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 totalazzhole
Joined: 3/27/2011
Msg: 401
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@ mjyawn67:
In a socialist economy they wait for the government to hand it to them because they are entitled to it.


Or, pretty much the way TRADE UNIONS think & operate, right, mjyawn67?
 cap_n_mORGAN
Joined: 7/3/2009
Msg: 402
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Posted: 10/26/2011 10:20:47 AM

Or, pretty much the way TRADE UNIONS think & operate, right, mjyawn67?


It is plain to see that you have no idea how a union works.

We spend many hours in training to increase our knowledge and skill of our trades.

We know it is each person that has to be responsible for themselves.

The union simply gives us the power to demand the pay a person that has the documented skills deserves.

Not everyone drinks the kool-aid of the hi-Archy of the unions.

I am not union because I expect the union to take care of me.

I work union because I can get better pay for the same job with a union......can't get more capitalistic than that.
 Lint Spotter
Joined: 8/27/2009
Msg: 403
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Posted: 10/26/2011 10:51:48 AM

Dane versus deign? REALLY? All the information posted, not only by me, but by others as well. This is what you focused on? Funny, someone said never argue with conservatives, they never let facts get in the way of their beliefs! Yes you're indeed right, although it's evident who failed!
I cited my opinion on this topic and no amount of regurgitation is going to change your mind nor is it my intent to alter your way of thinking. Conversely, no amount of your spouting to me will alter my opinion.

It did however strike me as incredibly amusing that your attempt to belittle others failed as I stated in my earlier post.


kidding I know suite, but couldn't resist, needed to give one poster something to correct
Oh, there's no way I could correct all your grammar or spelling errors... I already have a full time job.

As for the topic of unions... I see them as nothing but organized slackers protecting each other like some 'boy's club'. The local union up here thought it had power, over a year on strike, and they ended up accepting an offer that was very, very similar to what the company originally put on the table. Guess the age of the union bullies is coming to an end as well...
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 404
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Posted: 10/26/2011 10:52:41 AM

Instead of being jealous of the ones making mega bucks and wanting them to share the wealth........Why not go work harder and make it for yourself?

No, it's not a question of jealousy, guys. That is a lazy and dismissive argument to make. Sadly, that means it will probably continue to be utilized repeatedly. For example, if Bernie Madoff were acquitted of his crimes, would the natural emotion in response be jealousy? "Gee, I sure wish I could obtain massive wealth by screwing over others and get away with it clean."

No, it is a matter of accountability, greater transparency, ensuring a level playing field economically, and not treating the global economy like a giant casino and gambling with imaginary money (and I'm talking legally).
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 405
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Posted: 10/26/2011 11:32:13 AM
"I cited my opinion on this topic and no amount of regurgitation is going to change your mind nor is it my intent to alter your way of thinking. Conversely, no amount of your spouting will alter my opinion."

Gotta love that! Like I said, why let facts stand in the way of a belief? Right? That's always the funny part about conservatives, they will embrace their flat earth beliefs, no matter the evidence. But let's come back to that, shall we.

"It did however strike me as incredibly amusing that your attempt to belittle others failed as I stated in my eariler post"

Hmmmm, let me think on that a bit.

"Oh, there's no way I could correct all your grammar or spelling errors... I already have a full time job."

Hmmmm again, seems we have a pot/kettle situation here! But as they say... whateva!

Funny, isn't it? I mean the conservatives always seem to want to return to the way things were. What strikes me most funny, is the ones on here are not the CEO's, and boards arguing, it's the very people who might need the help or protection from these very people.

I will admit that my passion sometimes gets the best of me. That when I read something so wrong I want to scream! Then I go and express an opinion, maybe too harshly. I am human after all, I have admitted my faults. My desire is solely to have people see the the discussion, the wrong in what is going on. To open minds, so they get a chance to see what this issue is all about.

Getting back to the flat earth conservatives, I use that phrase, because they NEVER wish to embrace change, or progress, or see the wrong in things. This is where we need to give them a time machine, so they can correct all these wrongs that have been committed through the ages!

"Hey Columbus, turn the ships around, the earth is flat and I don't want to sail off the edge!" or "Hey Abe, WTH are you talking about? I should be able to own people! Stop this war immediately." or "Hey lady, forget owning a house or business. Vote? Your a woman, women don't vote, they stay in the kitchen barefoot and pregnant" Or "Hey Jimmy, forget organizing the drivers, so they work 7 days a week, have no health insurance, work 14 hours a day, for a set pay, their getting all they deserve!"

