Notice: Forums will be shutdown by June 2019

To focus on better serving our members, we've decided to shut down the POF forums.

While regular posting is now disabled, you can continue to view all threads until the end of June 2019. Event Hosts can still create and promote events while we work on a new and improved event creation service for you.

Thank you!

Plentyoffish dating forums are a place to meet singles and get dating advice or share dating experiences etc. Hopefully you will all have fun meeting singles and try out this online dating thing... Remember that we are the largest free online dating service, so you will never have to pay a dime to meet your soulmate.
     
Show ALL Forums  > Science/philosophy  > megalithic construction      Home login  
 AUTHOR
 Ravenstar66
Joined: 8/27/2007
Msg: 53
view profile
History
megalithic constructionPage 3 of 17    (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17)
http://www.theforgottentechnology.com

This guy is doing something very interesting
 qedeshim
Joined: 4/18/2008
Msg: 54
view profile
History
megalithic construction
Posted: 10/13/2011 2:46:20 PM
Well very interesting but maybe one should, instead of looking closely at things sit back a bit and take a look at what we are, extrapolate what we were and came from.

In Flores, Indonesia proto humans lived there between 500,000 and nearly a million years ago. Its a tiny island, BUT not easy to get to. One has to cross water, which sadly is a oceanic trench, so cannot walk there even at height of ice age. Connects the Indian and Pacific oceans, so a very fast dangerous current, so to sail, swim on a log, one is swept into a oceanic death. They got there, so they had to be a bit more advanced than we dare imagine.

20,00 years ago about the glacial maximum, ice over much of UK up to 2 miles thick.

Sea level 350 feet lower than today. Oldest pottery found nearly 13,000 years old, around Japan relatively recently after the sea level rise. Japan was connected to the mainland at glacial maximum.

Pottery suggest a settled way of life, so maybe the floods, in which sea level rose, both slowly and sporadically almost instantaneously many metres at a time, knocked out most of the existing human population settlements. Most of the world today lives within 50 miles of the sea. Another interesting cultural division is how the east and west have dealt with belief systems over the last 5000 years, India and China more philosophical than ideologically driven. The roots of Eastern religions are far older than the modern Western, Abrahamic roots that germinated 2500 years ago.

Asia therefore a more stable cultural foundation as 2,500 to possibly 10,000+ years older philosophical roots, suggesting a potentially more culturally advanced if not settled societies.

Living in the tropical area during the ice age it would have allowed people to develop technologically faster than in the frozen north. Trade is and always has been a favorite human pastime, and IF as the evidence suggests, forms of water transport has been used for at least half a million years, then such transport just might have advanced somewhat.
IF that was so, then beneath the seas on continental shelves lies a greater part of out buried history. Such tropical civlisations trading, would have allowed some to survive fast sea level rises and such people might have been technologically more advanced than other around the world, and afloat, and survived. Australia lost a land mass the size of India due to the sea level rise.

We have similar structures on all continents, as well as artifacts, suggesting trade and exchange of ideas. It just might be the case that such people influenced through trade and ideas to cultures from South America to Egypt, UK and northern Europe. How else could similar or almost identical ideas spread to a bunch of supposedly hunter gatherers or early farmers.

People with a far more advanced material and spiritual culture, able to do things never seen before would be viewed by a less developed culture as almost gods. So we were influenced by gods, hence the references in myths, scriptures, and texts. The evidence is up to 350 feet below sea level, but to suggest anything apart from humans influencing humans, and not aliens, space men or even supernatural forces, does appear to denigrate and deny the amazing creatures humans are. Obviously from today's perspective we would view such gods as primitive both their ideas and technology maybe. But a guy called Albert Schweitzer, went to Africa as a missionary doctor in the early 1900, and was seen by the natives as almost a god, as he cured people from diseases and did things that were beyond the capability of witch doctors or anyone else. This suggests that such a clash of cultures could have influenced the world thousands of years ago, and inspired megalithic constructions pulling the primitive into the age of time, seasons, stars, measurement, geometry (maths) and much more, as such structures encompass a lot more than a few stones, shaped, chipped moved about.

