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 vnufall
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this is how the right wing media is dealing with this...my fave laura ingraham: Right-wing talk show host Laura Ingraham, a former Thomas law clerk, was also ready to blame the women. "We have seen this movie before and we know how it ends. It always ends up being an employee who can't perform or who under-performs and is looking for a little green," she said on her show.

"How much money did it take for you to swallow your principles?" she continued. "'Oh, I was so offended.' So in other words, you lose the fact that you're offended if you're paid money? Does anyone understand that? If something was truly horrible, then why wouldn't you just stand up, 'I want to be known, my name -- I want my name to be out there.'" [Talking Points Memo, 11/2/11]
yeah laura...i don't think you'd ever be sexually harrassed, or understand remotely how it feels....all we need is ann coulterr to throw her 2 cents in....sheesh
 SteelCity1981
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Posted: 11/3/2011 6:33:18 PM
If Herman Cain was smooth about this he would be like yeah 12 years ago I told her she had a fine ass. I didn't think it was a big deal I was giving her a compliment.
 Gwendolyn2010
Joined: 1/22/2006
Msg: 28
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Posted: 11/3/2011 8:05:05 PM

lol innapropriate remarks?

go on the uk forums and on to the sausages thread

lol

i think you shermans are too uptight sometimes i really do


If I went into the UK forums and stayed while "inappropriate" remarks are flying then it would not be UNWELCOME sexual patter.

However, I have the right to go into a local McDonald's and not have old farts tell me that they like to watch me eat ice cream cones because it turns them on or say other such things to me.

Again, I handled those issues myself and none of them will even look me in the eye now, even less speak to me.

I find it interesting that the main heckler was a Harlem Globetrotter in the 60s. It reinforces that when sports figures are accused of sexual impropriety, it is very likely true.

In the workplace, it is another issue. No one should be made uncomfortable where they work because other employees or, worse, bosses say inappropriate things or even touch inappropriately.


If Herman Cain was smooth about this he would be like yeah 12 years ago I told her she had a fine ass. I didn't think it was a big deal I was giving her a compliment


If a boss ever told me that I have a fine ass, it will be the last time he ever said it to an employee--or not without a price.
 wvwaterfall
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Posted: 11/3/2011 8:50:44 PM

The issue of sexual harassment is perhaps a bit closer to some women than it is to most men.


I don't know about that. For men it's a potentially poisonous scenario that there's no way to escape from. It may be different for men and women, but it's a complex and difficult issue for both.

The thrust of my last post was my surprise that so many politicians are so inept at responding to questions about actions in their past that could jeopardize their political future.

As for the specific issue of sexual harassment, that's very much a double edged sword. I know for many women one of the challenges of working in a world that purports to support gender equity is dealing with inappropriate sexual innuendo and advances in the workplace.

But it poses a challenge for men as well, both by needing to be constantly sensitive that what they may say or do could be interpreted as offensive AND by the fact that sexual harassment can go in the other direction as well, and for a man to file a complaint against a woman involves an entirely different dynamic.

There's no question that at the core of it all we simply need to treat each other respectfully and professionally. But a completely sterile work environment can negatively impact productivity and how much we value our work as well. There is not only a place for but value in fostering camaraderie, and that often includes humor and well intended teasing. The trick is making sure that an often difficult to define line isn't crossed in the process.

We don't know what happened in this case. While certainly the fact that there was at least one settlement and that he has more than one accuser make it tempting to pass judgment, until we learn more we just don't know enough to know anything for sure.

Like most folks, I imagine, I've both witnessed and been the recipient of sexually inappropriate remarks and advances. Once I refused the blatant advances of a co-worker who later was promoted to my superior. Over the course of the next year she systematically removed me from every important task I had been working on, then asked for my resignation because "you're not doing anything important". I can't know if my rejection of her advances ultimately led to my loss of job, but it certainly seems like a possibility and helps me, I believe, understand what many women have gone through.