Now that last one, despite the abuses it conjured in subsequent times and maybe turned ultimately bad, was still founded on a good principal. The union may have gone wrong, because the men running it were greedy. That alone doesn't change the fact that the working conditions were deplorable. Ask the ghosts of the women from the Manhattan Shirt Company if they needed a union? Worked for a pittance for 16 hours a day, 7 days a week, then locked in a building to burn.

Oh and before I hear that "I live in Canada" thing, this thread is about "Occupy Wall Street" not occupy moose street! Slavery for both race and gender existed here in the good old USA. When as a group we don't try to right wrongs, the ones we hurt are ourselves. Now that statement is NOT designed to insult the people of Canada, just a way of focusing on the issue here in this country. You can use your own laws, to eliminate this issue in your country. It merely pointed out how blacks and women were treated within the borders of the USA>

From memory, may not be exactly right, but you will get the idea:

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing." Edmond Burke.
 cap_n_mORGAN
Joined: 7/3/2009
Msg: 406
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Posted: 10/26/2011 12:26:19 PM

As for the topic of unions... I see them as nothing but organized slackers protecting each other like some 'boy's club'. The local union up here thought it had power, over a year on strike, and they ended up accepting an offer that was very, very similar to what the company originally put on the table. Guess the age of the union bullies is coming to an end as well...


Which is why I don't drink the KOOL-AID!

The unions should be there to protect the workers safety and to be sure the workers receive a FAIR wage.

Not to extract more money than is warranted. Not to break a company just because they can that is counter productive.


No, it's not a question of jealousy, guys. That is a lazy and dismissive argument to make. Sadly, that means it will probably continue to be utilized repeatedly. For example, if Bernie Madoff were acquitted of his crimes, would the natural emotion in response be jealousy? "Gee, I sure wish I could obtain massive wealth by screwing over others and get away with it clean."


I am not talking about the ones that are thieves, I am talking of the ones that earn their money legally.

The system has laws that punish the thieves Madoff is a great example. He was caught and punished.


No, it is a matter of accountability, greater transparency, ensuring a level playing field economically, and not treating the global economy like a giant casino and gambling with imaginary money (and I'm talking legally).


Accountability has to come on a personal level. The laws are there to protect against injustices but as long a a person or persons are willing to break the laws there will be the chance of being taken advantage of.

No amount of leveling the playing field will help. That will just allow others to be in a position to be the ones stealing.

Again being personally responsible is the best way to guard against being a victim.

Do the laws that govern wall street need to be changed? Maybe.......should the ones at the top have to be subject to earning caps......NO WAY..........A person should be able to make as much money as they decide to and can negotiate for.

If all the money in the world was piled up and distributed equally within six months there would again be the rich and the poor.

A person has to want wealth not riches......Wealth is being able to attain money in legal ways and able to retain money......Riches can come from any way to get money legal or not.

Most lottery winners are in worse shape a few years after they win millions than they were before the winnings.

Bottom line a person has to have the self control to manage money/wealth.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 407
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Posted: 10/26/2011 12:55:33 PM

I am not talking about the ones that are thieves...

I realize that, but that wasn't my point. It is about the accusations of jealousy. Let me relate my point through a story:

I was flying with a really senior captain in the company. He was making a decent living, gainfully employed in his career of choice, he was well read, and he liked talking about national and global issues. He would also complain about the huge executive level compensation packages and the golden parachutes. He would say, "Heck, if a guy even gets fired from an executive level position, he's set for life."

I finally interjected, "Sounds like you are in the wrong career track, then."
Without skipping a beat, he replied, "No, I have a conscience." I couldn't help but laugh.

So, to reiterate, it isn't "the green monster of envy." I, for one, don't wish I could lay people off and then vote my cohorts in a pay raise.
 BalderDog2
Joined: 1/6/2011
Msg: 408
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Posted: 10/26/2011 2:07:06 PM

I've been to a few Tea Party rallies, and there were no overflowing toilets, there wasn't trash all around, everybody was polite. You might have not liked what they were saying, but at least they were civil.


Yup. Nice civil bunch, those Tea Party folks:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ik4f1dRbP8


the portable toilets that were overflowing. Funny, how they didn't seem to mind it at all, perhaps they are in a better place than they came from................


