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Msg: 50
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No,I don't watch silly shows on the boob tube.
HFX,you certainly have had a lot of nasty things to say about LEO's the past few months.

When it comes to Muslims raping little white girls you suddenly have nothing to say?
A few bits about the Oxford case.Yes it's spreading.

"I turned up at the police station at 2/3 am,blood all over me,soaked through my trousers to the crotch.They dismissed it as me being naughty,a nuisance"

"The Asian men felt they ran Oxford.That was exciting.People were afraid of them.I felt protected.People respected them"

Girls 11 to 12 were actively targeted,majority of whom had been sent to live in care homes.Plied with drugs and alcohol,sold for sex in guest houses,abused by multiple men.Humiliation and degradation involved"knives,meat cleavers and baseball bats".Ordeals could last days.

Victims were white girls.

Perps mainly men of Asian heritage and Muslim culture.

PM Cameron stated that professionals who fail to protect children will be held properly accountable,they could face jail terms in the future.

"Children were ignored,sometimes even blamed,and issues were swept under the carpet-often because of a warped and misguided sense of political correctness".

Some mug shots of the animals

I can see why they have such strict gun control laws over there.
Joined: 7/26/2014
Msg: 51
Is this child abuse?
Posted: 3/4/2015 6:39:01 AM

No,I don't watch silly shows on the boob tube.

Neither do it, but I do know enough that America prime time TV is all about "Crime Drama" that fuels the obsession with rape, murder and all the big crimes.

[quopte]HFX,you certainly have had a lot of nasty things to say about LEO's the past few months.

That is 100% untrue, I have been to Leo's Camera Supply (Vancouver BC) and they are a great store. In fact I picked up my last 10-20mm ultra wide from them last year.

When it comes to Muslims raping little white girls you suddenly have nothing to say?

Why do you say, is it muslims raping little white girls and not white girls who were raped by people who happen to be muslim?

Are you insinuating that the rape is rooted in crazy sky wizard like beliefs?
 vlad dracul
Joined: 4/30/2009
Msg: 52
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Posted: 3/4/2015 9:27:32 AM
Maybe you should have a word with the politicians, social services and the media over here then shoutyjoe because it seems they disagree with you on just about everything you wrote. They see it as a problem amongst pakistani heritage muslim men who are racist stoat the baws. And i like islam as much as i like frank (probably slightly better but no by much). The same as yous dislike christianity i suppose. And yawn the old catholic church one eh? Is it too uncomfortable to liberal types that there is a massive problem between muslim men of pakistani origin abusing mainly working class non muslim white lassies?

Sorry it doesnt fit the liberal view of the world chaps. But we could have saved millions in the uk if we had just asked shoutyjoe. We will know in the future.

"An urgent national debate is needed to address the disproportionate number of Muslim men among groups convicted of using and selling young teenagers for sex, according to a landmark report.
Failings by police and care professionals led to more than 370 young girls in Oxfordshire falling victim to “conveyor-belt” sex crimes over the past 15 years, a serious case review published yesterday concluded."

Doesnt seem to have been many muslim lassies abused by the religion of peas though.

"After the girls became dependent on the men,[4] they were guarded so they could not escape[5] and were threatened that they and their families would be harmed if they ever tried to leave.[4] The girls were raped vaginally, orally and anally, sometimes by several men,[4] the abuse occasionally lasting for several days at a time.[5] Some girls were groomed to be child prostitutes and were taken to guest houses in Bradford, Leeds, London, Slough and Bournemouth where men, usually Asian,[6] would pay to have sex with them.[4] The girls were subjected to extreme sexual violence, including biting, suffocating, and burning. They were tortured with knives, baseball bats, and meat cleavers and were occasionally urinated upon.[4] One 14-year-old girl was burnt with a lighter when she tried to resist having sex.[7] The mother of another girl said that "she had begged social services staff to rescue her [daughter] from the gang", who had "threatened to cut the girl's face off" and "slit the throats" of members of the girl's family.[8]"

"The case raised a serious debate about whether the crimes were racially motivated.[19] There were suggestions that police and social work departments failed to act when details of the gang first emerged for fear of appearing racist,[22][23] and ignored vulnerable white teenagers who were being groomed by Pakistani men.[24][25][26] Ann Cryer, who was then the Labour MP for Keighley, recalled in a BBC documentary filmed in 2012 that she had worked with the families of the victims involved, and had been "round at the police station virtually every week" and was "begging" both the police and social services to do something. However, Cryer said, "neither the police nor social services would touch those cases...I think it was they were afraid of being called racist."[27]"

"In a BBC documentary investigating the grooming of young girls for sex by some Pakistani men, Imam Irfan Chishti from the Rochdale Council of Mosques deplored the practice of sex grooming, saying it was "very shocking to see fellow British Muslims brought to court for this kind of horrific offence."[34][35] Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of the Ramadhan Foundation, accused elders of the Pakistani community of "burying their heads in the sand" on the matter of sexual grooming. He said that convictions involving child sexual exploitation, 87% were of British Pakistani men and it was a significant problem for that community. He said the actions of criminals who thought "white teenage girls are worthless and can be abused" were "bringing shame on our community."[3][23]"
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 53
Is this child abuse?
Posted: 3/4/2015 2:43:54 PM

Sorry it doesnt fit the liberal view of the world chaps.

