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 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 351
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Yes..yes!! Luv the youtube video, a smarmy guy and his thoughts!! Gee I have to wonder how smarmy he would be if he was out of work? Maybe in his 99th week of unemployment, no more checks! Now he can tool on down to the local soup kitchen and see if they will serve him! Hahahahaha!!

Folks you don't get it, in fact most of you NEVER will. How about the guy, who through chicanery, double dealing and at the cost of thousands of jobs rose to the tippy top of corporate america? Do you REALLY believe that Jack Welch is sooo much smarter than you that he deserved the salary from GE he got for nuking several hundred thousand american jobs and sending them to the third world?

Do you REALLY believe, (especially if you 401K holders own GE stock) think the company should fly him around on private jets, pay for his apartment in NYC AFTER he retired?

Yeah it's great to point out that some of these kids indulge in the very products by corporations they protest. But do you really believe that executive pay should be at the level it is versus the line worker? Yeah an executive who makes 70 times what a line worker makes, is worth the dough! He doesn't own any stock, so he has no skin in the game. If the stock does sh1t, he still gets his! Hahahaha!!

Bottom line, what ended the Viet Nam war? Protests! What will change the future? Protests!! Was Congress or anyone looking at any of this sh1t before? NO, why would they? The money keeps rolling in to their campaign funds from corporations. So change nothing, this way I can live my cushy life in DC, get some free sh1t, and screw those who sent me there.

You sheeple, who are making a fair living, doing whatever you do for these folks, I get it. Why rock the boat, I mean their giving you the larger crumbs right?

I was and am, one of those greedy ba*tards who worked on wall street. I know how the game is played. It was different, we USED to support and expand businesses in america. Now we only expanded the variations on the way some people can BET! When you allow bean counters to maximize income by O/Sing jobs overseas, you put someone out of work here.

So let's see if I got this straight, you freakin idiots, are investing your money, to they can try and send your job overseas right?

Freakin dopes!!

edit to add: oh and to the peron who mentioned "who gets paid, the CEO and shareholders", think again! The CEO maybe, the board maybe, maybe even the top 10 executives in that company! The shareholders take it in the pail! For those of you with an IQ over 85, go to your website of choce, and look at returns. Check the % paid in dividends. Check the rise and fall of your stock prices.

It may work for Apple, but what about you dopes in Netfllix? This CEO is getting paid millions and he has tanked your stock price from 305 to 75, that's a 75% fall for those of you who can't add! Hahahaha!! Plus there isn't even a dividend!! Yeah this guy belongs in the hall of shame of corporate governence!

Wake up!!
 Dreamer_in_SC
Joined: 6/13/2011
Msg: 352
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Posted: 10/25/2011 11:00:07 AM

That's fine in theory. The last chart I looked at showed a tax rate of 35% for corporations. Right... but Bank of America and Exxon (I think it was Exxon, wouldn't swear to it now) paid in actuality - nothing. Zero dollars. Zilch. Who actually did get paid? The CEOs and shareholders.

What good is a tax rate, when there are so many loopholes and exclusions that the tax rate is nothing but something to use in a political campaign?


but those are not the norm. Most money does come from the corps. The next biggest group on that pie chart is the employees of those corporations though which is why i said most of the money was from them...

I mean yes i understand the money they pay their workers that those workers are then taxed on is not the same as corporate profits but when the rubber meets the road if those corporations were not here employing people that would be 2 big pieces of that tax pie gone at the same time....

Schools and non profits are basically tax exempt. The teachers unions were basically responsible in Obama getting elected.

The issue i was trying to point out is it is like shooting yourself in the foot and then complaining because there was no automatic bandage applied to the wound...

It really is like that... Shaking a fist at big bad corporations saying how dare you attempt to tell us what to do with the money you and your employees paid in taxes.

There is always bad corporations. Just like there are bad people. Just because some are bad does not mean all are bad. Corporations are just like people. They are people just like me and you or anyone. Corporations even get married just like other people (called mergers though)

They get divorced as well (corporate division split offs)

They can even have babies... (Sub corporations)

They can grow their own food (by seeding other companies to produce specific parts for something they need to survive)

They can even be sued just like any other person.

That does not mean you punish them for being smart. That does not mean you take away their choices just because you are afraid of what they are capable of. They are defiantly not the type of entity that should be alienated and shunned just because they are different. Corporations can be your best friend or your worst enemy. They can build you up or destroy.

