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 vlad dracul
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my sympathys to any folk who have lost property or their jobs
in the various areas which have been looted.

a lot of folk on here have touched upon the lack of jobs, education and
that the looters and rioters are only displaying their anger.

what bollocks.

they are a bunch of theiving rodents. what kind of protest involves
robbing plasma tv's, computers, sports shops and breaking into decent
folks houses?

there are no jobs we have been told, so lets burn and wreck folks places
of work so they too can feel the pain



great to see the apologists wringing hands and putting onions to their eyes to
get the tears flowing

lol do you 'feel the pain' of the looters? do you really?
 strictlyballroom1
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Posted: 8/9/2011 12:09:49 AM
Multiculturalism: the lawmakers who sell it to the rest of us as a good idea probably only live amongst the rich americans/europeans, the rest of us have to live with cultures who cant get on with each other, never mind the indigenous population. The ruling/business classes have always understood the advantage of immigration on controling wage inflation, but sell it as multi culturalism and dont fully embrace it themselves. I wonder how many lawmakers actually live in the effected areas. Interesting that you never hear of riots taking place in the mid shires.
 andy1961
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Posted: 8/9/2011 12:44:45 AM

what bollocks.

they are a bunch of theiving rodents. what kind of protest involves
robbing plasma tv's, computers, sports shops and breaking into decent
folks houses?


there are no jobs we have been told, so lets burn and wreck folks places
of work so they too can feel the pain



great to see the apologists wringing hands and putting onions to their eyes to
get the tears flowing

lol do you 'feel the pain' of the looters? do you really?




Agree with every word!

I cannot believe people on here are putting this rioting down to the state of the economy, the banks, unemployment, migrants etc etc. What a load of unadulterated crap!
These low life scum appear to be from as young as 10 years of age upwards to young adults, who are simply out to have a good time at the expense of decent peoples' livelihoods, there businesses, there homes.

Home Secretary Theresa May has just sat on the news about an hour ago praising the police for their "bravery" and their "robust tactics" and yet avoiding any questions about certain tactics such as water cannons and rubber bullets that should be used or indeed even bringing the army in.
And why? Because after the "Cobra" meeting at 9am this morning it's pretty well damn guaranteed that there will be no change to the police tactics on the orders of that p*ssy Cameron, apart from maybe putting more personnel on the streets starting today. So that means we'll have a fourth night of burning buildings and looting with police unable to do anything but stand there and swivel batons whilst trying to avoid missiles.
Or better than that, retreating as they've done over the last four days, because they'll probably be outnumbered again depending on whats kicking off where and when.

But lets be honest, the Metropolitan Police are scared to do anything these days anyway, through fear of losing their jobs - and I personally don't blame them.

Cameron is a disgrace and should have resigned two weeks ago over the phone hacking scandal anyway (in my opinion), and at the very least, the people of London should be calling for his head if he doesn't get this disgusting, disgraceful situation sorted out now!

Get these pigs off the streets.


 seabass15
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Posted: 8/9/2011 1:49:21 AM
I have read most of the replies to this thread, I lived in Camberwell as a kid, life was so much more simple then, we could play in the streets,we didn't throw, bricks or stones or anything else at the police, if we did something wrong the local bobby would tell us off, and tell our parents, they would punish us. There also wasn't the drug & gun culture there is now.
Today there is no control, and gradually we are going into melt down. We could be out all day, playing with the other kids, in the neighbourhood, and be safe, without the fear, thats going the rounds.
This problem has been brewing for at least thirty years. I am glad my parents moved out of London when they did. There is no respect & discipline left in society today. I Blame successive governments for their handling of todays society. Also the education system, WE were taught the three RRR's we also new our tables back to front, we did fractions, decimals, we could find the SQ root longhand, we used logs,also slide rules, how many can do that today. I know what my solution to the problems would be, but there are too many, mamby pamby leffties out there, who would not agree, and that is the biggest part of the problem.... There are lost generations out there, how can we help them to recover.. end of RANT.
 Strider886
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Posted: 8/9/2011 2:32:07 AM
I'm beginning to think the solution is regional marshall law (needed in order to get the army involved). Rubber bullets and a good kicking should sort these kids out. The Police can't do anything because they have to work within the law and are afraid of accusations of excessive force and (particularly in this case) racism. But under marshall law there would be no comebacks, no compensation claims and no nonsense........ Get in there, kick some ass and sort this out!

