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 Aries_328
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Like I said Bo-peep! Hahahahaha!


Yep. Now don't forget. Everyone pay attention. It's your money that this company is taking and then returning back to those officials you voted for. So, now that your Shepard has arrived and knows better you should all pay attention. Take the money from the companies’ profits and return it to the government officials that you voted for so they can gladly return it back with services. It all works perfectly. Because, never forget. You’re all just sheep and only the special few really understand what is going on so please just don't even try to hurt your brains. Just pay your taxes.
 timetogo3223
Joined: 9/29/2011
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Posted: 11/22/2011 3:28:06 PM
bigbad....



Somehow it appears that you're opining on another issue you've no clue about. Funny thing that article can be posted to my facebook page, I can twitter it, I can email it, I can share it with whomever I choose...and the thing is...I can do this all from the NYT's page...I don't know...but, with all that they have no problem with me doing...perhaps reprinting the article here in the forums giving credit where credit is due...is perhaps enough for them...


Yeah, I'm sure. Still I won't snitch on YOU.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 11/22/2011 10:44:20 PM
here timetogo

your not saying that there are people on here who snitch (or the uk word grass, as in whispering grass) are you? lol

its been mentioned on the uk forums about groups of shrieking harpies
roaming the forums trying to find something, anything to be offended about.

but im the same as you mate i wouldnt be a pc stasi sneaky tell tale snitch.
now the protest has been going on a while now but can any of the pro
ows folk on here say what they have actually achieved?

they barely make the news over here in the uk although there are a few citys
with protestors.

meanwhile in spain the heirs of general franco are on the rise
http://www.marxist.com/spain-elections-socialist-party-trounced-right-wing-government-face-acute-crisis.htm (forget the marxist spin they were slapped good style by the francoistas)

ladies and gentlemen the future is above, not the ows protestors
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 11/23/2011 1:20:24 AM
i would say that was true frankster

european conservatism is vastly different from american conservatism

but someone mentioned in a previous post that the ows protestors will
one day have a 'leader' someone to harness that voice and as sure as day
follows night europe will find 'leaders' who will take consevatism and combine
it with populist nationalism

as umberto bossi has, as haider did in austria, marine le pen in france and
that is where change will come in europe. not a lot of trustafarians living
in tents stopping folk going about their daily business

what the protestors in europe either dont or dont want too see is that
immigration is THE time bomb that will explode and cause outbreaks
of violence that will make the wall street slap on the heads seems like
play fighting
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
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Posted: 11/23/2011 7:43:35 AM

european conservatism is vastly different from american conservatism

As demonstrated by the actions of the recently elected Spanish conservatives. Virtually the first thing they did was nationalize a bank.

American conservatives can only find their ideological partners in military juntas and Islamic authoritarian regimes.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 11/23/2011 12:09:26 PM
I'm sorry,

All I get from this stuff anymore is just "pure hatred"

That has to be it. Even people that don't like each other can at least remain somewhat civil and have some ability to respect others positions.

It's only blind hatred where every word demonizes.
 OyVay...
Joined: 7/15/2011
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Posted: 11/23/2011 12:09:55 PM
Well one thing they share is the desire to stop part of the population from voting!

The mullahs only want those who embrace their brand of religious fervor.

The consrvatives in 16 states want to limit who can vote. Their new rallying cry is "if you can't beat em, don't let em vote in the first place!"
 Aries_328
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Posted: 11/23/2011 12:21:08 PM
?? Seriously? Limiting votes to people with a Valid ID you correlate to religious fervor?

Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin and Gov. Rick Perry of Texas signed laws last week that would require each voter to show an official, valid photo ID to cast a ballot, joining Kansas and South Carolina.

I would ask you to explain but I don't think anything you can explain would make a bit of sense...

There is only one valid disagreement with this. However to have that disagreement you have to be very very old school republican limited government and against big brother... So... unless you radically changed your position you have no valid opposition to this. Well, other than obstruction.
 OyVay...
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Posted: 11/23/2011 12:36:55 PM
Funny you have a problem with this?

The most sacred thing in this country, is your vote. When you limit a person's "ability" to get said ID, you virtually eliminate his vote.