Anyway I have faith in human curiosity and ingenuity, and we have done and will do things that surprise and astonish us. Human ingenuity is like seeing and experiencing the products of the gods themselves, but have been kept back for the more recent few thousand years by a bunch of self appointed intermediaries who interpret the scriptures, texts, and manuscripts for their own selfish ends, to rule, and exploit the less informed, quite unlike the earlier gods that shared freely...maybe. We are unlike any creature in the history of this planet, and maybe have a deeper and richer history which was somewhat derailed by the nightmare of the effects of sea level rise??????
 Page 2u
Joined: 1/30/2008
Msg: 55
megalithic construction
Posted: 10/13/2011 5:28:53 PM
swingarm1966
Good one !!! --never seen that before, and it points some interesting possibilities.

qedeshim --
Could not agree more,, people have talked about, written about, drew pictures of--a time gone by--a time before..

It's there-- right before our eyes and ears to see and hear..

It took us 70 years to, go from a man in a wooden kite, to a man on the moon.
One good wave—generated from a large land shift, ice flood, etc..
would wash NASA. out of existence. Sweep it away-suck it into the ocean-- and the currents would twist it and grind it up along the coast till it was nothing more than sediments from once it came.

There’s also talk of a second flood marker around 7500 bce. So any gains that may have survived the first world wash out, could have been further destroyed 1500 to 2000 yrs later.
It’s possible these floods, to a lesser degree, have cropped up several times over the millenniums. Perhaps Atlantis wasn’t just one location, it represents a time before one of these floods, say around 2700 bce.

The point for the OP—

These two posters have answered the question, it’s possible we’ve had thousands of years of ‘uninterrupted’ growth, before 12,000 years ago. At which time we could have achieved what we have today and more…

Ever tried to find a simple 200 yr old arrow head—it ain’t easy..

There once was a time when, if you wanted to be a physician and study the latest technology and wisdom--you had to go to Baghdad.

Things get washed away, cultures shift, and knowledge forgotten--
 Page 2u
Joined: 1/30/2008
Msg: 56
megalithic construction
Posted: 10/13/2011 5:34:33 PM
But then again--I like the whole extraterrestrial uof thing--if we're the only things out here,,, it's one heck of a --waist of space...
 Page 2u
Joined: 1/30/2008
Msg: 57
megalithic construction
Posted: 10/13/2011 5:42:43 PM
''modivin''

You must be careful of things that seem to be proof..

Go to >>> 50 00'37.76" N 110 07'00.86"W – on google maps,
If this was seen on Mars—think of the stories and news coverage…
 Page 2u
Joined: 1/30/2008
Msg: 58
megalithic construction
Posted: 10/13/2011 5:46:17 PM
sorry about that-''modivin''- try this--http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1881770_1881787_1881781,00.html
 MikeWM
Joined: 2/7/2011
Msg: 60
view profile
History
megalithic construction
Posted: 10/14/2011 1:41:36 PM
I cant remember the actual documentary, but I suspect it was the 5 part one about the pyramids where it compared a fairly recent relocation of an old ruin to a new place so the area could be flooded to feed a newly built hydroelectric damn if I recall correctly

They compared that structure to the pyramids and what you got was something like this

The recent move required no quarrying or stone cutting as the structure was already there, so it only needed transporting something like 15 miles I think. The largest stones were maybe 50 tonnes and there was I think about 2000 stones of various sizes and they had access to all forms of modern machinery to dismantle, move and reassemble te structure on the new site. And the process took 5 years

The great pyramid at giza as a comparison thought comprises of around 2.000.000 stones some of which are 200 tonnes, and much of which was quarried and cut as much as 200 miles away. And then after construction all the tunnels and rooms were then cut into the pyramid

But we are supposed to believe that only took 10 years?

