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Joined: 1/31/2009
Msg: 476
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In the U.S., no one's freedom of speech is absolute. Government usually can't restrict political speech because of its content. But it can and does restrict the time, place, and manner of conducting public demonstrations.

I want these people to stay, though. The more rope they're given to hang themselves, the better. And I hope Mr. Obama will support them much more than he has so far. No self-respecting redistributionist should turn his back on the proletariat.
 cap_n_mORGAN
Joined: 7/3/2009
Msg: 477
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 10/31/2011 6:58:01 AM

How about reducing taxes? Every tax dollar comes out of the economy.


Yes but then they couldn't take from the "rich" and give to the lazy......so they can blow the money on whatever they normally do when they get a dollar.

But then that will just put money back into the hands of the "rich" or drug dealers.

Just on one job website there are over 2000 jobs posted in the Panama City Beach area.

Instead of giving the lazy money .............why don't they get jobs?

Oh yeah that would negate the need to redistribute the wealth!

It all boils down to PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY! One must live within their means and save money to raise themselves to the place in life they want to be.

I did so and many of my friends are self made. Some are even self made millionaires.

If you want something you should work for it not expect the "government" to hand it to you.
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 478
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 10/31/2011 8:40:42 AM
Hey pal, archie bunker much?

"blow the money", "drug dealers", "giving the lazy money"!!

That sounds an awful lot like assumption, never mind bigotry.

"PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY"

So let's see where unemployment is running closer to 20% than 9%. Where many businesses and plants of major companies closed, what should they do?

You seem to lack an understanding of regional economy. When a GM, GE or any major manufacturer closes a plant, lays off 10's of thousands. Not only do you lose those jobs, but suppliers close, stores, gas stations and small businesses do as well. Usually for every 2 jobs lost in such a scenario, you lose 1 addtional job in area businesses.

Yes there are jobs out there, no doubt that go unfilled. But if you didn't attend college or are not qualified for that job, your not going to get it.

Even the quasi-elite, the white collar workers, accountants and the like, are being underbid for their efforts. A job that paid 60K is now offering 40K, because they know there are 10 applicants for every job.

When you make statements like you just did, it's either about baiting us to respond. Or a truly sad person with no compassion. In either event, you won't get it.

Remember something, no different that what I said about the tea party, the signs that get the headlines, are the most extreme. That makes good headlines, ergo sells more ads, ergo gets the media paid.

"If you want something you should work for it not expect the "government" to hand it to you."

Some people expected the government to do their job. Which basically means regulate the businesses that acted like a gas station stick up man, the only difference is they used a pen and a calculator! Allowing banks to put on more risk than viable, based on the expectation that the government would bail them out was wrong.
 cap_n_mORGAN
Joined: 7/3/2009
Msg: 479
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 10/31/2011 11:37:32 AM


Some people expected the government to do their job. Which basically means regulate the businesses that acted like a gas station stick up man, the only difference is they used a pen and a calculator! Allowing banks to put on more risk than viable, based on the expectation that the government would bail them out was wrong


I agree the banks should NOT have been bailed out.
Neither should the people that bought houses that they couldn't afford. They took on that debt of their own accord. Just why should taxpayers be responsible for that debt?

I built and ran two business' and sold them.

While running them I had to adapt to the market and added things that made money and got rid of the things that didn't.

How is that any different than losing a job?

When one source of income dried up I found other ways of making income.

You talk about a large company going under laying off masses of people.
I agree that is a bad thing......However if those people were making the company money they wouldn't have been let go.

I never let a worker go that was making me and him money.

I have let several go that was not making money. That is just business.

The music industry use to make vinyl records then came 8 tracks then cassettes now cd's.......Should the people that use to make the vinyl records still be paid because their technology is no longer used?

Technology changes as it does jobs are lost and created. If a worker loses one job they should be willing to take whatever is out there to keep a income.

There are many programs offered to retrain workers for the jobs that are there.

Many are just riding the government for unemployment till it runs out....Then getting a job.

Check the stats as unemployment runs out all of a sudden the people losing it finds jobs.

Even some of the "enlightened" socialist countries have cut the amount of time unemployment benefits are paid. The ones looking for work found work weeks before the benefits ran out.....Even when the time was shortened.

