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 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
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Occupy Wall StreetPage 29 of 53    (13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53)

The BBC is also a propaganda machine, alas. Watch Al Jazeera and at least get some balance.
Well the last time I checked I don't speak Arabic , so Im shit out of luck there pal, unless they have it English and Since I doubt Rogers Cable in Canada carries it .
 timetogo3223
Joined: 9/29/2011
Msg: 702
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Posted: 11/21/2011 8:37:04 PM
kari...


While you're at it, ask her how she feels about that young Marine in Oakland - you remember, the one who was shot in the head with a rubber bullet? He died. Two tours in Iran, and he's killed by US cops in a US city with a 'non lethal' weapon. I guess it's only non lethal some of the time.

Then there's the NY State Supreme Court justice who was slammed into a wall by the police at Wall Street, when she "expressed concern over the mistreatment of a protester" - http://freakoutnation.com/2011/11/18/supreme-court-judge-shoved-against-a-wall-at-ows/

Enjoy life in your happy little world.


So...let me get this right, Missy Kari. I have a friend who was inconvenienced by Operation Drum Bang; you say it didn't happen and that my "source" was not correct, and I point out that she was, indeed, correct. All the VRWC network outlets here carried the story. And she lived it and was ****ing about it, one of those horrible Real99%.

But you bring in a total non sequitur about someone across the country being killed.

You see why just emoting gets a person nowhere? You are not even responding to the point. Emote away, if you must. It is the thing that makes liberals/progressives feel better about themselves, though it does nothing and obscures the truth.

What is needed is a great liberal EMOTICON. It will be bigger than the rest and wear every ribbon of every color. It could be called a DEMOTICON.

Ahhh, life in the land of reality. Some should try it sometime.
 Aries_328
Joined: 10/16/2011
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Posted: 11/21/2011 8:42:06 PM

It could be called a DEMOTICON.


Want!
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 704
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Posted: 11/21/2011 11:11:40 PM
Ahhh yes I can see the issue, obviously we should stop the presses, find the culprits and immediately imprison them for 5 or 10 years! Your friend was stuck on a bridge at wacker and LaSalle, for was it an hour? Or was it 3 hours? Or was it 5 hours?

I mean we need to know? How can we adjudicate justice? Perhaps you can set the sentence, is 1 hour worth 1 year in jail, 3 hours 5 years, perhaps 5 hours would carry a 10 t 20 stretch in Folsom? Heaven knows she might of missed a meeting or a sale on the Miracle mile!! Gawd forbid!!

That of course correlates so well with a dead veteran, or the maced and clubbed students on the UC davis campus. She was inconveienenced, he is dead, they may be in a hospital or suffer permanent eye injury while mister frustrated police man pepper sprays students not resisting but sitting not raising a hand.

What if your friend, one of the 99% was honking her horn and the police pepper sprayed her? That would be fine right? She would have been disturbing the peace so they could have sprayed her, yanked her from her car and clubbed her all in the name of keeping the peace right?

I would suppose you to be the one honking the horn, behind a fatal accident on the freewat cause you might miss your tee-time!

Ahhh, peaceful protests usually disrupt the normal everyday life of people, that's why they call it a protest. Funny thing, usually hours before those funny whirly things in the air, usually make annoucements about closures and such. It's been known that some folks even listen to those whatdamacallits...oh yeah traffic reports and avoid the mess all together.

Oh but I'm sure no one in all of chicago ever has traffic diverted, like the st patricks day parade or othe civic parades that reroute traffic, nnnaahhh that would never happen.

Gee your right, living in lala land must be great!
 Aries_328
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Posted: 11/21/2011 11:20:51 PM

That of course correlates so well with a dead veteran, or the maced and clubbed students on the UC davis campus. She was inconveienenced, he is dead, they may be in a hospital or suffer permanent eye injury while mister frustrated police man pepper sprays students not resisting but sitting not raising a hand.


This should earn the first Demoticon.

Needs a motto, no? To bad "never back down" was taken. Maybe, "I'll remember you." "Live long and prosper?..."

