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 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
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The alternate juror mentioned motive, that the prosecution didn't prove any motive. In this kind of case, jurors are not supposed to consider motive. It should not have been a factor.


Evidence certainly is admissible to show the defendant had a motive to commit whatever crime he's charged with. Motive is not an element of the crime of murder, so the prosecution didn't need to prove it. Still, jurors are more likely to find a defendant guilty if they can understand WHY he would commit the crime he's charged with.
 junipermoon
Joined: 3/1/2006
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Posted: 7/7/2011 5:37:10 PM

"Baffled em with bullchit" I guess would be the good 'technical term'.


absolutely. groucho marx said it best: 'you can set up a 75 cent meal that will knock their eyes out. and after you knock their eyes out, you can charge whatever you want.'

the verdict shocked an entire nation, a nation hoping that, just once, a guilty party would meet a deserved repercussion. our society has plenty of manufactured enemies, 'evil-doers,' if you will. and here we have a true villain, one of the worst kind. not gay, not islamic, not black. not a member of any group 'they' want us to hate. we have someone we know performed truly heinous acts. someone we could feel ok about despising. and rightly so.

and we let her walk.

i'd like to see a team of attorneys have to prove innocence 'beyond a reasonable doubt.' why has that thought never entered anyone's mind?
 bucsgirl
Joined: 5/13/2006
Msg: 28
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Posted: 7/7/2011 6:27:32 PM
I just don't get at all why she wasn't convicted on any charge of child endangerment, neglect, abandonment. Was there not proof of that? She lied about where her child was, her parents didn't know where the child was. When the alleged babysitter was proven to be false, that should be more than enough to prove putting her child at risk. If there's enough proof that she lied, then why isn't there enough proof that she endangered, neglected, abandoned her child? That I'll never understand. I mean if you left your child willfully, and can't prove WHO you left that child with, or when or for how long........and not get jail time??? Also, not reporting the baby missing for such a long period of time...it just seems there's more than enough proof of that.

I hope that if there is anyone making money off these stories, any venue gets such a backlash, that they don't make a dime. I read People magazine already made a statement that they would not make an offer for any interview. I think any station or show that does should be pelted with angry repercussions.
 FlyyinSolo87
Joined: 6/15/2011
Msg: 29
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Posted: 7/7/2011 8:25:15 PM

I just don't get at all why she wasn't convicted on any charge of child endangerment, neglect, abandonment. Was there not proof of that? She lied about where her child was, her parents didn't know where the child was. When the alleged babysitter was proven to be false, that should be more than enough to prove putting her child at risk. If there's enough proof that she lied, then why isn't there enough proof that she endangered, neglected, abandoned her child? That I'll never understand. I mean if you left your child willfully, and can't prove WHO you left that child with, or when or for how long........and not get jail time??? Also, not reporting the baby missing for such a long period of time...it just seems there's more than enough proof of that.


They would have to prove that Caylee was alive during some part of the time she went missing to when Casey reported her missing. If they could prove that Caylee was left unattended for 2 weeks before she died after the day she supposedly went missing then they could get Casey for neglect and abandonment. Courts also favor the living for certain charges. They can't prove the Casey neglected Caylee because she was most likely already dead. Unfortunately, and as cruel as this sounds, you really cannot neglect, abandon, or endanger the welfare of someone who is already dead. Once they're dead it's considered illegal disposal of human remains. Some charges are really hard to prove without a living victim, like Rape/Murder charges. Proving murder with a dead victim is easy compared to the rape charge coinciding.

They can prove that she lied to the police because there was no baby sitter that Caylee was left with. And if Caylee died the day she was said to have gone missing then that also proves that Casey lied to the police. I hope this give you a little better understanding of why she couldn't be convicted of this.
 Flipgirl24
Joined: 7/20/2010
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Posted: 7/7/2011 8:43:52 PM
I disagree with those who say that we like who we like. We like someone for different reasons. Typically, those with low self-esteem will choose someone who treats them badly because they believe that is all they deserve (not always but many times). That same person with low self-esteem may choose to change his or her life and circumstances which will lead to a different outlook and likes/dislikes. I think we have a choice for the most part. Yes we have our own preferences but our preferences are influenced by the person we choose to be.

