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 PittsburghVixen
Joined: 6/27/2009
Msg: 69
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It is everybody's business when people have children. These people may not be on welfare, but they are using the public school system: supported by tax dollars. Their many children will procreate creating even more children, it's the snowball effect. The world is already over-populated and each individual is a drain on the earth's resources. The argument that it doesn't matter because they are supporting their children is an argument that does not actually hold water. They are all using public resources and environment resources, now and even more so in the future.


So, following your logic (even though these folks are paying taxes to support their school system) - no one should procreate because it's a drain on public and environmental resources. You are not the arbiter of family size, and if you want to be, move to China where you can help enforce their "one child" laws.

Did you NOT realize that the US birthrate has been declining for years? Obviously this family is very unusual, since they have a TV show about them.
 CVR_advocate
Joined: 4/4/2011
Msg: 71
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Posted: 6/19/2011 6:46:00 PM
Actually, the latest census numbers are revealing that not only are less people having children, the population as a whole is aging. I have nothing against the Duggars, more power to them. I'm 34 with no kids, and I've dated a few people older than me who had no children.
 UnixGrand
Joined: 5/9/2011
Msg: 72
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Posted: 6/19/2011 7:37:45 PM
Pretty funny Weiner jokes on Leno, and Letterman this past week. We can only hope this continues. I haven't seen Dave, or Jay have so much fun since George Bush left the whitehouse.
 mrconcertlover
Joined: 5/8/2011
Msg: 73
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Posted: 6/20/2011 4:49:22 PM
Charlie Rangel did MUCH worse and he's still in Congress.

he lied about money made, rent collected and properties owned.

he's the skunk, not Weiner.
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
Msg: 74
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Posted: 6/20/2011 5:58:44 PM

Charlie Rangel did MUCH worse and he's still in Congress.


I doubt his constituents would much care if he were an axe murderer, as long as he kept them on the gravy train.
 viper1j
Joined: 11/30/2005
Msg: 75
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Posted: 6/20/2011 6:30:41 PM

Charlie Rangel did MUCH worse and he's still in Congress.


Well, as long as some people consider him Reverend Wiener, he'll still get to keep of his super powers..
 CVR_advocate
Joined: 4/4/2011
Msg: 78
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Posted: 6/21/2011 12:47:19 PM
@BrightestBlue, Weiner is a target because was caught in the very issue he advocated making laws for, internet predation. It wasn't just the photo flap, he was also having sex chats with a 17 year old girl.
 FrankNStein902
Joined: 12/26/2009
Msg: 79
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Posted: 6/21/2011 1:03:32 PM

...It wasn't just the photo flap, he was also having sex chats with a 17 year old girl.

FYI: Both Weiner's representative and the girl's family have reportedly said that the tweeting was in no way suggestive.


http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-20070663-71/report-police-examine-weiners-tweeting-with-17-year-old/#ixzz1PwVj85H8
 Barredbard
Joined: 2/26/2008
Msg: 81
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Posted: 6/21/2011 6:14:49 PM
People still dance around the halls of congress who have done far worse than Mr. Weiner. In fact, one senator who actually hired prostitutes for his nocturnal desires remains yet a senator, nevermind the fact that doing so was quite illegal.While his antics - texting graphic images of his private parts and less-than-impressive torso - were reprehensible, Mr. Weiner's thoughtless actions were not illegal. Morally reprehensible, perhaps, but not harmful to those happy recepients. While I am not suggesting that he should have been rewarded with a large box of Vaseline from the nearest Wal-Mart, I still believe the media made a fan-fare of nothing. He was bullied into retiring when his constituents would have had it otherwise.

And while the TV and radio saw lots of action from the media, ironically it was his weiner that saw the least action.
 CVR_advocate
Joined: 4/4/2011
Msg: 83
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Posted: 6/21/2011 7:16:24 PM
Foley was "only" sexting Congressional pages, Larry Craig was only "tap dancing" in that bathroom stall, Gov. Spitzer used an "escort" rather than a prostitute, and so forth. Most of them were also expected to resign rather than get the boot. There is rich white Congressman justice, the rest of us would have been hauled into jail. Its a harder fall when you champion a cause and you get caught in the very thing you are advocating against. It is the greatest hypocrisy.
 woobytoodsday
Joined: 12/13/2006
Msg: 85
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Posted: 6/22/2011 9:26:52 PM
Its a harder fall when you champion a cause and you get caught in the very thing you are advocating against. It is the greatest hypocrisy.