Please pay your taxes. Thats how you do your part to prevent this.
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 11/22/2011 2:06:51 AM
Iceman...Al Jazeera is in English as well, and has a Canadian bureau.
If you need a little proof that the MSM takes marching orders from above, this is cute.
http://gaia-health.com/gaia-blog/2011-11-20/want-proof-that-mainstream-media-is-controlled-watch-this/

The OWS protesters are quite sincere and honest in their concerns and IMO, have the moral high ground when it comes to motivations and actions, particularly in their handling of increasing police violence. I side with the OWS crowd over the psychopaths that got us into this global economic meltdown.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/world-wide-mind/201111/the-turning-point-the-moral-example-uc-davis-students-and-occupy-wall-st

http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2011/11/21/Corporate-Psychopaths/?utm_source=mondayheadlines&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=211111
 unYOUsual
Joined: 8/11/2011
Msg: 707
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Posted: 11/22/2011 5:10:30 AM
The O-bama W-arriors need to get out of the parks and do something constructive...funny how you all ignore all of the negative things and violence going on in Obama Warrior camps but rail about a few incidents perpetrated by the Police....Liberals have a strange definition of Peaceful..reminds me of the allegedly peaceful protestors in Egypt who dragged a man from his vehicle and beat him to death...

In your opinion they have the Moral high ground? that's predictable, can't be a Liberal without believing you are morally superior...


ex-Marine Scott Olsen is now dead, murdered by a pig for exercising his lawful right to protest.
Even if he does die it wouldn't be murder he was accidentally hit in the head with a tear gas canister...Can't find anywhere that he died the most recent article I could find is this one ..http://articles.sfgate.com/2011-11-15/bay-area/30404091_1_protest-last-month-gas-canister-head-injury
 good_dreams
Joined: 9/14/2011
Msg: 708
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Posted: 11/22/2011 5:43:40 AM
The BBC is also a propaganda machine, alas. Watch Al Jazeera and at least get some balance.........
Well the last time I checked I don't speak Arabic , so Im shit out of luck there pal, unless they have it English and Since I doubt Rogers Cable in Canada carries it .



You can read Al-Jazeera english online. I find it to be very fair and unbiased reporting, to the extent that most all U.S media is an embarrassment when compared to it. It is definitely not pro Arabic. I"d say that Al Jazeera is one of the most un-biased news outlets there is along with the Christian Science Monitor, also the BBC which I listen to every morning on my public radio station.
 timetogo3223
Joined: 9/29/2011
Msg: 709
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Posted: 11/22/2011 6:09:50 AM
oyvay...



Ahhh yes I can see the issue, obviously we should stop the presses, find the culprits and immediately imprison them for 5 or 10 years! Your friend was stuck on a bridge at wacker and LaSalle, for was it an hour? Or was it 3 hours? Or was it 5 hours?

I mean we need to know? How can we adjudicate justice? Perhaps you can set the sentence, is 1 hour worth 1 year in jail, 3 hours 5 years, perhaps 5 hours would carry a 10 t 20 stretch in Folsom? Heaven knows she might of missed a meeting or a sale on the Miracle mile!! Gawd forbid!!

That of course correlates so well with a dead veteran, or the maced and clubbed students on the UC davis campus. She was inconveienenced, he is dead, they may be in a hospital or suffer permanent eye injury while mister frustrated police man pepper sprays students not resisting but sitting not raising a hand.


A big DEMOTICON for you, oy. For failing to recognize the difference between peaceful assembly and "protest". Wonder if this is the first time you or other liberal emoters have cared about a dead vet?

I think the way you and the mobs, who are so perpetually angry, would serve justice would be the same as they do in any mob run country: it would be swift and deadly. No need for a trial.

It's ironic, the same thing the Occupy Drum Bang set want --more government care taking and control-- is the thing some here are highlighting. Hey, if somebody is beaten and killed, it is being done by the same grand and benevolent entity that they want more of. Makes no sense, and either do the emoters on there who suddenly are turning on their daddy. Hey, Father Government knows best. You all keep telling us that.

Now, relax.

Because....