Anyway, the whole case was a joke. And again, as in the OJ case, the justice system will be seen as a joke. It was proven that she lied to the police to her parents to everyone. It was proven that her family is messed up. It was proven that she is a terrible mother. It just wasn't proven that she committed murder. I don't know if CAsey is guilty of murder but her and her family did something to that poor girl. Why aren't they looking for the real murderer now? Why aren't the parents all gung-ho on finding justice for little Caylee? Why would they when they're going to be swimming in money from all the movie and book deals they are offered? Oh yes, don't forget the porn offers too. Are we sickened by the fact that Casey didn't tell anyone her daughter was missing until a month after she discovered it and will be a celebrity as a result or by the fact that we will be watching the movies and reading the books?
 FlyyinSolo87
Joined: 6/15/2011
Msg: 31
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Posted: 7/7/2011 8:51:43 PM
I wouldn't say that I'm too stupid to avoid serving. If I were actually summoned, I would proudly serve to my best ability. There are some people out there that actually take pride in serving their community in such a manner. Also what's to stop the judge from making a grave error? Judges, like doctors, are capable of human error just as much as anyone in the jury. Personally I like my odds with 12 average people than one seemingly intelligent judge.
 vnufall
Joined: 3/6/2011
Msg: 32
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Posted: 7/8/2011 6:07:42 AM
casey anthony was aqutted on the first 3 and most significant charges because the prosecution did not prove their case. doesn't mean she's innocent. she will have a hard time when she gets out. lots of folks are very angry at her and she won't be loved by everyone. i think we will see her get in trouble again eventually, just a matter of time.
 Flipgirl24
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Posted: 7/8/2011 6:41:03 AM
Heard this morning.she's getting out wednesday. According to Marcia Clark, the famous OJ prosecutor, it may not be the real date as due to her 'celebrity status', a fake date might have been given. I don't think her life will be great but the movie and book deals wil support her party habits. I am personally not looking forward tobseeing all the reports on 'what's casey doing now?' Now they are trying to enact Caylee's Law which says that a parent or guardian must report their child missing if they haven't had any contact with the child within 48 hours (child under 12). Sad that a law must be made to say you have to be in contact with your child.
 forumrun4
Joined: 3/5/2011
Msg: 34
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Posted: 7/8/2011 12:19:12 PM
Release date change?....what is this the feckin pelican brief.

Heres a de-briefing....its all about fame and the mighty buck.

And did i ever learn that the media is a one sided bias circus...that i know
for sure.....

Ps, ya didnt have to pay me for my opinion...>>>>>
 forumrun4
Joined: 3/5/2011
Msg: 35
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Posted: 7/8/2011 12:48:24 PM
And, ill state for the record....someone learns to lie because they cant tell the truth
without persecusion...so, to heck with her parents.
Not guilty for >>> most all >>> for fear of twisted bs.
 nipoleon
Joined: 12/27/2005
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Posted: 7/8/2011 1:54:52 PM
The prosecution never showed a cause of death.
The prosecution never connected the mother with the death.

Sure, the mother is no angel but we don't convict people just because somebody needs to be convicted.

A lot of people are criticizing the jury.
How many of these people have ever sit on a jury ? How many of these same people will bend over backwards to get out of jury duty when called ?

Fortunately, Nancy Grace doesn't get to convict people just on her say so.
 2findU
Joined: 11/19/2005
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Posted: 7/8/2011 2:13:54 PM
That is just unbelievable. 12 MORONS on that jury!
 forumrun4
Joined: 3/5/2011
Msg: 38
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Posted: 7/8/2011 2:59:28 PM
I think people should get aquainted with mandelbrots theory
So, while this trial goes on and on..verdict and all

I am going to question my azz pictures..lest i get arrested and told i am a party freak and wack job..all becuzz i was booted off a forum..and dats da truth
 forumrun4
Joined: 3/5/2011
Msg: 39
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Posted: 7/8/2011 3:30:01 PM
And what about the seasoned attourneys whom mocked mr jose

Look up the peter principle....and no i have not rested my case ...yet
 FlyyinSolo87
Joined: 6/15/2011
Msg: 40
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Posted: 7/8/2011 11:05:58 PM
I've always had the opinion that the media should keep their opinions out when reporting news. Everyone says how impressionable the youth is,but I personally feel that adults are more easily manipulated by mass media than anything else.
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
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Posted: 7/9/2011 1:50:55 PM

the US Constitution was created to protect the minority from majority rule.