Really, they didn't mind the stench? In fact, you seem to be implying that they rather liked the stench--that the stench was better than the what their own homes might smell like. So really, what you are implying is that they are a bunch of pigs. You don't have any evidence of this, of course; but that won't stop you from coming onto a public forum and saying so.

I've noticed you do this a lot--just come on here, make things up, and talk this kind of nonsense.
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 409
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Posted: 10/26/2011 2:09:49 PM
OK so let me tie some of this in bundle for some of you.

"Most lottery winners are in worse shape a few years after they win millions"

First can we tie this with other issues? As one of my least favorite people would say, you betcha!!

The problem with most lottery winners, not unlike another group of people named in this thread, professional athletes, is lack of knowledge, the wrong people around them, and the embracing of their past.

Pro athletes are great at TD's, or puttin it in the hoop, or their one-two punch, but they know sh1t, about managing money! Same with average guy who wins the lottery. Now I'd bet dollars to donuts, most of us discussing this issue, invest more than $5 a month playing the lottery. Oh yeah, when the prize reaches 100 million, while we're buying our morning coffee or newspaper, we might plunk down a couple of bucks, but I doubt many of us invest the 20 or $50 bucks a week, many poorer people do!

Since there is no actual way of predicting lottery results, it's obvious the more you play, the more likely you will win. Not meaning the odds change, just meaning the number of players, will be more likely to win. So if smart people invest 50,000, then a group of poorer folks playing 5 million, one of them are more likely to be selected.

My point is wayyyyy back in the olden days conservatives longed for, we had school classes like home economics and wood shop. Never have most school boards prepared those with less for what is the norm in society. In no schools do they teach classes about credit cards, interest on them, balancing a check book, how health insurance works, loans, mortgages, etc.

Now I ain't talkin stock options, spreads, straddles, indexs, futures on indexes, ETF's or anything sophisticated, just ordinary every day money issues a family will encounter. Let's face it, "those people" who went to school, got less than average grades, took basic classes, became a line worker, a janitor, a minimum wage worker, didn't take economics, or advanced economics, or attend college. That "fact" maybe lost on some of you.

They merely got their high school diploma, or GED and went into the world and got a job. One day, they had saved a few bucks and heard an advertisement for a home, with "no money down, no credit check and a monthly payment the same as their rent" do you really blame them for their lack of knowledge?

The real estate broker works for the seller, that's where their fiduciary responsibility lies. The mortgage broker is responsible to NO ONE! He has no license, takes no test, has zero responsibility to anyone, as long as he delivers a signed, notarized note to his lender!

Same with athletes, they get crazy ideas, open a club or restaurant without knowing the business. They buy 200K cars, bling and burn through money faster than a teenage girl in the mall. I mean what...there's always gonna be another season right? I can save a few bucks next year..right? These guys trust their friends more than some college puke telling them to reign in their spending.

Look at the long list of athletes who are bankrupt, compare it with the ones who leave rich. You know the guys with the 156 Wendy restaurants, the Jordan's, the Sugar Ray Leonards, the ones with brains and more than an ability to make baskets, tackles and throw punches.

It always amazes me that some people can see to get out of the way of a blind man walking down the street, but can't understand the limitations of somebody without financial savy, or limited knowledge.

As to Paul K's point, by all means, one of the pillars of the RE collapse is the 5% down mortgage, or far worse, the "no doc" mortgage, that was allowed to done in my country. Numbers and rules vary, BUT the elimination of anything but 20% down and hard evidence of assets and income would have all but eliminated some of the problem.

An additional point was the ads on TV, "why live without it?, come on in and get a second, or third mortgage or a home equity loan and buy that boat, car or whatever"

People were encouraged to look upon their houses as ATM's. Live beyond their means, the bill will come much later, don't worry. Things always ebb and flow, that none of these people thought housing prices go down as well, seems absurd. But in most of their life time, that is exactly what had happened.

So before we go, casting our gaze at "these people", remember it was the ads on TV, newspapers and radio that brought them in the door, to sell them a product they had no concept of how it worked. Funny huh? The real estate broker made theirs, the mortgage broker made theirs, the bank made theirs, the trader who sold the CDO or MBO made theirs, the rating agencies made theirs. Now their all standing around whistling dixie looking up at sky with dollars in their pockets "saying who me?" While this poor sleb, who got clobbered is looking around wondering what happened!

edit to add: WOW!! Missed Paul K's second post, now before that thought he was reasonable.
So North Korea probably has less regulation. Yeah your probably right! Gee since the people have no money, must kiss Jong Il's azz, I guess they don't need it? Gawd I wonder what would be your opinion if you were born there? Hahahaha

"I did go and wander" tell us was this akin to a visit to the zoo? See all the animals?

