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 matchlight
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What leftist Jew haters?


Mostly one and the same thing.


Some of us just arent Yanks


I can understand your envy.


It kept the Soviets in check for 60 years, and it's still working in the Middle East.


I doubt many Israelis are foolish enough to think their country is under the nuclear umbrella of the U.S.--certainly not with Mr. Obama in office. He's made very clear he's no friend of Israel, and judging by his circle of Jew-hating Communist friends in Chicago, his animosity is partly personal.

And the idea that Israel could count on deterring the regime in Iran, if it had nuclear weapons, is hard to take seriously. Iran has plenty of suicidal fanatics at its disposal--it set up and maintains Hizballah as its proxy in Lebanon. If its leaders had the atom bomb, why would they choose to deliver it to Tel Aviv on a missile?

Almost the moment a missile were in the air, the target country would know just where it was launched from--and where to send its counterstrike. If it came in a truck or freighter, though, how could anyone know afterwards which county was responsible--or even that it *was* a country, rather than a group like Al Qaeda? Or maybe Israel, as evil as we all know it is, would just fire a dozen or so missiles at every country it suspected.
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 11/11/2011 9:31:17 AM
I guess "leftist Jew haters" would somehow also describe these people?
http://www.realnews247.com/spec_rpt_jews_against_zionism.htm
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/about/visitorcomments/comment_details.cfm?ItemNo=1173
Opposing Israeli terrorism against it's neighbors is not anti-Jewish in the least. Demanding full support, no matter the consequences of the state, sounds like something learned in WW II from some other fanatics.
 Hussain30
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Posted: 11/11/2011 6:23:05 PM
Match Light,

How convenient for you to say that the government of Mohammad Mossadeq was "unstable.". You tell me which newly formed democracy is not without flaws? Even American democracy was very weak during the early days of the union.

Secondly, yes the roots of Iranian religious extremism in the way Mossadeq was toppled. Because our country conveniently replaced a democratically elected leader with literally a despot with the hunger for absolute power and control.

Now you are going to say, Iran experienced prosperity during the time of Shah of Iran. Well guess what? Even during the early days of Saddam and Qaddafi, Iraq and Libya fared really well. They became rich, prosper, and developed. However, is okay to demonize on group of dictators, but it is okay to nurture the rest?

And I strongly believe because of such reasons many people in Iran saw that going back to religion was the answer to their every problem. No one likes slavery. No one likes to be under control. And religious leaders exploited this anger to their advantage and that's why Iran is what is it today.

What if USa and the British had stay away from Iranian politics? Would Iran still have stumbled to religious extremism and intolerance ?

This what If would always going to be attached to modern Iranian history forever!!!!
 HalftimeDad
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Posted: 11/11/2011 6:26:30 PM
I can't remember the name of the Shah's secret police, but it was particularly nasty.

The only forum for any resistance to the dictatorship was in the mosques. Hardly surprising that a hated, foreign imposed dictator was replaced by a theocracy.
 Hussain30
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Posted: 11/11/2011 6:42:17 PM
^^
Obviously people would turn to mosques and religion when your leader is despised wholesomely specially when he is supported by all of the so called infidel western powers.

Obviously, then they will reject every thing modern and they will try to hold on to religion and to their very own culture and tradition.

People in the west need to understand some thing. Islam is not really a religion to people in those areas, but it is also a way of life and culture for them. Many things that we do back home even culturally we keep religion in mind. Even many of the non practicing Muslims take decisions by keeping God and religion in mind in important dealings and transactions.

Unlike Europeans, people of the Islamic world could never depart themselves from Islam. It does not work that way. Because following the same religion in the right way it took them to the great heights.

Why give up on such a beautiful thing that made them prosperous and respectable once?
 Tah,
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Posted: 11/11/2011 8:06:59 PM
Envy of what? Amerika has Italians there too, good luck to them.


49 million unemployed in America...

Alot to be jealous of hey? Sarah palin believes in witch hunters, i don't quite no of any more of such a load of religous extreminism and paranoia., anywhere.

Gaols in America are overflowing, some states are legalizing illicit drugs because they can no longer police them , they have lost control.