As with some of the previous posters I am starting to lean towards the possibility that mankind had reached a higher level but "different" type of technological knowledge long before we believe there was intelligent humans on earth

Because we have a very ego based view of human evolution the ONLY accepted theory is that the further back you go, the thicker mankind becomes.

But after seeing a few of the newer documentaries about the pyraminds and the newer translations of hieroglyphs I think it seems quite possible that mankind had already reached a level of knowlegde in "some" sciences that was far far higher than our own. But for whatever reason be it their own societal problems or some apocalyptic reason they were practically eradicated or their numbers were so low they couldnt maintain their society or knowledge and that some snippets might be responsible for early "technology" as observed in various cultures around the world

And from possible links to the pyramids being linked to 13000 year old planetary allignments it could be possible that this previous incarnation of mankind existed for thousands of years before that and knew of an impending but unnavoidable apocalypse and the pyramids could simply be the only form of time capsule they could guarantee would survive long enough to warn any future incarnations of man on earth of a cyclic apocalyptic event in the hopes the level of technology next time around might present ways to have a higher survival rate

6 months ago I'd have laughed at such a theory, but I have to admit that now it actually feels surprisingly "possible" albeit purely hypothetical in nature
 MikeWM
Joined: 2/7/2011
Msg: 61
view profile
History
megalithic construction
Posted: 10/19/2011 8:10:42 AM
I think one of the most interesting cats amongst the pidgeons of orthodox history of mankind is the as yet mostly unexplored towns that have been discovered under the sea off the coasts of some countries around the world with India being one of the most well known

Rather than sunken plateaus they seem to have been built on what was origionally the coastline as the towns themselves are pretty intact and some artifacts already recovered have been carbon dates to around 9000 bc

This wouldnt just give some indication that man had already reached a higher level of social evolution long before orthodox history claims, but would also mean the myths of cataclysmic floods as detailed in christian, jewish and many indian religions could actually be based in fact and might have been caused by the rapid melting of the ice caps which at the time would have been veiwed as an occurence that could only have been caused by a "god" or "gods"

It would also seem to fit in with the current raft of theories about the true origin and purpose of the pyramids at giza plus many other megaliths around the globe actually being a form of time capsule either recording a past apocalypse or forwarning of the return of a cyclic one that is part of the natural cycle of the earths climate

So it might be worth buying a decent pair of wellies just incase lol :)
 Page 2u
Joined: 1/30/2008
Msg: 62
megalithic construction
Posted: 10/19/2011 3:25:30 PM
I’m not too sure we can truly give a cultural name to any of the Megalithic sites found around the world.

However, what is for sure, is—We can map them .

So it might be interesting to discuss there locations..

RATHLINLIGHTHOUSE
Pointed out Newgrange --good place to start,

If these cultures were advanced to the point of ocean travel, one would expect to find, ocean ports strategically located and accompanied with examples of, cultural architecture.

Today’s British Isles would be a likely place /port, due to ocean currents..
And sure enough we find ‘Newgrange’

Proceeding along this line of questioning one would expect to find ‘early’ world— examples of, ports along the eastern coast of, South and North America..

Does anyone know of possible ports along this coast line ?
 MikeWM
Joined: 2/7/2011
Msg: 63
view profile
History
megalithic construction
Posted: 10/19/2011 3:36:00 PM
Actually for many of them at least 400-500 feet worth of water level rises happened between 9000 bc and 7500 bc and glaciers melted on large land masses

So what would be seen as "oceans" now would have been far narrower, much shallower and in some instances wouldnt have even been there as 500 feet of water level rises puts a LOT of low lying land under water that would have been part of a land mass previously

Infact the locations themselves are far more interesting that just their relationship to travel, a very large percentage of the megaliths lie in a 1km band around the magnetic circumference of the earth, something we could only actually plot in the last few hundred years. their spacings around that circumference are also almost exactly related to multiples and additions of Pi and the magic number in relation to that circumference which is either one hell of a huge accidental coincidence or a currently unfathomable occurence

