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 timetogo3223
Joined: 9/29/2011
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Sweet...




<div class="quote">Sweet -- You really need to crack open the history books. Download one on that computer or iPad or whatever, you know the thing not made by a collective but used by drum bangers everywhere, who are unaware that the product is the result of a capitalist effort.


Actually, history books were and are typically made by intellectuals who disavow to capitalistic values. Most history books were originallyl designed by scholars, monks, and religious sorts.

Wickepedia, which is seen as the source of history and info by millions, was a free, and collective, service....for many many years.

Wiki is an interesting source, but like everything else, it has to be verified.


<div class="quote">and not our famous, hard-hitting reporters in the US....
Sarcasm. It is a joke, as are the media here.



<div class="quote">Do you work for Fox News by chance? (I hate Fox news, love Fox sports)

They who hit the hardest are correct?

Do you work for MSNBC? Hey, you see what you want to see.

As far as the Occupiers being on the same side as the Tea Party....no. The Occupiers might have one or two points in common, like no bailouts for banks, but that is it. Otherwise, they want everything for nothing and will most certainly be in the Obama camp if they are not too stoned to find a voting booth Nov 2012. This is most certainly a George Soros, Moveon.org, Obama election strategy. It will eventually peter out, as they do not have "skin" in the game. They can protest all they want, but just don't interfere with ordinary "folks" (an Obamaism) who have to get around in a city.

Ice... right about Washington creating the mess that led to the entire financial meltdown, and which will guarantee another one sooner rather than later.

I didn't miss the "began" part, but the on-going giddiness of the media in their coverage is sad. Maybe you need to switch from Google News as well. Google is very establishment, so what do you expect? Without VC funds they would not be gobbling up the entire world.
 kari135
Joined: 9/1/2009
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Posted: 10/10/2011 9:59:11 AM

Maybe some of these protesters protesting on wall Street should actually get together and protest on capital hill/Washington, why do you think the bozo's on Wall Street gets away with the things they get away with?

What will protesting on Wall street do? brings attentions to them but so what? its the idiots in Congress that comes up with the silly rules and regulations that allows the bozo's on wall street to prosper and f ucks the little people and main street.

DC is on the list. There are approximately 1,000 Occupy groups in cities across the US, and the number is growing.
 Casper66
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Posted: 10/10/2011 11:53:50 AM
Well from the reports I've seen on the news there is certainly some confusion about what "Occupy Wall Street" message really is but I do understand the frustration behind it. We have watched over the years corporations devaluing employees, closing plants to move them overseas to get cheap labour and lax environmental/safety regulations in order to widen their profit margin at the expensive of average working class people. We have seen government pass laws and deregulate existing laws to benefit corporations and allowed wall street greed to balloon out of control, then expected the taxpayers to bail them out after making risky business decisions that failed in the end. When the automotive industry was bailed out to save jobs, it was very different, they were given loans that had to be paid back to the government. The banks were given taxpayer money with no restrictions on how it was to be used and how it was to be paid back, the assets of these CEOs and boards should have been seized as collateral on the money as a loan not a gift and now we hear how that money was used on bonuses, not even given to the individuals who lost jobs and their investments due to the banks'd risky behaviour.
I think it is a good idea for people to demonstrate and let wall street and the government know they are not doing a good job and that people are tired of it.
 Coyotefeller
Joined: 8/1/2005
Msg: 79
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Posted: 10/10/2011 1:39:53 PM

But, a few Trillion bucks here and there
eventually adds up to real money.


Especially when you consider that if you add
up all the Gold in Fort Knox together with what
the Federal Reserve has stashed away, it all
doesn't even add up to $1 Billion ....even at
todays inflated Gold prices!
....Just to give an idea of the enormous amount of
our national wealth that has been pissed away in
the passed few years!....with absolutely NO result
to the peoples well being! (except for a few of the 1%,
and maybe some of the not so honest officials in
charge of pissing away all these $$)
 SweetLilGTP
Joined: 10/22/2010
Msg: 80
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Posted: 10/10/2011 1:53:31 PM
'where rich people pay other rich people to convince the middle class to blame the poor people.'




Aint that the truth.


Wiki is an interesting source, but like everything else, it has to be verified


More truth

The Occupiers might have one or two points in common, like no bailouts for banks, but that is it.


-How about the disdain for money over morality?
-How about changing the values that the USA was built on, for simply, the love of money?
-How about backing any cause with money, including abortion, as long as there is a buck to be made?
-How about sponsoring business in Mexico, or India; over backing good ole USA born and run companies....for the love of money

That's wall street mate.