Don't you want to turn your DEMOTICON's frown upside down?
 Casper66
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Posted: 11/22/2011 8:23:52 AM
Well now that we know the Super Committee has failed, with no plan to reduce the US debt problem and the stock market has dropped again, perhaps the OWS should be demonstrating for a new political party to be formed, since the Democrats and Republicians are completely useless at getting anything done that doesn't involve their own self interests. OWS needs to change it's tactics, blocking roads and bridges doesn't work because the public doesn't like to be inconvienced, focus on what they really want and move on to the Whitehouse, since they seemed to be stalled waiting for the next presidential election.
 Twilightslove
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Posted: 11/22/2011 8:52:00 AM
A group of OWS hiked from Zuccoti Park to Washington DC. I believe they have made it there for that very reason casper.
 matchlight
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Posted: 11/22/2011 8:53:08 AM
Emote away, if you must. It is the thing that makes liberals/progressives feel better about themselves


They have to have something, I guess--and it certainly can't be their knowledge or reasoning ability.


since the Democrats and Republicians are completely useless at getting anything done that doesn't involve their own self interests.


No form of government gets things done as efficiently as a dictatorship. Knowing that, the Framers deliberately designed the Constitution to make it hard for the U.S. government to "get anything done," at least in domestic policy. In the olden times when they actually taught civics in public schools, they used to explain that the U.S. had a government of "checks and balances."
 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
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Posted: 11/22/2011 9:30:37 AM
Well Earth Puppy, this is why I rarely watch the news, listen to the media etc.
although it was funny , it does ring true, but then again Im not in the sheeple category, I have my own mind, think what I want to think and I'm not influenced by media, politics or Politicians .
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 714
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Posted: 11/22/2011 10:07:26 AM
WOW!! All my buddies piling on all at once! Hmmmm..could this be a mob mentality?

First I will leave the "Demoticon" debate to you who would use another thing to difuse the issues. You're so much better at that than those of us dealing with facts.

Next cute name O-bama W-arriors! Where' you get that from your buddy Rush or Rove? It was reported through several news sources, including one cited by your pal Paul demonstrators aided police when masked looters tried to do things in Oakland and other places. Guess reading comprehension isn't high on your list of priorities.

"would serve justice would be the same a they do in any mob run country"

Quite the contrary, OWS and some of us, well many of us are just waiting for a trial of "ANY" of those who screwed up the banking and home loan industry, fannie and freddie and all the rest. By the way, all that money being burned and in the bailouts was YOURS as well as mine, glad your so happy you paid them a larger bonus in 2010!

"Super Committee has failed"

and

"U.S. had a government of "Checks and Balances"

Yes the committee has failed, because even though the democrats agreed to 1.3 trillion in cuts, the republicans refused any tax increase due to their promise to Grover Norquist. By all means we have checks and balances. The checks to any legislation is the republicans.

But again, while the country slides into the toilet, the rich will keep their tax cuts, gridlock in congress will continue, and you guys can complain, because a few people block roads, smell, smoke pot and you can come up with cutsy names and demoticons.
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
Msg: 715
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Posted: 11/22/2011 10:07:48 AM
I wonder when the CEO's of share buyback companies would sell their shares...after the share price has been artificially inflated by buybacks???

From today's NYT's

As Layoffs Rise, Stock Buybacks Consume Cash

By NELSON D. SCHWARTZ


When Pfizer cut its research budget this year and laid off 1,100 employees, it was not because the company needed to save money.

In fact, the drug maker had so much cash left over, it decided to buy back an additional $5 billion worth of stock on top of the $4 billion already earmarked for repurchases in 2011 and beyond.

The moves, announced on the same day, might seem at odds with each other, but they represent an increasingly common pattern among American corporations, which are sitting on record amounts of cash but insist that growth opportunities are hard to find.

The result is that at a time when the nation is looking for ways to battle unemployment, big companies are creating fewer jobs, and critics say they are neglecting to lay the foundation for future growth by expanding into new businesses or building new plants.

What is more, share buybacks have not fulfilled their stated purpose of rewarding investors over the last decade, experts say. “It’s a symptom of a deeper problem, which is a lack of investment in the long term,” said William W. George, a Harvard Business School professor and former chief executive of Medtronic, a medical technology company. “If we’re not investing in research, innovation and entrepreneurship, we’re going to be a slow-growth country for a decade.”