So rather than just being able to sail, there some possibility that ancient civilisations could also have had flight too

Infact some other megaliths that are patterns carved into the ground are only clearly visible from extremely great hieghts or from space. Which also cant quite be explained with orthodox historical theories yet as their sheer size and scale would make them difficult to comprehend or construct with only a land based perspective to work from


As much as its just a throw away comment and not me trying to claim its actually the case. But had those same cultures 12000 or more years BC had the same level of technology as us then been wiped out it would still pretty much be the case that not much more than pottery and solid granite constructions would have survived. Because as some other people have pointed out, our own modern day structures and materials dont last anywhere near as long. And would be unlikely to last even 1000 years let alone 10.000 years or more
 Earthpuppy
Joined: 2/9/2008
Msg: 64
view profile
History
megalithic construction
Posted: 10/19/2011 8:29:53 PM
check out Puma Punku..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AABPXvwevVA
 MikeWM
Joined: 2/7/2011
Msg: 65
view profile
History
megalithic construction
Posted: 10/20/2011 9:56:30 AM
It seems that for each megalithic structure we are aware of on land, and even that probably isnt anywhere near all of them. There is probably one or more thats underwater off the coastline of practically every area that early acknowledged cultures existed

And as most of those areas havent been above sea level for 7,500 to 10,000 years I would say theres some pretty conclusive indications that mankind had reached some reasonable level of knowledge, technology and science before the last glacial melts occured

Although it would seem that knowledge might have been more spiritual in nature rather than chemical based science and many things seem to indicate more knowledge of the universe and its workings than we have had until quite recently which is hard to fathom without an early race having had flight or even spaceflight really considering how long its taken is just to figure out the world wasnt flat and wasnt the centre of the universe never mind more complex understandings of the workings of the solar system

Whilst googling though a few things that do seem to crop up quite a bit are the elongated skulls that the orthodoxy explain away with skull boarding/binding. But where most of which actually have some physiological differences to normal human skulls mainly being the lack of a seam or join in the skull which is common to all homo sapiens plus some having no brow

The star child skull also seems quite interesting, but I need to google it a bit more to see if its a hoax as apparently it has been DNA tested and was "allegedly" found to have some non homosapien DNA sequences

But even if true doesnt necessarily prove "aliens" but could simply be another bipedal species that evolved alongside man but which was either mostly killed off by natural events, some plague or even by homosapiens themselves

Theres some endlessly fascinating stuff floating around though
 Kohmelo
Joined: 9/20/2011
Msg: 66
view profile
History
megalithic construction
Posted: 10/20/2011 5:07:15 PM
To the guy above me that said

"how long its taken is just to figure out the world wasnt flat and wasnt the centre of the universe never mind more complex understandings of the workings of the solar system"

Eratosthenes calculated the circumference of the earth around 200 BC.

It took about 1000 years for us to un-learn this and then another 1000 for us to re-learn it. But must we also forget that we knew before we forgot???

It is very obvious that the ancients knew something that we do not. Sure, they didn't have big cranes or fancy steel ropes, but why would you invent a hammer when you are already capable of moving a 2 million pound stone?

We must remove our conventional ideas if we will ever learn their truths. If the answer was inside the box, we would have fouind it already
 MikeWM
Joined: 2/7/2011
Msg: 67
view profile
History
megalithic construction
Posted: 10/20/2011 5:22:22 PM
Actually that was already re learnt then

The dimensions of great pyramid at giza are linked to the metre, and shows that they already knew the circumference of the planet when they were constructed the date of which cant be acurately determined

The placings of several megalith sites around the globe also show they were at the very least aware of the magnetic poles and the circumference line between them, and quite possibly the actual distance around that circumference as there are megaliths located at several places that are multiples of Pi and the magic number in relationship to that circumference

So that would mean before "he" discovered it someone else anything from 3000 to 12000 years earlier already knew it anyway
 Kohmelo
Joined: 9/20/2011
Msg: 68
view profile
History
megalithic construction
Posted: 10/20/2011 6:49:25 PM
touche

But apparantly I'm not allowed to express myself with just a six letter word

No wonder why over think simple things
 Gwendolyn2010
Joined: 1/22/2006
Msg: 69
megalithic construction
Posted: 10/20/2011 7:47:56 PM
For a long time, I had read or seen in documentaries the stonework in South America and how a knife could not be inserted between the rocks. It MUST be the work of aliens, right?

