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 orionids4ever
Joined: 8/14/2011
Msg: 51
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While I find your responses very comforting and cathartic due to your rational, I am still worried.


1. I did see the pictures
a. no, they wouldn't make me the number one sexiest women on this planet but it
isn't about that is it, it is about controlling another person.
b. and no, he did not delete them in front of me when I said I didn't like this
c. and yes, I need to worry, because I don't know if he took other pictures


2. I am a public figure
a. in my profession this type of publicity could cause immediate termination.
no questions asked, no "you are innocent until you are proven guilty".
Florida is a "no grounds or proof needed for termination" state.
b. I love my profession and I don't want to be at risk of loosing it so why
should I not be "VERY" upset about that.

c. I would never get a position in my profession again, no matter how dead, or
unpornlike I look on these pictures.
 abelian
Joined: 1/12/2008
Msg: 52
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Posted: 9/6/2011 6:35:10 PM
c. I would never get a position in my profession again, no matter how dead, or
unpornlike I look on these pictures.

Then you're in real trouble because it's easy enough to take a photo of your face and attach it to another body well enough for it to pass the public figure smear test. If you worked for the cia or the fbi, they might care enough to analyze the image, but they also wouldn't be all that likely to care about the photos in the first place. If you can't get away with denying the real photo is yours at the level a public figure could get away with, you won't stand much chance with a faked one, either. So, you might as well not worry about it. Apparently, your ex doesn't have it in badly enough for you to get you fired and anyone who does, apparently could, without the photos your ex took. I'd worry more about the fakes than the real thing, if I were you. Apparently your job hinges on too many things you can't control and anyone with a grudge can get you fired.
 _TALL_IQ2_
Joined: 2/10/2010
Msg: 53
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Posted: 9/6/2011 6:47:39 PM
1. I did see the pictures


I love my profession and I don't want to be at risk of loosing it so why
should I not be "VERY" upset about that

You HAD that opportunity to grab the camera and delete them there on the spot..
We are now starting to wonder about the veracity of this whole incident/thread..
 orionids4ever
Joined: 8/14/2011
Msg: 54
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Posted: 9/6/2011 6:47:44 PM
True, true, all of the above. I am actually at this point not that worried about it anymore. I am just reveling in all the human compassion/attention that I am getting. I have done what I can do. I filed a report with the police, it is on file and that is it. If I get fired, well, I will take it a sign of fate that I am destined to move on to better things. And...yes. to anticipate any more comments. I am probably more likely to get fired because of the GDP next year, than for any other reason.
 orionids4ever
Joined: 8/14/2011
Msg: 55
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Posted: 9/6/2011 6:53:55 PM
Oh brother, you jumped all over that one. Why would I put myself in a situation to fight over a camera with a guy who I am alone with in his house who is two heads taller and 150 pounds heavier than I am? Helloooo...!!!
Besides, my saying that I don't agree should suffice, no? If...someone is decent, which he is not, and that is that. Why must someone here absolutely find a way to show that I must be somehow as bad or somehow evil too? I suppose it is just for the sake of entertainment or just playing the devil's advocate for fun. But at least try to make it have some kind of logical basis.
 twelfth_dimension
Joined: 7/23/2011
Msg: 56
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Posted: 9/6/2011 6:53:55 PM

The woman had no reasonable expectation of privacy. She went to sleep naked, with a man. She was fully aware at the time of going to sleep, that she was not going to have privacy during her sleep. When she woke up, naked, after her sleep, she found it quite natural that there was the man around still. Her lack of surprise or protest to not being private at that point when she became conscious after her sleep, proves that she was reasonably expecting to not be in privacy. Therefore she had no resaonable expectations of privacy.

The man did not break the law.


I'm no lawyer either, but I'm pretty sure that taking explicit photographs of someone without their consent is legally questionable, if not outright illegal. She did have a reasonable expectation of privacy, as she was not in public. If she had walked out of the house naked and someone took a picture, then your argument would be valid. But in the privacy of one's own bedroom? You should expect not to have explicit photographs taken of you without your consent in those circumstances, especially when you have no control over the use and/or distribution of said photographs.