These laws proposed, ALL by republicans, require you to obtain special voter ID cards. NOT just normal valid ID's accepted by various government agencies. The offices to get them are inconvienently located, with limited hours.

Who does this impact most? The poor, the young, in other words most who would align with democrats. It's bad enough that both parties engagae in redistricting, drawing lines that don't make any sense based on where pockets of their supporters live. So as to slant the election in their favor.

Now if that isn't enough, let's set up a group of additional hurdles to limit voter turnout, unless it benefits you.

"I don't think anything you can explain would make a bit of sense"

Of course not, your with the wink wink crowd of "do whatever it takes to get our way or guy elected."

"Well, other than obstruction."

Well who is trying to obstruct a person from voting? There is your answer.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 11/23/2011 12:51:26 PM
This is the problem

You don't disagree with it. Your reasons for not supporting it are because it isn't republican enough?

You already know that asking for an ID to vote is not going to inconvenience many people. The poor, the sick, the mentally challenged, the old, etc. all most likely have an ID. Those that do not are not in sufficient numbers to impact the vote anyway...

You’re making it up just be in opposition.

If you have a valid opposition that isn't, “Because I think republicans are dishonest?" please state it.

You don't even know who, "my guy" would be. And I'm 99% sure he won't get elected anyway regardless.
 timetogo3223
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Posted: 11/23/2011 12:54:55 PM
Oy....



Who does this impact most? The poor, the young, in other words most who would align with democrats


Zakly. These are the people, to use Obama's favorite term, have "no skin in the game"; yet will gladly skin somebody else who has worked to accumulate something, by voting themselves an ever larger share of the Treasury.

Let's have voters voting who have real "skin" in the game, such as owning a piece of local dirt, and have an anchored interest in the community and country, who pay the property taxes and have to maintain a homestead. Maybe universal suffrage, one man one vote, is an idea that should be looked at again.

Let the hate begin....
 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
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Posted: 11/23/2011 1:25:07 PM
Okay I had a my espresso and One cannoli today so all is good .. back to the topic, Well I for one understand why the OWS protesters are angry and attempting to make a point but I think personally It sends the wrong message to the wrong people, making a point is one thing disrupting other peoples lives is another.

Yeah I can see there is a visceral anger, but those folks have no clear policy agenda, for the poster that said its a movement like Civil rights or the Viet nam war, well there was a least a leader, a voice, a clear policy agenda and a solution, the protesters on wall street march and protest but offer no solution .

All I see is incoherence from the Protesters for the most part , and also incoherence from the political end of the spectrum, there is no clear decisive view, no common ground from both parties, no ability to agree on a common agenda who prefers to yell and scream from the platforms vs sitting down together and hammering out some kind of deal to help the economy move forward.

I see for the moment Political paralysis at least in this presidential cycle, who knows what the next election will bring, I mentioned earlier the so call bailed out firms that took money from congress are in bed with members of congress and it was congress that started this mess in the first place.

Has anyone seen the financial reforms passed under Dodd/Frank? 2000 pages and most of it is unclear and most don't know what it means , so now you have a battle between Lobbyist , Lawyers, the court, bankers and regulators and its anyone guess what the outcome will be, these folks are muddling trough the reforms and the little guy is getting it so far up the ass, they can taste the shampoo the legislators used in the morning.

Look at the political posturing now, Democrats cozying up to the OWS crowd, the Republicans cozying up the Tea party crowd and so on and so on.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 11/23/2011 1:55:16 PM

Yeah I can see there is a visceral anger, but those folks have no clear policy agenda


Actually I am not so sure there isn't a very clear agenda. The issue is that the agenda is not something that easily applies depending on how one views the world.

OWS is liberalism. There is no clear voice because liberalism doesn't care about voice. It's about feelings. We must 'feel' equal and the way we achieve that is by expanding the definition of equality. We must 'feel' successful and to do that we must limit the definition of success. We must feel compassion and to do that we must limit everything that does not 'feel' compassionate enough.

Healthcare is a very real business with costs and expenses and lives of people working and being dependent and part of the industry as a whole. The current system sucks. There are many reasons why but I agree it sucks. Liberalism doesn't see the working components. It only 'feels' that the system sucks and the only answer is to hand it over to the government. I don't get it. I do not understand it. But apparently that is what is believed is the 'only' compassionate fix.