That was one of the motives for creating it--but far from the only one.


the role of mass media negatively impacting these Constitutional safeguards to protect us from overzealous or malicious prosecutors.


The ethical standards the states' high courts establish for lawyers already protect criminal defendants from that kind of prosecution. Prosecutors are supposed to be zealous, but their ultimate duty is to obtain justice--not convictions. For example, if the prosecution comes by any information that might be helpful to the defense, it has to disclose it. If that means losing the case, so be it.

Reporters have been taking strong stands on criminal trials for a very long time, and yet juries have still been able to make their decision based only on the evidence before them. In this case, the jury apparently wasn't convinced that the prosecutors had connected Casey Anthony to her daughter's murder--or even that she had been murdered.

I don't know enough details about the case to be sure the acquittal was an outrage. But it's hard to imagine how the mother's actions--and inactions--were not enough evidence that she recklessly caused Caylee's death. I don't see acquitting her of manslaughter. No mother would act as nonchalant about her two-year old's safety as she did, for that long, unless she knew the child was already dead. And how could she have known that, unless she'd been involved in her death?

Courts can limit news coverage in some cases. But the 6th Amendment guarantees defendants the right to a "public" trial.
 forumrun4
Joined: 3/5/2011
Msg: 42
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Posted: 7/9/2011 7:38:16 PM
Casey and Caylee were>>> MISSING for 31 days..yet on the stand Cindy
said she talked on the phone everyday asking to speak with caylee.
Does this make sense. If your yapping on the phone she is not actually
missing....maybe your not seeing them in the flesh thou >> missing
means...know known wereabouts or contact.

AND one more note...whom in a tragedy...wears mascara and whips teary eyes
is such away as to not have your mascara smudge...>>>whatever
Sorry, in any horrible situation i do not have time or one thought as to my bloody makeup..... NOT EVEN in front of a camera
 IgorFrankensteen
Joined: 6/29/2009
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Posted: 7/10/2011 7:09:11 AM
Another famous case to recall in reference to this one, is the murder of JonBenet Ramsey.

In the same way as this one, the rapidly drawn conclusion of the media was that the Mom killed her own daughter, and that conclusion was drawn primarily due to the disapproval of the Mom's behavior (in encouraging her daughter to be in child beauty pageants). That one has never been solved either. And, after the huge hububb died down, helped along, as I recall, by that same self-righteous grand-stander who pushed this mess along, it finally started to come out that there were OTHER potential suspects who went free, because the police and media focused all of their efforts on the Mom.

As to the "innocent until proven guilty" concept, the reason we HAVE to keep emphasizing it, and codifying it, is that the most common human response to a crime is GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT. So enough with the wailing and gnashing of teeth because people jumped to conclusions not supported by the evidence, that's ALWAYS been the case.
 matchlight
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Posted: 7/12/2011 8:42:38 AM
^^^^^I don't see how any of that proves that she *murdered* her daughter. Several things O.J. Simpson did after those murders showed his guilty knowledge very clearly. But you have to have some evidence which clearly connects the defendant to the victim. When you don't even know just when and where a homicide took place, as I think was true here, that's pretty hard to do. Lots of murderers have gone free when everyone knew they were guilty as sin.
 cotter
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Posted: 7/12/2011 9:29:20 AM
There were plenty of people who knew she was drugging that baby and leaving it in her back seat while she went partying and clubbing ... but who in their right mind would come forward to testify against the daughter of a police-related woman? Talk about putting a big red (or perhaps bright yellow) target on your back!!!

I lived in Florida when that chit all went down and the local news was full of information to that extent ... but you sure didn't see any of those folks stepping forward to testify ... not on your life. They knew better. Those people just simply vanished.

Just because they felt they couldn't find her guilty does not mean she is innocent.
 FlyyinSolo87
Joined: 6/15/2011
Msg: 46
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Posted: 7/12/2011 11:10:37 AM

There were plenty of people who knew she was drugging that baby and leaving it in her back seat while she went partying and clubbing ... but who in their right mind would come forward to testify against the daughter of a police-related woman? Talk about putting a big red (or perhaps bright yellow) target on your back!!!