Just like us other people out in the world they need a place to live, work, and a place to call home. Each one is capable of a little micro economy inside of itself.

They have long life spans unlike other people but still can die if they are starved long enough.
 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
Msg: 353
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Posted: 10/25/2011 11:04:20 AM

do agree with Iceman, the problem has been getting worse for years, the coupling of government and corporations, too much greed all around and any individuals that try and make a difference or suggest change are silenced pretty quickly.


pure communist BS. they think this is their moment to attack america and the corporation. they may be right, judging by the unwashed, uneducated on this board.
Dude if you were as smart as you ahem think you are , you should of learned how to quote people, see what I'm saying? second you really don't know what communism is? from what I can see, anyone that doesn't agree with you is a communist or a communist sympathizer , you remind me of the guy that continually slams his penis in a phone booth and wonders why he hurts and doesn't meet women?

Do your self a favor and take a political science course and a economic course in between watching porno or what ever you watch on the tube

Dreamer in SC, although I'm not a fan of President Obama, I disagree about him not being a business man and if he was a business man he would run the country properly, President George Walker Bush was a business man and look what mess he left behind, President Jimmy Carter too was a business man and look what happened to America and the mess he left for President Reagan .

America is in a mess because of the irresponsible policies and increase spending, didn't matter if it was President Obama or Senator John McCain running the country, you still would of had the problems, the next person in 2012 might have a bit of success but so what? if you don't fix the mess , the deficit, the economy, amend certain regulations guess what is going to happen?

Occupying Wall street is a colossal waste of time, and they litter too, they are so pissed at the corporation but they buy the things from the very corporations they are protesting against?

You want to be pissed at Bank of America, that's fine get a bunch of folks together and take your money out, do a "run on the bank" protesting isn't going to help, you think Brian Moynihan gives a rats ass? all you are doing is pissing off people by protesting and stopping traffic, and littering too. Why not protest the shareholders ? they are the ones that the boards of directors are afraid of.
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 354
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Posted: 10/25/2011 11:14:14 AM
Gawd, what is the fixation with Obama? Frankly I don't get it. He's not my favorite president, but considering the mess shrub left us in, he's not doing a bad job. You guys keep forgeting how YOU ALL marched in lock step behind him over the cliff!

"Corporations are just like people."

WOW!!!! Now that one is gonna make your nose grow! Hahahaha!

How exactly is a corporation like a person? Do they have a conscience? Do they help others? Are they responsible to anyone other than the bottom line? If they are like people, why would they cut off arms and legs and send them overseas?

"They are people just like you and me."

Hahahahaha!!! Yeah right!! That's why you lock aunt tillie, uncle milt, their kids and your kids out of the house in the dead of winter, and send their jobs to Taiwan. If your like a corporation, gawd help the person involved with you! Because that person is only as good as their last profit statement, and future earnings projections!

Corporations are only about making money, no matter what they say. That is their sole purpose.

Next!!

edit to add: "why not protest the shareholders?" Ahhh, that's EXACTLY who they are protesting! Take another look at earthpuppy's list, they represent the vast number of assets invested in stocks. Maybe not all there is, but a good start.

The individual shareholders are rare, mom or pop kettle who owns a couple of 100 shares of XYZ corp, can't stand up against the voting power of corporations who own millions of shares.

Re-edit to add: OMG!! You don't see protests in China? Of course not, they lose their jobs and starve! Or the government moves them to the farthest corner of China, to grow rice! Hahahaha!

As for the comparison to Jordan, huh? Are you soooo much happier now that they pay these dwebs skatty-eight million dollars, that your season tickets cost as much as a used car? Sorry putting a ball through a hoop, doesn't mean sh1t, when you can't get a job or feed your family!

As for these executive "skills" you mention, there are loads of people with skills as good. They just lack the opportunity to use them, the greed to kill jobs, and poison the environment (BP). As for how long their careers are, how long do you need to work if you make 6 million a year to reitre? How about Jack Welsch, he was head of GE for decades!

Again next!
 kari135
Joined: 9/1/2009
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Posted: 10/25/2011 11:24:21 AM

Schools and non profits are basically tax exempt. The teachers unions were basically responsible in Obama getting elected.