As far as compassion I have plenty of it for the ones that deserve it.

I find it hard to have it for 5th generation welfare recipients.
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 480
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 10/31/2011 2:02:55 PM
In what we are discussing, neither of us have a role. What I'm trying to say is you run a business, as do I. That neither of us have the needs that these people do, is a great comfort.

When I refer to large companies, it's never those at the top who gets laid off, no they keep their jobs, despite approving poor quality controls, poor product selection, poor design and other things. Sorry when you're in the front office(as I will assume you were) then you know, the wrong choice is on you, not the typical worker.

These guys were worse than that. It wasn't there money(as in a small business like yours or mine, where we stood to gain or lose), it was the stock holders money. That they can rack up 10 or more quarters of dismal performance, continue to be paid an extremely attractive package, then skulk off in the night with a HUGE severance package isn't obscene, it's criminal. The company loses it's customer base, ends up forcing their suppliers to take less than agreed to, the stock goes into the toilet and he skates off scott free, with a bonus for wrecking the place.

Now as to your other points:

"vinyl records"

Yes industries change, records to 8 tracks to casettes to CD's to Ipods! This is a good example, in most of those cases, the change was telegraphed in the trade papers. It's not like one day they awoke and found their markets in tatters. There was the news of the break through, then the news of the development, then the production dates, then the articles about when it would be available.

Even then...the change happened over the course of 6 months or a year, before people embraced the new technology. So what was the fuvken idiot who ran that company doing to change his business model! Case in point, some industries in the refined steel industry changed from one type of production to another. Cable or sheet steel to airbags production.

"many programs to retrain workers"

Yeah well this falls into 2 categories. I'm sure those who could embrace training have. Some line workers with limited education or mental facility cannot adapt. Others go the these fly by night universities for degrees or training in over saturated industries, like medical billing.

"Technolgy changes and as it does jobs are lost and created"

Ahhh, that's where you're wrong. With the advancement of robotics, some jobs go away and NEVER come back. You can now take some factories where 500 worked and produce the same production with 150+robots! Ergo 350 jobs gone, evaporated. No this may not be the fault of the company, but it isn't the workers fault either.

"Many are just riding the government"

WOW!!! Now I know your short sighted, but give me a break! If you made 40K or so a year, I bet they just love life at 17K a year on unemployment. "Yeah oouuu, let's see what's for dinner tonight, oh it's hamburger helper(without the hamburger!)"

Or then the best part, taking a minimum wage job (can I super size that fer ya) or welfare! Yeah that's just what the kiddies want to hear!

As for "5th generation welfare recipients"

Now I know your blowin it out your azz. You really should check the laws before you post. Maybe that had some limited validity after LBJ's great society bill passed. But think again and review the welfare changes under Clinton and the republican congress.

At most you get some food stamps and a few hundred per month(max is like 700), they pay your rent for "1 YEAR"!! That's it, then off to the shelters with you!

So let's see if I get this straight, a man who grew up, served his country, then married had 2 kids, worked a factory job for 30 years. Now loses it cause the schumk who ran the place bet it all on green pinto's which exploded, then closed the factory. Now after 99 weeks of unemployment and whatever he is not one of "the ones that deserve it"?

Yeah right! you have compassion!
 RichenLosAngeles
Joined: 11/14/2010
Msg: 481
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 10/31/2011 2:24:42 PM
Oy and MJ, you both make some good points.
Oy, I would ask you this: If you are an American autoworker, and year by year you see more foreign cars on our roads and at the mall parking lots, doesn't that tell you something about your own job security?