On the other hand I also inadvertently stepped over the line once during a staff lunch at a non-profit I was executive director of. It was a jovial affair with plenty of banter and joking around and I joined in with a remark I thought was consistent with what the rest of the group was already engaged in. Months later a disgruntled member of my staff brought that remark back to my attention as part of her laundry list of complaints about how she perceived her work experience to have been. We talked through it and I apologized to her in front of witnesses. No formal complaint was filed. But it certainly heightened my sensitivity to how careful I must be, especially when in a supervisory position.

Finally, a close friend and co-worker was forced to resign after refusing the advances of a married co-worker who retaliated by falsely accusing HIM of coming on to her. I was close enough to the situation to be confident of the facts.

I'm sure most of us can think of examples of people who are blatantly sexually inappropriate. And I'm equally sure most of us can think of situations where we weren't quite sure if a line had been crossed. Without more information we really can't know where Herman Cain fits, but whatever the truth may be I remain confident he could be handling the situation far better than he is.
 Gwendolyn2010
Joined: 1/22/2006
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Posted: 11/3/2011 9:14:11 PM

I don't know about that. For men it's a potentially poisonous scenario that there's no way to escape from. It may be different for men and women, but it's a complex and difficult issue for both.


I understand that it is a potentially dangerous scenario for men, but truthfully, the instances that I have been exposed to and in the experiences of other women whom I have known, there was nothing ambiguous about the words or actions of the men. I also know that women sexually harassing men is not an impossible scenario, but I personally don't know any men who have had this experience.

I also know that not all employers do not take complaints of women seriously. Before I returned to school to get my MA, I worked at Walmart for two years. I had a male coworker who consistently annoyed me, but nothing sexually inappropriate until one night he put his hand on the back of my neck in a caressing manner. I went to my department manager and she said she would "look into it." I found that another woman had also complained about his actions. Nothing was said or done, however, until he put an open porn magazine on the stand of the female CSM--he was summarily fired. I am not sure if he was fired because of his sexist actions or because customers would have been able to see the magazine.

For centuries, victims of rape were not taken seriously and often they were put on trial as much as the rapist. Sexual harassment is not as bad as rape, but it simply shouldn't be tolerated, regardless of who is being harassed and/or who is harassing.

Cain accused Perry's aide of "leaking" the story--how could there be a "leak" if there wasn't a story to leak? That accusation was retracted.

Also:
In one instance, he first denied knowing of any settlements with former employees, then said he recalled one, explaining he had been aware of an "agreement" but not a "settlement."
http://news.yahoo.com/cain-struggles-overcome-allegations-controversy-203207491.html

Really? He was the "boss" and he was not aware that a settlement had been made for HIS actions?

Yup, that's the man whom I want for president: one who doesn't know what his staff is doing in HIS name and for HIS actions.
 vnufall
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Msg: 31
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Posted: 11/3/2011 9:40:06 PM
i don't remember the media left or right making little out of the lewanski scandel....it was on tv for mos. they dug up other g/f's too. kept showing her dress...followed monica all over the place. no bill was in big trouble and moreso with hilary. as a sidenote the economy was good tho.....
 wvwaterfall
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Posted: 11/3/2011 9:49:13 PM
I also know that women sexually harassing men is not an impossible scenario, but I personally don't know any men who have had this experience.


You might be surprised. It's not something many man would mention. We're supposed to take it as a compliment if a woman comes on to us. And some women think getting along in what they perceive to be a man's world means acting like they think all men act. Why don't you ask some of your closest male friends if they've ever had a woman caress their neck or otherwise touch them when it wasn't welcome, or act in any way you would find offensive if the roles were reversed?

I recently heard a show about sexual harassment on NPR where statistics were shared that while overall increased awareness and training had reduced the number of harassment complaints, there has been a significant increase in men filing complaints against women. Just as many rapes go unreported, there's no way to tell if that means more women are harassing men or just more men are reporting it, but it's not as rare as many might think.

And don't get me wrong. I never would have cast a vote for Cain before all this broke, much less after. I don't agree with what platform he's presented so far and this isn't the first instance where he's bungled his reaction to something.

From what I've seen so far if the election were today I'd vote for the President we already have.