Can you blame them, what with the latest bunch of Republicans not wanting to add 3% to the millionaires' income tax, while at the same time wanting to cut teachers' pay by 20%? I know of very few teachers who can actually afford to live on just the salary they make teaching now. It will be much worse if that cut goes through - and the second jobs they'll have to take will be jobs that won't be available to the unemployed.


Just like us other people out in the world they need a place to live, work, and a place to call home. Each one is capable of a little micro economy inside of itself.

But not like other people, they don't risk homelessness, or have to live as an extended family in one house to get by. I have no problems with the extended family per se, but putting 2 or 3 or 4 families in a 2 bedroom house with one bathroom is not much of a home. There are far too many these days who don't even have so much as a closet to call their own, even if they do have a roof over their heads. Then there are the zoning issues if they get caught.

This is no longer the America I grew up in or grew up expecting.
 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
Msg: 356
protests that ended the vietnam war. and other bunk
Posted: 10/25/2011 11:28:51 AM

protests ended the vietnam war? nice cost to that one. a couple million heads on poles with pol pot. the infamous hotel 19 torture rooms. 250,000 boat people who set sail for america, thousands of whom died at sea. another quarter million "re-educated in vietcong camps, few of whom returned alive.
And this has what do with protesting on Wall street how? 6 months ago I played a blank CD at full blast. The mime next door went ballistic on me and he tried to shoot me with silencer



ceo's dont last long, are under intense pressure to produce, and have skills and talents, education and experience, and usually a track record that a line worker doesnt.
and your point is what? You know in the summer time My godson went fishing and I joined them and then they wanted fish and chips, problem was we didn't have any potatoes and the fish they caught was sunfish, do you see my point like eggs on a barbecue?


can everyone play NBA basketball? was michael jordan a great baseball player? he couldnt even break into the major leagues. i dont see these people protesting professional sports, and what players and owners and cable groups make, do you?
Seriously who cares, if you don't like what professional athletes make don't watch the sport, its simple, second what does Jordan breaking into what I presume you are talking about baseball has to do with the price of Fried Squirrel balls in the state of Kentucky? that has nothing to do with the economy or the problems on Wall Street.
 kari135
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Posted: 10/25/2011 11:34:12 AM

just who do you think is really behind the rabble rousing across the world? patriotic americans? you dont see protests in red china, or russia or even eastern europe, do you? ....................gee, i wonder why that is..........


Actually, there are protests in all of those places. The only reason you aren't seeing them is because you don't want to. Cripes, there are even protesters in the Arctic and Antarctica.

Be happy in your little fantasy life.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 358
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Posted: 10/25/2011 11:46:20 AM
As for the part that corporations should not be a part of politics...

Why shouldn't they? Most of the money comes from them.

Just for starters, corporate participation in this republic is neither envisaged nor protected by the Constitution.

Let the executives and stockholders lobby government as individual citizens with their own money. Would you like a company you work for (or, for that matter, a union you are a member of) using company money (or dues, respectively) to support a candidate you oppose? How about a foreign company calling shots in US governance?

And as OyVay pointed out, if corporations exist to serve the stockholders, why are the top management doing sooo much better financially than the stockholders (by a factor of a gazillion)? As a coworker of mine once said, "I'd be set for life even getting fired from a top management position."
 Bladesmith81801
Joined: 10/30/2010
Msg: 359
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Posted: 10/25/2011 11:47:58 AM
Kari, this right here is the money shot;

"The corporations say a tax holiday would help to create jobs, mainly by giving them money to hire and expand. But the National Bureau of Economic Research, the Congressional Research Service, and private researchers concluded that the last tax holiday, enacted in 2004, largely failed to spur investment or job growth. Companies spent most of the repatriated $300 billion on dividends and stock buybacks, enriching executives and shareholders."

In short, the corps are trying to screw the taxpayers out of paying their fair shares yet again. And this time, we KNOW we're being lied to. Let these greedy **stards have another "Tax Holiday", and they'll screw us over again.
 Dreamer_in_SC
Joined: 6/13/2011
Msg: 360
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Posted: 10/25/2011 12:07:18 PM

Companies spent most of the repatriated $300 billion on dividends and stock buybacks, enriching executives and shareholders."

In short, the corps are trying to screw the taxpayers out of paying their fair shares yet again. And this time, we KNOW we're being lied to. Let these greedy **stards have another "Tax Holiday", and they'll screw us over again.


