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 jed456
Joined: 4/26/2005
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No I don't believe it is discrimination.Its a business I think some on here are blowing this way out of proportion.Lets be honest it comes down to making a profit for the airlines their highest paying customers are complaining if you are the airline who are you going to listen too? And if your laying out all of that cash who wants to listen to some screaming kid? By the way I'm one of the "peons" who sits in coach and have the joy of listening to a screaming child while I am trying to get some sleep.
 _xxxxxxxxx_
Joined: 4/5/2011
Msg: 31
Airlines bans infants from first class.
Posted: 6/30/2011 9:11:12 AM

Discrimination happens to be one of those things in my opinion. You can't be ok with some form of discrimination and against other's.... That just makes you a first class hypocrite.


you pegged it! or not, would you throw open the elite lounge doors in the concourse as well?

i don't think it's discriminatory when an airline makes adjustments from complaints for those that wish to be premium travelers ..especially when the distractor hasn't paid
for a ticket .. maybe padded crates, a jump seat for mama and a changing table..
 RushLuv
Joined: 4/16/2009
Msg: 32
Airlines bans infants from first class.
Posted: 6/30/2011 9:55:36 AM

Airlines bans infants from first class.


Great. How about if they start banning infants from libraries as well? The library is supposed to be a peaceful, quiet place and it wouldn't be such a bad idea if you (in general) ask me.

As for airlines banning infants from first class, I like the idea. Flying first class is a luxury, and if I were flying first class, I would like to have peace and quiet as well.
 cotter
Joined: 10/17/2005
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Airlines bans infants from first class.
Posted: 6/30/2011 11:06:32 AM
Yuppers ... the poor people (those of us who will never be able to afford 1st class) just get everything dumped in our laps ... eh?

We get the screaming babies, the loud noise of the engines in coach, (stand in line forever) waiting until last to be allowed to board .............

I honestly don't understand all the screaming and crying some babies and children do except to imagine that their parents didn't pay attention to warnings about flying when you have a cold etc.

A lot of little ones don't deal at all well with their inner ears and the changes in pressure that occur when flying. I traveled for years with my babies and small children (between the US and Europe) and never ever once had a screaming annoying child. I did not let them annoy any other passengers, had adequate quiet toys and quiet activities for them to keep them busy and gave them appropriate medication to help them with ear problems that might have occurred.

I also breast fed the very young ones upon take off and landing so that they were swallowing during those times since I couldn't give them gum or candy to suck on and swallow as the plane changes altitudes.

It occurs to me that people who feel they are paying for 1st class seats might actually feel they have a right to let their screaming, annoying child annoy others.

Maybe they should have a sound-proof "Super" 1st class area that would be free of children under 12 ... and then could have a 1st class area for those who can afford to pay for their screaming annoying child to have a seat of their own.
 nipoleon
Joined: 12/27/2005
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Posted: 6/30/2011 12:02:58 PM
There is a very important point which everyone is missing out on.

In today's world, equality isn't guaranteed in the Constitution.
MONEY= EQUALITY
MONEY buys EQUALITY

Everybody has all the equality they can afford to buy.
And..... once we have paid for it, we're damn'd defensive about keeping it.
 femaleconnection
Joined: 8/12/2010
Msg: 35
Airlines bans infants from first class.
Posted: 6/30/2011 1:47:41 PM
I say whomever can afford first class should be able to sit in first class. An infant will cry from time to time...get over it. We were all infants once. If it is an adult making the ruckus, tell them to leave the entire plane...but little ones are little ones and headphones work just fine.
 Welsh474
Joined: 9/13/2010
Msg: 36
Airlines bans infants from first class.
Posted: 6/30/2011 2:07:01 PM
You know, only ONE airline has decided to ban children under two from first class on SOME of it's flights. I don't have a problem with it at all, business is business and it's not exclusionary - just ONE airline on SOME of it's flights. Now if someone wanted to impose a rule that NO children could fly at all on ALL airlines I could see how folks like tdh might get his knickers in a twist. Until then - if it pizzes you off, don't fly Malaysian. And I don't want to spend $300.00 bucks on headphones, I just want the rugrats to quit kicking my seat and to shut the hell up. Parents shouldn't be letting their kids run up and down the aisles, kick seats, yell and cry.

Why not just have adult only flights and family flights??
 TDH49
Joined: 8/13/2010
Msg: 37
Airlines bans infants from first class.
Posted: 6/30/2011 4:25:47 PM
The unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, esp. on the grounds of race, age, or sex
I figured I would print out the definition of discrimination for posters who keep saying this is NOT discrimination. Obviously they have a different definition than the universal one. But lets get away from that angle for a minute. I am going to argue this from a few different angles.