The problem I have with liberalism in general is exactly what you list with the financial reforms passed. Unclear, impossible to understand, muddling and makes you want to bang your head into a wall. That is what happens in politics and government. That is what everything turns into. Everyone knows it including the liberals. The problem is that I think they want to 'feel' that the government can do a good job. That overrides any sense of logic because the want to 'feel' it is right.

That's as much as I can determine because nothing else makes any sense. It sure as hell doesn't make sense that Wall St. is broken so we should take their money and give it to the government to spend it for us. Especially since, from what I can tell they also believe that the government is corrupt. Yet somehow government is the answer...

Maybe it is a genetic difference in thinking and that is why I cannot grasp the concept. I'm sure they will have no problem saying it’s just because I'm not smart enough to understand.
 BigBadNIrish
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Posted: 11/23/2011 2:07:04 PM

its a movement like Civil rights or the Viet nam war, well there was a least a leader, a voice, a clear policy agenda and a solution, the protesters on wall street march and protest but offer no solution .


There was a simple answer to the civil rights movement...equality.

There was a simple answer to the Viet Nam war...end it.

Please don't give me the simple answer for fixing wall street and the government...because believe me...if there were some Einstein would have already done it.
 OyVay...
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Posted: 11/23/2011 2:10:40 PM
Sorry cdn-ice, gotta brush aside your post for the moment, seems I have another brush fire to deal with. So let's give it a go shall we?

To my buddy aries, I have no idea who your "guy" is and frankly could care less!

"Because I think republicans are dishonest"

To say the least! Dispite the biggest financial meltdown in a 100 years, aren't they the one who refuse to raise taxes? Not taxes on all, who might be hurt, but the richest 1%? Aren't they the ones who wouldn't raise the debt ceiling, when it was done more than 10 times under Reagan and many time under Bush, earning us a downgrade in our financial rating? Aen't they the ones who have done less than any congress in our nations history, even on inocuous matters, just because it was a democratic initiative?

Why is it that the only states trying to change these voter laws are under republican control? If it was so good why haven't other states embraced it, not only the liberal ones but the ones with bipartisan groups in control?

Yes I am anti-republican, mostly because of Bush(shrub to me) and all the harm he caused and republicans BLATANTLY ignore all that and won't admit how bad it was. 2 unpaid for tax reductions, a city in ruin (NOLA/Katrina) with little progress to show for the time between, 2 unpaid for wars, urging his officials to turn their backs on regulation that resulted in the recession and home mortgage crisis. Then while all this was going on he took more vacation time than any president in history. Obama was critized for a week during the debt ceiling crisis, and another week. This other guys shrub was out to lunch for 8 YEARS!!

"Why is it considered hateful to ask for someones ID when voting?"

Good question Paul. Just like when we had to have voter registration drives in the south during the civil rights movements, because some would not let a black man or woman register, we need fair laws and the ability to apply them fairly.

By limiting where and when you can register, or by requiring things most would not have in the normal course of their lives, you can RIG who can vote or who can't. Millions of young voters who attend college, would vote where they attend. Many would not have birth certificates with them. They don't need them for school. Poor people sometimes have shoddy records, does that make them non-citizens? A little extra work will be required, but not if the registration place is open only monday to thursday 10 to 3, when they have to work to FEED THEIR FAMILIES! Guess it's hard for some of you to understand that's a hard choice, feed your family or register to vote.


Ah, finally we get to my last pal.

"Let's have voters who have real "skin" in the game, such as owning a piece of local dirt"

Well the constitution doesn't say that, now does it? I guess you would return to the world of plantations and slavery now wouldn't you? Some Americans will live their entire lives in apartments they rent and never own a piece of that dirt.

They grow up, get a job, pay taxes and yes, some even serve their country in the armed forces, some even die, so we all have the right to vote. Some kids fresh out of school join the military and will NEVER own a piece of dirt, being transfered from base to base serving their country and safeguarding YOUR freedom, but according to you they don't deserve a vote.

But not lets believe me, lets listen to someone else, lets hear the words of someone else.

Let's return to post# 535 of this forum and hear his words of wisdom.

"The only system that works is one that is "controlled" from the bottom up, and that is the one that allows the most freedom of choice amongst the greatest number. This is an organic system."