Hell, why not do away with the rubber bullets, and do us all a favour?
 stonecastle
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Posted: 8/9/2011 3:45:39 AM
The only solution is to send in the army as the police are virtually useless, they just stand around and allow the rioters to loot and burn property. The army would deal with those thugs properly. The army was sent to deal with rioters in Northern Ireland in 1969 so why shouldn't they be used this time? The only reason I can think of is political cowardice because that moron David Cameron our so called prime minister is such a weak politician. If only Winston Churchill was in power, he would know how to deal with them.
 badge73
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Posted: 8/9/2011 3:47:05 AM
As police lost control of the streets of London last night, locals were forced to take the law into their own hands to protect their homes and businesses.

In Dalston and Hackney, north-east London, shopkeepers and their families fought back against looting youths and forced them from the streets. As surrounding areas were pillaged members of the town's large Turkish community stood firm outside their homes and businesses.

One man said: 'This is Turkish Kurdish area. They come to our shops and we fight them with sticks.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2023932/London-riots-Powerless-police-let-mob-seize-streets-loot-start-fires-violence-spreads.html#ixzz1UWiv6bQ5

big well done and a to the turks for defending their businesses. hopefully a few more communities will step up and take control of their area and give out a few slaps. know a few lads who i served with ( a few still in ) who are itching to get involved, after all this is what defending your country is all about.

if it does carry on i can see more groups getting involved, hopefully a few from the bulldog bash might pop into brum on the way home and give the people a hand.

BREAKING NEWS... David Cameron: "I am granting the Metropolitan Police emergency powers to use water cannons, rubber bullets and tear gas to take back control of our streets from these poncing parasites biting the hand that feeds them. In addition I am deploying the British Army as a visible presence to provide the authority that is so very lacking.".
Carlsberg don't do Prime Ministers but if they did... :)

come on dave, the people want action and skulls cracked!!
 badge73
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Posted: 8/9/2011 4:15:14 AM

I don't think the same thing about any soldier, who wants to get out there and lay into the youth of their own country.


dont think it will be just grabbing youths of the street, think more of those throwing bricks or looting .....

plus soldiers will most likely give out proper justice, i mean if a copper arrests a looter what will happen? taken up a cell for a few days, lawyer turns up etc courts send them to alton towers for rebonding with the community. where a snatch squad will go in grab the scrote and no doubt rough him up a bit as to discourage, take details and hand over to the relevant services.
 Marquis_de_Michaelmas
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Posted: 8/9/2011 4:40:51 AM


There needs to be a completely brutal crackdown,plain and simple-i dont care if they are only teenagers-if they are old enough to do the looting,they are old enough to take a good kicking,ok,rant over...........for now


I wonder if they are all given a good kicking whether or not that will spark even more violence and ultimately possible deaths in retribution?
 stonecastle
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Posted: 8/9/2011 4:58:22 AM
The only time the police really crack down on outbreaks of disorder is during a political demonstration. The police dealt robustly with the Poll Tax riots and with the riot during the TUC demo back in March. I was in central London then and never once felt in danger because there were hundreds of police in riot gear on every other street corner. Why when it is just criminal violence do the police drag their feet?
 Marquis_de_Michaelmas
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Posted: 8/9/2011 5:08:52 AM

That may be the case,i'm hearing a man shot last night in croydon has died of his injuries,so what else are we supposed to do? stand by and let them get away with it?


