Plentyoffish dating forums are a place to meet singles and get dating advice or share dating experiences etc. Hopefully you will all have fun meeting singles and try out this online dating thing... Remember that we are the largest free online dating service, so you will never have to pay a dime to meet your soulmate.
     
Show ALL Forums  > Off Topic  > Occupy Wall Street      Home login  
 AUTHOR
 lyingcheat
Joined: 9/13/2009
Msg: 526
view profile
History
Occupy Wall StreetPage 22 of 53    (13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53)

Occupiers of the liberal and progressive ideals often are great at mind reading and telling you what you really mean.

Odd that you should say that ^^^
And then proceed, presumably by mind reading, to tell everyone in advance what 'liberals and progressives' will say, and what it means.

disagree with Obama and you are racist. Disagree with the popular opinion on such a secular "saint" as Martin Luther King and not only are you racist but your entire pedigree going back to exiting the swamp days.
 Arlo_Troutman
Joined: 9/26/2009
Msg: 527
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/4/2011 7:47:03 AM

(lyingcheat) Odd that you should say that ^^^
And then proceed, presumably by mind reading, to tell everyone in advance what 'liberals and progressives' will say, and what it means.


*shrug* People have learned what words they get in reply when they criticize liberal ideas. That's not the fault of the people who correctly identify what responses liberals give them.

Arlo...
 lyingcheat
Joined: 9/13/2009
Msg: 528
view profile
History
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/4/2011 8:24:09 AM

*shrug* People have learned what words they get in reply...

I see no evidence of 'learning' in the post I referred to.
 Hussain30
Joined: 6/25/2011
Msg: 529
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/4/2011 9:02:51 AM
Coming out on the streets and refuse to go back to fulfill your daily obligations towards your family and others never accomplishes any thing.

It took India and Pakistan 100 years to get freedom from the British empire. Their leaders had to go to jail, they were beaten up, and many people paid with their lives to get to the freedom.

A pure revolution is never easy or bloodless. Remember this!!!! And it requires leaders, planning, and shit loads of struggle.

Expecting to gang up on the people of neighborhoods and becoming a nuisance on others will create nothing but hysteria and anarchy.

I am sick and tired of these fake street revolutions popping all around the world!!!!
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 530
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/4/2011 9:09:44 AM
Nobody is comparing the OWS with Ghandi.

And this isn't about revolution. But the issues that concern a majority of your fellow citizens simply weren't being discussed. Frankly, they still aren't. The discussion about the movement is around how much of a nuisance they are. If the media and politicians actually started talking about the real issues that bring people into the streets, then they wouldn't need to be there.
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 531
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/4/2011 9:21:33 AM
Look guys, I doubt I will change anybody's mind here. Those who can see will, those who close their eyes and are blind won't.

I only want to present the facts, while many are ancedotal from my POV, there are scores of books, articles that show exactly the same as what I say. Some facts are self evident ya know.

Paul and I will never see eye to eye, I get it. I went back and looked at some of his earlier posts. The one that struck me from what I saw was #236. Where he says the OWS crowd is in the wrong place and should fly to china!

Sorry Paul, they RECEIVED the jobs, the people over here SENT the jobs and would be the ones to RECALL the jobs back here. Kinda simple business concept.

But understanding that wouldn't jibe with your opinion and views.

So I guess in the end, it comes down to, we express something, you slander or warp it. You give us half a story and we debunk it. So it will go.

But to correct one thing, you are more than entitled to your opinions. You are not entitled to false facts.

Now you may hate them for smokin weed, you can hate them for being filthy or where they go to the bathroom.

I could try and make a case for a bunch of things you guys accuse us of and use a basis in fact. You guys get off on conspiracies. Well the FBI used a program against the Viet Nam war protestors, to discredit them, to thwart the movement.

After 30 days of no problems in the OWS movement. Suddenly we have accusations of sexual abuse or rape. 100 "masked" protestors show up at a peaceful all day demonstration and start breaking windows, setting fires. Could make you wonder if the old righties are putting a little sh1t in the game. Can't beat em one way, we'll just do it dirty!