American federal law enforcement agencies supplying arms to mexican cartels that has saw murder rise sharply.

People should look in their own backyard first, the truth lies there.
 JustDukky
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Posted: 11/11/2011 10:53:25 PM

The 1953 ouster of the unstable Mohammed Mosaddeq, which the U.S. and Britain orchestrated, did not play a major role in bring Khomeini to power 26 years later.


No, but the replacement of the stable, democratically elected Mossaddeq government. with the oppressive, US supported regime of the Shah, following a CIA/MI6 sponsored revolt/coup WAS responsible for the eventual popular revolution and overthrow of that odious regime which brought Khomeini to power.


Islamist extremism also flared up at the end of the 1970's in Afghanistan, where the U.S. had done nothing to cause it


Who are you trying to kid?...The US CAUSED AND FUNDED islamic extremism in Afghanistan. Just ask Zbigniew Burzinski, the guy who's idea it was. Remember when they were called "Mujahadeen freedom fighters?"

Israel is the greatest danger to world peace today. It will be the country that starts World War Three and there is no doubt in my mind that it will be all out global thermonuclear war. The only bright spot I see in that mess is that in all probability, Israel and its Synagogue of Satan will cease to exist.
 JustDukky
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Posted: 11/12/2011 4:52:19 AM

Iran is just scary in general because the guy in charge is a total nut case.

Could you be more specific? Who is the guy in charge and what makes him a nut case?


Even the other Arab countries in the Middle East realize his behavior destabilizes the area.

What destabilizing behaviour are you talking about and can you name the other arab countries concerned about it? (You ARE aware that Iran is NOT an arab country, right?)
 timetogo3223
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Posted: 11/12/2011 5:37:32 AM
tdh49...



Stop pushing people around. Leave them alone and they will glady leave you alone most times. It's not rocket science don't you know?


Let's take that advice to the Muslim and Christian conflicts in Africa. And extend it even further to the Muslims who are enslaving Africans. It's about time some of those African nations stopped pushing around Islam and its strongholds. How many times do those African nations have to be told before a jet or two crashes into a chosen spot or two within their countries?
 timetogo3223
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Posted: 11/12/2011 5:44:30 AM
Hussain30...


People in the west need to understand some thing. Islam is not really a religion to people in those areas, but it is also a way of life and culture for them. Many things that we do back home even culturally we keep religion in mind. Even many of the non practicing Muslims take decisions by keeping God and religion in mind in important dealings and transactions.

Unlike Europeans, people of the Islamic world could never depart themselves from Islam. It does not work that way. Because following the same religion in the right way it took them to the great heights.

Why give up on such a beautiful thing that made them prosperous and respectable once?


True. Islam will not be given up by the masses. The great heights of Islam, where once Christian and Jews were tolerated and welcomed, in certain regions, will not be repeated until Islam undergoes a "reformation", but this, by Islam's very nature, will not happen, in my opinion.
 JustDukky
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Posted: 11/12/2011 6:00:27 AM

You are obviously chomping at the bit for an argument and to show your 'superior' knowledge of this issue.

Non sequiter. How does asking reasonable questions lead you to conclude I am "chomping at the bit to show my superior knowledge?"

By Arab states, I mean, if you want to be pedantic about it, the Middle East

I think you mean informal, not pedantic. In pedantic terms, less than half the states you listed are "arab" states.

I live in this area.

Where is "here?" Is the propaganda in your area any better, worse, or more or less accurate than the propaganda anywhere else?

You people who get all of your information from US news sources think you know it all: you don't.

Am I a "you people"? How can you possibly know where I get my news from?

I am not going to engage in your argument. Because it is ludicrous.

Again, how is asking questions an argument? What is ludicrous about it?

What you yap on and on about comes from a foundation of misinformation and ignorance.

Isn't that a value judgement? How is asking a few reasonable questions to be considered yapping on and on?

I AM having fun tallying up the logical fallacies. I think you may have set a new record.
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 11/12/2011 8:02:52 AM

True. Islam will not be given up by the masses. The great heights of Islam, where once Christian and Jews were tolerated and welcomed, in certain regions, will not be repeated until Islam undergoes a "reformation", but this, by Islam's very nature, will not happen, in my opinion.