You are in the economy section of an airline when the stewardess comes out of first class with a mother and her crying baby. She seats them in the seat next to you and you ask " What's going on"?. To which she replies " The crying baby was disturbing the people in first class so we decided to bring him/her back here". If that ever happened I am betting they would have to land the plane right away because of all the yelling that would be going on in economy. Not only that I doubt very much if ANYBODY that was within earshot of her saying that would ever fly with that airline again.

I was always thought that in business you ALWAYS threat every customer as if they were your favorite customer. We all know that in business we have preferred customers, but we NEVER let the other customers know they are being treated differently. That's just not good business sense.

If one person is spending 10,000 dollars with a company, that person is no more important than 100 people spending 100 dollars each. Only a very bad business would tell the 100 people spending 100 dollars each that they value the person spending the 10,000 more. Fact is they are BOTH vital to the success of the company and appeasing one at the expense of the other is just bad business.

I love your title " AIRLINES" ban infants
Very valid point but totally unintentional. My bad and my apology.
 cardesi
Joined: 8/5/2010
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Posted: 6/30/2011 5:08:07 PM
I think the airlines should make special seats for mothers with babies! it must be ten times harder for a mother and her baby, than the spoiled rich person in first class! now if the baby cries more than a couple of minutes than yes ask her to move because if she dont know how to care for a baby she should not be in public,and if anyone cant handell a couple of minutes of crying they should not be in public...
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 39
Airlines bans infants from first class.
Posted: 6/30/2011 5:30:48 PM

if the baby cries more than a couple of minutes than yes ask her to move because if she dont know how to care for a baby she should not be in public


Excuse me...perhaps the airlines can give instructions to infants on how to relieve cabin pressure on their ear drums....because those dumb mommies don't know how to stop the little brats from crying.
 TDH49
Joined: 8/13/2010
Msg: 40
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Posted: 6/30/2011 5:34:36 PM
So those with babies who also have paid a heck of a lot money for a ticket don't have rights either?
Those with babes in arms who maybe saved very hard so that they can attempt to sit in comfort with a bit more room to hold and nurse their small babies are somehow deserving of being forced to sit in the cheap seats because their babies are crying on an airplane?
Seriously i do not know how anyone can actually believe thats right
Ahhh But they do believe it's right.




I say whomever can afford first class should be able to sit in first class. An infant will cry from time to time...get over it. We were all infants once. If it is an adult making the ruckus, tell them to leave the entire plane...but little ones are little ones and headphones work just fine.
Makes perfect sense to me.



First class tickets cost about ten times what an economy ticket does. To some extent the first class travellers are subsidizing the rest of us in the back.
Where did you pull this imaginary number from? You know that statement is total and utter BS. The fact is that First class is about 2/3 times more then economy. Stop making up numbers to make your point.


 TDH49
Joined: 8/13/2010
Msg: 41
Airlines bans infants from first class.
Posted: 6/30/2011 7:16:25 PM
Hmm. Talk about imaginary numbers. On Malaysia Airlines, flying from Sydney to Kuala Lumpur is more than 4 times as expensive in first class as it is economy (at least for the date I picked and priced out.) It's so easy to dismiss what others say and to call it "utter BS." But if you do that you should really get your facts straight.
What are you talking about exactly?. Someone said it cost 10 times as much to fly in first class as it does in economy. I googled it and google said on average it cost 2/3 times as much to fly first class as it does economy. You come in telling me about ONE specific airline. If you want to dispute my number show me a different number on AVERAGE to fly first class versus economy. MY FACTS ON THAT IS TOTALLY STRAIGHT. But I am willing to view different numbers if you have them? But any number you come up with will be a far cry from 10 times as much, that much I will bet anything on. So I stand by my total BS statement.



The publication reports Malaysia Airlines CEO Tengku Azmil says the carrier is responding to complaints from first-class passengers about crying infants.
Since the CEO of the company is saying it's because of complaint from first class passenger. I think I will keep rolling with that.


Azmil, who conducted a back-and-forth with an Australian Business Traveller reporter via Twitter, says the first-class passenger complaints center on the fact that they "spend money on 1st class and can't sleep due to crying infants."
like I said I will take the word of the person who actually made the decision to ban these infants.



http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/post/2011/06/malaysia-airlines-baby-ban/175760/1









 cardesi
Joined: 8/5/2010
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Posted: 6/30/2011 7:24:37 PM
BigBadNIrish
Excuse me...perhaps the airlines can give instructions to infants on how to relieve cabin pressure on their ear drums....because those dumb mommies don't know how to stop the little brats from crying........... maybey they might want to figure this out before they get on the plane! ask the doctor for someone like you! there is always a way...and before you start shooting your yap off! calling people dumb! think about it i dont care what you think i was not talking to you!!!
 FrankNStein902
Joined: 12/26/2009
Msg: 43
Airlines bans infants from first class.
Posted: 6/30/2011 7:33:05 PM
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...In 2003, Malaysia Airlines embarked on a revamp of First and Business class cabin of the B747s. The First class seat configuration was reduced from 18 to 12 for passengers to enjoy increased cabin space and extended legroom.