Wrong. Several years ago, I saw a documentary that offered an extremely plausible scenario for how the walls were made.

My sometimes boyfriend is an engineer, and he has explained how megaliths could have been constructed using Neolithic tools and "engineering." Some are as simple as using an earthen ramp that would have easily been "unramped" when the project was finished.

Occam's razor states that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one--we make much too much of how our ancestors built great things, and in the process, insult their ingenuity and intelligence.
 Gwendolyn2010
Joined: 1/22/2006
Msg: 70
megalithic construction
Posted: 10/20/2011 8:07:00 PM

We have similar structures on all continents, as well as artifacts, suggesting trade and exchange of ideas. It just might be the case that such people influenced through trade and ideas to cultures from South America to Egypt, UK and northern Europe. How else could similar or almost identical ideas spread to a bunch of supposedly hunter gatherers or early farmers.


While I don't intend to downplay the influence of trade, etc., similarities in structures and artifacts do not always point to trade and exchange of ideas.

For example, scholars have gone back and forth about who first invented writing; for a long time, the Sumerians were ahead. Now, it is the Egyptians. Whichever, writing was developed in a close time proximity in three places: Sumeria, Egypt, and Harappa in the Indus Valley. The styles of writing are VERY different, and though we have been able to translate Egyptian hieroglyphs and Sumerian cuneiform, the writing of the Harappans remains a mystery.

If writing had been invented by an exchange of ideas, very likely the style of writing would have been similar instead of radically different as it is.

I read something within the last year that discussed these types of parallelisms, including the pyramids in Egypt and Meso/South America. It stated that cultures tend to take the same path in many of their developments; some take place later than others (the pyramids in the old and new worlds were not built at the same times). This happens because of the development of the human mind--we tend to think alike and cultures tend to develop alike in many aspects.

I looked for the information, but couldn't find it my books.

Jung would say that we do this because archetypes are embedded in our collective unconscious, but this can't be proven.

Who knows? But it is fascinating.
 MikeWM
Joined: 2/7/2011
Msg: 71
view profile
History
megalithic construction
Posted: 10/21/2011 1:46:29 AM
Actually, theres many cuts in granite and hard substances that even with todays modern tools would be practically impossible to make never mind with olden methods we are aware of

Being able to "perhaps" slide 200 ton stones up a ramp doesnt explan the actual working of the stone, some of which would need diamond tipped tools to work in the first place (none of which have ever been discovered) some of the more intriguing marks being groves only a couple of millimetres wide that are cut to an exact depth over several metres but which dont extend to either end of the stone so diamond encrusted rope couldnt have been used and even if it had have been possible could never cut a grove to such an acurate and uniform depth

And its the actual type of stonework and the acuracy that even with todays machinery would be near impossible to reproduce that causes the interest rather than just the still quite hard to believe activity of moving several hundred ton stones over in some cases several hundred miles in huge quantities that even with cranes and lorries would take many decades to accomplish now, never mind thousands of years ago with only slave labour and logs to accomplish the task
 swingarm1966
Joined: 3/27/2011
Msg: 72
megalithic construction
Posted: 10/21/2011 5:02:22 AM
Written Sumerian pre-dates the Egyptians use of hieroglyphs by several hundred 400-1500 no?
 Dreamer_in_SC
Joined: 6/13/2011
Msg: 73
megalithic construction
Posted: 10/21/2011 5:22:30 AM
want to try something kinda mind expanding?

Many people that study history and construction methods ASSUME that none of them utilized the wheel.