It takes two (or in this case, three) to tango. The fundies in Christianity, Judaism and Islam are all driving divisions. Plenty of blame to go around on who started what first, who escalated it, and who is going to benefit or suffer from keeping the flames fanned. The Zionists and Christian Zionists certainly have done their share of keeping the fires burning and leading the call for a nuclear conflagration. Iran has been caught between them and the oil warriors for a long time. When surrounded on all sides by hostile threats, it's to be expected that the insanity would infect all involved. If the Israeli government quit being pawns of the hardliners, and exhibited just a bit of humanity and humility, tensions in the region would quickly diffuse.
 Double Cabin
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Posted: 11/12/2011 8:36:07 AM
"Anyone else scared of Iran nuking the Holy Land?
Iran is just scary in general because the guy in charge is a total nut case. Even the other Arab countries in the Middle East realize his behavior destabilizes the area."

WADR the Mullahs, not the mouth-piece President, control Iran. You should be far more afraid.

I am fearful of any theocracy whether they are pursuing Nuclear weapons or not.

As an American I suggest some of my fellow citizens look within and understand that ultimately we have unequivocally reaped what we have sewn. To suggest our policies haven't created turmoil abroad in places like Afghanistan, Iran, etc., is simply myopic to put it incredibly kindly.

I think we could do a lot more when it comes to Iran by quietly engaging the susbtantial moderate elements there than by talking so tough and doing little but emboldening the Mullahs and fermenting theocratic Iranian Nationalism.

As to the gentlemen from Australia talking about our Decline in this country: We indeed have some incredible problems we've brought upon ourselves, but I suggest you think about the real implications of our decline when it comes to your own homeland. Right now it is Europe that is in most immediate danger of implosion, and if it ever came to be you would beyond the shadow of any doubt be in just as much of a world of hurt down under as we would on our slice of the pond.
 Bladesmith81801
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Posted: 11/12/2011 10:27:21 AM
Winter, if you know as much as you claim to know, then you must acknowlege that Ahmadinejad is little more than a figurehead. He doesn't control anything without the say so from the Supreme leader, does he? Ahmadinejad does NOT control the military, and couldn't deploy a nuke even if they had one.

From the Wiki: "After the Supreme Leader, the Constitution defines the President of Iran as the highest state authority.[171][173] The President is elected by universal suffrage for a term of four years and can only be re-elected for one term.[173] Presidential candidates must be approved by the Guardian Council prior to running in order to ensure their allegiance to the ideals of the Islamic revolution.[174]" '
And:
"The President is responsible for the implementation of the Constitution and for the exercise of executive powers, except for matters directly related to the Supreme Leader, WHO HAS THE FINAL SAY IN ALL MATTERS."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran#Government_and_politics

In short, Ahmadinejad may well be a yapping dog, but he yaps what he's told to yap, and has no teeth at all. And he gets replaced frequently. He's about as much threat as your neighbor threatening you with a picture of a pit bull.
 matchlight
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Posted: 11/12/2011 10:54:13 AM
The US CAUSED AND FUNDED islamic extremism in Afghanistan.


Did you get that slander against America from one of the usual sources like the Daily Kos, or MediaMatters? Or is it your own invention? In either case, it's far from the truth.

In 1977, Afghanistan adopted a new constitution which made Daud Khan, the former king's cousin, the country's president and brought some of his royal relatives to power. In 1978, resentment of this led to a coup by radicals that overthrew the Khan government. It's not clear what role, if any, Moscow played in this. The leftist Khalq and Parcham parties, led by Nur Taraki and Hafizullah Amin, took power.

The new socialist leadership--against Moscow's advice to go slowly--pushed hard for land reform and women's rights. This soon caused the backlash by Muslim fundamentalists that the Soviets had feared. In March, 1979, a fundamentalist group declared jihad on the godless Taraki/Amin regime. That same month, at least 100 Soviet citizens living in northern Afghanistan were murdered.

At the end of 1979, after Taraki and Amin had turned on each other and all order in Afghanistan had collapsed, the USSR decided to intervene. It quickly installed Babrak Karmal, a Parcham party leader who had fled to Moscow, as its puppet ruler. It wasn't until well after this that the U.S. began to help the jihadists resist the Soviet forces. We had a common interest--in the early 1980's the USSR was still this country's most dangerous adversary, by far.