I lived in Florida when that chit all went down and the local news was full of information to that extent ... but you sure didn't see any of those folks stepping forward to testify ... not on your life. They knew better. Those people just simply vanished.

Just because they felt they couldn't find her guilty does not mean she is innocent.


I'm sure that in every place in the world there are people with some serious small-town mentalities. "I heard from my neighbor who heard from her daughter, who heard form her cousin, who heard from her friend, who heard from her second cousin thrice removed, who heard from her dead grandpappy, that she drugged her child so she could go out clubbing." Gotta love it. It's called hearsay, which is completely inadmissible. If those people didn't come forward it was because it was a rumor that they heard. Or if the person who said it first didn't come forward, it's most likely because they made it up to get their own 15 minutes of fame. Most news stations don't need a CREDIBLE source, just a source. Then when the information is found to be false, they can merely chalk it up to a bad source.
 forumrun4
Joined: 3/5/2011
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Posted: 7/12/2011 5:22:15 PM
If i ever commit pergery...its my lack of vitamin b...stress ya know
 matchlight
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Posted: 7/12/2011 5:53:31 PM

No on can prove she didn't do it either


That's true--but no one had to prove that. A criminal defendant doesn't have to put on any defense whatever to be acquitted.


If she wasn't killed


This girl probably WAS killed. And her mother probably killed her. But even if she did, it wouldn't necessarily mean she murdered her. It's harder for me to understand why they acquitted her on the manslaughter charge also.


Just because they felt they couldn't find her guilty does not mean she is innocent.]/quote]

That's true. I'm sure more than a few people have been acquitted of murders they committed.


They should have gone with negligent homicide. I think the jury could have bought into that.


That's an unusual crime that some states recognize. The negligence has to be really extreme--a reckless disregard for someone else's safety that directly causes their death. If it was available in Florida, it might have been the best thing to charge her with.

The most famous use of that charge was in a case during WWII that involved the Cocoanut Grove, a very popular nightclub in Boston. Some of the doors had been blocked off when the place was a speakeasy, and then the owner had more of them blocked to keep people from slipping out without paying their tabs.

One night when about 1,ooo people were inside--double its rated capacity--a careless busboy set some decorations on fire, and in a few minutes the whole place went up. It was so hard to get out that almost 500 people were killed. The owner, who was in the hospital for something, was convicted of criminal negligence. I think he died not too long afterwards.
 verygreeneyez
Joined: 3/15/2006
Msg: 49
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Posted: 7/12/2011 6:16:00 PM

What people fail to understand here...is that...she could have shaken the baby and resulted in death. She could have murdered the child...but without premeditation. She could have chloroformed the kid to party and she died.

NONE of those are capital murder.

Exactly. The case was over-charged, under-prosecuted and grossly mal-investigated. It very well could have been that the baby drowned or died by some other mean(s). No one will EVER know the real story ~ and what was presented in on-the-record-court certainly did not prove murder, and that is exactly what the jury stated with their verdict and also what the three have said who have spoken to media. I can NOT believe the number of people who are so outraged by this matter. This happens every day in courts all across the nation. This particular case happened on a low-news day, the media picked it up, and it went from there. The outrage really should be directed towards those who are picketing, making death threats, harassing the former jurors, and those like Nancy Grace who don't have the intelligence it takes to just shut the hell up already! That "sniffer machine" was about the most ludicrous "science" I have ever seen presented in court ~ I mean really now!! People that wish to have a "cause" really should be outraged about things that pertain to their OWN lives. Such as: unemployment, the deficit, the never-ending-wars we are involved in, going green, etc. JMO
 forumrun4
Joined: 3/5/2011
Msg: 50
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Posted: 7/13/2011 1:38:20 PM
I am perplexed by her behavior too....why is she all giddy smiling..grooming
herself...but mostly...it was stated she was a model good prisoner...happy
and compliant in jail...i was in there for a few days and almost crapped my pants.
The shear altering on my life from freedom to no choice when i could eat screwed
me up...so just for the fact that she can adjust on a dime is why she should be
beat senseless....she MUST be mentally ill....i must admit that its this reason i am fixed on this case.HOW does she just carry on......
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