Guess then it's a good thing Senator Vitter wasn't advocating against grown men pooping in diapers and having prostitutes clean him up. . . .

 KittenCatt
Joined: 6/11/2011
Msg: 88
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Posted: 6/23/2011 10:00:34 PM
Haha....wish the merciless ridicule would be administered to all the guys online who send out unsolicited pix like that. I'd die laughing.
 fireyangel1985
Joined: 4/3/2011
Msg: 89
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Posted: 6/26/2011 8:16:17 AM
Weiner is a wiener. He chose to cheat on his wife and degrade her and she's stupid and desperate enough to stay. It's sad that she has no self respect. If she did she'd have dumped him. She's an aide to Hillary Clinton so she makes good money.

As for the Duggars it's sad that they only have children for the sake of fame. They are publicity hoes.
 HFX_RGB2
Joined: 4/14/2015
Msg: 90
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Posted: 5/21/2015 6:57:08 PM
Who ever had "Josh" as the first Duggar to get caught on a sexual asualt charge in the POF pool, set up and claim your prize, and if you checked the "family will attempt to cover up" bonus box, you now quaility for the extra 20%.



Jim Bob Duggar waited over 1 year to alert police to son’s sex abuse of young girls
Josh Duggar was investigated for multiple offenses — including forcible fondling — against five minors
Joanna Rothkopf
Thursday, May 21, 2015 03:20 PM AST


On Monday, InTouch reported that anti-gay activist and dad of 19 Jim Bob Duggar had turned his own son Josh in to the police after he sexually assaulted several underage girls. On Thursday, the same magazine obtained the police report related to the case which reveals that Jim Bob actually waited more than a year before turning his son in.

Other bombshells in the police report are: Josh Duggar was investigated for multiple sex offenses — including forcible fondling — against five minors. Some of the alleged offenses investigated were felonies. Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar were interview by the Springdale Police department on Dec. 12, 2006. The report says that James told police he was alerted in March, 2002 by a female minor that Josh — who turned 14-years-old that month — had been touching her breasts and genitals while she slept. This allegedly happened on multiple occasions. In 2006, Jim Bob told police that in July, 2002 Josh admitted to fondling a minor’s breasts while she slept. “James said that they disciplined (redacted, Josh) after this incident.” The family did not alert authorities…

Jim Bob told police that about nine months later in March, 2003 “there was another incident.” Josh was again accused by a female minor of touching her breasts and genitals. Josh was accused by several minors of touching their genitals, often when they slept, but at times when they were awake.




Read more about these upstanding citzens at:

http://www.salon.com/2015/05/21/jim_bob_duggar_waited_over_1_year_to_alert_police_to_sons_sex_abuse_of_young_girls/
 daynadaze
Joined: 2/11/2008
Msg: 91
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Posted: 5/21/2015 8:34:49 PM
What I read is that Jim Bob said he took his son to the police, then he went to rehab and had therapy, then Michele says, well no they didn't do that at all, they just prayed, a lot, and had the girls pray until they forgave Josh since most of them he sexually assaulted were his younger sisters, and much like paying to be heterosexual, Josh was healed, healed they say! Jim Bob did later, when Josh kept doing the molesting, to him to see a close family/religious friend who was a cop or sheriff, some such thing, who gave Josh, while alone with him, a good talking to. But oh how the devil does work, seems this guy was running a kiddie porn ring and is severing 50+ years in prison, so one can only guess at whet he and Josh, and maybe Jim Bob, were really up to.
 Dee4166
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 92
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Posted: 5/22/2015 7:07:50 AM
So some dude is stupid enough to send online messages and pics of his junk to people and think he won't get caught, or that his constituency is dumb enough to believe that has no relevance...?

Um, he was DUMB ENOUGH TO THINK THAT IT WAS OK TO SEND PICS OF HIS JUNK ONLINE.....?!?!?!?!?!?

So you all trust this idiot to continue or even begin to make well thought out decisions in government????

Yeah...that makes as much sense as the 'boys will be boys club', that say men are always trying to get laid, right? And despite their responsibilities to an entire state, country, province, town, etc. they shouldn't be judged on their 'moral conduct'....

Poor judgment is poor judgment and if he is displaying it in such a potentially public arena and putting his marriage and career at risk, then the man has SERIOUS issues, and needs some serious help....

I would think that is obvious....

As far as the Duggars....Watched the show ONCE, was completely put off by the religious dogma and cultish air of those people, myself...

Having had no children myself, I am having a difficult time understanding exactly why it is that I pay MORE in taxes than people who do have kids...?

Ah yes, the whole, 'for the good of society', bit, right?