Gee, I wonder who could have said that? Hahahahahahaha!
 Aries_328
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Posted: 11/23/2011 2:17:05 PM

what happened EVERY time, is that a totalitarian regime took over


The only thing I have left is hope that we are not at this point yet. In college one of my assignments was to think of a way in which, in America today, it would be possible to have a reoccurrence of Hitler.

The point of the exercise was to see how it would be possible to demonize a class of people to such an extent that even good people would be willing to see them 'disappear.'

At the time I did my paper, late 80's, the only class of people I could think of that would be easy to get people to hate were gang members. It never occurred to me that it would be so easy to throw up 'bankers' and drop it straight back on Jewish people. It didn't seem even remotely possible. Almost everyone I work with is very liberal. I have many people around me that are openly Socialist. There are a few of us that are not and it can get quite uncomfortable. I don't see it as unthinkable anymore. I'm seeing it as getting to the point of being inevitable.

What I worry about... is the day the military takes its position. OWS thinks police with rubber bullets are the enemy...
 Cdn_Iceman
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Posted: 11/23/2011 2:22:18 PM
There is no simple solution on fixing Wall street and government, read what you said earlier
Simple answer to Civil rights was Equality
Simple answer to Women rights Was equality
simple answer to VietNam End it, no arguments there

There is NO simple answer to fixing the financial markets because American Politicians cant agree what the problem is , until you figure out what the problem is you cannot fix what you don't recognize as a problem. As mentioned earlier 2000 pages of financial reform under Dodd Frank and most cant understand it let alone interpret it, Look at basel II and III and the ass hole( jamie dimon) at JP Morgan chase is already looking at ways to circumvent Basel III, his response " I answer and am Responsible to my shareholders and my board" what does that tell you?

Sure you can say Tax the Fortune 500 companies, last time I checked America was home to 147 approx of the Fortune 500 companies, is the solution to tax them to the stone ages and then what they get pissed off and relocate their head offices to Asian Countries and other emerging markets? and guess what happens to those jobs and the communities around them?

Should we tax the Wealthy like some proposed to 90% which I think was before the Regan Administration came in ( correct me if im wrong), then they will keep their money over seas or tax friendly countries?

Should they add a value added tax, tax more of the bonuses , force the banks to lend and extend credit, what, what, what? what should they do?

Its not a simple problem and as I was saying before the OWS protesters are protesting the wrong people IMO. How do you stop a rattle snake from biting you , poke out his eyes? or cut off his head?
 BigBadNIrish
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Posted: 11/23/2011 2:27:34 PM

Sure you can say Tax the Fortune 500 companies, last time I checked America was home to 147 approx of the Fortune 500 companies, is the solution to tax them to the stone ages and then what they get pissed off and relocate their head offices to Asian Countries and other emerging markets? and guess what happens to those jobs and the communities around them?


Why would GE leave???...currently they're getting tax credits....while continuing to offshore jobs.

Heck, it seems that we can't even agree on whether the fix for wall street and government is simple or complex.
 Cdn_Iceman
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Posted: 11/23/2011 2:34:11 PM
You see what I mean Irish if we cant agree what makes you think the genius in Congress can agree? you see one problem, the government sees another, the state the GE is in sees one problem, the IRS sees another and shareholders think Immelt has brought no value to its shares? I know I wouldn't put a dime in GE, some of us thinks companies like GE is where you put your money if you want it die.


 SoBayNative
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Posted: 11/23/2011 2:46:55 PM
OWS is liberalism. There is no clear voice because liberalism doesn't care about voice. It's about feelings. We must 'feel' equal and the way we achieve that is by expanding the definition of equality. We must 'feel' successful and to do that we must limit the definition of success. We must feel compassion and to do that we must limit everything that does not 'feel' compassionate enough

Aries, you've summed it up perfectly. An interesting aside was the my Communist grandfather (I mean he lived in a co-op building, attended meetings, refused to own property because landlords were parasites, wouldn't have anyone work for him because that was almost akin to slavery etc.) always told my mother that it's easy to be generous when you don't have anything when talking about redistribution of wealth. He wasn't stupid, he just came from a country where there had been wealthy and peasants and really believed Socialism and Communism would be the fix. I'm sure if the OWS had worked their whole lives to build something they'd be less inclined to well, OWS...
 OyVay...
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Posted: 11/23/2011 2:58:31 PM
OK cdn-ice, back to our regularly scheduled discussion sans the inane.