Perhaps... because it isn't quite as you try to portray... as in "pedophile BECAUSE they are muslim/Pakistani"...

Here... I'll give you a little illustration... A while back... we had a similar sort of incident come up locally... A child sex abuse ring... exploiting vulnerable children... from "care homes"... the children of criminals and addicts... and the like... The total count of children abused... and abusers involved... has never been reliably determined... possibly because of the "political correctness" of what is understood about the case... The abusers were white... predominantly Christian European heritage... all educated professionals... most were employed in justice and law enforcement (lawyers, judges and such)... NO-ONE EVER WENT TO JAIL...

Were these men pedophiles "who HAPPENED to also be white, Christian European heritage, justice and law enforcement professionals"...?

Or were they pedophiles "BECAUSE they were white, Christian European heritage, justice and law enforcement professionals"...?

By the standard you are promoting here... we have no choice but to conclude... They were pedophiles "BECAUSE they were white, Christian European heritage, justice and law enforcement professionals"...

And this is but one of dozens of such cases of pedophile rings... where virtually all of the abusers shared a common set of personal characteristics... race... education level... religious/ethnic heritage... and so forth... and... in these cases... the victims also shared common profiles...

According to your thesis... all of these cases... are cases of people being pedophiles BECAUSE of... race... religious/ethnic heritage... education... whatever their common characteristics are...

Or is the more logical answer... this is a criminal organization... involved in criminal activities... and... like most such groups... they have a real reason to fear being discovered... They are very careful to limit involvement... to those whose personal characteristics are much like their own... just as almost every criminal organization does... and for essentially the same reasons...

Or is that just too logical and sensible for your racist desires... because these are "Muslim Paki's" and you just can't compare them to "white Christians"...?
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Msg: 54
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Posted: 3/4/2015 4:38:43 PM
It's interesting that many of the same people in this thread frothing at the mouth about 'Pakistani' gangs and 'Muslims' are the same people who often comment that the (alleged) lack of condemnation by moderate muslims in regard to the activities of islamic terrorists means moderate (or all) muslims must secretely condone the activities of the lunatic fringe.

Yet here they are, the very same people, failing to condemn the larger problem of human trafficking? They just ignore that and focus on a narrow area that supports their familiar agenda.

By their own logic... because they do not loudly and continuously condemn the much larger activities of international human traffickers - they must secretly, perhaps enthusiastically, condone what non-Pakistani and non-muslim people-trafficking criminals are up to.

Try to be consistent guys... does your conspicuous lack of outrage at the activities of European criminal gangs mean you actually support the international sex trade?

Human trafficking, especially of girls and women, often leads to forced prostitution and sexual slavery. According to a report by the UNODC, internationally, the most common destinations for victims of human trafficking are Thailand, Japan, Israel, Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, Italy, Turkey and the United States. The major sources of trafficked persons are Thailand, China, Nigeria, Albania, Bulgaria, Belarus, Moldova, and Ukraine.

It is estimated that two thirds of women trafficked for prostitution worldwide annually come from Eastern Europe and China, three-quarters of whom have never worked as prostitutes before.
The major destinations are Western Europe, Turkey, the Middle East (Israel, the United Arab Emirates), Asia, Russia and the United States.
In 2002, the US Department of State repeated an earlier CIA estimate that each year, about 50,000 women and children are brought against their will to the United States for sexual exploitation. Former Secretary of State Colin Powell said that "here and abroad, the victims of trafficking toil under inhuman conditions -- in brothels, sweatshops, fields and even in private homes." In addition to internationally trafficked victims, American citizens are also forced into prostitution. According to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, "100,000 to 293,000 children are in danger of becoming sexual commodities."

In the U.S., human trafficking tends to occur around international travel-hubs with large immigrant populations, notably California and Texas. The U.S. Justice Department estimates that 17,500 people are trafficked into the country every year, but the true figure could be higher, because of the large numbers of undocumented immigrants. Those being trafficked include young children, teenagers, men and women and can be domestic citizens or foreign nationals. According to the Department of State's statistics from 2000, there are approximately 244,000 American children and youth that are at risk for sex trafficking each year. Of these children and youth, 38,600 were originally runaways.

Human trafficking is the trade of humans, most commonly for the purpose of sexual slavery, forced labor or commercial sexual exploitation for the trafficker or others. This may encompass providing a spouse in the context of forced marriage, or the extraction of organs or tissues, including for surrogacy and ova removal. Human trafficking can occur within a country or trans-nationally. Human trafficking is a crime against the person because of the violation of the victim's rights of movement through coercion and because of their commercial exploitation. Human trafficking is the trade in people, and does not necessarily involve the movement of the person from one place to another.

Liam Vernon, head of the UKHTC, said: "Human trafficking for the purposes of exploitation is an insidious and complex crime, and much of the exploitation is hidden from view.
"The National Crime Agency is committed to continually disrupting what is a vicious and criminal trade in human misery, which exploits the most vulnerable people, both here and abroad, for financial gain.
The report found that Romania was the most prevalent country of origin for potential victims of trafficking in the UK for the third consecutive year. More than half of them were exploited for sex.