Each new seat came with an electrically operated ottoman that doubles as a visitor seat and could convert to a lie-flat bed with the main seat. As a result of this seat revamp and the introduction of the ottoman, there was no facility for positioning bassinets in the First Class of the B747s.

The reconfigured B747s were mounted into our flight network since November 2004.

Since then Malaysia Airlines has been accepting infants for travel in Economy and Business class of the flights operated by 747 aircraft...




Not sure about anyone else, but I think that pretty much should clear up and confusion.

Although you can always Look On the Bright Side, only about 5% of the worlds populations has to deal with flying.

They just worry about stupid stuff like trying to stay alive and crap like that, if they only knew the horrors that we face daily.
 WalksOnWater2
Joined: 5/19/2009
Msg: 44
Airlines bans infants from first class.
Posted: 6/30/2011 7:41:00 PM
Infants under 2 fly free, or pay 10% of the fare.
The airlines will not piss-off customers who pay thousands of dollars to accommodate colicky infants with smelly diapers who don't bring the money in.
I'm sure the rest of the airlines will follow with the ban shortly.

 TDH49
Joined: 8/13/2010
Msg: 45
Airlines bans infants from first class.
Posted: 6/30/2011 7:46:55 PM
In 2003, Malaysia Airlines embarked on a revamp of First and Business class cabin of the B747s. The First class seat configuration was reduced from 18 to 12 for passengers to enjoy increased cabin space and extended legroom.

Each new seat came with an electrically operated ottoman that doubles as a visitor seat and could convert to a lie-flat bed with the main seat. As a result of this seat revamp and the introduction of the ottoman, there was no facility for positioning bassinets in the First Class of the B747s.

The reconfigured B747s were mounted into our flight network since November 2004.

Since then Malaysia Airlines has been accepting infants for travel in Economy and Business class of the flights operated by 747 aircraft
Yes they did this in response to first class customers complaining about crying infants. Don't just read sections of a article. Read the interview with the CEO of the company... Why they did this isn't even debatable...He has no problem telling the world his reason for doing it.


I'm sure the rest of the airlines will follow with the ban shortly.
That will never happen in North America. The first time they tried that with a lawyer he would haul their a$$es up in court and that would be the end of it.

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Joined: 4/5/2011
Msg: 46
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Posted: 6/30/2011 7:47:08 PM

What are you talking about exactly?. Someone said it cost 10 times as much to fly in first class as it does in economy. I googled it and google said on average it cost 2/3 times as much to fly first class as it does economy. You come in telling me about ONE specific airline. If you want to dispute my number show me a different number on AVERAGE to fly first class versus economy. MY FACTS ON THAT IS TOTALLY STRAIGHT. But I am willing to view different numbers if you have them?


i hates it when the goal posts keep moving

let me help you out . . that ONE specific airline .. is the ONE specific airline in the news that the op has written about, really . . go check out post number ONE . . and if you don't believe that it is about ONE airline ask the op . .


btw; my first hit on google:

There are many factors to consider, but you can expect a 1st class ticket domestic to be 4x the cost of a ticket in Economy.
If you are flying International, you will pay a minimum of 10x the Economy fare for a 1st class ticket
 FrankNStein902
Joined: 12/26/2009
Msg: 47
Airlines bans infants from first class.
Posted: 6/30/2011 8:06:41 PM
Yes they did this in response to first class customers complaining about crying infants. Don't just read sections of a article. Read the interview with the CEO of the company... Why they did this isn't even debatable...He has no problem telling the world his reason for doing it.

FYI: People b*tch about allot of things on planes, I have flow enough to hear pretty much all of them and more so in 1st class than coach.

I bet every airline in the world receives complains about babies crying on planes.

I bet the get just as may about the odd smell in the bathroom.

Or the creepy guy with the short shorts.

etc.....


Also: 747 is a big bus and that crying baby someone complained about might not have even been in 1st class and even if it was and the airline decided to install those seats so that babies could not fly up there , that is their business decisions and the customer has the option to go else where and find someone that does.