It wasn't until 1985--more than five years after the Soviet invasion--that seven guerilla groups met in Peshawar, Pakistan and formed the Islami Itehad Afghani Mujaheddin, or Islamic Unity of Holy Warriors.


Israel and its Synagogue of Satan


I wouldn't take that phrase as a slur against Judaism--with the word "Israel" attached to cover it--but I think a lot of people might.
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 11/12/2011 11:42:24 AM
And onward from 1985, a convenient place to stop btw...

http://www.cdi.org/terrorism/afghanistan-history-pr.cfm


From the Soviet invasion onward, the United States sought ways to back the anti-Soviet forces. By 1983, the CIA was purchasing assault rifles, grenade launchers, mines, and SA-7 light antiaircraft weapons, totaling 10,000 tons, mainly from China. The Reagan administration had them shipped to Pakistan, a country that at the time was working closely with Washington.

Then, in a move that marked a turning point in the relentless war, in 1985, President Ronald Reagan made a secret decision to escalate covert support to the mujahidin. Soon after, the CIA began to supply an extensive array of intelligence, military expertise and advanced weapons to the Muslim rebel forces. They included satellite reconnaissance data of Soviet targets in Afghanistan; Soviet plans for military operations based on satellite intelligence and intercepts of Soviet communications; covert communication technology for the rebels; detonating devices for tons of C-4 explosives for urban targets; long-range sniper rifles; a targeting system linked to a U.S. Navy satellite; and wire-guided anti-tank missiles.1 Furthermore, amidst intensifying debate within the CIA over the extent of U.S. involvement in the war, Reagan made the decision to equip the mujahidin with sophisticated U.S.-made Stinger antiaircraft missiles. American-trained Pakistani officers were sent to Afghanistan to set up a secret mujahidin Stinger training facility, which was complete with a U.S.-made electronic simulator. By 1987, the CIA was sending a steady supply of 65,000 tons of arms to the mujahidin.

While it funneled equipment, intelligence and money to the mujahidin, Washington maintained its armchair supervisory role in the war by entrusting Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI) to handle direct contact, operations with, and training of the mujahidin. In all, the United States provided over $2 billion in weapons and money to seven Islamic mujahidin factions in the 1980s, making this last Cold War battle the largest covert action program since World War II.2

Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev announced the withdrawal of Soviet troops in 1988. With the Soviets out of the picture, however, the victorious mujahidin focused next on fighting the Afghan "puppet government" now headed by Mohammad Najibullah, who had replaced Karmal in 1986. Najibullah fell from power when the mujahidin finally captured Kabul in the spring of 1992. But the guerrilla factions proved unable to unite, and began another arduous power struggle amongst themselves. Afghanistan thus became a fragmented country of several independent zones, each ruled by different warlords. These political divisions exacerbated the schism already present between Sunni and Shiite Muslims, and between the many tribal and ethnic groups that reside in the country.


Backfiring of U.S. Policy

Then emerged the Taliban. They came together in Pakistan in late 1994 as a militia of Pashtun Islamic fundamentalist students. These students had received training in Pakistan's religious schools attended by refugee men who had formerly fought as the CIA-backed mujahidin. Indeed, a man who played a significant role in the advent and growth of the Taliban movement was Mullah Mohammed Omar, the current chief of the Taliban and former fighter under a CIA-trained commander. Garnering power and support during a peak of political fractiousness, the Taliban captured Kabul in 1996, declaring themselves the legitimate government of Afghanistan.

They appealed to many Afghans with their promises of peaceful rule. As a result, some of the people trained under CIA command in the 1980s turned into loyal fighters for the Taliban. Armed and inflamed by religious zeal, the Taliban spread throughout Afghanistan declaring to end the civil war, corruption and lawlessness. As they rose in popularity among other Pashtun Afghans, they also intensified in violence that displayed their Islamic extremism. The training grounds that the CIA maintained and operated during the anti-Soviet war soon became camps and safe havens for militant terrorists, among whom was Osama bin Laden. Indeed, when the U.S. launched cruise missile attacks at a camp near Khost in 1998, it was discovered that the training camps were being occupied by Pakistani military intelligence to train the Harakat-ul-Ansar, an Islamic guerrilla organization identified as a terrorist group by the U.S. State Department.