To illustrate this, say she had been in the shower with the curtain partly open, and the guy walked in and took a picture. Would the same priniciple apply, that she had no expectation of privacy because she was naked in the shower? How is being naked in bed any different?
 tbputnam1
Joined: 5/20/2011
Msg: 57
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Posted: 9/6/2011 7:07:19 PM
Wow this thread made me feel creepy.

I was dating a woman a couple of months ago and I took some pictures of her sleeping, fully clothed. She fell asleep on my bed while we were watching tv. I just thought she looked cute and wanted to capture it. I sent them to her later and we make a joke about it. .. But after reading all this I sorta feel guilty about it. I surely wasn't trying to violate her, just thought she looked so peaceful and beautiful sleeping.
 ravenhair4u
Joined: 8/13/2011
Msg: 58
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Posted: 9/6/2011 7:37:43 PM
You need to make a police report immediately!!! Consult an attorney immediately! His consultation should be free, you can even have a free consultation over the phone. For about $100-$150, the attorney can write a letter to him, demanding the pics & all negatives & write something to the effect, that if the pics ever show up on the internet you will file a lawsuit, press charges & he will be held responsible. He is a lowlife he violated you in the worst way!! As far as him claiming he didn't betray your trust becuz he told you about it, he is twisted, sick & illogical. He betrayed & violated you in the worst way! There is no defending his actions. He defended this as normal? Does he also think child porn is normal? Is rape normal? He is MENTALLY DISTURBED! Please tell us his name!! All females should be warned so they can stay far away from him! He is an idiot!!
 Kevjohns
Joined: 8/9/2011
Msg: 59
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Posted: 9/6/2011 8:06:03 PM
Criminally, a first time violation of the Statute cited is a misdemeanor of the first degree in Florida, which essentially means NO jail time (maximum allowed is one year) and at most a $1000.00 fine. (even a beginning prosecutor would have little interest in this case absent an egregious use of the photos)

A threat of a civil lawsuit would be much more effective. BUT, Florida is a Homestead protected State which means No Judgment, unless secured, has any effect against the house/homestead, and right now many people in Florida have no money. Insurance will likely not be applicable because this was an intentional act excluded under most policies. No lawyer will take such a case on a contingency UNLESS there is a reasonably decent chance of actually recovering.

So although I hate the thought of this miscreant walking, one of the posters was right. You might be better off just letting this go. If the guy is a vindictive prick, he just might use the photo against you to teach you a lesson.

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 Kevjohns
Joined: 8/9/2011
Msg: 60
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Posted: 9/6/2011 8:16:58 PM
Get fired? I am trying to rack my brain over what profession would fire a person because their boyfriend published a Nude Photo of them on the Web?????
 RandomScause
Joined: 8/16/2011
Msg: 61
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Posted: 9/6/2011 8:46:23 PM
+++++To illustrate this, say she had been in the shower with the curtain partly open, and the guy walked in and took a picture. Would the same priniciple apply, that she had no expectation of privacy because she was naked in the shower? How is being naked in bed any different? +++++

Good point. There are two things to consider: privacy, and expectations of privacy.

When in your home or in someone else's home or in a public establishment a person goes to a little room and closes the door behind, then the person is expecting to be private.

The shower thing is halfway there. If the door to the washroom is left open or unlocked, then she still can be said to expect to be private in the shower, if the shower is demarcated by at least an opaque courtain or material, and is less than see-through.

If she locks the door, she is certainly expecting to be in privacy.

If she is, however, in a position in which she is fully exposed, in any attire all the way down to being completely stark naked; and she is aware of others being able to see her in this state; and she is not doing anything to stop the process, then she is NOT expecting to be in complete privacy.

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If, however, she is forced to take off her clothes, and display to her audience her naked body unwillingly, it can be argued that she still expected privacy from the public eye, it's just she was not given the privacy she expected. This time the onlookers can be charged with voyeurism, as well as the perpetrators of this event can be charged with two plethoras of other charges: forcible confinement, bodily assault (if they touched her in the process at any time, in any part of her body), uttering a threat, etc. etc. But the important part for our illustration is that she is still EXPECTING privacy. The onlookers, whoever it happens to be, can be charged with voyeurism.

In the case of lovers, the woman is expecting her lover to see her completely stark naked body. No voyeurism charges can be laid agaisnt him. Whether he takes photos of her or not.