HELLO those are taxed. It is not double taxed though. The money brought in is still taxed but only once not twice. So even if that same thing happened it would bring money into the US economy and it would still be taxed. It just would not be taxed for the corporation to bring the money in and then taxed again if it was paid into the economic system via dividends.

Executives and shareholders still pay taxes in that tax pie.

What is the real issue? The fact it is not your money? The fact you didn't earn that same amount? The fact you think those who make more money should pay more money?

Why do you make more money so you can pay your share because it is not any different than everyone having a share but not everyone is paying for their and instead of making you earn more money to cover your own share the solution is to just force others to pay the share of people not paying.
 kari135
Joined: 9/1/2009
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Posted: 10/25/2011 12:12:32 PM
Show me, here's another video you most likely won't watch. It's mostly a commentary on how OWS is helping the Tea Party, but the video within the video at the end shows a couple of cops pulling a man out of his wheelchair and body slamming him on the pavement. When some of the videos of it hit youtube, the man ine wheelchair was released - he'd been arrested, for who knows what. But nothing was done about the cops.

Ice, this is why I said way back early on in this thread that DC wouldn't be a good place for the protests to start. Do a google search on cops beating men in wheelchairs - "Preserve and Protect"? Not hardly. They also just arrested a man with cerebral palsy in an electric chair in Sacramento, I believe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntsyFHQiK78

Geez, I nearly forgot - that man who was body slammed also needed stitches to close a gash in his head.
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 362
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Posted: 10/25/2011 12:17:51 PM
(yawn) Another misnomer! Fair share of taxes?

How about when income taxes were 90% for rich people? Gee, seems a lot of people didn't think that was fair, now did they?

BUT for sh1ts and giggles, lets examine part of the problem.

"Executives and shareholders still pay taxes in that tax pie"

Well gawd damn, now ain't that a statement!! As long as I adhere to the IRS code and hold stocks and bonds, receive dividends, I pay 20%, in some cases LESS! If you as a regular earner lose money on something, IT'S GONE!! If "I" lose money on stocks, I get to claim the loss on my return.

So I can make 200K and pay LESS than 20%, my assistant pays 39% from her salary!!

You guys crack me up!! You don't even compare apples and oranges, you compare lemons and water melons! Hahahahahaha! So some poor schleb pays twice the rate I pay for 25% of the income.

Some of you wouldn't recognize fair if it bit you in the nether regions!

edit to add: Oh and this "tax holiday" BS, is just that! Use the money to create jobs! Hahahaha! Get over yourselves. You guys at least have to make this challenging! How about the nearly 3 TRILLION dollars American corporations are sitting on in retained earning?

So let's see if I can help you out bunky!!

We give them a tax holiday, they bring the money to the good ol USA! They then bump up their corporate earnings, the stock rises(for a time), then the executives claim they got the better earnings due to their estute management, give themselves 500,000 shares in options, a bonus, and an increase in exeuctive pay. Then they hire 200 people for 500 million or a billion in income they bring back to this country!

As I said, you guys either don't understand the game or lack the understanding of how it's played.
 want to travel
Joined: 7/29/2006
Msg: 363
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Posted: 10/25/2011 12:18:26 PM
The truth is that our, and I mean the global economy is breaking apart
It is unsustainable, in the developed world our countries and selves are in so much debt that there is no way out for any of us (there are 'foolish people that think if they have a space saver micro they are rich lol)
the national debt, is OUR debt!! add that to your own debt and the lack of job securuty and poof, you will have to agree with me
the question of capitalism has nothing to do with the current world problem, we do not have capitalism if failed businesses , are bailed out, the first basic principal of capitalism is weak businesses fail, sink or swim!
we do not have that system anymore, tax payers foot the bill for the bail outs
so we need a new system! the current one has proven to simply not work
 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
Msg: 364
protests that ended the vietnam war. and other bunk
Posted: 10/25/2011 12:24:27 PM
Kari, no disrespect but I'm betting if you poll 2 million folks in your State, I bet the majority couldn't tell you where Sacramento is ? but I see what you're saying.

The reason why I say Washington is because its a bigger stage most cops will be on their best behavior, a protest beating in Sacramento may or may not make the news , even in someone is living in rural Saskatchewan sees the march on Washington as important.