"I've been to a few Tea Party rallies"

Yeah...I just bet you have! I guess the Koch brothers make sure the toilets are changed out, they can afford it!
 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
Msg: 410
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Posted: 10/26/2011 2:10:26 PM
I don't get the Kool Aid reference ? must be an American joke , I for one don't want to see more regulations to the financial industry, we need regulations that enforces Transparency that is for sure, we need to amend some of the well intended regulations so these guys can or their lawyers cant put a spin on it or get around it

I don't want to see regulations that limits CEO's pay, that was a Bad move on President Obama part, because when these guys step down and you need to find new talent, who is going to work for a American Institution with their pay limited? all the talent will be going else where and over seas.

They need to get rid of compensation that is stock based incentives yes, nothing with stock options but how it works isn't good and its been proven it invites schisms ( I think that the correct spelling) Compensation based on increasing shareholders value, company value and a good bottom line is fine If a CEO does his job, increases value he or she deserves to make a ton of money.

Lots of regulations exists today but most of it is crap and has led to this crises, you can blame greed and greedy corporations all you want , but the majority of them are following the rules set out in the regulations, those that didn't , well we know what happened to them eg, Enrons, World coms etc.

Anyways its your right to protest all we ask is pick up the friggen garbage after , would it kill you leave the place how you found it?
 Dreamer_in_SC
Joined: 6/13/2011
Msg: 411
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Posted: 10/26/2011 2:42:02 PM
here is a neat trick...

you type [ q u o t e ] your copied text then [ / q u o t e ] take the spaces out to make it work

It is really neat because the next time you reply you can look to the right above all the little dancing characters and the instructions are listed over there -------------->
 kari135
Joined: 9/1/2009
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Posted: 10/26/2011 2:52:58 PM

Edit: What the heck happened to the sweatshop thread? Maybe Paul is right about freedoms being taken away.

Didn't you know? I'm the Black Dahlia or something of threads. For quite awhile every thread I made a comment in vanished, no matter how old it was.

I'm kind of surprised this one is still chugging along.
 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
Msg: 413
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Posted: 10/26/2011 3:05:10 PM

I work union because I can get better pay for the same job with a union......can't get more capitalistic than that.-mjyawn
Unions has nothing to with Capitalism , Unions pfftt, they were good in the beginning but they've outlived their purpose, today most unions are evil, when something so dark,so sinister, so evil that it cannot be contained in hell and it has to manifest its self as a union on Earth its time to get the silver bullet and destroy it.

Something is wrong with a system when a Autoworker earns more than a teacher, Firefighter, Police/law enforcement, paramedic heck even the Average Airline pilot, that tells me something is wrong.

Sure you get your benefits ,but so what is your life any better? is this the reason why the unions wants to march with the protesters on Wall Street?
 trinity818
Joined: 9/1/2006
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Posted: 10/26/2011 3:18:09 PM

Must have been those dang liberals who voted to have it deleted. We all know conservatives wouldn't because they are for freedom and all that.


Nah. There is a very short window for user voted deletions. Nothing gets voted off in the Off Topic and Political categories. Posters love those heated topics. The mods will delete any thread that is beyond "cleaning". Once the posts get too inflammatory, or too far off topic, which happens waaaay too often, say bye bye to your favorite thread.
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 415
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Posted: 10/26/2011 3:18:52 PM
Careful there Ice, your last 2 posts, sounded dangerously close to softening!! LOL

My own view on unions is many faceted. I can never understand how the USW, UAW and other trade unions validate pay for some jobs. Some pay the guy $19 an hour for sweeping up! Now how is that justified. No different that the BORT, with the railroads, workdays established years ago, a days work was equivelant to 100 miles. Newer trains can do much more than that. If we had a bullet train, that would mean 4 days pay for one hours work!

Now when we come to pilots, I have a slightly different take. The airlines have squeezed the pilots down. No or next to no pension, salaries at some airlines without unions are down to 30K a year. Sorry, when someone has my life in their hands at 25,000 feet, I'm really not comfortable with profit margins or less is more conceptual thinking!