No one is advocating a return to 90%, they are advocating a return to a few percentage points, back to where Clinton had them, a nick as it were, not a gouge.

As for jamie/JPM it's as I said many pages ago. We will adapt, we don't go away, the game is still played, you change the rules, we adapt to the new ones.

BUT this time, they took money from the government, they broke the law, not once but many times. ENFORCE THE LAWS! If someone breaks the law twice, the judge gives that individual a stiffer penalty, not the same or less of a slapon the wrist.

If banks move offshore, then forbid them the right to do business here. More banks will form here to take the business from those who flee. No one leaves a billion on the table, if they can find a way not to, they will comply, at least until congress gives them nother loop hole.

You want a start, get corporate money out of politics. Then politicians will start(we hope) to serve the people and no longer see special interests as the be all end all.

Create a fair business tax environment. Not one laden with loop holes bought and paid for by PAC's and lobbyists. Give them their tax holiday to bring money back on shore, but have penalties as well. If they don'tinvest the money back into their businesses in 24 months, they owe double the tax or more.

Devise a system where after 24 months, offshore retained income will be penalized, not only by taxes, but exempted from capital computations, and as part of stated earnings, since it was not returned to the parent company and thus can't be used for the purchase of goods or materials for the parent.

Look at the latest MF Global mess, if we had enforcement with teeth, being applied, would that have gotten as bad as it did? That hole in the company is bigger than the one that swallowed the titantic. Nobody saw it? Most if not all BD's go through periodic inspections annually if no bi anuualy by their SRO and SEC. You need to fill out Focus reports monthly, signed by the CFO, nobody saw 500 million missing?

This had to be fraud. Why hasn't that vampire from goldman Corzine said a word since he resigned?

THIS is why people want to burn the system down, it doesn't work, the laws in place aren't being enforced.

You may not like my ideas, you make poke holes in them, BUT SOMEBODY HAS TO DO SOMETHING!
 Cdn_Iceman
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Posted: 11/23/2011 3:26:18 PM
ahhhh oy vay, so who decides what is fair for the businesses to pay?
Corporations are taking advantage of the tax laws in the tax code, what then?
What about American companies employing the " double Irish tax strategy?" and other loopholes?

Are you proposing a tax on the cash on the balance sheet of a corporation? some of your ideas does have merit, but it would take a politician with big balls and not financed by corporations, banks etc.

Some Politician with balls , should challenge the Supreme court decision regarding making a corporation a person and getting around the campaign financing regulations IMO.
 Aries_328
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Posted: 11/23/2011 3:57:44 PM

THIS is why people want to burn the system down, it doesn't work, the laws in place aren't being enforced.

You may not like my ideas, you make poke holes in them, BUT SOMEBODY HAS TO DO SOMETHING!


Holy %&(@%. You said something I agree with.

The first sentence.... "The laws in place aren't being enforced!" Please, consider that sentence. It is immeasurably important and to the very basic point of the problems.

I'm going to back up for a second to basic broad American views. Not the current specific people in charge but the basic ideology.

Limited republic government with (almost free) capitalism. It can only work if the existing laws are enforced. Ignore the funding of the government and assume there is sufficient funding to enforce the laws. It is a much simpler case to deal with and take out a corrupt business then it is to deal with a corrupt government.

What you are seeing is a lack of enforcement. The capitalist business that runs amok as you’re pointing out is occurring because existing laws are not enforced. That is not a corruption of capitalism that is a corruption of government and not enforcing the law.

So how is punishing the corporation and expanding government influence ever going to resolve that corruption?


BUT SOMEBODY HAS TO DO SOMETHING

But that doesn't mean somebody has to do 'Anything' just to do 'something'. The source of the problem is not capitalism. It is the corruption of government. That is why there should be term limits and severe campaign reform. The whole concept of spending a billion dollars on an election campaign should be held as near treason. Restrict the influence of capitalism on the candidates. It’s public service and not a lifestyle.