Noone ever chose to work on wall street or to become an investmen banker to better society, or retain much loved and respected values.

They join....to get money.

I didn't miss the "began" part, but the on-going giddiness of the media in their coverage is sad. Maybe you need to switch from Google News as well. Google is very establishment,


I agree.

Any one news source, if its your nly source of info, will mislead you and bias you eventually. right now I think Al Jazeera is the best (meaning: most unbiased) news agency because it uses reporters from all outlets and all countries; regardless of hwat side of wars or which side of political floors they may occupy.

Even our typically non biased "Globe and Mail' is smitten with bias now.
 kari135
Joined: 9/1/2009
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Posted: 10/10/2011 2:29:17 PM

Any one news source, if its your nly source of info, will mislead you and bias you eventually. right now I think Al Jazeera is the best (meaning: most unbiased) news agency because it uses reporters from all outlets and all countries; regardless of hwat side of wars or which side of political floors they may occupy.

Even our typically non biased "Globe and Mail' is smitten with bias now.

What I said, I think, is that I start with Google News, not that it was my only source. I also like Al Jazeera. And I really miss the old days of usenet when anyone with a computer could read dispactches that were sent from all over the world, many of which never made it into print. Reuters was a good one for that. The RSS feeds just aren't the same.

I mentioned Google News in the first place because it's fairly representational of the major media around the US. I've also noticed that even though I'm signed in, it's very spotty about what it wants to let me add to my watch list. Some things - no problem at all. Others, it wants me to sign in again - and I'd have to sign out to do that - and it still won't allow some subjects to be followed.
 timetogo3223
Joined: 9/29/2011
Msg: 82
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Posted: 10/10/2011 5:19:20 PM
Well, the 99% Occupiers spent the rush hour in Chicago blocking Michigan Avenue, inconveniencing the real 99% of the schlubs who do not bang on drums. Power to the people, right on! This is the way to win friends and influence people, oh yeah!
 timetogo3223
Joined: 9/29/2011
Msg: 83
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Posted: 10/10/2011 5:27:55 PM
Sweet...



-How about the disdain for money over morality?
-How about changing the values that the USA was built on, for simply, the love of money?
-How about backing any cause with money, including abortion, as long as there is a buck to be made?
-How about sponsoring business in Mexico, or India; over backing good ole USA born and run companies....for the love of money


Your "truths" are from your point of view. The problem with these truths, as you state, is that the demonstrators want the very government that sponsors the problems to be the solutions to the problems. They want cradle to grave care and believe that they should beggar their neighbor for it. You may trust the Obama or the Bush foxes to guard the hen house, but the results of the last 70 years of wealth transfer and government encroachment on the daily lives of people has led to the hens being still born. These drum bangers will gladly give up their security for their freedom, and, in the end, will have neither.
 SweetLilGTP
Joined: 10/22/2010
Msg: 84
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Posted: 10/10/2011 5:54:22 PM
Hu?

We jumped logic here.

Do you not agree that Wall Street is:

-Money over morality?
-Ok with changing the values that the USA was built on, for simply, the love of money?
-How about backing any cause with money, including abortion, as long as there is a buck to be made?
-How about sponsoring business in Mexico, or India; over backing good ole USA born and run companies....for the love of money.

I dont care about Republicans or Democrats; because they are ALSO at the whim of Wall Street.....are they not?


<div class='quote'>You maytrust the Obammas or the bushes to guard the henhouse

Ya gotta trust someone.

With that being said; I never ever trust someone with my OWN interests 100%

THAT..is irresponsible.


<div class='quote'>is that the demonstrators want the very government that sponsors the problems to be the solutions to the problems

Didnt Obamma propose a tax on the most wealthy? (Many who would be found on Wall Street?)

That sure doesnt sound like supporting the problem to me.

Wall Street IS the problem; as far as a problem for the sake of discussion here. They lose money, then charge the public to refill the coffers. Isnt that beggering off of neigbours.