As for teachers, my problem is a union keeping employed a teacher who is disturbed or lacks the ability to do the job, based on burnout or a personal issue.

As with all things though, their elimination will lead some greedy corporations(and we know they exist, I think we all can agree on that) to take us back in time, to sweatshops.
 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
Msg: 416
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Posted: 10/26/2011 3:25:31 PM
LOL no no no OyVay, I hate unions, they are evil and a waste of time, Labour unions In my opinion another cartel that should be destroyed ,I consider Labour unions and lawyers the biggest parasites to our society. Funny how the two are always together.

OyVay, yeah there are greedy corporations actually correction there are greedy maladjusted Jag off CEO's and their management team running these corporation, where money is their GOD and they don't care about anything but them selves but if you look deep down inside they are usually in Bed with the government such as Some of the Morons on Wall Street.

A corporation by its self isn't greedy, its like the argument of guns, guns dont kill people its some people with guns that do
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 417
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Posted: 10/26/2011 3:53:21 PM
A corporation by its self isn't greedy...

A corporation's sole purpose is to make a profit, so I'm going to have to disagree with you there. In fact, it is legally obliged to make a profit for its stockholders. That's fine as far as it goes, I just don't think that corporations should have such a big say in how they are regulated (fox guarding the henhouse) or such a big say in the leadership of the nation.

Edit: bolding added for clarity \/\/\/
 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
Msg: 418
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Posted: 10/26/2011 3:58:13 PM
So what is wrong with a corporation making profit,that is corporations does its makes money for the shareholders if its a public company, and profit for the private owned company

And its facilitated by the Management/ownership group, hopefully not idiots , bozo or corrupt
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 419
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Posted: 10/26/2011 4:28:37 PM
OMG!! We are making progress! I hate lawyers as well!! They seem to live off the misery of others, no matter what!

"what is wrong with a corporation making a profit"

Absolutely nothing!!!

Again as the other poster said, that is EXACTLY what a corporation's purpose is! It is at the very core of what I trade on.

The problem is when the accountants, lawyers and CEO's make decisions based on profit, to the expense of others.

Immediately BP and the oil spill, Ford and the exploding Pinto, GE and the PCP pollution spring to mind. Ford should have pulled those cars from the market, or admitted wrong doing. Instead they used actuarial tables to figure out what the loss of human life would cost versus the recall. So in essence they decided what someone's life was worth, knowing full well, they were going to kill so many people.

Or BP, hurrying the drilling, using concrete that was less than adequate, using less safety than was needed. Why? Because the ship they were using to drill cost $250,000 a day! So they decided to roll the bones, hey what's the worst that can happen, a few million barrells in the gulf?

Or GE closing those plants, moving the jos overseas, because they might have costs higher than they could get here? Then dragging their feet after polluting the mfg site, so they didn't have to pay in "today's dollars" but in a future inflated dollar, allowing them to use the capital elsewhere and make a buck BEFORE paying for it now.

Decisions like these are made every day by many companies. If these were individuals, they would have been jailed for years, but because they are NOT REAL PEOPLE, they get away with a slap on the wrist and a fine. At some point, people and their needs, need to be viewed as more important, than a few extra bucks.
 Lint Spotter
Joined: 8/27/2009
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Posted: 10/26/2011 5:02:10 PM

Unions just want to give their members a better life.
Really? Please tell me how this union leader's actions were trying to give his members a better life?

http://www.northernlife.ca/news/localNews/2010/08/veinot-vp-040810.aspx
 cap_n_mORGAN
Joined: 7/3/2009
Msg: 421
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Posted: 10/26/2011 5:49:17 PM

Something is wrong with a system when a Autoworker earns more than a teacher, Firefighter, Police/law enforcement, paramedic heck even the Average Airline pilot, that tells me something is wrong.

Sure you get your benefits ,but so what is your life any better? is this the reason why the unions wants to march with the protesters on Wall Street?


The auto worker is just as important as the pilot. The pilot is charged with getting the passengers safely to their destination......The auto worker is charged with building a safe car that does the same.

Are you saying it is not important to have highly trained workers building cars?

As far as the KOOL-AID reference....Years ago a religious wingnut named Jim Jones gave poisoned kool-aid to his followers they drank it w/o question just off his word.