Plus now a days the if there is any violence in Washington, the police Chief will have to answer to congress, which I cannot figure out why Washington DC is the only city in the US of A that has their budget and municipal affairs handled by Congress? No other Major American city falls under Congress.
 swingarm1966
Joined: 3/27/2011
Msg: 365
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Posted: 10/25/2011 12:24:54 PM
The only real issue is montary reform (bring an end to the private central banking cartels) and to bring an end to corporate personhood. They have all the traits of a psychopath.A corporation was falsely given personhood by the Supreme Court .

Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Clara_County_v._Southern_Pacific_Railroad

It is not a person but it is run by persons. If the ethical standards of those at the top fail to maintain a certain level of social responsibility, the result is the insidious onset of corporate psychopathic behavior. A few get very rich and the others wake up one day to find themselves abandoned by the institution they trusted. We now have to take into account the corporation as a psychopathic entity outfitting all prior attempts on the part of governmental regulating agencies to control its behavior. A government bending to corporate power adds to the problem by weakening regulatory controls, In his book "The Corporation", Joel Bakan offers a thorough account of corporate psychopathy, Thom Hartman also discusses corporate personhood and the Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad in detail in his book Unequal Protection. Very good reads if your interested.

And finally we have been made into corporate persons ourselves with our legal fiction capitalized name that was created at birth by the bankers through the law society. Do some research google legal fiction, strawman debtor those three will give you lots of info on the subject.

Dean Clifford - 2 (part 2 of 4) - The Name, The Trust, Your Role In Court
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdDFzZ9xjjc
 SteelCity1981
Joined: 8/16/2005
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Posted: 10/25/2011 12:29:57 PM
What does former KKK member David Duke and the far Left have in common?

Link

http://www.breitbart.tv/david-duke-endorses-occupywallstreet/
 Lint Spotter
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Posted: 10/25/2011 12:39:15 PM

Yes..yes!! Luv the youtube video, a smarmy guy and his thoughts!! Gee I have to wonder how smarmy he would be if he was out of work? Maybe in his 99th week of unemployment, no more checks! Now he can tool on down to the local soup kitchen and see if they will serve him! Hahahahaha!!
Why, is this the position you are in? 99 weeks unemployed? I can't even imagine... then again, unlike some people, I have never turned my nose up at employment.

Folks you don't get it, in fact most of you NEVER will. How about the guy, who through chicanery, double dealing and at the cost of thousands of jobs rose to the tippy top of corporate america? Do you REALLY believe that Jack Welch is sooo much smarter than you that he deserved the salary from GE he got for nuking several hundred thousand american jobs and sending them to the third world?

Do you REALLY believe, (especially if you 401K holders own GE stock) think the company should fly him around on private jets, pay for his apartment in NYC AFTER he retired?
I believe that certain jobs hold certain perks for the employees. I get perks in my job that people look at and are envious of... so for those that get these jobs that have those perks, I applaud them.

I also believe that the men that own the company I work for deserve to get the lion's share of the profits from the work I do... they're the ones that took the chance and risked capital, so they should get the biggest reward.

You sheeple, who are making a fair living, doing whatever you do for these folks, I get it. Why rock the boat, I mean their giving you the larger crumbs right?
Blah, blah, blah... sounds like just another disgruntled person with too much time on their hands and the green monster of envy on their shoulder.

Bottom line is, if you don't like the way things are run, by all means do your best to change it... just don't mislabel me a sheeple because I'm following my own opinion and not yours. I'll stand by the status quo and cheer for capitalism... after all, it's not spending my day protesting big business that is going to pay my heating bill and vacations, it's working for big business.

Work... look it up, a foreign concept to many of you, but a lucrative one if you have what it takes to rise in the ranks. Or you can sit and protest while counting the weeks... 99 is it?
 Dreamer_in_SC
Joined: 6/13/2011
Msg: 368
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Posted: 10/25/2011 12:47:45 PM

Plus now a days the if there is any violence in Washington, the police Chief will have to answer to congress, which I cannot figure out why Washington DC is the only city in the US of A that has their budget and municipal affairs handled by Congress? No other Major American city falls under Congress.


DC isn't a state and it is not in a state. It is District of Columbia.
 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
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Posted: 10/25/2011 12:52:38 PM
Dreamer I said the City of Washington and If im not mistaken( I could be) the district of columbia too.
 SteelCity1981
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Posted: 10/25/2011 12:55:00 PM

WOW!! Generalize much


What's there to generalize the link says it all. Well if you want to be associated with a former KKK members veiws then more power to you...
 kari135
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Posted: 10/25/2011 12:55:34 PM

Kari, no disrespect but I'm betting if you poll 2 million folks in your State, I bet the majority couldn't tell you where Sacramento is ? but I see what you're saying.