Isnt that where all the problems happened?
 Earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
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Posted: 10/10/2011 5:59:09 PM
Are ya fuggin serious? We spent most of the Oh Ohs...2000 to 2008 tossing away freedom for Homeland Security, and got neither. The "drum bangers" were protesting this transfer of freedom for "security", long before the half black guy carried forth the Military Industrial Complex inertia of the Bush regimes. True that Obama was in over his head and turned into a moderate conservative, but the silence of the far right was telling, condescending and complicit while the previous administration was trashing the consitution, Bill of Rights, and international conventions. Bunch of skeeredycats, wimped out, put the Chinese magnets on their SUVs, hated the Dixie Chicks, screamed for blood of dissidents and anyone left of extreme white/Right, and then complain a decade later? You lost your rights to be holier than thou on Constituional and Rights issues by being such wimps and Patridiots during that pillage and rape of the nation. Everything rings hollow now. Consistency would be a nice thing at this point. Hate the half white prince all you want, but at least acknowledge the Nazi grandson of the Bush/Prescott regimea that sold the nation out to the highest bidders.
 Cdn_Iceman
Joined: 12/1/2010
Msg: 86
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Posted: 10/10/2011 6:14:30 PM
As much as Im not a fan of Wall Street, I dont blame them entirely either, they are following the rules laid out by the idiots in Congress, The feds are a creature of Congress , special interests groups in bed with whom?? say it with me The Government......

If I was a C.E.O of a financial institution getting my balls broken by Shareholders on my right, the Board on the left, Congress telling me " you're the financial hub of a America show the world American banks are strong" here are the rules in YOUR favor, but dont worry if you f uck up we will bail you out , what do you expect?

You want change, change the people in Government, protest against them? put pressure on them change wont happen unless one person tells one other person and tells another person and so and so on and so on.

Picketing wall Street does nothing, the shareholders are putting the pressure on the bozo's on wall street, find out who the major shareholders are and picket them.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
Msg: 87
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Posted: 10/10/2011 7:26:44 PM
The "rules" that Wall Street followed were the ones they had spent decades lobbying for. There's a lot of money of Wall Street; money has a way of making sure that the legislation you want passed, gets passed.

Yeah, Wall Street is to blame. Just look at the push back from the relatively small improvements Obama tried to bring in. Elizabeth Warren withdrew her name from nomination since it was clear Wall Street didn't want anyone that competent having any say in what they did. And the Senators they bought were going to make sure she didn't get it.
 timetogo3223
Joined: 9/29/2011
Msg: 88
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Posted: 10/10/2011 8:41:29 PM
Who has stolen more from the American public in the last 50 years, since Johnson's Great Society, Wall Street or Government?

Wall Street was bailed out and it is criminal. Government has taken trillions from millions and given it to millions. That is criminal too. Worse, Wall Street can be legislated to, for and against. Government cannot be reigned in. The mopes on the street will trust a GS-14 with their lives not understanding that they are, indeed, useful idiots in the consolidation of central power to the state.

The police state that has generated over the years is the result of both parties bowing to the wishes of drum bangers over the years wanting security for freedom. Just today Gov. Moonbean Brown has okayed warantless cellphone searches. Those of you who are still blaming Bush for this, need to examine Obama's record on his attack on the freedoms of the American citizen.

This Occupy-This group is bound to fail in their demands (whatever they really are), because of their lack of respect for their fellow citizens. Blocking rush hour traffic and storming the A&S Museum and causing damage is a poor demonstration of democratic ideals, which they profess.

Useful idiots. Lenin would be proud.
 Earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
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Posted: 10/11/2011 1:27:06 AM
The first incident of "storming the A&S museum" was done by an agent provacateur from The American Spectator who bragged about infiltration to try to discredit the Occupy WS movement.
The second "storming" incident was done by Veterans, protesting the Drone exhibit. The VFP press release on that incident states,


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE October 8, 2011

Contact: Mike Ferner 314-337-8871 Gene Marx 253-653-4423

Veterans For Peace issues the following statement from Freedom Plaza, Washington D.C., 6pm Saturday October 8.

Approximately 50 members of Veterans For Peace participated in a march this afternoon from Freedom Plaza to the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum on the National Mall. The museum was featuring an exhibit on unmanned drone bombers that a group of about 250 people from the October2011.org encampment at Freedom Plaza intended to protest.

The marchers ascended the museum steps, chanting, “When drones fly, children die.”

They opened the doors at one of the three entrances, and when that entryway became full, they went to the second and third entrances.

VFP Acting Director Mike Ferner said, “I was at the first entranceway, holding the door open for people to enter. I saw a police or security officer in a white shirt hold his hands up, telling people to stop. The marchers continued and the officer began pepper-spraying everyone. From everything I saw until that moment, there was no reason for the pepper-spraying. The door of the museum clearly said “free admission.” It did not say “Free admission if you are quiet” or “Free admission unless you have opinions contrary to government policy.’