But I also try to resist leaping to conclusions based on partial evidence. This is one of those rare occasions where Matchlight and I agree.
 SteelCity1981
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Posted: 11/3/2011 10:03:49 PM

If a boss ever told me that I have a fine ass, it will be the last time he ever said it to an employee--or not without a price.


So is that worse than if a boss told you that you had a big fat ass instead? Guess that wouldn't me sexual harassment then.
 Gwendolyn2010
Joined: 1/22/2006
Msg: 34
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Posted: 11/4/2011 6:42:22 AM


So is that worse than if a boss told you that you had a big fat ass instead? Guess that wouldn't me sexual harassment then.


I can see that you have never taken a sexual harassment class--perhaps that is what is wrong with the workplace: some people are so ignorant about what constitutes sexual harassment that they unknowingly commit it. Of course, those are the type of people who are just crass.


i don't remember the media left or right making little out of the lewanski scandel....it was on tv for mos. they dug up other g/f's too. kept showing her dress...followed monica all over the place. no bill was in big trouble and moreso with hilary. as a sidenote the economy was good tho.....


Bingo. And ya know, Monica was a willing, conniving participant. When Bill "didn't" have sex with her, she was all for it.

We never heard of FDR's mistress or Eisenhower's dalliance with this driver in WWII until after the fact. There were only hints of JFK's involvement with MM. This is a different world.


You might be surprised. It's not something many man would mention.


As women take higher level positions in the workforce, it might become even more prevalent.


I don't agree with calling him a sexual predator either.c


I don't think he is a sexual "predator"; however, if the charges come from more than one woman, he certainly made some very bad choices AND he ignored standards set for employer-employee relationships.
 runningman40
Joined: 5/26/2010
Msg: 36
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Posted: 11/4/2011 7:22:02 AM
I think thaty a lot ofg the things Cain said or did, or allegedly did or said, are things that most men who work around women regularly wouldn't say---today. If you go back twenty years or so, prior to the whole Clarence Thomas "pubic hair on a coke" thing, a lot of those things that would be clearly inappropriate today would have been okay then, or borderline at worst. He might be as cad, but the alleged harrasment, whatever it is, has to be judged by the standards of the time in which it took place.

On a side note--Is it wrong to offer a female coworker a mustache ride?
 SteelCity1981
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I can see that you have never taken a sexual harassment class--perhaps that is what is wrong with the workplace: some people are so ignorant about what constitutes sexual harassment that they unknowingly commit it. Of course, those are the type of people who are just crass.


Or the fact that some people are just way overly senseitive.

And don't tell me that some women aren't to blame for being their own sexual magent. I've seen women in corp offices that use push up bras which shows a lot of clevage as if they are sending out a becon to get noticed in that way.
 wvwaterfall
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Posted: 11/4/2011 9:40:24 AM

Or the fact that some people are just way overly senseitive


No, the problem lies with those who are consistently insensitive.

It really boils down to one simple thing: respect.

In recent years I've returned to full time whitewater raft guiding. Although we too participate in annual sexual harassment training, it is NOT your usual workplace.

Fun is a big part of what we do, but we also are responsible for the lives of the guests we take down the river each day, guests who often have no idea how important their actions are to their own safety. With an ever changing work schedule that always involves weekends there is little opportunity to socialize outside of the people we work with.

We're a raunchy bunch. We joke, we hug, we flirt, we give each other backrubs after long, physically demanding workdays. Relationships between coworkers are common. The women guides, who are outnumbered by men maybe three to one, give as good as they get. I've been flashed, mooned, groped, and the butt of countless suggestive jokes.

But we also have great respect for each other. We earn that respect by handling the wide range of challenges we face each day professionally, by setting safety for each other on the river, by stepping up to distasteful tasks on and off the river, by always having each others back.

In the midst of all our raunchy behavior, if any one of us takes offense, the offender(s) back off. If two people have a problem, more often than not they confront it directly and work it out between themselves. If someone needs support, they've got it. We need each others full support every day on the river. We can't afford to let personal conflicts get in the way of assuring our guests' and our own safety in difficult whitewater.