Legal reform and clearing out the insidious regulations that make running even a small business unbearable. And doing it with a freaking conscience so it doesn't mean that just because someone builds a factory doesn't mean they get to spew out waste into the environment. Just enforce what exists.

Knocking Bank of America out of business (or any other large entity) does nothing. Expanding a government that ignores enforcement does nothing.

When you turn it around and blame the government for lacking enforcement it is literally a few elections away from resolving. When you blame the people governed you’re at war.
 OyVay...
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Posted: 11/23/2011 4:00:17 PM
The only thing politicians have balls for is to lie and give themselves raises! I honestly think you must have your balls removed before you run for office!

Who decides what's fair for corporate taxes? That's a tough one, probably a lot better minds than mine on that score. Certainly lower than now, but with less exemptions(like oil depletion) and loop holes. Yes close the Irish tax strategy, along with others that allow them special interest exemptions pushed through in earlier times no longer applicable.

No I'm not proposing a tax on balance sheets, if taxes are paid properly that would be double taxation. But when a company offshores income, without bringing it into the USA and declaring it, then use it to purchase materials, which the parent deducts as the cost of producing a product, they are guilty of tax evasion.

If you make something that costs $5 and sell it for $10, you owe tax on $5. When you sell it overseas, keep the money there, but use the profit in your profit statement, as a US corporation you are lying and commiting tax evasion. Until the money is returned, there has to be some penalty for that.

As for the Supreme Court, no a law must be enacted that declares a corporation an individual entity, not a person. Then we can get them out of the political system. Unfortunately like crack addicts, you can't expect congress to do it, especially with the 2 parties that run our govenrment. Maybe this needs to be put on the ballot as a referendum as a constitutional amendment, only the people not the addicts to PAC money will have the balls to do this.
 OyVay...
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Posted: 11/23/2011 4:44:33 PM
"Holy%&(@%> You said something I agree with."

"Please consider that sentence. It is immeasurably important and to the very basic point of the problem."

Ya know, this is why I need a drink and some drugs, not neccessarily in that order. Perhaps if I say it slower and more basically, some will grasp my concepts.

Way back in my post #711 which so many chose to gloss over and grasp only certain facts. We can finally understand what I am saying.

You quickly answered in post#713 defending the people running these corporations.

If corporations were viewed as individual entities, THEN the people running them could be prosecuted for individual crimes as opposed to one entity, defended by a phalanx of lawyers.

When Bank of America or any number of these financial companies commit violations of the same statute, they are negoiated with by the regulating entity of government. As are the people who run them.

If you steal a car, they will give you 1 to 5 years, steal a second and it will probably be 5 to 7 years, steal a third and you are a habitual offender and could serve life.

Bank America broke the same law 7 times in 5 years. You wouldn't have been out on your first theft yet. It was the same people running the bank, the same executives, why were they not punished? Because the bank settled all claims under their name.

Yet you can't see these people have no morals? They broke the law, said so what and did it 6 more times, THAT WE KNOW OF! Does that sound moral to you? They paid their fine with stockholders money, gave themselves a bonus and kept right on a truckin.

Who got screwed? Well the people they broke the law against. The people of this country who bailed them out. The stockholders who's money went to pay the fine and the blood sucking lawyers who defended them.

There should be legal penalties, that officers of a corporation who allow such recividist behavior to continue should GO TO JAIL! Then forfeit any compensation, bonus and stck options AND pay their own damn legal fees.

But the laws are inadequate, the people charged with changing them won't, there is pressure exerted on the regulators by said lawmakers to slap them on the wrist.

Now yes, the government needs to change, the laws need to change, the punishment needs to change, BUT that does NOT excuse the people running those corporations or make them moral.

Can you get it now?

edit to add: Paul try and keep up. What you do, how you register looks nothing like the changes they wish to make in these states where the republicans control the governorship and the state congress. Further I don't know where you get your news, but I doubt you're in the 1% their talking about. The 1% of top income earners, this must be coming from your misinformation tea party crowd or it's the fumes from the weed you smelled.

Only if he lets the Bush tax cuts expire, because the stupid republicans won't let him raise the taxes on that top 1% of American earners. If that happens, it's because your republican pals and grover norquist wouldn't let taxes go up any other way.

Now I gotta go get that glass of vodka, and I wish I had some of that weed paul is always b1tchin about!
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