Complaining that you can not take your kid into first class is like complaining you can not put a kids car seat in your 911 GT3 RSR and you demand that something be done about it.
 MissNoWhere
Joined: 3/29/2008
Msg: 48
Airlines bans infants from first class.
Posted: 7/1/2011 9:02:13 PM

What about that bratty kid kicking the back of your seat, should we ban him too?.
Or that obese person sitting next to us, should we ban him/her too for taking up too much room and making us uncomfortable?
And that man/woman who can't seem to stop talking while your trying to sleep, should we ban them too?
Don't forget that person with BO sitting right next to us...Damn straight we should ban him/her.


That sounds like the trip I took to Florida last month. The kid behind me tried to give me his binkie after crying for an hour non-stop, the person next to me raised their arm for a little more room and then chit-chatted even after I put my headphones on. On the trip to Florida the girl sitting next to meet seriously needed to clean herself up because I could smell her - gag!

The wee one was the least of my worries - the being put on standby even though I had a confirmed seat was more of a worry - considering my coworker got delayed a day leaving Florida.
 valenciacityx
Joined: 3/10/2009
Msg: 49
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Posted: 7/2/2011 3:11:42 AM
hot shiate,
can we get the movie theaters and amusement parks to chime in next ?
Really, no stroller pushed kid is going to get a movie - leave them at home
same for the parks, I am convinced if Disney did Adult days only - they would see record number of participants show up.
Hell make it mid week, when your stats are down, and notice the influx of well employed skipping work to enjoy the fun.
Think about it clearly;
How much you enjoy, value, care about your kid _______________________
How much I do _
Now for you disfunctional out there that dont enjoy your kids, why the F do you think we should put up with them either.
 Spider_MacGyver
Joined: 6/11/2011
Msg: 50
Airlines ban infants from first class.
Posted: 7/5/2011 5:22:55 PM
Thanks again TDH,
for finding new topics alla time,
you must scan the daily news with an eye for "would this be a good POF discussion" and I thank you for that cuz I'm way too lazy to ever do it myself.

But I don't know how far you want to take the anti-discrimination thingy. In recent memory people got in trouble for profanity on a plane and cellphone usage in a "quiet" train car. Do you think they have a case for discrimination / violation of civil rights? They weren't just banished from first class but were escorted off when they protested.

I'm probably blinded too though -- by the ear-splitting torture of this last weekend when I flew for 4 hours right next to an angry toddler who wanted to toddle, used to getting his way with temper, determined to wear his parents down... I wouldn't be surprised if the pilots even heard him.

As said before me -- ear plugs. I don't leave home without em.
 FrankNStein902
Joined: 12/26/2009
Msg: 51
Airlines ban infants from first class.
Posted: 7/5/2011 6:20:43 PM
So what about the parents who also have money to buy a first or business class ticket?

Well they could chose to fly on another airline as any reasonably person would do and in some cases they will just charter.




Should they be forced to sit in economy because you dont like a baby crying?

Who is forcing anybody to do anything?

That is liked saving they have been forced to eat at McDonald because we do not like skinny people.

If you do not want to fly on that particular airline, pick another one, there are choices.

Problem solved.




I might just borrow someone's new baby, win the lottery and get a business class ticket around the world just to p1ss off the snooty people now!!!!!

I will take "Stuff I have done" for $800 Alex.

Name something you regret doing.

What is flying around the world with a baby.

Correct.
 viper1j
Joined: 11/30/2005
Msg: 52
Airlines ban infants from first class.
Posted: 7/5/2011 7:25:46 PM
Airlines bans infants from first class.


Good deal. Now, if they could only find a way to ban them from theaters and restaurants. Treat them like cigarettes. Nobody wants to be exposed to "second hand infants".

I say whomever can afford first class should be able to sit in first class. An infant will cry from time to time...get over it.


I said the exact same thing about smoking, but it didn't go over so well.. Go figure.
 viper1j
Joined: 11/30/2005
Msg: 53
Airlines ban infants from first class.
Posted: 7/6/2011 1:29:30 PM

As far as smoking, what are we supposed to do, carry around gas masks?


Forget the smoking.

Grab your gas mask and change a newborn's diaper. Trust me, you'll need it.

Probably been a while for you huh?
 viper1j
Joined: 11/30/2005
Msg: 54
Airlines bans infants from first class.
Posted: 7/7/2011 7:21:49 PM

Options are limited of course, thousands of feet in the air in a giant tin can and a crying baby may be difficult to comfort...it is what it is, can't be helped and it is frowned upon to spike their sippy cups with vodka.


There's never a good roll of duct tape around when you need one...

Oh well, that's the biz..
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