As in any other workplace, sometimes some people cross the line. When a male manager suggested that a woman guide might get more work in exchange for sexual favors he was summarily fired.

But any number of other actions and statements that would constitute blatant sexual harassment in, for example, the government office I once worked in, are perfectly acceptable in our workplace. What makes that so is our diligent sensitivity to how our actions and statements are received.

Reading people is a big part of what we do every day as we take a group of paddlers we've never met and mold them into a team sufficiently competent to safely navigate rapids on rivers where levels and weather change daily. Reading each other, the partners we depend on to maximize both safety and overall customer satisfaction, is second nature.

Insensitive, disrespectful people don't last long in our world. They either acquire those skills or move on or get moved on.

If only that were the case in more settings, the whole sexual harassment problem would rarely be an issue.
 Gwendolyn2010
Joined: 1/22/2006
Msg: 40
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Posted: 11/4/2011 9:48:06 AM

It's ironic. Women wanted entry into the "real" workplace so they could present themselves as equal individuals to men, test their mettle and climb the vaunted corporate ladder.


You make it sound as if women woke up one morning and said, "Oh, we think that we will infiltrate the "real" workplace because we need a lark between watching soap operas and washing the dishes."


Once they arrived at the bottom rung they found that it's not a climb for the feint of heart. There is back stabbing, lies told, favorites promoted, clickishness and worse. There is even so-called sexual harassment. Then suddenly the advocates for woman insist that sexual harassment is not fair to women. These poor innocents, who want to be just like the men, just don't know what to do or say to the suddenly new phenomomon of a lecherous boss. Your mothers would have slapped the guy silly, kicked him in the squirrel sack, and then maybe threatened to spill the word to Mrs. Boss. This is called being equal plus.


Although your statement really has nothing to do with the issue at hand, I will address it.

Prepare for some changes--and it appears that women have not only risen to the challenge of working in a man's world, but surpassed it:


Twenty-five years after women first started pouring into the labor force--and trying to be more like men in every way, from wearing power suits to picking up golf clubs--new research is showing that men ought to be the ones doing more of the imitating. In fact, after years of analyzing what makes leaders most effective and figuring out who's got the Right Stuff, management gurus now know how to boost the odds of getting a great executive: Hire a female.
http://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_47/b3708145.htm


1) In 2007, women comprised an estimated 40 percent of managers and 49 percent of nonmanagers on average for the 13 industry sectors we analyzed--industries that comprised almost all of the nation's workforce--compared to 39 percent of managers and 49 percent of nonmanagers in 2000.
http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-10-1064T

Yet:
The typical female manager makes 29.9 percent less than her male counterpart, according to an On Numbers analysis of new data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.
http://www.bizjournals.com/bizjournals/on-numbers/scott-thomas/2011/07/female-managers-earn-30-percent-less.html

Considering that women comprise over half the workforce, that more women in the workplace hold degrees than do their male counterparts, and more women are getting degrees overall than men, expect sexual harassment toward women to lessen. I can't predict if there will be more males filing such charges.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/census-2010-working-women-hold-college-degrees-men/story?id=13461125#.TrQRPnJbWuk
http://dailyfreepress.com/2011/04/28/gender-roles-changing-census-bureau-reports/

What makes you think that males do not file suits:
while the number of sexual harassment cases overall have consistently declined since 1995, sexual harassment filings by men have doubled during that time span. In 2009, men filed 16% of the EEOC's total sexual harassment claims, and many labor experts believe that this number would be even higher if men did not fear being mocked by their peers should they report the harassing conduct.
http://www.californiaemploymentattorneyblog.com/2010/10/does-female-on-male-sexual-harassment-exist.html

Fewer women are filing suits, but more men are--still a minority compared to women, but still on the rise.

Also not, men fear being mocked--no one is stopping them from claiming their rights under the law, eh?