Liberal critics insist the trend is another example of top corporate executives raking in an inordinate share of the nation’s wealth, even as their employees suffer.

“It’s an extraordinarily unimaginative way to use money,” said Robert Reich, a former secretary of labor under President Clinton who now teaches public policy at the University of California, Berkeley. After diving in the wake of the financial crisis, buybacks have made a remarkable comeback in recent years, with $445 billion authorized this year, the most since 2007, when repurchases peaked at $914 billion.

But spending on capital investments like new plants and infrastructure has stagnated more broadly in corporate America, confounding efforts by the Obama administration to spur economic growth. Capital expenditures by companies on the Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index are expected to total $546 billion in 2011, down from $560 billion in 2008, according to data compiled by Thomson Reuters Eikon.

The principle behind buybacks is simple. With fewer shares in circulation, earnings per share can rise smartly even if the company’s underlying growth is lackluster. In many cases, like that of the medical device maker Zimmer Holdings, executives are able to meet goals for profit growth and earn bigger bonuses despite poor stock performance.

“It’s clear there’s a conflict of interest,” said Charles M. Elson, director of the John L. Weinberg Center for Corporate Governance at the University of Delaware. “Unless earnings per share are adjusted to reflect the buyback, then to base a bonus on raw earnings per share is problematic. It doesn’t purely reflect performance.”

In addition, executives, who are often large shareholders, stand to benefit from even a small, short-term jump in stock prices.

Earlier this month, Pfizer increased its estimate for stock repurchases this year to between $7 billion and $9 billion — essentially spending in one year nearly all of the money it set aside in February for multiyear buybacks. There has been a steady drumbeat of other companies laying off workers even as they have disclosed plans to buy back more stock. On June 23, Campbell Soup said it would buy back $1 billion in stock; five days later it announced plans to eliminate 770 jobs. Hewlett-Packard announced a $10 billion stock repurchase in July, and jettisoned 500 jobs in September after it discontinued its TouchPad and smartphone product lines.

Last month, the first layoffs began at Zimmer’s plant in Statesville, N.C., which is due to shut early next year. The company made splints and tourniquets there for more than three decades. For the sewing machine operators and the rest of the 124 workers at the plant, it is bad news, but it is a different story for Zimmer’s top executives.

Powered by huge stock buybacks — the company bought $500 million worth of its own shares last year, more than twice what it spent on research and development — Zimmer posted earnings growth of 10 percent a share, even though operating income and revenue grew by less than 5 percent in 2010.

That helped its senior management, including the chief executive, David C. Dvorak, collect millions in cash and stock incentive payments by meeting earnings-per-share goals. For example, 50 percent of Mr. Dvorak’s $1.03 million cash bonus was tied to achieving per-share earnings of $4.28 in 2010. The company earned $4.33, but without the share repurchases the company would have made $4 to $4.10 a share.

Investors have not rewarded the strategy, however: Zimmer’s shares have dropped 32 percent in the last five years, while Pfizer’s are down 30 percent in the same period.

Over the last decade, in fact, companies that spent the most on repurchases had a total shareholder return of 37 percent versus 127 percent for companies that spent the least, according to research by Gregory V. Milano, chief executive of Fortuna Advisors, which consults with companies on how to raise their share price over the long term.

In the cases of Pfizer and Zimmer, analysts say the rush to buy back shares crimped development of new products, a prime reason that both companies are experiencing slow revenue growth.

Despite the looming expiration of the patent for its best-selling drug, Lipitor, Pfizer spent more than $20 billion repurchasing shares from 2005 to 2010.

“In that era, it wasn’t the best use of cash,” said Catherine Arnold, an analyst with Credit Suisse. “They should have been doing more to fix the company.”

Matthew Dodds, an analyst with Citigroup, said, “Zimmer has shown little appetite for acquisitions or diversification, yet they don’t sport a pipeline that can drive investor interest."

Nevertheless, Zimmer is on track to repurchase $1 billion worth of its shares this year, double last year’s pace, and it actually borrowed money last quarter to achieve its goal.

In a statement, Zimmer said its bonus programs were “designed to pay for performance,” and that overall compensation strategy was “designed to align the interests of its employees and stockholders.” Zimmer is committed to research and development and the introduction of new products, the company said, adding that the factory closure in North Carolina, while difficult, “is in the best interest of the company’s stockholders.”