By the time the world recognized the oppressive nature of the Taliban, both the United States and the United Nations had long ceased taking interest in Afghanistan. U.S. economic and military assistance to Afghanistan decreased dramatically after 1989, and no provisions were made for rebuilding the nation, demobilizing fighters or organizing relief aid. When the mujahidin took over Kabul in 1992, the UN Development Program (UNDP) in Afghanistan relocated to Pakistan, annulling what minimal rehabilitation assistance the agency had planned. The leadership vacuum facilitated the growth of the Taliban, who continued to recruit men from both its own ideological circles and from mujahidin factions throughout the late 1990s.3 Today, they rule more than 90 percent of the country, imposing on the Afghan people their rigid Islamic laws, edicts that are regarded internationally as blatant violations of human rights.

And, ultimately, the destructive persistence of the Taliban, the group's link with bin Laden, and the consequences of its extremist rule became part of American history on Sept. 11.
 JustDukky
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Posted: 11/12/2011 1:07:06 PM
Slander against America? How is that slander? It's just a simple statement of fact. Where did you get your "history" from? Wikipedia?
http://www.scribd.com/doc/12834177/How-Jimmy-Carter-and-I-Started-the-Mujahideen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYvO3qAlyTg

I wouldn't take that phrase as a slur against Judaism--with the word "Israel" attached to cover it--but I think a lot of people might.

Good for them.
 matchlight
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Posted: 11/12/2011 3:12:45 PM

Slander against America? How is that slander?


You claimed the U.S. "caused . . . islamic extremism in Afghanistan." That statement is false. I cited detailed information which shows that Islamic extremism burst out there in reaction to a 1978 leftist coup, before the Soviet invasion, and well before any U.S. involvement.


Where did you get your "history" from? Wikipedia?


No, I'm happy to leave that kind of "scholarship" to you. You deride the facts I described, and yet you can't provide specific information that disputes them.


Good for them.


Thank you for confirming your prejudice.
 JustDukky
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Posted: 11/12/2011 4:28:28 PM
Well, let's see…Daud Khan wasn't an islamic extremist…Nur Taraki wasn't an islamic extremist…Hafizullah Amin wasn't an islamic extremist…

In March, 1979, a fundamentalist group declared jihad on the godless Taraki/Amin regime.

Thanks to Saudi Arabia exporting Wahhabiism, a sunni brand of Islamic extremism that has committed atrocities against other muslim sects, such as as the relatively peaceful Shia's in Iran & elsewhere and considering the close and cordial relations between Saudi Arabia and the US, I find it hard to believe that the exporting of Wahhabiism to Afghanistan and Pakistan didn't occur without at least the blessing, if not the encouragement of the US.

Be that as it may, 4 months after the fundies declared jihad and before the Soviet intervention, Brezinski was in Afghanistan trying to fan the flames of islamic extremism. I find it VERY hard to believe that he hadn't already been working in the background to get his "ducks in a row", probably in conjunction with the CIA and Saudi Arabia for some time before that. In case you missed them the first time I posted:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/12834177/How-Jimmy-Carter-and-I-Started-the-Mujahideen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYvO3qAlyTg


Thank you for confirming your prejudice.

How did I do that?
 SweetLilGTP
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Posted: 11/13/2011 2:05:55 AM
I have enough to deal with, that I don't need that garbage.




Amen lady.
 DameWrite
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Posted: 11/14/2011 11:13:19 PM
I'm more afraid of Isreal and the U.S. using or allowing nukes or dirty bombs against Iran. (all bombs are dirty). Zionists, fundamentalists, power freaks and war mongers are crazy. I don't trust crazy. Watch our bloody prime minister Harper back this stupid oil game and give his christian f'in blessing to this b.s. Iran is being set up. I'm not a fan of Iran's policy's... but I smell greed, and it stinks. Next stop...not Canada, we already sold out, without a fight. They/we want oil and a pipeline, slaves and heroine.
 Earthpuppy
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Posted: 11/15/2011 2:48:31 AM
Creative historians and cafeteria constitutionalistas will always try to lay blame on some regime prior or post Reagan in re-writing history. They will blame Carter for causing "extremism" in Afghanistan, while praising Reagan for defeating the Soviets there via funding of "freedom fighters". Afghans have a long history of repelling azzholes from Alexander the Great, to Genghis Khan, the Brits, Soviets and Bush the Dumber. What we call extremism, the Afghans might call resolve.

