was no certainty even then, that he would GET Bin Laden, it may well have been that the village full of people would have died, and all that would have been accomplished was to fuel terrorism against the US even more. Without 9-11, there would not have been worldwide support for the US to act against Bin Laden and Al Qaeda as we did after it.

If you want to go back and rewrite History to please yourself, by second guessing everyone, then go all the way. Go back to years long before, when a series of US Presidents failed to deal with Iran properly, siding with hated dictators instead of with the general populace, and thus encouraged it to become our enemy. Go back and imagine what might not have happened had we NOT tried to help the French retain colonial control over SouthEast Asia, and instead have supported home rule there. What if we hadn't helped Bin Laden fight the Russians, in yet another example of how the saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" is utter insanity and self-deluded B.S.
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