But I have no facts to back that up. BUT I'll keep watching.
 timetogo3223
Joined: 9/29/2011
Msg: 532
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/4/2011 2:18:25 PM
Bigbad...




A dollar ($1.00) for a gallon of gas in 1974 when someone started driving would equate to $4.37 for the same gallon today...


Thanks for making my point....it's all relative to time.





As for the schools


Yes, let's unfund schools...and then truly we'll be as dumb as some of us already sound.


By "us" I am sure you are not including me.

I think it would be a great idea to get the government and its money out of the schools. For the liberals and progressives and neo-socialists amongst us here, it may come as a huge surprise to them, but public schools are a relatively new invention, cooked up at the end of the nineteenth century. Colleges and Universities were private, usually affiliated with a ---horrors!-- a religious denomination.

For what it's worth too, too many universities are turning out dunces. Many should never be there in the first place.

Also, in the case of public grade and high schools, when you essentially give something away for free, what happens? Econ 101....what happens? Yes, it's value decreases! Who cares about something given away for nothing? Nobody.

Take the government money out of schools. See, BB, we agree on something, at least.
 timetogo3223
Joined: 9/29/2011
Msg: 533
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/4/2011 2:23:33 PM

Odd that you should say that ^^^
And then proceed, presumably by mind reading, to tell everyone in advance what 'liberals and progressives' will say, and what it means.


Notice, Mr. Lying, that I said "often" in my quote.

About disagreeing with Obama, that is exactly what is said by liberals and progressives. When I'm not lazy I say "most", usually.
 Arlo_Troutman
Joined: 9/26/2009
Msg: 534
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/5/2011 7:34:21 AM
*shrug* Who benefits from the OWS types looking bad?

Arlo...
 swingarm1966
Joined: 3/27/2011
Msg: 535
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/5/2011 8:12:04 AM
Bill O'Reilly: Occupy Wall Street COMMIES!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StP5Tab784U



occupy protest protest How to really annoy the banks and finance companies This works...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgkSiyIUz_w
 viper1j
Joined: 11/30/2005
Msg: 536
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/5/2011 12:34:47 PM
Occupy Wall Street!

Now with boobs!

Well, real boobs.. eermm.. wait.. real.. frack it. Now with tits!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAHiq-Lxs30
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 537
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/5/2011 2:35:28 PM


A dollar ($1.00) for a gallon of gas in 1974 when someone started driving would equate to $4.37 for the same gallon today...



Thanks for making my point....it's all relative to time.


No, I did not make your point...your point as can be seen in your post #620 was...it was government restrictions on energy developement...and my point is that gas prices have inflated normally according to normal inflation...in addition to wall street types inflating the petroleum prices thru futures and commodity trading (which were not present in 1974)

Post #620

BTW, when I started driving gas was 73 cents a gallon. It has been government restrictions on energy development that has escalate the price to today's level. I should Occupy DC with this and bang a drum.
 swingarm1966
Joined: 3/27/2011
Msg: 538
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/5/2011 8:51:23 PM

"No, I did not make your point...your point as can be seen in your post #620 was...it was government restrictions on energy developement...and my point is that gas prices have inflated normally according to normal inflation...in addition to wall street types inflating the petroleum prices thru futures and commodity trading (which were not present in 1974)"


Normal inflation? What is normal inflation? You mean the systematic devaluation of the currency by the central banking cartels through debt?
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 539
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/5/2011 9:07:26 PM
Um, I'm pretty sure normal inflation is pretty much what it says. Gasoline prices have risen in line with other prices.
 timetogo3223
Joined: 9/29/2011
Msg: 540
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/5/2011 9:35:53 PM
Many of the Occupy Drum Bangers are becoming violent. Do any of the enlightened posters on here think that they will do anything but illustrate to the Real99% that works and stays home that they are a bunch of radicals and spoiled brats and professional community organizers who are just out to cause trouble and have no concrete agenda except for redistribution of wealth (socialism).

