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 HFX_RGB2
Joined: 4/14/2015
Msg: 156
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^Don't be a hater dude. How much of your time have you wasted hating on your own race and Christians?


I have wasted zero time, as it is clear I was able to bring out POF's resident apologists to show their true colors.




LOL. How more anti White can one person be? That's your identity problem , not mine.


How much more of a molester apologist can you be?
 BialaPolska
Joined: 5/20/2015
Msg: 157
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Posted: 6/9/2015 8:05:40 AM
^ No one is apologizing for something that happened a long time ago. I just don't know. But I do know you like to weaponize gays , nonChristians and non Whites . You are not alone , weaponization of these groups is nothing new for those of your ilk.
 HFX_RGB2
Joined: 4/14/2015
Msg: 158
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Posted: 6/9/2015 8:25:09 AM

^ No one is apologizing for something that happened a long time ago.


Exactly, no one has stepped up and admitted they covered up for a molester.





I just don't know. But I do know you like to weaponize gays , nonChristians and non Whites . You are not alone , weaponization of these groups is nothing new for those of your ilk.


Yes we get it, you are mad there is a black man in the Whitehouse and he is going to take away your guns.
 etourdi65
Joined: 8/20/2014
Msg: 159
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Posted: 6/9/2015 8:55:09 AM
Ok what do you think should be done? the statute of limitation has run out..the fact that as a juvenile he molested some girls has been broadcast for millions to see and hear...He resigned from his job..the world knows how his parents handled the situation....there show is cancelled....the girls who were molested were outed against their will....
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 160
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Posted: 6/9/2015 9:02:41 AM
We have no idea how the girls feel. They were raised in an evil cult that is highly patriarchal. They went on camera and recited the lines they were given. It's not a coincidence that there are so many pedophiles in this story - from the counselor to the cop. These highly secretive, hierarchical organizations are often created by pedophiles, and they certainly attract them.
 cotter
Joined: 10/17/2005
Msg: 161
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Posted: 6/9/2015 12:44:17 PM
Message 135 ...
I have never seen such support for a child molester as being shown here by a couple posters who seem to be on the side of the molester.

It's no surprise to me.

Look at Hastert ... Perverted piece of shyte.


Typical ... moral crusaders are the worst offenders.
 daynadaze
Joined: 2/11/2008
Msg: 162
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Posted: 6/9/2015 2:58:47 PM

However, has he ever reoffended?


Yes, it's been posted before, it's available all over the internet and it's part of what people are riled up about. He has had no professional therapy, his parents lied and said they sent him for therapy, they did not, they sent him to live with another Quiverfull family, who had him doing construction work, no one knows if or who he might have molested while there. Then a year or two later he was allowed to come home and he was right back at molesting his sisters and nobody knows who else, except that they was also a babysitter he felt up. He was molesting his 5 year old sister, under her clothes, at that time too. So Jim Bob took him to his policeman friend, the same friend who is not serving 56 years in prison for child porn, this man did not file a report as he would have had to, it was all still being covered up, Josh would have been about 16 at the time. There was no police report or any talk of therapy until while the family was going to Chicago to be on Oprah. Someone on the inside of all this, called Harpo Productions and spilled the beans, so Harpo called the Arkansas Child Abuse Hotline and turned in the info they'd been given. At that time, as has been posted, the Arkansas police called Jim Bob & Michelle Duggar and told her to bring Josh back for an interview, at that time that was the first time there was a report made on Josh's molesting of young girls.

Josh has never been to a professional therapist of any kind, it was all hidden within the church. The girls he molested have never been to any kind of professional therapy, and they are only allowed to pray for Josh and forgive him, they are not allowed to have any thoughts of their own. These kids, including Josh, have been left uneducated (their highest education is a GED), they know nothing of real world common info, they are only taught creationism and basic math, grammar and reading the Bible. They do not know better than what they have been allowed to know by their father. Josh and all these girls are the victims of the way they've been raised. So is Josh still molesting...no one but him and any victims if there are anymore, would know.
 robaustralia
Joined: 12/1/2014
Msg: 163
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Posted: 6/9/2015 3:47:04 PM

I have wasted zero time, as it is clear I was able to bring out POF's resident apologists to show their true colors


No you haven't, all you have proven is what a Christian hater you are. Anyway the Duggar situation really pales into insignificance when you support the LGBT propaganda machine.