It is at that point that it becomes clear that they have never built anything.

I can not pick out one specific person or example but many will discuss that a wheel was not used but wood blocking is acceptable to assume they had used.

Here is the neat thing to try. In order to get a wood block you need to cut down a tree to then make the blocks from.

go out and cut down a tree and then move that tree from one place to another.

Will you drag the tree?

Will you just get a bunch of manpower and pick it up and carry it?

Will you simply push the tree rolling it to where it is needed?

Nature provided the wheel and it does not take a brain surgeon to utilize that ability for many things. Even primates would roll natural round shapes.

I guess what i am trying to say is the wheel has more than likely been around since fire was discovered and the need to collect firewood came to be a requirement for continued use of fire.

Just my opinion at least.

What do you think would happen to a granite block shot with a projectile (like maybe a micro asteroid) traveling at 20,000 mph?
 Gwendolyn2010
Joined: 1/22/2006
Msg: 74
megalithic construction
Posted: 10/21/2011 7:56:39 AM

Written Sumerian pre-dates the Egyptians use of hieroglyphs by several hundred 400-1500 no?


When I was doing research for one of my classes a couple of years ago, Egypt was listed as the earliest, but the site seems to have disappeared. The closest that I could come is this one: http://ggreenberg.tripod.com/ancientne/evidence.html

However, since I did the research, now there is a new claim that the Harappans were first: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/334517.stm

Others claim China: http://www.china.org.cn/english/2003/Jun/66806.htm

In his book The Lost Civilizations of the Stone Age , Richard Rudgley gives evidence that proto-writing appeared in Europe before it did in either Mesopotamia or Egypt. This is not Rudgely's site, but it has some info: http://www.antimoon.com/forum/t2564.htm

Take your pick!

My point wasn't about who first developed writing, but that different cultures developed writing and some did so concurrently.
 Gwendolyn2010
Joined: 1/22/2006
Msg: 75
megalithic construction
Posted: 10/21/2011 8:10:38 AM

Recent sattellite images have shown an area of the North Atlantic seabed that has valleys, plateaus and signs of river beds. There are of course many theories of the origins of the "myth" of Atlantis (I think Plato made the earliest recorded reference to it) but the idea had to come from somewhere.


Plato made up Atlantis as a metaphor--he also made up the "myth" of the man-woman but no one takes it seriously. IF a civilization such as Atlantis or the ones that other people in this forum are discussing existed, there is no evidence for it.


One author (Zecharia Sitchin I think) speculated that Soddom and Gommorah were destroyed by a thermonuclear device and it has been claimed there is trace radioactivity in the are where they are thought to have been.


Sitchin is also responsible for the hullabaloo about Nibiru or Planet X. His work is scorned by reputable scholars.

There is a kernel of "fact" in many myths, and I do believe that Sodom and Gomorrah MIGHT have existed, but their demise was not due to thermonuclear devices. Even Biblical scholars offer logical explanations: http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a007.html

As for Lot's wife, there is a huge chance that "pillar of salt" is a mistranslation:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/5240
 MikeWM
Joined: 2/7/2011
Msg: 76
view profile
History
megalithic construction
Posted: 10/21/2011 11:00:34 AM
Actually there is infact evidence of what many suspect to be atlantis and which matches the origional description with a very high degree of acuracy

Its on an island that was thought to have never been inhabited and which was decimated by one of the worlds largest volcanic eruptions a couple of hundred years before Atlantis was first mentioned

The remains of the city which is covered by volcanic deposits has interlocking clay pipes, indoor flushing toilets, hot and cold running water and a complex sewage system as well as multistorey earthquake proof buildings and cobbled streets thousands of years before similar technologies cropped up in other cultures

The islands structure also resembles the concentric circle design that atlantis was claimed to have had, and artwork and pottery found in the city depicts trade with many other cultures and high levels of craftsmanship

it being destroyed by an earthquake and tsunami would also fit with the claim it was destroyed by fire and water in a day too