It was only a handful of our former CIA funded buds who allegedly carried out our PNAC "new Reighstag Fire", not the nation of Afghanistan. We funded the people who eventually turned against us in the Caspian Sea Pipeline hissy fit. The "islamic extremists" of 79 were not the same as the alleged hijackers of 2001.

Where the Soviets fiercly debated jumping into the Afghan hornets nest, Bush the Dumber and the PNAC crowd threw caution and sanity into the wind. Their heirs on the far right in the US are targeting Iran with the same carelessness, same villification and lies, and for the same reason, The Great Game. We would not care about Iran if it were not for the oil.
 OMG!WTF!
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Posted: 11/15/2011 3:27:04 AM
Here's an article about the Son of the founder of Hamas. This kid was hucking bombs at Israelis until he was 18. Then he was arrested, spent a few years in jail with his Hamas buddies, realized they were all nuts and became an Israeli spy going so far as to turn his own father in. This guy, if anyone, should have a fairly decent view of who's crazy, who started it, what caused it and where it's all going.

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/Life+israel+unlikeliest/5700727/story.html

Just read this bit....


"These words I am giving you with lots of pain," he says. "Because this is the painful truth. Most of the fundamental issues that we face as Arab nations are connected to one thing, that is the absolute control of religion over people's lives."

"I take a stand against Islam," he adds. "There is no way, trust me, to moderate Islam, to neutralize it, to make it fit into this new world that we live in. Unfortunately, Islam has a whole system that does not believe in separation between state and church; that does not believe in coexistence with anybody who does not believe in the theology of Islam. In fact, it does not have any harmony within the religion itself."


I don't think the CIA can create the kind of crazy being dealt on a daily basis in middle eastern countries. They may have inbounded the ball but someone else has been running with it for a while.


We would not care about Iran if it were not for the oil


We've got much more oil than they do. We'll build you a pipeline for free. Actually we'll pay to to take our oil. How come you're not thinking about nuking us? Or should I keep my mouth shut. Have I said too much?
 Tah,
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Posted: 11/15/2011 4:23:41 AM
You left the juicy bits out of that article, the bit where it says he's an evangelical christian.




An evangelical Christian, who moved to California and obtained political asylum in the United States when his links with Shin Bet were made public, Mr. Yousef surrounds himself with secrecy and security.


Isn't the evangelical christians dead against evelution taught in schools and homosexuality?

But the guys goes on with his properganda



We are talking about a small nation that suffered from persecution. The Holocaust killed six million Jewish people, but this nation did not seek revenge. For many years it was focusing only on surviving, moving on and seeking life over death. This is why Israel is a prosperous country


now that is simply just not true....Isreal has committed many attrociities since 1947...not that i am saying she is to blame, just maiking the point this christian fundementalist your quoting to try and denigrate islam, is full of crap.

I wonder why people nered to use such properganda?
 OMG!WTF!
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Posted: 11/15/2011 6:22:22 AM

Isn't the evangelical christians dead against evelution taught in schools and homosexuality?


Not sure about "evelution" but if you're gay in Iran you have a choice of getting a sex change operation or being executed. The good news is that Iran is a wonderful place with no such thing as AIDS.


just maiking the point this christian fundementalist your quoting to try and denigrate islam, is full of crap


Oh, I'm not trying to "denigrate" Islam. Nor am I suggesting Christianity is wonderful. What I'm saying is that the craziness in the middle east is not so much invented or imagined by the west as it is fully and completely created by religion and its nutty followers. This guy has been on both sides, has seen both sides from the inside. This is his opinion, one that seems more qualified than those of us who have watched tv, deemed it propaganda, and think that we all know what's really going on in countries we can only imagine.
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