“This was a clear abuse of authority and a use of force far beyond what was called for. Our members are consulting with National Lawyers Guild attorneys who are working with the october2011.org encampment.”

“We are aware that one of the marchers shoved aside one of the officers. We do not condone this behavior.”

Veterans For Peace is one of several groups organizing the October2011.org encampment. VFP is an organization composed of U.S. military veterans from WWII, the Korean War, Vietnam, Persian Gulf, Afghanistan, and Iraq wars and every period in between.


It appears that the people most hateful of the Occupy Wallstreet Movement are in need of calling those in the streets Commies and Socialists. As long as labeling is needed, please harken back to the Tea Party Protests, what they stood for, and then consider them in context with Fascism.




Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

From Liberty Forum

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_constitution&Number=642
109&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1&t=-1
 IgorFrankensteen
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Posted: 10/11/2011 4:37:32 AM
The real irony is, that BOTH the right AND the left have expressed the same anger at the big money going to the guys who lost ours with their banking/loan scams.

It reminds me a little, of how way back in the 70's, both the left AND the right got angry when busing was chosen by many state governments as a way to combat racism and separatist tendencies. Just as now, only a few side observers managed to see that both groups were actually on the same side. Then as now, the Right insisted that when THEY protested it, they were all about freedom, but when the left protested it, that they were all about selfishness, communism, and government interference with personal liberty.


By the way, from what I read, the right-wing lug-head who celebrated his infiltration of the "occupy" group, did not actually LEAD the invasion of the Smithsonian, he just joined in, and thereby encouraged others to follow suit. he's far from being either admirable or blameless, but I don't think it would be accurate to say that he CAUSED that particular act to occur.

I DO remember that back in the heady protest days of the 60's and 70's, that there were MANY cases where the right, or more commonly the paranoid government (in the form of the FBI) OFTEN snuck into protest groups, and DID do what ever they could to actively agitate for more criminal activity. So such entrapment behavior has been around for a long time.
 timetogo3223
Joined: 9/29/2011
Msg: 91
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Posted: 10/11/2011 5:41:43 AM
earthpuppy...


*** "storming the A&S museum" was done by an agent provacateur from The American Spectator who bragged about infiltration to try to discredit the Occupy WS movement.
The second "storming" incident was done by Veterans, protesting the Drone exhibit. The VFP press release on that incident states,***

And you accept this at face value? Would you accept the same from members of the Tea Party. How about the alleged "spitting on members of Congress", which is always brought up but never proven?

Regardless, it is not a magazine or a veterans group that was responsible for blocking traffic during rush hour in Chicago, nor is it veterans or magazine scribblers who have assaulted police or have been arrested. It is not the same who are going to march to homes of corporation CEO's.

It is okay, I think, for Occupy supporters to admit that, based on the Occupy demands, they agree with the concept that what is your neighbors should be yours, and taken from that neighbor by force of law. Hey, if it makes your life easier to take what you need from your neighbor, go for it. Just don't call it democracy.
 matchlight
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Posted: 10/11/2011 9:43:20 AM

It is okay, I think, for Occupy supporters to admit that, based on the Occupy demands, they agree with the concept that what is your neighbors should be yours, and taken from that neighbor by force of law.


I hope these specimens keep this up for a long time, and I hope this president and more of his colleagues make clear they support their efforts. Millions of undecided voters are watching, and they are getting to see that these people are communists at heart. It's only fitting that Mr. Obama should support them. He's always been fond of--even collaborated with--communists, from Frank Davis to Michael Klonsky to William Ayres to Bernadine Dohrn to Rashid Khalidi to Van Jones.
 lyingcheat
Joined: 9/13/2009
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Posted: 10/11/2011 10:01:32 AM

Millions of undecided voters are watching, and they are getting to see that these people are communists at heart. It's only fitting that Mr. Obama should support them. He's always been fond of--even collaborated with--communists, from Frank Davis to Michael Klonsky to William Ayres to Bernadine Dohrn to Rashid Khalidi to Van Jones.