Who have been lobbying Govts. all over the World to lower the age of consent or even eliminate it. All because they think Children should have the right to sexual expression. Which is of course really means they wish to be able to fulfil their perverse desires to have sex with children. After all we know Homosexual is a synonym for pedophile.

Gee did you like how I stereotyped homosexuals as pedophiles, I thought that was only fair because you are stereotyping Christians as child molester supporters.

No doubt some Christians are child molesters , that doesn't mean they all support it. It is no different to any other group of people who have criminals in their ranks. Also all you are doing is playing the Guilt by Association card.

So have I, did you like that?

Anyway I think what Duggar did when he was 14 yo was wrong.

I also think that Homosexual adults trying to get their Govts. to lower the age of consent is also wrong.

Do you? If you don't agree I will,have to assume, you don't think it is wrong.. Which means all your rhetoric about children's rights is pure BS.
 HFX_RGB2
Joined: 4/14/2015
Msg: 164
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Posted: 6/9/2015 4:06:42 PM

No doubt some Christians are child molesters , that doesn't mean they all support it. It is no different to any other group of people who have criminals in their ranks. Also all you are doing is playing the Guilt by Association card.


If the same % of Home Depot employees molested and raped little boys as the christain church employees have they would have burned down their offices years ago.




I also think that Homosexual adults trying to get their Govts. to lower the age of consent is also wrong.



I would agree as soon as you can show that this is actually happening and you did not just make that up.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 165
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Posted: 6/9/2015 4:38:08 PM
http://www.varight.com/news/how-to-tell-when-a-liberal-concedes-an-argument/

Moderate sounds better and better.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 166
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Posted: 6/9/2015 4:43:59 PM
What's the point of just posting a link? I'm not going to bother following it. This is a discussion forum. Say something. Judging by the title of your link, you see this as a partisan issue. If you are staking out defending sexual abuse of children as a conservative position, and attacking it as a liberal one, then say that.
 HFX_RGB2
Joined: 4/14/2015
Msg: 167
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Posted: 6/9/2015 4:44:39 PM

http://www.varight.com/news/how-to-tell-when-a-liberal-concedes-an-argument/


How to tell someone is getting desperate?

They do not attempt to actually refute anything posted, they just get right to attempting to attack the poster.
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 168
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Posted: 6/9/2015 7:08:16 PM
Obviously you both have read it and see yourselves. Have a good night. LOL!!
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 169
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Posted: 6/9/2015 8:35:57 PM
Yeah, here's the thing: not everyone is as duplicitous as you seem to be. I read the title of the link, and that was plenty. When I said I couldn't be bothered, I meant it. And you seem to be about as "moderate" as the Taliban.
 daynadaze
Joined: 2/11/2008
Msg: 170
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Posted: 6/9/2015 9:29:00 PM

...how-to-tell-when-a-liberal-concedes-an-argument...


Oh gosh, I wonder what that's going to be about? :P
 etourdi65
Joined: 8/20/2014
Msg: 171
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Posted: 6/10/2015 5:33:29 AM

They do not attempt to actually refute anything posted
what's to refute? everyone agrees that what he did was wrong and that his family acted handled it improperly, I asked you what you thought should be done, you chose to ignore my post...



Ok what do you think should be done? the statute of limitation has run out..the fact that as a juvenile he molested some girls has been broadcast for millions to see and hear...He resigned from his job..the world knows how his parents handled the situation....their show is cancelled....the girls who were molested were outed against their will
 HFX_RGB2
Joined: 4/14/2015
Msg: 172
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Posted: 6/10/2015 6:35:59 AM

what's to refute?