How can anybody take these Drum Bangers for anything more than what they are: Obama/Soros created diversions?
 lyingcheat
Joined: 9/13/2009
Msg: 541
view profile
History
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/5/2011 9:57:53 PM

How can anybody take these Drum Bangers for anything more than what they are: Obama/Soros created diversions?

Anybody who doesn't have a closed mind, whose head isn't filled with negative propaganda, who still has the ability to discern truth from lies, and who has taken the time to inform themselves will probably 'take them' as a diverse group of people who share the idea that society could be better than it is.

But you see 'radicals' and 'professional organisers' participating in a socialist conspiracy created by your President for some reason.
 Earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 542
view profile
History
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/6/2011 1:26:10 AM
Many of the Occupy Drum Bangers are becoming violent. Do any of the enlightened posters on here think that they will do anything but illustrate to the Real99% that works and stays home that they are a bunch of radicals and spoiled brats and professional community organizers who are just out to cause trouble and have no concrete agenda except for redistribution of wealth (socialism).

How can anybody take these Drum Bangers for anything more than what they are: Obama/Soros created diversions?


Soros has nothing whatsoever to do with the OWS movement and Obama, while still the lesser of the evils in the last or next election is at best viewed as a moderate republican among most former supporters. As long as you are making such wild allegations about these protesters, please cite your sources.

A funny thing happened on the way to a hatefest over in Nashville the other night. The young republicans ended up finding common ground with the protesters.
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20111104/NEWS01/311040072/Occupy-Nashville-Republican-students-find-common-ground

The purported "violence" has remained quite isolated and primarily due to police showing up dressed for a riot and then doing a donut riot against protesters. Two Iraqi war veterans are among the police violence victims in the past week. As for demographics...


We now know what they want, what social networks and online tools they use and who doesn’t like them. But just who are the Occupy Wall Street protesters?

Over a month since the demonstrations began in New York’s Zuccotti Park, two demographic surveys of the movement and its supporters are now available online, both of them containing surprising, perhaps even counter-intuitive findings about the makeup of the movement and its supporters.

Survey One: Visitors to Occupy Wall Street Website


The first survey, the results of which appear in an academic paper written by Héctor Codero-Guzmán, PhD, a sociology professor at the City University of New York (CUNY), used visitors to the Occupy Wall Street movement’s website (www.occupywallst.org) on October 5th as its sample size. The paper was published online on the Occupy Wall Street website on Wednesday.

Politically independent
Among other striking findings, Codero-Guzmán discovered that 70 percent of the survey’s 1,619 respondents identified as politically independent, far-and-away the vast majority, compared to 27.3% Democrats and 2.4% self-identified Republicans.

“That finding surprised me based on what I had heard in previous conversations about the movement” said Codero-Guzmán in a telephone interview with TPM on Wednesday. “I wasn’t expecting many Republicans, but I was expecting more self-identified Democrats. In recent years, there’s been an increased interest in who political independents are and what political views are and what are their levels of interest in particular issues, which will only continue as the election cycle progresses.”

Other findings in the paper include:

Participation level: Relatively weak
Less than a quarter of the sample (24.2%) had participated in the Occupy Wall Street protests as of October 5, 2011. (But as Codero-Guzmán pointed out to TPM, the movement was still in its relative infancy at that stage.)

Age varies widely
64.2% of respondents were younger than 34 years of age, but one in three respondents was over 35 and one in five was 45 or older.

Wealth varies widely
A full 15.4% of the sample reported earning annual household income between $50,000 and $74,999. Another 13% of the sample reported over $75,000 , and 2% said they made over $150,000 annually, putting them in the top 10 percent of all American earners, according to the Wall Street Journal’s calculator. That said, 47.5% of the sample said they earend less than $24,999 dollars a year and another quarter (24%) reported earning between $25,000 and $49,999 per year. A whopping 71.5% of the sample earns less than $50,000 per year.