Yeah, well, unfortunately I look around and see a whole lot of young people still living at home and NOT contributing to society in ANY meaningful way and frankly am more than a little tired at having to pay more than their own parents to ensure that THEY have all of the services and programs available to them, that they WILL need, as it seems that working and building a Life for themselves, seems to be happening only as they hit an older age these days...

Not like I didn't have to pay for my own schooling, and/or pay that back, and not like I see that MY quality of Life is better in any significant way....

Nope...seems like it's perfectly ok for society to give all KINDS of 'breaks' to people with kids, tax breaks, breaks on having a full down payment for a house, as a 'young family', etc.

Actually, raising kids is an expensive proposition, I know...So why is it that I am paying for OTHER people to have kids, when I never could even afford to have my OWN????

Now it's too late for me, for the kids any way, but apparently NOT too late for me to continue to pay upwards of 30% of my salary in income tax, in order to continue to make up for the tax breaks and incentives being given to families....

The money has to come from SOMEWHERE, right?

And it's surely NOT going to come from the corporations, who, if THEY don't get their way will just take their toys and go home....And we CAN;T charge the families, as they are providing the future tax payers, right? Besides, it costs SO much to have and raise kids, right?

So yes, as a single person who didn;t have kids because I couldn't comfortably afford it, and couldn't buy a home as I was losing too much to tax, and not making enough as a person living on my own with only one salary to be considered a 'good risk', what it seems I'm good for, is to cover the tab for all of those who ARE doing those things, because their tax breaks and our society favour families in EVERY way, over and above those of us who have remained single....

Yes...just makes me want to JUMP out of bed each day and race JOYFULLY off to work, so I can be financially RAPED at the end of the fiscal year, but KNOW that I am a good little 'drone' who 'contributes' faithfully and painfully to the society that has been royally screwing me since I started paying taxes , 32 yrs. ago....

So yes, if people want to have kids so bad then I think that they should be required to PAY for those kids, rather than spreading the cost around, as some kind of societal responsibility....

Maybe we would see less people having children, but we would also see less people that SHOULD be having kids having them as well, I suspect...
 HFX_RGB2
Joined: 4/14/2015
Msg: 93
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Posted: 5/22/2015 11:16:35 AM
Just when you thought it could not get better:

Turns out the cop that helped them attempt to cover this up is now serving 56 in prison for child pornography..

While a Republican Arkansas State Rep, Jim Bob Duggar covered up child molestation
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...Jim Bob told police in 2006 that when Josh returned home in 2003, Jim Bob, accompanied by some of his church elders, took Josh to Arkansas State Trooper, Jim Hutchens. Jim Bob knew Hutchens personally. Hutchens did not take any official action and instead gave Josh a “very stern talk.” As In Touch magazine reports exclusively in this week’s issue, Hutchens is now serving 56-years in prison for child pornography. He took no action on the Duggar case...

So, Jim Bob, vice chair of the House Corrections and Criminal Law Subcommittee, covered up the crime for a year, while he was running for the US Senate. Then he took it to his church, lied to them about sending Josh to counselling, and took him for a 'very stern talk' from a police officer who was also a child pornographer. By the time a non-criminal police officer found out about it, the statue of limitations had expired, conveniently.

Inevitably, Josh Duggar was the executive director of the Family Research Council's PAC by 2013. I mean, with a politician father who covered up family sexual abuse and knew a child pornographer, what else was he going to do?

They're very vocal about pedophiles - but only the homosexual sort. Not about the Christian fundamentalist sort. Or the employee sort.



Read more about how these fine and upstanding people lied through their teeth at:

http://www.discussionist.com/?com=thread&address=1015455218&togglemark=1
 daynadaze
Joined: 2/11/2008
Msg: 94
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Posted: 5/22/2015 11:56:07 AM
"TLC has pulled 19 Kids and Counting from its schedule in the wake of star Josh Duggar’s admission that he molested several underage girls 12 years ago, including his sisters."

Just read the above on Yahoo.
 _babblefish
Joined: 9/23/2011
Msg: 95
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:39:05 PM
^ now they can keep their disgusting human puppy mill molestations private, yay!

all in the family, Ozark style
 Dee4166
Joined: 6/16/2007
Msg: 96
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Posted: 5/22/2015 12:52:34 PM
Unfortunately stats show that the larger the family, the MORE likely there will be some kind of child sexual/physical abuse....
There's a variety of reasons for that theoretically....

For me personally. I believe that it's probably because when people have 'litters' then each ceases to be an individual on some level....