So yeah, if there was such a city then proof "might" have been found unless it was totally obliterated by a volcanic eruption, land mass submerging due to fault activity or other disasters or a variety of other reasons that an ancient city could have been totally obliterated or just totally hidden under water or earth so it avoided discovery as many others are already known to be or are in the process of being explored now

But this one which does seem to be very possibly the city referred to as atlantis has actually been found, and even the remaining parts that werent destroyed cover something like a 50km area and have been being excavated for the last 50 years or so

Its just one of the many things that very few people are even aware of, like the hundreds of other cities known to be submerged off many of the coastlines around the globe that have even started to be examined in any great detail yet too. But as with some of the ones off the coast of India, america and many other countries have already been filmed with underwater cameras. But not fully explored due mainly to the sheer cost of doing so combined with the sheer number of such towns there actually are and thats just the ones that HAVE been found so far, chances are theres still many more that havent been yet as many have only been discovered in quite recent years

Absence of proof is most definitely NOT proof of absence

Thats even more true when there is proof but the absence is nothing more than the absence of you as a specific individual not being aware of it
 Gwendolyn2010
Joined: 1/22/2006
Msg: 77
megalithic construction
Posted: 10/21/2011 11:42:56 AM

Actually there is infact evidence of what many suspect to be atlantis and which matches the origional description with a very high degree of acuracy


I assume that you are referring to the island of Thera aka Santorini. There has been discussion about whether this was the basis of the Atlantis myth, but it was a "regular" Cretan society and not a paragon such as the place in Plato's "myth." Knossos at Crete also had flush toilets and hot water--such amenities were trademarks of the Minoan world.

Even if Santorini is the basis for the Atlantean myth, Plato grossly exaggerated the societal conventions.

If you are not speaking of Santorini, please provide the evidence that you claim exists.

The absence of proof might not be proof of absence, but the burden of proof falls on the person making the claim. There is no "proof" for Atlantis. There is no mention of it in any type of writing prior to Plato. Some claim that the Egyptians wrote of such a place, but the claim is by people trying to make myth a reality.
 MikeWM
Joined: 2/7/2011
Msg: 78
view profile
History
megalithic construction
Posted: 10/21/2011 12:18:16 PM
Nah Thera sounds familiar so I do think its that one, and yeah they do suspect that the palace on crete was part of either the same civilisation, or at least one that was closely related, however the cretian ruins dont use interlocking clay pipes, their water system wasnt anywhere near and advanced, nor have I ever seen reference to running hot water nor indoor flushing toilets despite having seem something like a dozen or more legnthy documentaries on the site so if you have a link to something that does specifically mention and show evidence of those specific things that would be appreciated

As for Platos "exageration", I would say thats actually the most likely case tbh. One of his core values was his story telling skills rather than being a historical recorder. And by the time he would have heard stories of atlantis it had already been destroyed for quite a while anyway which by itself creates quite a chain of chinese whispers and multiple chances of embellishment for increased wow factor

And the tri coloured stones at thera are something I cant recall seeing in any other ancient ruins but they were specifically mentioned by plato based on the stories he heard whilst in egypt

Interlocking clay pipes specifically though I dont think cropped up in any other culture for a thousand years or more after that city was destroyed as even the most advances ancient cultures like the myans, minoans, romans and aztecs uses a stone built form of water and sewage network and in some instances stone troughs that are "plastered" with clay rather than cylindrical interlocking clay pipes like those we have actually been using until fairly recently when plastic ones have started to replace them

So that I would be interested in seeing a reference too if it is infact the case as I have to admit it not something I have seen mentioned before in relation to other sites

I would say due to the timeline though the plato exagerations would have a very good chance of explaining the exageration, either by him, or just as the stories had been passed on before he heard them because taking aspects of that out of the equation it still leaves a hell of a lot of similarity that doesnt seem to have any other budding candidates that even come close to contend with on the grounds of fitting the bill
Show ALL Forums  > Science/philosophy  > megalithic construction