Arrest them, charge them, imprison them, but if you use unnecessary violence in doing so you risk making them martyrs and inciting more needless violence. Use overwhelming numbers to stop it now, and protect the homeowners and small businesses not just large multi-store corporations. We are at a cross roads in our history; a 9/11 moment. What we do and how we do it will have a significant effect on our future and we shouldn't take these decisions lightly. Life as we know it may never be the same again.
 mysteriosa
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Posted: 8/9/2011 5:20:24 AM
It must be terrifying for people in these areas and I can imagine they want every possible force to be thrown at the perpetrators. They should be controlled, no doubt about it, but severe repression could backfire too.


How desperate will people feel if they can't pay their bills, or feed their families, or find work, or keep their homes..? How desperate must people feel...?


In dire economic straits, there will be people feeling the pain who eventually will rebel against what they see as an unfair situation. Families who are currently coping may find their breadwinner loses a job and then they may understand what is happening all over the country.

People also misunderstand what poverty means. Short-term poverty is an entirely different situation to long-term poverty. It is one thing to go without for a day or a week but it is another to go without year after year. If, on top of that, you find all sources of help and opportunity closing down around you, life must seem very frustrating and hopeless. In that situation, what have you got to lose?

If we have severe repression and more people on all sides are killed and injured, then we will have martyrs and underlying causes will not be addressed. Trouble will break out again. If the government changes the law to allow more repression or the army to get involved on our streets, then one day. when well-meaning middle-class people protest at the building of incinerators or selling off of woodland, they will find themselves faced with state repression and no opportunity to express their grievances. We need to be very careful about calling for changes in the law. Innocent people need to be protected without damaging the civil rights of all citizens for the future.
 mysteriosa
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Posted: 8/9/2011 5:35:15 AM
I don't think we can know that until we have heard views from all sectors of the community, including those who were involved in the rioting. I am not suggesting this to condone it but we need to understand what happened and why.
 Marquis_de_Michaelmas
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Posted: 8/9/2011 6:47:44 AM

When i saw all the 'Hoodies' rioting on the high street, I knew i had to find somewhere safe where they would never think of going, So i'm in the Job Centre at the minute...


I think you might find that those Hoodies are all self-employed thieves?
 badge73
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Posted: 8/9/2011 8:29:51 AM

99.99% of the looters are black are they - would be grateful if you could confirm your source for this statistic please.


didnt you know the council made them fill in a form stating such question before they rioted

wonder how long it will take before people actually work out the rest of us will have to pay for the clear up via tax and obviously insurance going up!!

hopefully the press will keep tabs on those arrested and what punishment (if any) they got, hopefully dave will learn from this and give more power to the police and hopefully includes more stop and searches and sharing information with government agencies, after all it would be quite comical if someone is caught carrying a tv away if they are claiming for a bad leg or back

as to what it started over ......

Mark Duggan was carrying a blank-firing handgun converted to fire live bullets when he was killed by a single gunshot to the chest, it was revealed today.

The father-of-four was armed with the pistol converted to fire live bullets when he was shot by armed police officers, it was reported.

Such a weapon is popular among London's drug gang members.

Reports have claimed that Mr Duggan did not open fire on police before he was shot dead at close range by a specialist firearms officer.

At the opening of the inquest into his death, it was revealed that Mr Duggan was killed by a single gunshot wound to the chest.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024094/Mark-Duggan-carrying-converted-replica-handgun-shot-dead-single-police-bullet.html#ixzz1UXtk2WhC

so assume some started rioting over the fact a man was carrying a converted pistol .... like everyone carrys one of them .......
 Strider886
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Posted: 8/9/2011 8:53:48 AM
IT PRECISLY BECAUSE OF HEAVY HANDED POLICE TACTICS THAT THESE RIOTS STARTED IN THE FIRST PLACE


Heavy handed? Don't make me laugh!

You want heavy handed? go start a riot in America (or anywhere else in the world for that matter).... Oh but remember they shoot looters on sight in the US, should be fun yes?

Bunch of kids playing at being "gangsta's" for the day.... Simple as that.