Highly educated
92.1% of the sample reported “some college, a college degree, or a graduate degree.”

They have jobs
50.4% reported full-time employment, and “an additional 20.4% were employed part-time.”

“Dr. Cordero-Guzmán’s findings strongly reinforce what we’ve known all along: Occupy Wall Street is a post-political movement representing something far greater than failed party politics,” read a blog post on the paper posted on the Occupy Wall Street website Wednesday. “We are a movement of people empowerment, a collective realization that we ourselves have the power to create change from the bottom-up, because we don’t need Wall Street and we don’t need politicians.”

Cordero-Guzmán told Idea Lab that he and Occupy Wall Street’s webmasters planned to release more findings of their initial data sample this week and would conduct future studies in the coming weeks with a much wider sample size.

“I can tell you about 6.3 million people visited the [Occupy Wall Street] website within the last 30 days,” said Cordero-Guzmán. Not bad for its first month of launch!

Survey Two: Face-to-Face With Protesters

The other demographic survey of the movement was an in-person questionnaire of some 198 protesters on the ground in Zuccotti Square, conducted by Fox News analyst Douglas Schoen’s polling outfit on October 10th and 11th.

The results were published online Tuesday and used to bolster a Wall Street Journal column by Schoen in which he maintained “the Occupy Wall Street movement reflects values that are dangerously out of touch with the broad mass of the American people—and particularly with swing voters who are largely independent and have been trending away from the president since the debate over health-care reform.”

Still, a closer examination of the results of Schoen’s survey by The Wall Street Journal’s Aaron Rutkoff on Wednesday revealed some findings that Schoen glossed over or misconstrued to further his own perspective.

Participation split between veterans and rookies
Schoen’s survey found 48% reporting it was their “first time getting involved in a protest/rally/march etc.,” compared to 52 percent who said they had a “history of past participation,” about an even split.

Age varies widely
As Rutfkoff explained: “While 49% of protesters are under 30, more than 28% are 40 or older,” roughly coinciding with Cordero-Guzmán’s findings.

Some employment, but overall difficulty finding work
When it came to employment, Rutfkoff explained that “33%… are struggling in the labor market. That percentage is double the U.S. Labor Department’s broader measure of unemployment, which accounts for people who have stopped looking for work or who can’t find full-time jobs.”

Politically independent
As for political leanings, Schoen’s survey recorded that the largest group of respondents, 33 percent, “do not identify with any political party,” followed by 32 percent that identified Democratic and zero respondents who identified Republican. A further 21 percent, again the largest cohesive group, said “both parties” were to blame for the “failure to address our problems.”

And although Schoen’s column maintained that “An overwhelming majority of demonstrators supported Barack Obama in 2008,” his survey doesn’t exactly support that assertion. As Rutkoff found, ” according to the survey data, just 56% of protesters voted in 2008, and of those 74% voted for Obama. Crunching the numbers, it would appear that only 42% of the Zuccotti Park crowd has ever cast a presidential ballot for Obama.” Another 35 percent reported that they “somewhat approved” of President Obama’s job performance while 24 percent “somewhat disapproved” and 27 percent “strong disapproved.”

Overall, Rutkoff says, the survey indicates that “Zuccotti Park protesters are underemployed at twice the national rate, lukewarm to warm on Obama and broadly in favor of taxing the wealthy and encouraging a Tea Party-style populism on the left.”

http://idealab.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/10/occupy-wall-street-demographic-survey-results-will-surprise-you.php

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2052078/Occupy-Wall-Street-protesters-The-99-arent-unemployed-liberals.html

Again..enough of the McCarthyism...anyone left of extreme right is not socialist or a commie. Grow up.
 IgorFrankensteen
Joined: 6/29/2009
Msg: 543
view profile
History
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/6/2011 4:20:45 AM
There has also been reports of a small groups of black-clad violent people, purposely trying to turn these protests into violent ones, trying to get the police to lash out in response.

It is not known yet who is directing these people, but since some on the right have already admitted that they LED violent attacks while pretending to be OWS protesters, it is POSSIBLE that these small groups are "plants," put into the protests BY the right, to try to poison public opinion against them.