Oh, and let us not forget males who sexually harass other males:
In 2008 the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) filed suit after six Cheesecake Factory staffers claimed they were subjected to repeated sexual harassment at the chain's Chandler Mall location in Phoenix, including allegations of sexual fondling, simulated rape, and even being physically dragged into the restaurant's refrigerator. The Cheesecake Factory denies the charges; in November the company settled the dispute by paying $340,000 to the victims.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2010/01/12/abuse-of-power.html



Or the fact that some people are just way overly senseitive.


It is THE LAW--some people on this thread seem to disregard this issue! Again, I have had lewd comments, propositions from married men, and some inappropriate touching by my "peers," except for the touching, I never reported any of it but effectively stopped the actions. If it had been a boss, I would have sought legal means because of quid pro quo laws and my boss could fire me if I did not comply or respond well to his OR her advances.


And don't tell me that some women aren't to blame for being their own sexual magent. I've seen women in corp offices that use push up bras which shows a lot of clevage as if they are sending out a becon to get noticed in that way.


Ah, yes, the ancient rationalization for rape--let's put the victim on trial.


Actually, you're admitting that your mother would have found sexual harrassment offensive enough to fight about it


Thanks for pointing this out!


No, the problem lies with those who are consistently insensitive.

It really boils down to one simple thing: respect.


Spot on!

There is a huge difference from saying to a woman (and I am using women as an example because I am one) "Hey, that is a nice dress" or "You look nice" from "I wish my wife would wear a sexy little dress like that--she might turn me on then" or "I like that dress but I like what's in it even more." In the workplace--or to ANY man with whom I am not sexually intimate, I would never say, "Whoa! I like that bulge in your pants" or "Those pants really accentuate how big your penis is."

Not even it he would like for me to say it.
 matchlight
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however, if the charges come from more than one woman, he certainly made some very bad choices AND he ignored standards set for employer-employee relationships.


So that's how your Star Chamber works. If more than one woman has accused Mr. Cain--and their accusations are not "charges"--he must "certainly" have done the things you claim. More facts may come out, and they may show he did something wrong. But all I've seen so far is nasty innuendo.

How can Cain defend himself effectively against vague accusations by unnamed women? When these things are settled, both parties usually agree not to reveal the settlement. And if he was not a party, he has no way of knowing the details of what the employer agreed had taken place.

Many people who pride themselves on being liberal and tolerant seem happy to see a black man defamed this way. Twenty years ago, the same types were also glad to see Clarence Thomas lynched with similar accusations. And yet, if anyone dares to disagree with the policies of their half-white President, they are very quick to cry racism.
 SteelCity1981
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Ah, yes, the ancient rationalization for rape--let's put the victim on trial.


Give me a break no one is talking about rape. So it's ok for a woman to dress almost slut like in a work place and you expect the rules to be applied diff when that woman is literally attracting herself to that sort of behavior? Accountability goes both ways.
 good_catch77
Joined: 3/28/2007
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Posted: 11/4/2011 10:10:12 PM
Cain ah I could care less about another politician who just got caught!

In the sports world of players getting $100 million contracts its only natural for someone to try for some easy money and accuse them of rape, impregnating them, or just a affair. For every one that is true I don't believe 5 or more.

The rise (no pun intended) to power can be a struggle and it isn't easy in any profession. Sometimes some people get "stuck" doing one thing because they are too good at the current job to let them move up.

In the last 2 years of my current job I've been rumored to be sleeping with about 5 women. This one girl said that about every month she gets asked if she's pregnant with someone's baby that she works with. Rumors spread worse than wildfire. I could accidentally bump into a girl and next week she's having my baby...last time I checked you have to have intercourse to do that...maybe something new out ...

I've had women and men bosses. And its been mixed results. I've disliked one or two (probably more) from each gender. But its not because of the gender or that she didn't put out...it was something else...like this one mgr that I worked with made sure she got EVERY holiday off because she had kids. I had to work every holiday and I was asst mgr. I didn't want every holiday but wanted it fair...or at least reasonable. I didn't hate her but I complained every holiday...Finally had to talk to the area supervisor...who was a woman and she supported my claim...