And assuming you were that autoworker and the handwriting is on the wall. Isn't the smart thing to do, either learn new skills, or relocate? In any event, you can't just stay there and wait for the walls to collapse around you,,, That is , if you are a responsible person,,,

And mind you, the American auto industry took decades to fail, this was not an overnight process.
 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
Msg: 482
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 10/31/2011 2:28:11 PM

Oy, I would ask you this: If you are an American autoworker, and year by year you see more foreign cars on our roads and at the mall parking lots, doesn't that tell you something about your own job security?
yeah it would tell me that the foreign companies are making better cars and its time to look for a new job, the only thing the American Autoworker is concerned about is the foreign car manufacturers are not unionized, and its tells me that the union isn't adding value to my company or market share and isnt doing a great job for me when the foreign guys are coming and getting market share.
 bodypro88
Joined: 10/15/2011
Msg: 483
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 10/31/2011 2:36:49 PM
Detroit metal improved after the eighties and they now make some good cars. Why not put tariffs on foreign cars? I know it's more complicated than that. It's also more complex than union bashing. That union money was being spent here in North America.
 SweetLilGTP
Joined: 10/22/2010
Msg: 484
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 10/31/2011 2:40:19 PM
You talk about a large company going under laying off masses of people.
I agree that is a bad thing......However if those people were making the company money they wouldn't have been let go


That is where you fall off the track guy.

Many who were laid off were making the company money UNTIL the company (theboards) made decisions which turned profit into loss. (or in extreme cases; lost the profits in the market)

Therefore; the fact that those employees were no longer profitable had nothing to do with them, or their efforts. They were doing everything asked of them, and more in may cases.

Check the stats as unemployment runs out all of a sudden the people losing it finds jobs.


Or fall off the radar completely; because there is no way for the Government to keep track of their job status; unless they goto welfare.

Many are just riding the government for unemployment till it runs out....Then getting a job.


Who chooses less...instead of more?

EI sucks!

I've maxed out my benefits once ever. (and it was only a 28 week benefit) The options paid around the same as I was receiving minus expenses AND minus time to search for something more desirable. Paid...the same...at what is it....40% or 60% of what I WAS making?

Others go the these fly by night universities for degrees or training in over saturated industries, like medical billing.


Often not qualifying for any jobs IN that field; because the training they received is so low skilled and remedial. In many cases, here in Ontario, the Government PAID for that training. A few of the colleges were not even ACCREDITED, and the courses were even LESS accredited.


If you are an American autoworker, and year by year you see more foreign cars on our roads and at the mall parking lots


*cough*

Or in your GM factory parking lot.(oops)

 VGLGuySksFun
Joined: 10/12/2011
Msg: 485
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/1/2011 1:04:07 PM
"What should you do when "protesters" don't leave? Violence is an inevitable conclusion when your attitude is defiance."

Two comments...

1) you don't do anything... protesting is a right guaranteed by the constitution...

2) being that you're 38 years old... i strongly recommend you read some history and watch some of Dr. Martin Luther King's non violence marches in defiance
 VGLGuySksFun
Joined: 10/12/2011
Msg: 486
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/1/2011 1:16:50 PM
To Richen, Oy and MJ...

Where the heck were the automakers when they saw more and more foreign cars on our roads? This should have been a collaborative effort with both the corporation and the unions participating... wouldn't that have been in their combined best interests?

At the end of the day... we didn't fail just because of UNIONs and we didn't fail just because of CORPORATE MANAGEMENT... we ALL failed... because we wanted to suck the marrow out of what we had rather than embracing change and continuing to develop and improve.
The future of the United States will be based upon our willingness to suck it up on our current issues and INVEST in new technologies and capabilities that will be superior to what our competitors have around the world. We don't need tariffs... we need to learn a lesson and make sure our children learn it too... EMBRACE CHANGE and NEVER STOP TRYING TO COMPLETELY REINVENT THE ENTIRE PROCESS AND PRODUCTS.
 VGLGuySksFun
Joined: 10/12/2011
Msg: 487
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Posted: 11/1/2011 1:32:26 PM
"That mantra isn't fooling anyone except the true believers.....and now for some unvarnished history from the folks who kept the last depression rolling along......
Henry Morgenthau Jr., The Treasury Secretary under FDR eventually figured it out.
"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work." "I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. ... And an enormous debt to boot!"
No here is a DUH moment -- How about NOT continuing to throw trillions of dollars down a rat hole? How about cutting the budget back to 2005 levels? How about reducing taxes? Every tax dollar comes out of the economy."

First... no GOP or Tea Party answer refers to the fact that there are no jobs and there won't be any jobs in the short term regardless of who controls the presidency.