The number of people being trafficked into the UK is rising, latest government estimates suggest.
Trafficking gangs in China, Vietnam, Nigeria and eastern Europe now pose the biggest threat to the UK, it said.
Det Insp Kevin Hyland, of London's Metropolitan Police - which sees the UK's highest rates of trafficking - said some victims travelled to the UK in lorries or containers but the majority arrived lawfully, often accompanied by their traffickers.
"The vast majority of them think they're coming to a better life in the UK," he said.
Many victims are promised jobs in the hotel or leisure industry, or as interpreters, but when they arrive they are "groomed or threatened" and used for sexual exploitation, forced labour or both, he said.
Immigration minister Mark Harper said the results demonstrated UK professionals were getting better at "spotting" the crime due to "cross-government" cooperation.
"We're doing a better job of cracking down people involved in the vile trade," he told BBC Radio 5 Live.
But the number of those prosecuted was "not enough," he said.
"One of the things we do is to prosecute people for the most serious offences we can, and sometimes that's not a trafficking offence."

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Msg: 55
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Posted: 3/4/2015 5:48:26 PM
That is a good general description of the overall trade.This is specialized trade.I will explain.
Now, ,, for the special case of Joe, who seems to get sideways .

I have tried to explain to HFX,this is an unclassified type of pedophilia, where one distinct group of perps targets victims of another race. In Canada, we have seen this in the Indian Schools.Victims are native and perps were christian whites.We also used to (and still have)Regina, apparently the child sex capital of North America.Young natives.People get off, or possibly feel less guilty, abusing victims that are not of their kind.

I certainly didn't claim they were pedos because they were Pakistani Muslims.They are racist pedos because they target young white christian females exclusively.

In the case you cited, and we had a similar coverup here with online child porn and apparently a daycare, suspects got away because of police connections or high social standing.
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 56
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Posted: 3/4/2015 7:20:54 PM

this is an unclassified type of pedophilia, where one distinct group of perps targets victims of another race.

It is "an unclassified type of pedophilia"... BECAUSE... it doesn't actually exist... as a "type of pedophilia"... in the way that you imagine it does...

In cases like you cite... such as residential schools... the victims are chosen based on their vulnerability... for being "easy targets"... You are confusing the reasons they were "easy targets"... which most certainly was racist in nature... with the intrinsic motivations of pedophilia...

By your thesis... these people aren't actually pedophiles... because they aren't targeting their victims primarily because they like children... they are targeting their victims primarily because they are native... Your thesis does nothing to account for why the non-native children in parishes... orphanages... training schools... and other care facilities where the same organizations operated... were also targeted for victimization... unless you were to suppose... that the organizations specifically... and deliberately... separated their "classes of pedophiles"... for assignment to the "appropriate facility" for their "special brand" of pedophilia...

The same is the case for Vlad's subjects... The intrinsic motivations to engage in pedophilia... are being conflated with the characteristics which lead to the victims being "easy targets"...

Here is another little element... that you guys are conveniently overlooking... pedophiles rarely... if ever... stray from their preferred sexual attractions... the kids they like... female-oriented pedophiles rarely ever abuse males... and male-oriented pedophiles rarely ever abuse females... prepubescent-oriented pedophiles rarely ever abuse adolescents... and adolescent-oriented pedophiles rarely ever target prepubescent kids... In short... pedophiles almost always stick with what they like... what attracts them... So... if anything... these pedophiles are actually far more likely to adore white girls... than despise them...
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Msg: 57
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Posted: 3/5/2015 4:44:19 AM
The rotherham abuse was covered up by the labour party and the police for political ends.

Backward pakistani views on non muslim lassies is what my GOVERNMENT blame.

Of course this is going to have an effect on the election coming up. Especially as there was a cover up.

You don't see a connection there, on both sides?

I agree with you that it may well have been the substitution of categorical labels for individual identity that led the perpetrators to think they could get away with such wicked crimes. It was probably what led those who became aware of it to not report and expose the abuse out of political correctness, respect or cowardice in regards to the categorical label.

But here is the bit that you don't seem to get: By following the manipulative lead of your media and government, YOU are making precisely the same mistake that they did in thinking this way.

The foundation of morality, of human rights and of common law is that it is the intentions and behaviour of the individual that counts. The reason for this should be obvious - any category you care to name is populated by people with a spectrum of characteristics and differing opinions and interpretations, who are simulataneously members of many other divergent categories. The danger we all need to guard against is not discriminating enough.

"The ability to discriminate is a precious faculty; by judging all members of one "race" to be the same, the racist precisely shows himself incapable of discrimination." - Christopher Hitchens

You can see it with references to liberals in this thread - a label I do not identify with and that I haven't seen anyone else claim, and which wouldn't be relevant to any points or arguments. It is simply another example of excessive labeling used to delineate in-groups and out-groups as a condition of tribalism. But that is a whole other discussion...
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Msg: 58
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Posted: 3/7/2015 6:51:46 PM
Another example of

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