Sorry man, I see no need to have a pack of kids, unless you're trying to repopulate the world with 'like-minds'.....Or you're SERIOUSLY narcissistic....

On a side note....Hope the family has enough money to cover the predictable eventualities from the consequences of children being molested....But then again, why bother? When there's people like me, who can pick up the bill....When they end up as criminals, or drug addicts, or have an unplanned pregnancy....Or plain just decompensate because they were MOLESTED.....

SMH....
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 97
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Posted: 5/22/2015 1:31:57 PM

While a Republican Arkansas State Rep, Jim Bob Duggar covered up child molestation

And... our right-wing posters... the silence is deafening... Funny, they are always so vocal... about liberal or homosexual molesters... but Christian molesters...?

Please keep the silence to a "dull roar" some of us are trying to pay attention...

Hutchens did not take any official action and instead gave Josh a “very stern talk.”

I'm not seeing any of the regular "defenders of LEO" either... You would think they would be falling all over themselves to establish their "bad cops deserve it" credentials... Especially given how "rare" they insist "bad cops" are...
 _babblefish
Joined: 9/23/2011
Msg: 98
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Posted: 5/22/2015 1:51:25 PM

but Christian molesters...?


"Those who have enjoyed revealing this long ago sins in order to discredit the Duggar family have actually revealed their own insensitive bloodthirst, for there was no consideration of the fact that the victims wanted this to be left in the past and ultimately a judge had the information on file destroyed -- not to protect Josh, but the innocent victims," Huckabee wrote. "Janet and I love Jim Bob and Michelle and their entire family. They are no more perfect a family than any family, but their Christian witness is not marred in our eyes because following Christ is not a declaration of our perfection, but of HIS perfection." < Huckabee

I wanna Porsche, gonna steal a Porsche, then ask for Christ to forgive me for stealing the Porsche

god is great
 _mungojoe_
Joined: 10/1/2014
Msg: 99
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Posted: 5/22/2015 2:03:02 PM

not to protect Josh, but the innocent victims," Huckabee wrote.

Wow... what a genius Huckabee is... After all... Everyone "just knows" that the "BEST" way to protect innocent victims of molestation... is to leave the molester to continue unhindered...

Just look how successful that "protect the innocent victims" strategy was for the Catholic Church for all those years... All those priests who "stopped" molesting as a result... and "never" laid hands on another victim...
 HFX_RGB2
Joined: 4/14/2015
Msg: 100
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Posted: 5/22/2015 2:27:09 PM

Wow... what a genius Huckabee is... After all... Everyone "just knows" that the "BEST" way to protect innocent victims of molestation... is to leave the molester to continue unhindered...


Well he does have some experience attempting to cover up for the crazy.

Seeing as one of his kids likes to kill dogs.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/politicians/huckabeedog.asp
 daynadaze
Joined: 2/11/2008
Msg: 101
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Posted: 5/22/2015 6:57:49 PM
Dee, in this case with so many children, the older ones instantly got a new one to raise, Michele used to brag about that, she just had them she didn't raise them, but she got bad press for it so she shut up. She also spoke up when Oprah's staff found out about this some years back and looked into the molestation, I remember hearing about it but it was shut up quickly, now it's out and it has legs and I don't see them getting this covered up again. Michelle said that Josh did not get any therapy, did not go to any rehab, not at all. Also it was a big cover up, it went on for several years, the lying and moving Josh out of the house to live else where, then he came home and the molesting started again and so he was talked to by the child pornographer (Jim Bob's friend) and then he was married off to Anna who was given to Jim Bob by her father, we may never know if Anna wanted to marry Josh because girls are not allowed to speak unless they are censored carefully. But Anna knew two year before she was married off that Josh was a pedophile. As for his sister's getting therapy, never happened, they were made to pray for Josh (not themselves) until they could forgive him, after all he's a male in the family, they are breeders. So no, these girls did not get help.

Anyway, Josh was left alone to treat these little girls any way he wanted to, the damage was done by the time Jim Bob tried to do anything and Jim Bob only tried to do something because he was running for an office and couldn't have Josh out raping little girls anymore.

They belong to a cult called Quiverful, one of it's basic beliefs is to try and have 20 children, not just the old bullshit of having all the children god would give them. but to try for at least 20. When I say the females are breeders, I'm not kidding. It's their job to baby after baby after baby. And these kids do not have an education, they are home schooled in reading (the Bible), writing, and math, that's it, all the rest of their schooling is about creationism. They don't have a clue outside of what they are allowed to know by Jim Bob.
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