Second... i'm not advocating the federal government overspending the budget to create construction jobs... it would only be a political bandaid to try to win an election.

Third... i don't see "trillions" going down a rat hole unless you're referring to our military, iraq and afghanistan... then i would agree. Let's not go back to 2005 levels though... let's go back to 1980, cut the military by at least 67% (and we would still be spending more on the military than all other nations combined!), and RAISE the maximum personal tax rates to pay for the debt we've racked up while lowering the corporate tax rates to encourage investment of the record profits.
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 488
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/1/2011 2:15:01 PM
OK vglguy, some things of note, that will or (I guess since most will never see the other side)will not address some things.

The auto industry failed...because it did! Sorry guys, there is no smoking gun, no JW Booth running from the theatre. Just a whole bunch of people, who from different angles set and watched a fire burn out of control.

Let's talk unions first, shall we. Well errr...let's talk human nature before that! Now how many of you have rushed into their bosses office and screamed "your paying me too much!" or "no I couldn't possibly accept a raise in this economy." I believe the answer is self evident, NO ONE!! Since we (I hope) can agree human nature is what it is.

Unions were run by shop stewards, who worked in the industry. They fought for reforms to poor work conditions and better wages. Then came the outside management of unions, ya know people with degrees in union management.

Shit slid down hill from there. The combination of union shop stewards, ingrained with the atta boys of members, the newbie front office of the unions fought management to a standstill, and kept the wages rising, in the face of shrinking profits.

The executives couldn't see the popularity of Japanese models ever eating their lunch. They just(as I said earlier) kept passing the buck of higher wages to buyers. In the meantime, they kept putting out shitty cars. Poor designs, that ate too much gas, that cost more than imports. They kept going "whew, got away with another years salary for doing bupkis!"

In the end, they just decided to downsize their costs, rather than build better cars. I mean let's face some facts here(now what I am going to say will upset you). "IF" detroit built better cars than japan for the same price, with the nationalism here in this country, only rivaled by the nationalism in nazi germany in the last 200 years. Would our citizens really have bought imports? I DON'T THINK SO!!!

So you may not like my explanation, but the facts support what I say. Were union members stupid, absofreakinlutely! But what do you expect from people who thought it was more important to take the first day of hunting season off, than to build cars?

Was management stupid? I think the asnwer to that is self evident by the fact not only did they build the same cars, BUT did so EVEN after they saw that japan, korea and a host of others was kicking their ass!

Now onto more fertile grounds:

"The Treasury Secretary under FDR"

Oh fukin please give this FDR sh1t a rest(I'm a freakin liberal and I'm sayin this)!

Gawd you people get me crazy, FDR didn't end the depression, WW2 did! Not only did production for the war end the profit erosion and put people to work. It took millions off the dole and put them in uniform. Thereby ending the depression. Furthermore, many did not return, hence the low unemployment rate at the end of the war.

The problem today is there is no world conflagration to spur production. Sorry Iraq and Afghanistan is not enough to put everyone to work. We have never encountered a depression with the significance of this one. Robotics, declining housing prices, imports(as opposed to exports during WW2), and a whole series of misques by corporations has landed us in this quagmire.

Oh and one last thing most of you haven't even mentioned, 9/11 and it's ancilary costs. 2 wars, increased security, homeland security with 87,000 subcontractors, reduced spending patterns by the population, and gawd knows what else, has cost us trillions!

As for the question you guys keep asking me about union workers not noticing foreign imports. Wake the fuk up!! I have too notice trends to make a living EVERY day! I miss them. Do you really think joe average who comes home from a shift at the plant, and pops a beer and flops into his barka lounger and watches American Idol or whatever sh1t he watches, really notices trends?

Gawd!! Some of you really make me laugh! You are supposed to be the educated ones. Yet you expect someone with high school education who followed the 2 generations before him into the plant to notice trends!
 viper1j
Joined: 11/30/2005
Msg: 489
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/1/2011 3:37:47 PM

The problem today is there is no world conflagration to spur production. Sorry Iraq and Afghanistan is not enough to put everyone to work. We have never encountered a depression with the significance of this one. Robotics, declining housing prices, imports(as opposed to exports during WW2), and a whole series of misques by corporations has landed us in this quagmire.