Gosh, he's a communist collaborator too? As well as a muslim! And he wasn't even born in the good ol' US of A!
Is there no end to his black-hearted wickedness?
 matchlight
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Posted: 10/11/2011 10:20:57 AM
^^^^^I don't really care where he was born. And I doubt he's a Muslim. But his connections--and collaboration--with self-identified communists, throughout his life, are well documented. You can make what you will of them.
 lyingcheat
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Posted: 10/11/2011 10:40:40 AM

^^^^^I don't really care where he was born. And I doubt he's a Muslim. But his connections--and collaboration--with self-identified communists, throughout his life, are well documented. You can make what you will of them.

I make nothing of his alleged "connections--and collaboration--with self-identified communists", since the allegation is clearly just another vacuous smear in the same vein as the ones I mocked in my previous post.


Propaganda is a form of communication that is aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position so as to benefit oneself or one's group.

As opposed to impartially providing information, propaganda, in its most basic sense, presents information primarily to influence an audience. Propaganda is often biased, with facts selectively presented (thus possibly lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or uses loaded messages to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented. The desired result is a change of the attitude toward the subject in the target audience to further a political, or other type of agenda. Propaganda can be used as a form of political warfare.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda
 timetogo3223
Joined: 9/29/2011
Msg: 96
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Posted: 10/11/2011 12:32:05 PM
platofish...

Too bad the Tea Party has degenerated into a lot of Israel-first-ass-kissers or we'd have a real


Hmmm, didn't know they were drinking so much tea as to need a party north of the US border... and hating so many Jews, either. I guess Jew hating can be cross-boarder It's a very popular thing in the US with intellectuals and politicians in the US. You know these guys would love to see the yellow stars as a wardrobe pins and new tracks built to solar ovens.
 getanet
Joined: 6/10/2011
Msg: 97
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Posted: 10/11/2011 2:06:45 PM
I'm sure there is a lot of good posting in the preceeding pages. I'll just add a couple things:


I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks [THE FEDERAL RESERVE] to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.
Thomas Jefferson, (Attributed)
3rd president of US (1743 - 1826)


Smart man, that Jefferson was.

Also, via this same process, the activist Supreme Court has made all manner of decisions dating back to the late 1800's which did one key thing:

Removed corporate charters.

Corporations were never meant to be in existence as they are. All of the power, greed, corruption we see is because corporations (and the power families behind them) have grown well beyond their intended scope and duration. Corporations were once created with a set limit on their duration, and also their intended role. As we see with merger after merger, often skirting anti-trust regulations, the power of these corporations gets to be too influential. Competition is squashed. Government is bought and sold.
 Bladesmith81801
Joined: 10/30/2010
Msg: 98
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Posted: 10/11/2011 2:25:54 PM
"How about the alleged "spitting on members of Congress", which is always brought up but never proven?"

Time, you mean THIS one?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYRLeJw1aG8
 SweetLilGTP
Joined: 10/22/2010
Msg: 99
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Posted: 10/11/2011 4:26:50 PM
The real irony is, that BOTH the right AND the left have expressed the same anger at the big money going to the guys who lost ours with their banking/loan scams.




Too bad they are too pre-occupied with warring with the ever present "other side" to take any actions against the true enemey.

Last I checked; you were all Americans. (left AND right)

Then as now, the Right insisted that when THEY protested it, they were all about freedom, but when the left protested it, that they were all about selfishness, communism, and government interference with personal liberty.


In all fairness many also wrongly state that those on the more Conservative tilt are all about: money, big business, and rich vs poor; and that's not exactly true either. Both left and right stereotypes FIT...but only a select majority of those on either side

Smart man, that Jefferson was.


That is one American every person in the world should learn. (for all of our sakes) I believe the same for John Stuart Mill. :)
 timetogo3223
Joined: 9/29/2011
Msg: 100
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Posted: 10/11/2011 5:35:19 PM
Blade...




<div class="quote">Time, you mean THIS one?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYRLeJw1aG8

You've got an audio and a transcript of somebody, who does not identify himself, screaming a bunch of stuff. Do you know the identity of the caller? Do you have proof that this is a Tea Party member?

Same with the two old fossils who are supposed to be spitting, though it does not look like the way I've ever seen anybody spit -- do you know who they were?

This is the same BS that says that it is an infiltrator that led a demonstration on the A&S Museum. If one side can be "infiltrated", so can the other. It's a famous Saul Alinsky trick.

As of this evening more drum bangers have been arrested and now they are threatening private citizens by marching to their homes. Suppose the Tea Pary marched to Dr. Cornell Williams house? Bloody hell would be paid. Face it, these are mostly losers who want their neighbors to pay for their stuff so they don't have to. Period.
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