The point is I don't believe just anyone and even the ones I do trust I still verify their info from time to time.

As the greatest President of modern times said "Trust but verify."


Have the unions over stepped their bounds? Of course as I stated they should be to look after the safety of the workers and to be sure a FAIR wage is paid.....Not an exorbitant one.

The the one that insist that CEO's live to lay off people and then give themselves raises afterwards......Have you given any thought to the fact that if the workers were making the company money in the first place their jobs would not be on the chopping block?

I have ran two business' and sold them I have hired and fired many people......Never have I fired a worker that was making me money as a matter of fact I always gave extra to the one that made sure the job was done ......I have fired some that wasn't making the company (me) money.

No company owes a slacker a living, if they are not productive they should be fired.
 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
Msg: 422
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Posted: 10/26/2011 6:01:18 PM

The auto worker is just as important as the pilot. The pilot is charged with getting the passengers safely to their destination......The auto worker is charged with building a safe car that does the same.

Are you saying it is not important to have highly trained workers building cars?
first thing are you kidding me? a auto worker is as important as a pilot? do you see many auto workers that can fly a plane? second most of the auto plants are automated and a assembly line, any body can do that job, you can train a monkey to do a autoworkers job.

Since you owned two businesses did the employees have a union? and you think a company can fire a union worker if he or she is a slacker? I beg to differ pal.
 cap_n_mORGAN
Joined: 7/3/2009
Msg: 423
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Posted: 10/26/2011 6:20:30 PM

first thing are you kidding me? a auto worker is as important as a pilot? do you see many auto workers that can fly a plane? second most of the auto plants are automated and a assembly line, any body can do that job, you can train a monkey to do a autoworkers job.

Since you owned two businesses did the employees have a union? and you think a company can fire a union worker if he or she is a slacker? I beg to differ pal.


No monkey can do that job, while the factories may be automated the ability to see a problem with a product is still a job only a human can do.

I build scaffolds in nuclear plants......I dangle over open reactors for a living......We can NOT make a mistake.....Like dropping things while building over a reactor.

I have had many hours of training to do this job.

Would you want a monkey doing my job?

Knowing if the monkey or I drop a clamp while over a reactor it could cause a nuclear meltdown? That could kill thousands.

As far as firing people someone here needs to make up their minds some seem to think CEO's live to do nothing else and some think no union worker can be fired.

I have seen more than one fired and for many different reasons.

So I respectfully disagree with your statements about a union worker not being being able to be fired.
 Earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 424
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Posted: 10/26/2011 6:31:12 PM
I work in the trades and have had for much of the transition when Unions really saved lives and made every day safer than decades past. 50 years have changed much betweeen unskilled and skilled work. In some instances, things have become far safer, but on the other hand, the "more skilled" trades have become more dangerous because of complacency, privilege, and many other factors. We don't have no stinkin auto-pilot..Do you wanna double size your life preserver?

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/video?id=8337828

The violence in these protests seems to be increasingly coming from the militarized police forces that we have re-enforced the seige mentality of with more weaponry, armament, stress of low pay, lack of proper forces and training, and burnout from abuse by the 1% who set policy and pay. The Police are being paid and programmed like many in these nations, to act against their own self interests.

The reports just in today, show that we must just eat cake and be happy with the fecal smell and taste of it.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/10/income-inequality-america
 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
Msg: 425
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Posted: 10/26/2011 7:11:41 PM

No monkey can do that job, while the factories may be automated the ability to see a problem with a product is still a job only a human can do.
If you say so, doesn't justify why they earn over $40.00 per hour or what ever they make


I build scaffolds in nuclear plants......I dangle over open reactors for a living......We can NOT make a mistake.....Like dropping things while building over a reactor.

I have had many hours of training to do this job.

Would you want a monkey doing my job?
and that has to do with the Automotive sector how? I also make a mean mango chicken, I don't see Gordon Ramsay hiring me anytime soon to cook in one his restaurants


Knowing if the monkey or I drop a clamp while over a reactor it could cause a nuclear meltdown? That could kill thousands.
Nuclear Plants vs Automotive plant? hmmmm
You know I was a former quarterback, do you think I could coach a Baseball team?


So I respectfully disagree with your statements about a union worker not being being able to be fired.
You can disagree all you want , but when was the last time you've heard a union worker at a automotive place being fired? Im not talking let go or downsized
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