Try paying attention to what people write and you will need to ask fewer questions.




Ok what do you think should be done? the statute of limitation has run out..the fact that as a juvenile he molested some girls has been broadcast for millions to see and hear...He resigned from his job..the world knows how his parents handled the situation....their show is cancelled....the girls who were molested were outed against their will


For starters people should stop posting lies like the show has been canceled and the girls were outed against their will.
 woobytoodsday
Joined: 12/13/2006
Msg: 173
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Posted: 6/10/2015 10:05:51 AM

Josh has never been to a professional therapist of any kind, it was all hidden within the church. The girls he molested have never been to any kind of professional therapy


Dayna, I've spent the last week and a half over at Free Jinger. . . . There was one woman, reporting as early at 2007, a member of their church, with an obvious ax to grind, whom no one believed. They have pretty much reversed themselves on whether or not to believe her since she was so right on then. This is what shed said then:


Alice Says:
May 24th, 2007 at 3:05 pm

People, trust me or not. I know this for a fact. God’s honest truth that the molestation happened. It happened to four of his 5 sisters. The oldest daughter was not touched. The second daughter is the one who caught him doing this. There was no rape involved, but molested. I could go into detail, but I won’t. Of course, you can find nothing about the charges. The Duggar’s want to keep this hid. Wouldn’t you? They wouldn’t have the things that they do if it had gotten out earlier. That’s the way that they make their living and travel at the expenses of others.
Jim Bob and Michelle are very aware of this happening and have chosen to protect Josh over his sisters. The family is to report to DHS every six months and that the girls are in counciling. This is what the courts ordered. Jim Bob and Michelle both tried to lie their way out of this, but it didn’t happen. Just ask them, but they will just lie about it. They call their son “Precious Josh” and in their eyes he can do nothing wrong. What about the girls? I think that everyone should know about this problem and that the Duggars are frauds. They make the Talk Shows under the impression that they are pure and they receive “Love Offerings” from the viewers. He has got it figured out. How to be famous and make a living for his brood and not have to work to get it.
http://www.ibiblio.org/bascha/blog/2006/03/21/gigantic-family-day-on-tlc/ [In comments, scroll down.]

Both the parents and the two daughters (Jill & Jessa) pretty much confirmed that in their TeeVee interviews on Faux.
The tabloid that broke the police juvy report note that it left it at/with a "Family in need of services" notation. I believe that they got "unwelcomed" help. It also looks like at 18 Josh petitioned the courts for "release" of surveillance. Which was granted, but which also means that he was, in fact, getting "services."

I don't want to be in the position of defending either Josh or the parents, but I also believe fair is fair.
 cotter
Joined: 10/17/2005
Msg: 174
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Posted: 6/10/2015 11:13:29 AM
https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubPDFs/manda.pdf
Mandatory Reporters of Child Abuse and Neglect

This material may be freely reproduced and distributed. However, when doing so, please credit Child Welfare Information Gateway.
Available online at
https://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/laws_policies/statutes/manda.cfm
Arkansas
Professionals Required to Report
Ann. Code § 12-18-402
The following individuals are mandated reporters:
•Child care, daycare, or foster care workers
•Coroners
•Dentists and dental hygienists
•Domestic abuse advocates and domestic violence shelter employees or volunteers
•Employees of the Department of Human Services
•Employees working under contract for the Division of Youth Services of the Department of Human Services
•Foster parents
Judges, law enforcement officials, peace officers, and prosecuting attorneys
•Licensed nurses, physicians, mental health professionals or paraprofessionals, surgeons, resident interns, osteopaths, and medical personnel who may be engaged in the admission, examination, care, or treatment of persons
•Public or private school counselors; school officials, including without limitation institutions of higher education; and teachers
•Social workers and juvenile intake or probation officers
•Court-appointed special advocate program staff members or volunteers
•Attorneys ad litem
•Clergy members, which include ministers, priests, rabbis, accredited Christian Science practitioners, or other similar
functionary of a religious organization
•Employees of a child advocacy center or a child safety center
•Sexual abuse advocates or volunteers who work with victims of sexual abuse as employees of a community-based victim
service or mental health agency such as Safe Places, United Family Services, or Centers for Youth and Families
•Rape crisis advocates or volunteers
•Child abuse advocates or volunteers who work with child victims of abuse or maltreatment as employees of a community-based victim service or a mental health agency
•Victim/witness coordinators
•Victim assistance professionals or volunteers
•Employees of the Crimes Against Children Division of the Department of Arkansas State Police
•Employees or volunteers at reproductive health-care facilities