I've had sexual advances as well and yes they've been unwelcome. Men are expected to suck it up...much like in a abusive situation too.

In final note this reverse role of men as prey in sexual harassment remind me of the 90's movie Disclosure. With Demi Moore and Michael Douglas. I know its a movie but I've seen people supportive of movies before too...I know it could happen and probably has too. It made me aware of how ruthless a woman could be...equal to the man.

I too tend to walk on ice as I talk to women...constantly having to figure out a way to word something w/o it sounding sexist...I was a Head Cashier so we had to send cashiers to clean the bathrooms at night...I often had to send the women to clean (since my cashiers where 99% women over the years)...I sometimes thought that it might sound sexist...they knew it was their job but still it could be perceived as sexist to send a woman to clean....
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 11/4/2011 10:11:25 PM
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im just re reading through the thread and this wee bit from you caught my eye.

i can understand sort off if its continual abuse filing a complaint but some of the most
popular words in the uk just now are **** and ho. used by youngsters who watch
too much american tv or films. would it not be better having a pop at hollywood
rather than a boy who is just repeating what is on tv and film everyday?

you teach in a college? is it public funded by any chance?
you have to take a sexual harassement test every year?
who pays for that? the college?
the reason i ask is
so in these times of economic strife, if indeed what i wrote is the case
money that could be spent on books or maintainance work, lines the
pockets of some dafty charlatan pc stasi operative who 'tests' youse all every year?

now said dafty HAS to find sexual harassement or else their nice little
earner at public expense goes right out the window

it sounds a right barrel of laughs where you work hen
what happens if some poor unfortunate falls foul of said pc stasi sexual harrasment?
do they get sent to re education camp (at college/public expense)?
dont get me wrong local councils in the uk love squandering public funds on 'awareness' and 'diversity' seminars (usually in 5 * hotels somewhere lovely in the countryside after all its only public money)
if someone says something out of order surely you just give the divvy a slap?

as for the cain gadgie he may or may not have done something, the full pc stasi
seem to have made their minds up.
using dare i say it mccarthy type tactics that they keep bleating about

from what ive seen none of them are up to much as 'leaders'

and what you said about the past coming back to haunt? very true. especially when you get known as the class sneak who reports every misdemeanour.

p.s. im no having a pop at you just commenting on what i see as part of the problem with life just now
 RichenLosAngeles
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Posted: 11/5/2011 9:50:57 AM
IF we can get back to the original thread for just a moment,,, I think what you're gonna find is that this incident is not about the "victim", and it is not about the "alleged perpetrator" either, it is a PR scheme by the victim's attorney, looking to cash in on an incident that has been dead and buried for decades already. He's looking for HIS 15 minutes of fame. And maybe some dineros, or maybe a book deal?
Think of Gloria Allred , defending poor little Ms. "I only got $23 per hour from Meg Whitman" and creating a generous settlement , no doubt, for herself and her client. I am curious what kind of position this illegal alien housekeeper has today. What? She's set up for life by Whitman? Oh, well, I guess that's only fair,,, after all, Whitman wouldn't even give her a glass of water when she was pregnant.
In the meantime, the real people are not so easily fooled. Whitman now has another big CEO job, probably for huge money, and Cain's number are going UP, not down,,,

sidenote : I wonder how many people today would accept that paltry $23/hr housekeeping job from Meg Whitman.
 HalftimeDad
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Posted: 11/5/2011 9:59:07 AM
It wasn't created by a lawyer. If you heard him interviewed, he could barely remember the case. He was pressed for details, and he not only couldn't remember them, he couldn't even refresh his memory since he had thrown the file out after 5 years.

Politico found two incidents of women who had been paid settlements for sexual harassment. In both cases the sums involved were more than "nuisance money." Since then, another woman has come forward with a similar story. At this point the strategy will be to attack the women mercilessly to discourage any other revelations from other women.
 IgorFrankensteen
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Posted: 11/5/2011 10:00:10 AM
Yeah, that's interesting. So far, the "scandal" seems to be helping Cain. The groundwork is already in place for supporters to disbelieve any and all reports about their guy, which are negative. Maybe his being attacked, gives him "victim status," which appeals to several voting blocks out there, especially the ones who have trained themselves to support ANY right-side candidate who gets negative press for any reason. Sort of a "we'll give blind allegiance to ANYONE who the evil press says is wrong" psychology. I saw the left do that sort of thing in the old days, when THEY thought the press was always out to get THEM.