The reason why I say Washington is because its a bigger stage most cops will be on their best behavior, a protest beating in Sacramento may or may not make the news , even in someone is living in rural Saskatchewan sees the march on Washington as important.

Plus now a days the if there is any violence in Washington, the police Chief will have to answer to congress, which I cannot figure out why Washington DC is the only city in the US of A that has their budget and municipal affairs handled by Congress? No other Major American city falls under Congress.

Anyone with the least bit of education knows Sacramento - it's the capital of California.

And if you do that google search, the majority of videos of cops beating men in wheelchairs have taken place in DC. Maybe I should have explained more fully.

DC falls under Congress because it's not in any state, it's a separate legal entity. There are also some other cities in other states that are designated Ports of Entry, and while they are somewhat different, they still come under the state's laws. I can think of one right now that's more of a bankrupt ghost town than anything, even though it does still have plenty of amenities - it just doesn't have much in the way of residents.
 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
Msg: 372
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Posted: 10/25/2011 1:04:09 PM
Kari, I didn't know Sacramento is the capital of California, how would I know that ?I live in Canada now how many folks in Arizona knows that? hmmmmmmm

Perhaps you may be right on the beating in DC, but still Washington is a world stage compared to Sacramento and no disrespect to the folks in Sacramento
 swingarm1966
Joined: 3/27/2011
Msg: 373
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Posted: 10/25/2011 1:19:34 PM
Empire Of The City: D.C., London, Vatican City
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5L_x6RHE4s
 kari135
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Posted: 10/25/2011 1:23:37 PM

Kari, I didn't know Sacramento is the capital of California, how would I know that ?I live in Canada now how many folks in Arizona knows that? hmmmmmmm

Perhaps you may be right on the beating in DC, but still Washington is a world stage compared to Sacramento and no disrespect to the folks in Sacramento

Since you live in Canada, I wouldn't expect you to know any of the geographic or political details of the US.

However, unless things have changed radically in the US educational system, every student is expected to study every state - their own in great detail, the others in lesser detail, but still more than enough to know the state capitals. When I was in grade school we had to memorize all of them, although there were only 48 then (that was before Alaska and Hawaii got statehood). Sacramento is also a world stage of a sort, since that's where Silicon Valley is, with all the computer related millionaires, and Hollywood, and currently the biggest mishmash of illegal aliens anyone could possibly think of. It's going bankrupt because of all the benefits .... well, that's completely off topic, I won't go there.
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 375
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Posted: 10/25/2011 1:31:28 PM
OK folks here is something to chew on in terms of actual numbers!

In 1980 the average median income for employees was somewhere between 14,000 and 20,000 dollars. The average median pay for fortune 500 CEO's was 1,364, 524 dollars.

So in 2010 the average median income for employees was 41, 673 dollars. The average median pay for fortune 500 CEO's was 11,400,000 dollars!

So let's get this straight, never mind the TOTALITY of the disparity, but just simply the percentage, the CEO is now worth 10 times what he was in 1980, and the worker, is only worth twice.

Now with layoffs so many complain about having to do double the work for the same money. I still don't think the CEO is working twice as hard!

Again though, and here is the key to the problem. This isn't the CEO compensation package, it's just his PAY! Now pile on stock options, bonuses, private jets, perks and expense accounts, and you have some REAL disparity!

I'm sure all of you working for companies get stock options, perks(aside from coffee), plane rides(no 1st class for you, economy), bonuses(yeah maybe a few bucks or a fruit basket at christmas)! Hahahahaha!!

But don't let the facts stop you, don't let these CEO's sh1t on your head, open your mouth! Hahahahahaha!!!

Once again for the impaired, use your head, stop the madness!

edit to add:

"the experiment of freedom"

OMG!! Pal you get worse and worse, your not free, you'll NEVER be free.

Your either a slave to a class of people, or you totally don't have a clue. Our fore fathers who founded this great country OWNED slaves! Does that sound like freedom to you?

We addressed that with the civil war. Do you not believe when your BIG boss makes "271" TIMES what you do, you are free and his equal?

I get that the best should make more, even an astonomical amount, but he should be happy with a couple of million, not the moon, stars and sun.
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