Reporting by Other Persons
Ann. Code § 12-18-401
Any person who has reasonable cause to suspect child maltreatment may report.

Institutional Responsibility to Report
Ann. Code §§ 12-18-402(c); 12-18-204
An employer or supervisor of an employee identified as a mandated reporter shall not prohibit an employee or a volunteer from directly reporting child maltreatment to the Child Abuse Hotline.

An employer or supervisor of an employee identified as a mandated reporter shall not require an employee or a volunteer to obtain permission or notify any person, including an employee or a supervisor, before reporting child maltreatment to the Child Abuse Hotline.

Nothing in the reporting laws shall prohibit any person or institution from requiring an employee or volunteer who is a mandatory reporter to inform a representative of that person or institution that the reporter has made a report to the Child Abuse Hotline.

Standards for Making a Report
Ann. Code § 12-18-402
An individual listed as a mandatory reporter shall immediately notify the Child Abuse Hotline if he or she:
•Has reasonable cause to suspect that a child has been subjected to maltreatment or died as a result of maltreatment
•Observes a child being subjected to conditions or circumstances that would reasonably result in maltreatment
https://www.childwelfare.gov

Ann. Code §§ 12-18-402(c); 12-18-803
A privilege or contract shall not prevent a person from reporting child maltreatment when he or she is a mandated reporter and required to report under this section.

No privilege, except that between a lawyer and a client and between a minister, including a Christian Science practitioner, and a person confessing to or being counseled by a minister, shall prevent anyone from testifying concerning child maltreatment.

When a physician, psychologist, psychiatrist, counselor, or therapist conducts interviews with or provides therapy to a subject of a report of suspected child maltreatment for purposes related to child maltreatment, the physician, psychologist, psychiatrist, licensed counselor, or therapist is deemed to be performing services on behalf of the child.
An adult subject of a report of suspected child maltreatment cannot invoke privilege on the child’s behalf.

Inclusion of Reporter’s Name in Report
Ann. Code § 12-18-302
A mandated reporter may report child maltreatment or suspected child maltreatment by telephone call, facsimile transmission, or online reporting.

Facsimile transmission and online reporting may be used in nonemergency situations by an identified mandated reporter who provides the following contact information:
•Name and phone number
•In the case of online reporting, his or her email address
A mandated reporter who wishes to remain anonymous shall make a report through the toll-free Child Abuse Hotline telephone system.

Disclosure of Reporter Identity
Ann. Code § 12-18-909
The identity of the reporter shall not be disclosed unless a court determines that the reporter knowingly made a false report.


We already know that the police person who handled this situation is in prison but it concerns me that a judge had the records destroyed without finding out if the person who originally dealt with the case also followed correct procedure ... most especially since it's now clear that he is also a criminal.
 HFX_RGB2
Joined: 4/14/2015
Msg: 175
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Posted: 6/10/2015 11:50:55 AM
From the oppps, we forgot to tell you about that and we the Duggars do not like to cooperate much you get:



New Investigation Launched Against Duggar Family — 911 Called
Jun 10, 2015 8:28AM | by In Touch Weekly

The Duggar family is under investigation again by the Arkansas Department of Human Services and police were called when the family refused to cooperate, In Touch magazine is reporting exclusively in its new issue that hits newsstands today.