In addition, the number one issue if the day continues to be the economy. As long as THAT is so, anxious people will not likely listen to non-economic criticisms of any candidate.
 vnufall
Joined: 3/6/2011
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Herman Cain-racism or sexual harrassment?
Posted: 11/5/2011 10:35:53 AM
i heard a laywer on cnn say that the 45,000 dolars was just pay off for a nusance suit. i think it was salary of this woman for the year. yeah no big deal for cain, make distance from it, doesn't remember it, he didn't handle it. the restaurant association did and they aren't talking. with 3 women complaing of harrassment i can't believe it will be swept under the rug. still the far right wants a strong candidate to beat obama at any cost. it reminds me of the birthers out there....lol.
 HalftimeDad
Joined: 5/29/2005
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Posted: 11/5/2011 10:55:36 AM
Nuisance suits are settled for 3 or 4 thousand dollars. These settlements were 10 times that amount.

He also broke campaign finance laws. I don't know if that's a felony in America, but he'll be facing prosecution once he finally bows out.
 matchlight
Joined: 1/31/2009
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Posted: 11/5/2011 11:31:50 AM

So far, the "scandal" seems to be helping Cain.


Maybe that's because most Americans don't like the idea of trying to lynch someone this way. The way sexual harassment laws work invites crooks--usually women--to extort money from their employers. What do they have to lose? If the settlement includes an agreement that neither party will reveal it, how could it hurt their chances of finding another job?

The women involved may be right about what Cain did. We just don't know. He apparently wasn't a party to the settlement agreement--his employer was. And yet he's supposed to rebut, flawlessly, every detail of incidents co-workers accused him of years ago, without even the chance to look at the documents which spell out the accusations.

Just because Cain isn't being hurt by this now doesn't mean it won't sink him later. He may not have done anything wrong. But even if he didn't, as happened with the people falsely accused in the California nursery school case years ago, it may make no difference. Cain doesn't have the news media covering his rear like this President has had, right from the start.

Kicking off your entry into politics in the living room of unrepentant ex-FBI ten-most-wanted terrorist bombers who flaunt their guilt, and proudly declare their Communism and their deep loathing for this country; spending twenty years listening to the quasi-Marxist sermons of a vicious Jew-hater who thinks we deserved 9/11; sharing dinners and babysitting with another Jew-hater who was a propagandist for Yasser Arafat's PLO; appointing, with no one's approval, admitted Maoists, a 9/11 "truther," and ardent defenders of jihadist enemies as your personal policy "czars"--just for starters--hey, no problem, all that's just fine.
 vlad dracul
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Posted: 11/5/2011 12:50:47 PM
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is that the same thing as owe bama fans ' well he may have known terrorist apologists who hate our country and our way of life and would gladly see us dead but we are sure he realises now that they are naughty people so forget about it and lets get planning the war with iran' type thingy?

oh and see how cains able to rise up the popularity ratings does this mean that the 'scandal' will be consigned to the memory hole shortly?

(just a wee aside but are the xmas smiley thingys not offensive to anyone yet? hey just askin boss)
 SteelCity1981
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Posted: 11/5/2011 1:52:31 PM

It is THE LAW--some people on this thread seem to disregard this issue! Again, I have had lewd comments, propositions from married men, and some inappropriate touching by my "peers," except for the touching, I never reported any of it but effectively stopped the actions. If it had been a boss, I would have sought legal means because of quid pro quo laws and my boss could fire me if I did not comply or respond well to his OR her advances.


Who is saying that it isn't against the law? But you honestly can't sit there and tell me that falsely sexual harassment cases don't occur due to underlining motives like trying to go after someones money. There has been plenty of cases in regards to that in past.
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