Pfizer declined to make an executive available to discuss its policy. But in a statement, the company said it “remains committed to returning capital to shareholders through share buybacks and dividend payments.”

As for the cut in research spending in February, Pfizer said it has “accelerated our research strategy and made important changes to concentrate our efforts to deliver the greatest medical and commercial impact.”

In a conference call with analysts this month, Pfizer’s chief executive, Ian C. Read, said his company would “continually look” for acquisitions that would increase revenue growth. But in deciding how to use the proceeds from recent asset sales, he said “the case to beat is share repurchase.”

Financial institutions, which bought back huge amounts of stock over the last decade at share prices far higher than they are today, do not seem to have learned their lesson either. JPMorgan Chase, for example, spent $4.4 billion repurchasing shares in the third quarter even as its stock fell more than 25 percent.

Jamie Dimon, the bank’s chief executive, actually apologized for the move last month, conceding: “It would have been wise to wait. We’re sorry.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/22/business/rash-to-some-stock-buybacks-are-on-the-rise.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print
 Shannon_1981
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Posted: 11/22/2011 11:03:13 AM
I have started a petition to stop the City of Charlotte, NC from enacting city ordinances aimed at occupy protesters. The proposed ordinances include but are not limited to the following:

-no camping/gathering on city property, ie, streets and parks.
-nothing that could be used to obstruct, like tape or ropes to rope off an area.
- no demonstrating in areas that are deemed high traffic(this is pretty much the entire city of Charlotte).

Please sign!
http://www.change.org/petitions/stop-charlotte-city-ordinances-against-the-occupy-movement-prevent-city-ordinances-aimed-at-occupy-charlotte
 matchlight
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Posted: 11/22/2011 11:05:56 AM
^^^^^I'm not sure how much the city leaders there will care about the views of people who can't vote for them. But good luck.
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 718
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Posted: 11/22/2011 12:43:24 PM
Oh Irish, I luv ya, but you missed the best part! The cake part!

Now while those stock options are figured as part of his(CEO) compensation package, they are figured on "face value". Face value is the price they are optionable at.

So there are different ways different companies use to determine this. The well run companies use a formula of averaging the year earler price and that becomes the strike(or optionable)price of the options.

Others can use a variety of ways to discount the price from the average. Either by limiting the time (year versus a set quarter), discount from the yearly average, to make it more attractive for executives to stay. Or other variations.

So say his optionable price is set at $20 a share, and the buyback is frontloaded in a given year. If the stock is trading at $19 and the total buyback takes place in the first quarter, usually to coincide with new money coming into mutual funds from retirement accounts(401k or IRA's), not only will those funds be buying but the company will as well.

That can push the price of the stock up to ??? Who knows, 25, 27, 29? So then the executive depending on restrictions,(usually just a notice of intent to exercise and sell) with some restrictions on who he can sell to. The executive can make 20, 26 or almost 50% more than the compensation committee recognized.

All the while still laying off those folks, and instead of reinvesting in plants or R&D, they hit their forward earning numbers by reducing the number of shares outstanding.

Now who is in charge of this? Why the CFO controls the buyback. You know the buddy of the CEO, usually the guy who hired him. Nice huh?
 timetogo3223
Joined: 9/29/2011
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Posted: 11/22/2011 1:02:25 PM

A group of OWS hiked from Zuccoti Park to Washington DC. I believe they have made it there for that very reason casper.


Probably made it there faster than Amtrak, the Fed government's idea of a bullet train.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 11/22/2011 1:06:40 PM
http://www.pfizer.com/files/investors/corporate/2011_pac_report.pdf

So is this good or bad? If you believe the doc

The
Pfizer PAC is an employee‐run
organization with a Steering
Committee made up of Pfizer
employees from different
divisions of the company. All
corporate PACs are funded by
voluntary employee
contributions



Revenues: Contributions
Payroll Deductions 631,714.37 631,714.37
Cash 23,935.00 23,935.00
Interest 17.57 17.57
Refunds from Candidates 1,051.95 1,051.95
Other (Ret Checks Prior Cycle) 10,300.00 10,300.00
Total Revenues 667,018.89 667,018.89


Now correct me if I am mistaken. Your solution is to tax the profits and give it to pretty much the same people on this list to distibute to services you would like to recieve?
 timetogo3223
Joined: 9/29/2011
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Posted: 11/22/2011 1:08:49 PM
Bigbad

From today's NYT's...