Ok... So let's nuke... Australia? No.. Sweden! Yeah, let's nuke Sweden! We have enough clocks, and we can get some people back to work!
 swingarm1966
Joined: 3/27/2011
Msg: 490
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/1/2011 4:05:36 PM
Corporate personhood needs to be addressed.(Partial post taken from Law thread but applies here too)

Attorneys learn in law school that the 1886 Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad Company case established corporate personhood. However, when Mr. Hartmann read the actual decision, he found that the justices had ruled on specific tax laws and explicitly excluded the issue of corporate personhood. Baffled by this apparent contradiction, Mr. Hartmann looked up the case in Volume 118 of United States Reports: Cases Adjudged in The Supreme Court at October Term 1885 and October Term 1886 at the Vermont Supreme Court law library.

Mr. Hartmann discovered that the headnotes, which are the court reporter's summary of the case, asserted that "corporations are persons within the intent . . . of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution ...," an opinion the justices did not state in the ruling.

I read about this in Thom Hartmans book,
Unequal Protection: The Rise of Corporate Dominance and the Theft of Human Rights

In 1886 Supreme Court case that established "corporate personhood" and extended citizens' rights to corporations.

However, the Supreme Court justices' 1886 decision did not, in fact, establish corporate personhood, according to author Thom Hartmann. In his recent book, Unequal Protection: The Rise of Corporate Dominance and the Theft of Human Rights, Mr. Hartmann documents how corporations claimed the Constitutional rights of personhood under the Fourteenth Amendment almost immediately after the amendment was passed. The Fourteenth Amendment extended Constitutional rights to slaves freed after the U.S. Civil War.

The first Supreme Court justice to write an opinion on a case where a corporation claimed personhood under the Fourteenth Amendment "minced no words in chastising corporations for trying to claim the rights of human beings," writes Mr. Hartmann.


Mr. Hartmann discovered that the headnotes, which are the court reporter's summary of the case, asserted that "corporations are persons within the intent . . . of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution ...," an opinion the justices did not state in the ruling.

Mr. Hartmann consulted Vermont Secretary of State and attorney Deb Markowitz, who said, "Headnotes are not precedential." In speaking with SocialFunds.com, Ms. Markowitz confirmed this statement and added that corporate personhood became legal precedent when subsequent Supreme Court cases cited the 1886 case, regardless of the fact that the opinion appeared in the headnotes and not in the ruling. However, she said, the fact that the original headnotes lack legal authority leaves corporate personhood open to challenge and potential reversal.

http://www.socialfunds.com/news/article.cgi?sfArticleId=1044

It appears to me that this was the beginning of the blending of the natural and artificial persons used in statutes to manipulate flesh and blood human beings into the status of corporate entities through the use of the capitalized name. This is a case American people should take revisit and have overturned.
 timetogo3223
Joined: 9/29/2011
Msg: 491
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/1/2011 6:33:41 PM
vglguy...





1) you don't do anything... protesting is a right guaranteed by the constitution...

2) being that you're 38 years old... i strongly recommend you read some history and watch some of Dr. Martin Luther King's non violence marches in defiance


The right of assembly is guaranteed by the Constitution, not protest an destruction.

I can tell you about MLK, because I witnessed his "non-violent" marches. They were far from it. He picked neighborhoods that were usually eastern European ethnic and disrupted the entire area. In Chicago, he marched through the Marquette Park neighborhood. The reaction would have been the same as the KKK marching through Bronzeville or Englewood or Chatam, black neighborhoods.

I saw with my own eyes, so don't tell me it wasn't so. No documentaries needed.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 492
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/1/2011 6:44:53 PM
King was killed when the poster was 10. He just picked up the racism of his parents uncritically and has never examined it since.
 SweetLilGTP
Joined: 10/22/2010
Msg: 493
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/1/2011 7:18:19 PM
Corporate personhood needs to be addressed


That's a must.


 OMG!WTF!
Joined: 12/3/2007
Msg: 494
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Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/1/2011 7:35:21 PM

1) you don't do anything... protesting is a right guaranteed by the constitution...