A representative from the Washington County DHS called 911 on May 27 at around 11 a.m. asking for police assistance when DHS was not allowed to see the minor they were concerned about. In Touch, which broke the story of Josh Duggar’s sexual molestation scandal, has the full transcript of the emergency call in the new issue...

...The Duggars made no mention of the fact that they have been under investigation again, but In Touch discovered what they are hiding via another Freedom of Information Act request that produced the 911 call.



http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/new-investigation-launched-against-duggar-family-911-called-60330
 deetristate
Joined: 12/4/2014
Msg: 176
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Posted: 6/11/2015 3:27:51 AM
Wooby- fair? To christians and social conservativesLOL! Name-calling, ad hominem,attempts at insult and PCdom reign loudest here. They will give more examples momentarily.

There is no juvenile justice system that I know of that would normally release this information given that all those involved were underage,especially names of victims. But to get the Christians (not in that group so save the ad hominem on that) they violate all the usual rules regarding release of information.

The judge ordering destruction was correct. Such records are generally " expunged" when requested.

No one is defending molestors. But the accusations will continue nonetheless. LOL.

And again the odds are that at least one of 21 of you is a molestor or worse. The odds were against the family not having one.

I wonder what religion people who hate Christians so much were brought up in.
 HFX_RGB2
Joined: 4/14/2015
Msg: 177
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Posted: 6/11/2015 6:56:29 AM

There is no juvenile justice system that I know of that would normally release this information given that all those involved were underage,especially names of victims.


When you understand that because they waited until Josh was 18 to do anything that the records where not sealed.

The names of the victims where not released, it was the family that brought them forward.




But to get the Christians (not in that group so save the ad hominem on that) they violate all the usual rules regarding release of information.


So are you saying that someone was on a witch hunt?




No one is defending molestors. But the accusations will continue nonetheless. LOL.


Yeah as it is not like people are trying to say that well the odds are pretty high so it would be ok and then laughing about it.




And again the odds are that at least one of 21 of you is a molestor or worse. The odds were against the family not having one.


See above.




I wonder what religion people who hate Christians so much were brought up in.


Most of them were brought up in christian homes and had the brain power to figure out the lie that is religion.
 import_from_uk
Joined: 5/12/2015
Msg: 178
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Posted: 6/11/2015 1:20:23 PM
eetristate

Obviously you both have read it and see yourselves. Have a good night. LOL!!


You're an idiot. You pop up, spout crap, get challenged on it and then huff off taking your ball with you like a friggi' 2 year old. You can't form a sentence properly, let alone explain your reasons. You're just a narrow minded bigot, who has no freakin' idea why they believe what they believe, doesn't consider if you beliefs are based on anything other than blind acceptance, have little inclination to consider any alternatives and are absolutely clueless about how stupid your posts make you appear.

If you had a brain cell, it would be lonely.
 woobytoodsday
Joined: 12/13/2006
Msg: 179
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Posted: 6/11/2015 1:58:21 PM
Dee, according to the lawyers who blog at Free Jinger, the problem is that Josh never got involved with the juvy system--by the time his dad dragged him in, the statute of limitations had run out, so he wasn't charged as a juvenile, and his records didn't go into that system, but stayed at the police records level. If his father had hauled him in when he first heard, the family would have been treated years earlier, and the records would have been sealed. Jim-Bob sorta dug his own grave on this one.

I don't think the fuss is anti-Christian--I think it's anti-hypocrite. I think it likely if you look deeply into Bill Gothard and ATI, you're likely to come out feeling like you need a bath. I think the fight is more Christian VS Cult than Non-Christian VS Christian.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 180
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Posted: 6/11/2015 2:06:16 PM
There seems to be a real reach here. Trying to paint the story as anti Christian or anti social conservative. Because it can't have anything to do with the fact that a celebutard who preaches moral values failed to protect his own daughters from sexual abuse. Or that he turned to two pedophiles to handle the case. Or that parents who have demonstrated a lack of will to protect girls from sexual predation have several girls in their care.

Nah. Got to be a liberal conspiracy against bat shit crazy conservatives.
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