As for your nonsense about rights and equality, wake up dude.... Seriously. It's "native Brit's" that have more reason to be upset. And don't forget we ALL take second place to those of middle eastern origin, who seem to think the law simply does not apply to them.
 Marquis_de_Michaelmas
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Posted: 8/9/2011 9:10:11 AM
Shops and offices in the West End have been advised to close early. There are no reports of any violence, but there has been an increased police presence.
 Marmite baby
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Posted: 8/9/2011 9:42:48 AM
I think that the most sensible comment was to parents/ guardians. Plus we should get the army in.What happened to the decent, hard working members of our country? The police are overwhelmed. And F deprivation. People get freebies here when lack of clean water causes countless deaths abroad. We must back the police up.
 Marmite baby
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Posted: 8/9/2011 9:55:37 AM
Disaffected my arse.The army should be deployed, and these thieves should face the onsequences of their actions.This is a civil war.And we should deploy the army against them
 Marquis_de_Michaelmas
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Posted: 8/9/2011 10:51:36 AM
I was thinking more of the Home Counties Horticulturists versus the Inner City Allotment Keepers in greatest hoe down of them all the BATTLE OF THE ROSES!
Imagine the manure that can be shared! Rakes vs Spades (No calling them Shovels please!)
What we sow we shall reap!
Who are the best in their field !
Lets talk about Cows or Pigs!

Of course the Media are lapping it up; it takes the emphasis away from the Police taking Bribes from the Media for telephone numbers in the Hacking scandal etc... bet you all forgot about that!
 badge73
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Posted: 8/9/2011 12:21:13 PM
The people of London call it 'a disgrace'.

The people of Birmingham call it 'an abomination.'

The people of Liverpool call it 'a Monday'.

think most have heard about the police not doing much as if just watching, i even wondered why myself etc ....... until i remembered what they do at the football, when they know certain teams fans are going for it and kick off, most of the coppers just observe, normally one with a video camera somewhere, they dont arrest or anything. then a few days later they wake them up at 6am with a boot through the door and take down the station, with all the pictures and videos at the moment they will be busy little bees for the next few months.
 badge73
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Posted: 8/9/2011 12:35:22 PM
someone came up with an excellent idea just now, why dont they spray the thugs with dye...no backlash for police, and they will easily be spotted for arresting purposes, and everyone they know will be aware of what they did


to liberal left wing, hug a hippy under the tree whilst eating tofu type of idea. make it battery acid and might have an idea.

hearing a couple of whispers of football fans joining up to protect each others property, and the e.d.l are doing rent a mob.

it must be like a birthday and christmas all at once for the b.n.p as the amount of propaganda from this is unreal.

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 Marquis_de_Michaelmas
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Posted: 8/9/2011 3:25:18 PM
Looks like it's kicking off in Tottenham again
"Seven sisters in tottenham, hair & beauty shop ablaze & kicking off at tesco"
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Posted: 8/9/2011 5:48:31 PM
Don't feed the trolls guys and send them back under their bridges.

Its been pretty quiet in London tonight thank god however not up north in places like Manchester.

Did anyone see that hooded scumbag being interviewed by Sky news around 10pm?

Just to lighten the mood I have heard that Tottenham have signed a new Italian striker called Grabatelly.
 andy1961
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Posted: 8/10/2011 12:23:44 AM
ok, it's not being reported by BBC News for fear of inciting racial hatred, but hundreds of men (white) are marching to Lewisham, a predominately black area, from Eltham, they belong to the National Front, The EDL and BNP, this is what we were all afraid of

Nick Griffin the BNP MP has declared his solidarity with these marching men


Yep, this is now the real danger that has arisen and may really kick off!

The rioting may blow over - particularly in London - over the next couple of days and that will be the end of it.

Or, it will get a lot worse by the weekend. And with people of all colour and creed quite rightly defending their homes, businesses and places of worship etc, combined with vigilantes roaming the streets and extreme right groups getting involved, this rioting since last weekend could evolve into something a lot more sinister and widespread.

For low life scum like Nick Griffin, it's a wet dream that may very quickly come true.
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