Uh, this paste job is a little big more than "fair use". I hope you have NYTs permission. It's only "fair". Or somebody plans to pay the NYT for the article's use. Posters have been sued for less. Just a head's up.
A big DEMOTICON for you!
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
Msg: 722
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Posted: 11/22/2011 1:18:30 PM
Hey Irish, while we're laying out all the bogey men, why don't we talk "Spinning"?

Now if you luv stock options, your gonna luv this!

Spinning is the practice of giving shares of known "hot" IPO's to executives of potential or actual clients of banking firms. Supposedly abandoned now(yeah right), it is when say the executives of a company like GM, GE, or other major company, who routinely uses the banking services of investment banks fo bond offerings, stock offernings or takeovers are offered shares in these impossible to get IPO's.

The broker calls the executive, offers him or her say 500 or 1,000 shares in a hot IPO that joe average can't get for his personal brokerage account. Usually the demand is so high the price will spike up on the first day of trading. One recent example was Groupon, where the intial IPO price was $20 a share, it opened on the first day at 28 and sold as high as 33. Or a few years ago Google where the intial IPO price was $72 and traded much higher the first day and more a week later.

Especially prominent in the dot.com days when companies prices routinely doubled, tripled or more the first day of trading. So the brokerage firm out of the goodness of their hearts call these executives to offer them (personally) shares in these hot IPO's,then the executive flips them back out on the market for a 1 or 2 or sometimes 300% profit.

Of course the brokerage firm expects the company mister executive works for to use them for their next big investment banking deal. Earning the firm millions, the executive thousands, if not tens of thousands all for being in his job.

Mean while joe blow, investor with 100K or less in his account can't get 100 shares, he's told it's over subscribed and there are none available to him, poor schmuck.

Of course when this was pointed out the executives said "who me? Gee I just saw a good investment" and the broker said " I was just trying to service a good client", when the guy traded ONLY in deals like this anytime he DID trade.

The answer? The accounts moved to his wife or cousin, so avoid suspicion.

Gotta luv the game! Hahahahahaha!



edit to add: What am I dealing with bo-peep? Hahahaha!

"PAC is an employee organization with a steering committee made up of Pfizer employees for different divisions of the company."

Now who do you think selects that steering committee? The rank and file? Oh yeah, they are gonna vote to give money to some blowhard politician, instead of keeping a plant open by not having a PAC.

I'd be fairly sure that PAC functions just like the one at Goldman Sachs, you get to give so much of your earnings or your off the promotion list and your bonus is cut.

Like I said Bo-peep! Hahahahaha!
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
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Posted: 11/22/2011 1:19:06 PM

Uh, this paste job is a little big more than "fair use". I hope you have NYTs permission. It's only "fair". Or somebody plans to pay the NYT for the article's use. Posters have been sued for less. Just a head's up.


Complain or report me...or better yet, look up the posting rules...
 timetogo3223
Joined: 9/29/2011
Msg: 724
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Posted: 11/22/2011 1:27:07 PM
bigbad...



Complain or report me...or better yet, look up the posting rules...


Nope, I'm not a snitch, like SOME I know.

Posting rules have nothing to do with copyright infringement. I thought that it only "fair" that the NYTs should be paid for more than "fair use". Lib-Progs are all about fairness, don't cha know?
 BigBadNIrish
Joined: 1/31/2011
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Posted: 11/22/2011 1:56:16 PM

Posting rules have nothing to do with copyright infringement


Somehow it appears that you're opining on another issue you've no clue about. Funny thing that article can be posted to my facebook page, I can twitter it, I can email it, I can share it with whomever I choose...and the thing is...I can do this all from the NYT's page...I don't know...but, with all that they have no problem with me doing...perhaps reprinting the article here in the forums giving credit where credit is due...is perhaps enough for them...
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