It is also possible that they are a third group, unrelated to either the right, or to the main OWS protesters, who are trying to hijack the protest for themselves. That sort of thing has happened to all protest groups and movements in the past, including those on the Right. In fact, part of what keeps me out of such groups as the Tea people, is that they have been too tolerant of the invading groups of radical, hateful people, and allowed them to add their negative traits to the Tea groups otherwise somewhat more rational ideals. Same with the GOP in general.

On the side of the OWS people, when these black-clad people HAVE shown up, and attempted to instigate violence, some of the other OWS protesters have interceded to try to stop them. That speaks well of them, I think.
 DartmouthRunner
Joined: 3/5/2009
Msg: 544
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/6/2011 7:02:12 AM

There has also been reports of a small groups of black-clad violent people, purposely trying to turn these protests into violent ones, trying to get the police to lash out in response.


There seems to be always a group that is just out there to stir up crap when there are huge public gatherings such as this one. To the criminal element in society it is to their advantage to stir up a "riot" since if one takes place the police will be too distracted to prevent some looting.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 545
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/6/2011 7:19:14 AM
I've had a creepy old man crush on Maggie Gyllenhaal since Mona Lisa Smile. So I'm biased. But I just love this picture:
http://www.break.com/pictures/til-maggie-gyllenhaal-is-one-of-the-99-2190705
 IgorFrankensteen
Joined: 6/29/2009
Msg: 546
view profile
History
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/6/2011 7:22:49 AM
^^^^I'm with ya on Maggie, she's on my hugely cute list too. Any idea why you think it's pertinent to this thread?
 timetogo3223
Joined: 9/29/2011
Msg: 547
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/6/2011 1:32:50 PM
earth....



Again..enough of the McCarthyism...anyone left of extreme right is not socialist or a commie. Grow up.


Wow oh wow oh wow... facts and figures yanked right off how many liberal/progressives sources? Who in the heck has the time to read all this stuff much less cut and paste it and make insulting comments at the end? I guess those whose time is "occupied" by not much.

Get back to me on these great patriot drum bangers when they stop pissing and crapping in the street, blocking traffic, fighting with police and shutting down ports. Their point is... they don't know what their point is. They hate capitalism. Great. They hate Big Banks and Big Money. They love Big Government. They will be along time in paying back their student loans based on their average IQ and their employment opportunities with the same.


And for the millionth time, Mr. Puppy: Joe McCarthy is dead. At least if you're going to dredge up a name for those who disagree with you, can I suggest you find something or someone more current? How bout you can call us "Rush puppies"?

And we will call you Jacksonites, after the Rev... Or jack---. You pick.
 Earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 548
view profile
History
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/6/2011 2:34:24 PM
Timetogo...
Rather than just make sh*t up about the OWS, do your own research and offer some citations. Just being a rushpuppy doesn't fly outside of the echo chambers.

It was interesting that the demographics poll solicited by Fox News, obfuscated by Fox, and then analyzed by someone without an agenda, placed the OWS folks squarely in middle America.

Yes, McCarthy is mostly dead, but his minions live on and have gotten worse in the past decade. What would you call people who see commies and socialists everywhere, attack and accuse without substantiation, labeling wide swaths of the political spectrum as socialists and commies? Sounds like the textbook definition of McCarthyism to me.

1. The practice of publicizing accusations of political disloyalty or subversion with insufficient regard to evidence.
2. The use of unfair investigatory or accusatory methods in order to suppress opposition.
 flyguy51
Joined: 8/11/2005
Msg: 549
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/6/2011 6:25:15 PM
I feel the need to say that I really don't think that is a picture of Maggie Gyllenhaal.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 550
Occupy Wall Street
Posted: 11/6/2011 6:46:22 PM
I messed up. I Stumbled on it, and didn't read past the header.

I still like the sign though.
Show ALL Forums  > Off Topic  > Occupy Wall Street