This vindicates him, because it is an essential point in the articled law that the person who gets her body taken a photo of, is in a state when she is NOT expecting to be seen or observed naked. The photographing is not part of the expectation, as written in the law, but the mere act of being seen is, or the knowledge that others can see her in this state, whether she knows who they are or not.

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Let's imagine that the law was worded differently, and it was worded that her consent needs to be given to be photographed.

What would this lead to?

1. In nudist colonies, no photos could be taken without consent. As we speak, there is no law against that, although the colonies themselves may have their own private by-laws regarding that.
2. A woman could not take a picture of her naked husband, without his consent.
3. In greasy, sleezie places the model would need to give his or her permission to people who photograph the model in exchange for a nominal fee.
4. Photos of public, family-type places or gatherings may have people, esp. young children in the photo, inadvertently, and not for bad purposes. Parental consent would be need for anyone to take a picture on a family gathering.
5. Photos of disasters and rescue efforts must have the consent of such victims that are naked, or exposed in genitalia. Remember, the consent must be given first, because the consent is not for publication, but for photographing.
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In the case of 1., nudist colonies, who knows, who cares.
2., is stifling, because there is need to prove in case of a court case that consent was asked and given or not given. You can prove that consent was given, if it is in written form. If consent was given verbally, with no witnesses, then that can be denied. This could lead to a lot of unnecessary litigation. (So I don't know why this is not law -- the lawyers who are Congressmen make law. Why do they limit their own money making opportunities? Mystery.)
3. If the model is to give her consent each time, she will be stalked sooner or later, she would not be able to hide or protect her real identity.
4. Stifling, like in case 2.
5. Stifling.

You see, law makers have to decide how to make laws that protect most, but do not take away too much freedom from Americans. A consent to take photos would necessarily reduce the amount of honest and fun fotographing, it would reduce the amount of news photography that otherwise supports the ideals of democracy and humanitariasm, and it would reduce the amount of money making opportunities for sleaze-parlor operators, while endangering the lives or safety of the women who work there.

I agree this law, this consent requirment, if in effect, then would save this fake woman's (the OP) fake skin in her alleged job, but it would also make life less fun and less free for all other Americans.

There is a way to show that all laws, each and every one of them, is not only inconveniencing some, but can cause big trouble to honest citizens, who are not intending to break the law. Each law has the potential that when applied, it would produce injustice.

We live in a physical world which is not perfect, and never can become perfect. Unfortunately, the world was designed by a designer God who was not very intelligent after all. Any regular House Subcommittee made up by common congressmen could design a much better world, from scratch, I am telling you, than our present good-for-nothing unintelligent, lazy, untrustworthy and inconsistent God has for us.
 cin____dy
Joined: 8/21/2011
Msg: 62
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Posted: 9/6/2011 8:51:38 PM
There are some laws on the books about video taping people in personal situations without consent, such as in restrooms and such. This would be a tough one because you would need the proof and also prove you did not consent.
The guy is a pervert and has no respect for women or boundaries. Someday I hope we can find a way to stop this legally.
 Simon4567
Joined: 10/9/2010
Msg: 63
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Posted: 9/6/2011 11:24:55 PM

After having dated this guy from POF for three months, he tells me that he took nude pictures of me while I was sleeping. but defended it as something perfectly normal.


*jaw drops*

Did the guy have a paper thin mustache, wear big glasses and dance the CREEP!?!?!
 cedar77
Joined: 7/17/2006
Msg: 64
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Posted: 9/6/2011 11:57:45 PM
How do you women end up picking these guys ?!

What a sicko !

I suggest you talk to a lawyer and tell him the situation , get legal aid if necessary or just make out a police report . Then inform your guy that you have notified the authorities and if those photos ever surface then you are going to have his sorry butt thrown in jail .

Unless you are making this all up to which case get a life .
 Greatcatch12345
Joined: 5/2/2011
Msg: 65
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Posted: 9/7/2011 12:37:58 AM
150 pounds heavier?/ that would put him at close to 300 pounds!! why u even dating this pig?/lol...
 m14shooter
Joined: 10/2/2009
Msg: 66
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Posted: 9/7/2011 12:43:11 AM

because he never had the decency to come to my house or make an appointment to meet with me so he can delete them in my presence.