2) being that you're 38 years old... i strongly recommend you read some history and watch some of Dr. Martin Luther King's non violence marches in defiance


Hmmm. before you start strongly recommending anything, you should have at least the slightest idea of what you're talking about. Protesting is by no means whatsoever unconditionally guaranteed under your constitution. The list of laws these protesters are currently breaking in most cities is quite long and the fact is that it will have to stop at some point. Very simply, it's a choice of living in a lawless society or one with conditions on people's behavior. Eventually they will have to be removed either peacefully or forcefully.

Trotting out MLK? You're serious. His "occupation" was in defiance of unjust laws like, I dunno, maybe sitting in the front of the bus once and a while, swimming in the whitie's pool and eating at the whitie's restaurant. I'm pretty bloody sure King's defiance would not have included sleeping in a public park, occupying public spaces after hours, capital damage to public spaces, cooking on an open flame within city limits, public urination and general ***holery. Yours is a shameful comparison.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 495
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/1/2011 7:52:59 PM

Yours is a shameful comparison.

A bit of a stretch perhaps, but not exactly shameful *cough* KKK...
 timetogo3223
Joined: 9/29/2011
Msg: 496
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/1/2011 7:53:07 PM
One eyed....


You have got to be freaking kidding me. You are comparing Martin Luther King's marches for equal rights with the KKK? An organization with a history of hate, lynchings and murder?


No. I'm saying that MLK was not a man of peace. Period. I was comparing the acts of marching, but apparently this is too difficult a comparison for some to make.
 timetogo3223
Joined: 9/29/2011
Msg: 497
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/1/2011 7:59:11 PM
halfime...



King was killed when the poster was 10. He just picked up the racism of his parents uncritically and has never examined it since.


Wow, halftime, I bet you're sitting up there smugly in Canada and telling me, who lives in a mixed race neighborhood, goes to a mixed-race church and who has worked for bosses of various colors in different parts of the world, a racist. Lot of nerve. And you even extend that to my parents. Usually those who are accusing in such a manner are projecting their own thoughts. I believe that of you.

You talk the game but my guess is your world has been lily-white and you would run the opposite direction if a "negro" came along.

I saw the marches of MLK myself. Did you? Did you witness the violence in your lily white enclave up north der? No. You didn't. As I mentioned to the other poster who can't read: I was comparing marching into a neighborhood for no other reason than to cause trouble. It was done by MLK, and it was done by the KKK and the Nazi's as well.

When King was killed the cities in the US erupted in flames. White people were beaten and killed by blacks. That, my isolated northern friend, is the truth. You feared for your life.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Trying living it instead of reading about it in some safe history book.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 498
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/1/2011 8:37:55 PM
King marched to bring attention. If he marched in your neighbourhood, it was because black families weren't allowed to live there. But to the adults around you at the time, he was just "causing trouble." Over 40 years later, you're still repeating the same bigoted opinions.

As far as your personal attacks on me, I do live in one of the most cosmopolitan and ethnically diverse cities in the world. We don't even use terms like "mixed race neighbourhoods." Even seeing that written here is just weird.
 bodypro88
Joined: 10/15/2011
Msg: 499
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/1/2011 8:42:01 PM
I thought Delta was all Asian? Maybe that's Richmond. New West is mostly old people.
 Casper66
Joined: 3/2/2007
Msg: 500
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Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/1/2011 9:21:07 PM
Well at least the protesters are getting people to talk about this mess and we are starting to hear some ideas from the candidates. The US needs to clean up it's financial mess it made, there is plenty of blame to go around. You can't have tax cuts when you can't balance the budget, hard decisions need to be made and new revenue to be generated. The thing is that the US has exhausted it's usual credit from other countries and has been downgraded, high unemployment means less personal taxes being collected, property is being foreclosed on so no property taxes being generated, if this was a person they would either go bankrupt or would have to make drastic lifestyle changes to get themselves out of debt. The US needs to make some very hard decisions, the problem is that some of the very rich, the politicians, Wall street and certain corporations don't want to pay their fair share of taxes or cut their benefits/perks, unless everyone contributes and works together nothing will change no matter who is in the oval office, look at Greece and old Russia, that could be the US in the future.
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