Sorry to say but there really is no way to prove they are deleted even if he deletes them in your presence. The think about digital and even print film is you can make as many copies or prints as you want or write them to as many hard drives as you want. There is no way you will ever know for sure. I am a pro photographer and I have multiple drives with all my images stored in my office, my safety deposit box and at my office, I'm sure if he says he deleted them or did it in front of you they may still exist. Even with negatives they can still exist because they can be scanned to digital.
 abelian
Joined: 1/12/2008
Msg: 67
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Posted: 9/7/2011 12:56:57 AM

I filed a report with the police, it is on file and that is it.

Then you hosed yourself. The existence of the photos is now a matter of record and if you really are a public figure, all anyone has to do is run across that police report to know where to go for the photos. I really doubt the public figure story. If you were a public figure and this mattered, you would have known to seek the advice of an attorney before filing that police report.
 butterflie_1207
Joined: 2/8/2011
Msg: 68
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Posted: 9/7/2011 1:12:46 AM
I agree with M14shooter, even if he deletes them from his phone, you have no way of knowing how many copies he may have of them.

It is a violation and he had no right to do that without your consent. If you were to contact a lawyer or file a police report, he may fear prosecution, but in the long run it probably wouldn't make any real difference.
 orionids4ever
Joined: 8/14/2011
Msg: 69
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Posted: 9/7/2011 7:49:11 AM
You are thinking way too high in matters of public figure. I am not a politician. I am a nobody that would get fired if my pictures shows on the net. That is all. I am done with this now.
 MarTini0102
Joined: 6/19/2011
Msg: 70
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Posted: 9/7/2011 4:33:15 PM
k ... sleeping with some one after 3 mth ....you can not tell me that you know some one after 3 month ... that is all I have to say
 bt99340
Joined: 8/26/2008
Msg: 71
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Posted: 9/7/2011 6:44:12 PM
No one can control what another person does....Next time make sure the person you sleep with is truly a good person. If he were a good guy he would respect your request..
 mysteriosa
Joined: 5/19/2006
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Posted: 9/7/2011 6:50:18 PM
His behaviour was poor and a breach of trust, if you did not give permission for those pictures. Once he realised you weren't happy about it, he should have deleted them. It could be he just thought you were beautiful and wanted to capture pictures for himself, but he should have realised pretty quickly that you were unhappy about it and sought to put things right.

The fact that he justified himself and still wouldn't agree to delete the pictures is worrying. It isn't normal to do what he did. It is a breach of trust. I don't suppose you want to take a legal route over this but I would be tempted to write to him by email (keeping a copy) and make it clear that I wanted him to delete any pictures he took of me without my permission. In fact, I would probably tell him that what he did was illegal and he needs to resolve this issue. Whether he will or not is another matter and of course you need to consider whether you want to continue on speaking terms with him or not. If you were happy about it at the time and are only now complaining because you've split up, that would be a bit unfair. However, even so, he should respect your wishes if you ask him to delete intimate photos of you now that you are no longer together.

If he definitely took pictures of you and has refused to delete them despite your complaints, then why not report him to PoF? I don't know if they can do anything but shouldn't PoF be informed if people are using this site to meet people and then doing this kind of thing? Maybe the threat of doing so will make him think twice.
 Laha Math
Joined: 7/15/2010
Msg: 73
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Posted: 9/7/2011 7:14:32 PM
OP: I don't think you have to pay a lawyer. Call your local police station, describe what happened, and get an opinion. Then just tell the guy what he did was illegal and if he doesn't delete the photos in a way you are satisfied they are gone you will report him. What he did is most likely sexual harassment or sexual assault under today's liberal legislation in many jurisdictions.
 sexymind85
Joined: 8/10/2011
Msg: 74
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Posted: 9/7/2011 8:14:09 PM
Wow. I just got done reading through this whole thread. I'm amazed at the way some people interpret the law. You all need to take a lesson on how to read criminal code before telling her to sue over 'dissemination of voyeurism' or anything else!!!

Let's leave this poor OP alone. She already said she's done. And if she needs legal advice she can go get it from someone who knows how to read the laws.
 3xsacharmsotheysay
Joined: 8/12/2011
Msg: 75
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Posted: 9/7/2011 8:24:31 PM
Yes seek legal advice and if what your saying is true this guy needs to be reported to POF so some other woman is not taken advantage of as well!!!
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